The people have a right to know...

Robin Brownlee
October 19 2008 07:58PM

There's been an uproar rippling through the Oilogosphere since Dave Berry of the website Covered in Oil was caught contravening the Edmonton Oilers policy on live blogging by media relations staff at the season opener with Colorado at Rexall Place Oct 12.

After being told to stop and being warned his press credentials could be lifted—he was working for a mainstream media outlet (Sportsticker)—Berry gave his account of events on CIO and made it clear he thought he'd been dealt with in a heavy-handed manner.

Berry accused the Oilers of favouritism and applying a double-standard, citing examples where OilersNation had done live blogs from Rexall Place without repercussions and had people with mainstream media credentials blogging—Jason Gregor and I were named.

In the wake of the fuss, I was asked by one of the partners who started OilersNation if I'd be interested in offering my take. A number of readers of this website also asked for my two cents.

Here it is...

Double standard?

As far as this specific incident goes, Berry is mistaken if he's saying I've blogged live from Rexall Place. Not true. Hasn't happened. I know Gregor did some live stuff during training camp and pre-season and has since been informed it's a no-no.

The Oilers have agreements in place that ensure certain rights holders get first crack at events as they unfold live. That's what rights holders pay for. The Oilers are well within their rights to insist rules regarding no live blogging be followed.

As a contributor to the Canadian Press, Team 1260 and Metro Edmonton, I'm accredited with the Oilers through the first two outlets. I've used quotes from players and coaches for items I've written for OilersNation, but I've never broken the live-blogging policy.

By the way, the majority of the quotes I use are from media scrums with players and coach Craig MacTavish and are available on the Oilers website within an hour or two after morning practice.

This isn't a case of two OilersNation writers getting favourable treatment in the form of press passes while other bloggers are denied the same courtesy. Gregor and I are accredited MSM guys who happen to contribute to a website.

No cheering in the press box

David Staples at The Cult of Hockey in The Journal suggests the Oilers, all NHL teams for that matter, should recognize the ever-expanding impact of the internet and embrace bloggers.

I tend to agree, but it shouldn't be a one-way street. The Oilers are running a business and selling a product. They decide who gets press credentials based on standards they set. Maybe anything goes on the internet, but that doesn't and shouldn't hold true for those entering Rexall Place through the press gate.

If you want to start a website and write whatever you want without signing your name to it, have at it. If you want to see how many times you can drop the f-bomb in a single paragraph, do it until you're blue in the face. If your idea of blogging about the Oilers is to write about which players you’d most like to see naked, knock yourself out.

Just don't expect JJ Hebert to issue you a pass and save you a chair alongside Terry Jones or Dan Barnes in the rink. And don't shout indignantly about being discriminated against when he doesn't.

It works both ways

There are conventions and a code of professional conduct that members of the MSM are expected to adhere to, and they should apply to bloggers seeking access by way of credentials.

You don't cheer in the press box. You don't show up at the rink wearing an Oilers jersey—any jersey. You don't try to take photos of players exiting the shower on your cell phone because your site is "Hunky Oil."

You don't ask Ethan Moreau to sign a hat for you in a post-game scrum. You don't tell MacT to "Gimme five" when he enters the press conference room after a big win. Bad form. If you think that's a big, "Well, duh," rest assured, these kinds of things happen.

Always, of course, there's a question of content.

Contrary to what some MSM critics say, the Oilers don't have Hebert and his staff dictating what does and doesn't go in the newspapers and on the air. They don't tell anybody what to write.

A particularly critical column or a story that puts the team in a less-than-positive light might earn you a sideways glance from a coach or a player, but I haven't seen it go much further than that.

In any case, if you're going to snipe away relentlessly, then you'd better be prepared to back up what you say or write. Beat writers and, to a lesser extent, columnists are in the rink day in and day out and if they've written "MacT is a bozo" in Wednesday's editions, they better be there Thursday morning so he can have his say.

On the flipside, if all you want to do is cheer for the Oilers and re-affirm paragraph after paragraph that "Calgary Sucks" and Dion Phaneuf dresses funny, tap away. Just don't show up at the press gate.

PR staffs of all NHL teams follow what's written on the internet and it would probably be fair if Darryl Sutter inquired with Kevin Lowe or Steve Tambellini why their staff is accrediting a writer who just penned a seven-part series titled "Why Robyn Regehr Is An A**hole."

The good, the bad and the ugly

Here's some examples of items—I'm using excerpts from Covered in Oil but you can find similar stuff on any number of websites—you won't see on sites run by The Journal, TSN, Sportsnet or MSM outlets.

If any of this was written by a member of the MSM, I doubt they'd have their credentials very long.

During pre-season:

"The Oilers' first pre-season game against the piece-of-shit Canucks is tonight! Break out the popcorn and Jack Daniels because it's being webcast on the Oilers' site, too. As much as I like to rail against the team's shameless plays for tax money and the general smarminess of Patrick LaForge, I have to give the team credit for recognizing fan interest in the preseason and providing the free webcasts. It's especially nice for a dude 3,000km away."

Pre-season entries vs. Florida:

"7:57 pm: If I spit on someone, do you think I could get away with blaming Jim Matheson?" "8:19 pm: I want to have sex with one of Ales Hemsky's passes. He just about put it through the legs of both a Panther and Shawn Horcoff to Visnovsky." "9:02 pm: Whoever the hell is the band that decided to cover "Message in a Bottle" should immediately be put to death by getting strangled with guitar strings. Douche bags."

On Jarret Stoll:

"Anyway, you have to wonder what, if anything, LA GM Dean Lombardi is thinking here, throwing Jeff Finger money at a dude who spent most of last year putting his skates on the wrong foot and trying to order hot dogs from the bench, or whatever the fuck it was Stoll was doing to manage a whopping 15 points at even strength last year."

There's a lot of insightful, witty, biting, edgy and laugh-out-loud stuff on the internet, and much of it is being written by bloggers without any journalism training and without the benefit of a press pass. Some bloggers have no interest in having one and bumping up to the MSM that closely. Others want credentials and should get them. In the end, though, the Oilers have the right to make that call.

—Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6pm on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on Team 1260.

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#51 GreaseTrap
October 20 2008, 01:26PM
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For reals, Shawn Mullin

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#52 Paulus
October 20 2008, 01:31PM
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All I've taken from this entire situation is that most Oiler fans online are stubbornly ignorant douchenozzles.

Pretty well as expected, unfortunately.

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#53 Rick
October 20 2008, 01:34PM
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Dookie2K; I am aware of what the difference is, I just don't see it being significant enough to discredit the hypocritical nature of Greg Wyshynski's comment.

By using the picture he clearly is not objecting to tone of it and it is his use of it that should eb reason enough to mute his so called surprise or outrage of Brownlee's example. Like I said it's not that the two situations are identical it's just that it doesn't seem like such big leap from one to the other.

No matter who took it or where he got it from.

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#54 Antony Ta
October 20 2008, 01:40PM
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Fair enough, Mr. B.

Wanye has a point when he says the whole divide-and-conquer thing seems to be setting into this fiasco.

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#55 Vic Ferrari
October 20 2008, 01:55PM
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I'm really surprised that there are so many different opinions on the subject.

Personally, I'm an Oilers fan and I'm disappointed with the way that they handled this. It was clearly an attempt to bully Dave Berry. And I think that for a lot of Oiler fans, this sort of thing isn't particularly surprising, and that's unfortunate.

And enquiring minds probably want to know how Brownlee knew who Dave was working for (SportsTicker), and since he seems to have inside information, why he chose not to reveal the names of the Oilers PR men whose actions are in question here. That's a fair question, no?

Robin has taken a leap of faith here, and intuitively I thought he would have been on his own. But clearly other bright people (Surshot, Doogie2k, A.Milli, Pete, Jonathon and Rick) are in full agreement, jumping right with him. Personally, the cats that stuck on this side of the chasm are the folks I read anyways, so it doesn't matter much to me. Interesting stuff though.

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#56 RobinB
October 20 2008, 01:58PM
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Anthony: I don't know how the blogger was treated by Oilers PR staff that night because I didn't see it first-hand. Both sides, obviously, have their versions of what went down.

As has been pointed out, members of the media have issues with the Oilers PR staff from time to time, and that's the case with every NHL team. It's part of the job and the interaction that takes place. They have rules and expectations. We have jobs to do.

As chapter chairman of the PHWA in Edmonton in past seasons, I've been in the middle of those scrapes many times on behalf of writers over access to players, making sure the dressing room is open after the game within the prescribed time, etc etc.

While I'm not all that familiar with Berry's work, I'd hate to think a disagreement with a member of the media relations staff would lead him to quit blogging. That seems like an over-reaction and very thin-skinned coming from someone who, from what little I've read on CIO, writes with a robust, in-your-face edge to his work.

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#57 Dare
October 20 2008, 02:02PM
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Is there some imaginary line in your mind that gets crossed between using pictures of guys coming out of the shower and just guys laying around in their underwear like the one of Mike Commodore that you currently have up on your Blog? As unrealistic as Brownlee’s example may be, I am not seeing a huge leap bewteen what he wrote and what you actually did.

You mean the picture that was taken from a public Facebook album? I don't know about you, but I see a huge difference between using a press pass to covertly take a cell phone picture of a player coming out of the shower and re-posting something that has already been posted, and posted *publicly*.

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#58 Tikked
October 20 2008, 02:06PM
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Brownlee says:

"If you want to start a website and write whatever you want without signing your name to it, have at it. If you want to see how many times you can drop the f-bomb in a single paragraph, do it until you’re blue in the face. If your idea of blogging about the Oilers is to write about which players you’d most like to see naked, knock yourself out.

Just don’t expect JJ Hebert to issue you a pass and save you a chair alongside Terry Jones or Dan Barnes in the rink. And don’t shout indignantly about being discriminated against when he doesn’t."

By that logic the Oilers should never be chided for revoking a press pass as long as they are doing so to control the content of what goes out on blogs and in articles.

Hahahahahaha!

If that's true then anyone who still holds a press pass has never written anything the Oilers organization didn't like. (Are all sperts media people just shills, then?)

By the way, ff the oilers dislike something because it contains too many swear words, or is too crass, or because it's too critical of a players play makes no difference.

If you'd written something crass, you'd never have been held to the same standard and you know it.

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#59 Vic Ferrari
October 20 2008, 02:07PM
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Apologies in advance for going on a tangent.

Brownlee said: By the way, the majority of the quotes I use are from media scrums with players and coach Craig MacTavish and are available on the Oilers website within an hour or two after morning practice.

This is true. And since I realized this some time ago, I haven't read the papers. Most of the writers in Edmonton don't grab onto the quotes that I find interesting. I would imagine that the same applies in other cities, though I don't know.

In any case, that information is available to anyone with an internet connection, and in my opinion it kicks the pants off of anything else that is available, or ever has been.

And when was the last time (since Hull retired) that a player made an insightful, relevant quote in a post game interview?

So I have to wonder aloud, what is the real value of a beat reporter nowadays? I think it would be better if reporters weren't asking questions at all, or maybe just one designated guy was, and mostly that the coaches just let loose with a 10 minute stream of consciousness for the podcast.

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#60 GreaseTrap
October 20 2008, 02:08PM
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"I’d hate to think a disagreement with a member of the media relations staff would lead him to quit blogging."

Referencing back to the original post, it didn't.

It was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

Nothing is ever written in stone, and those who do want to read more of Berry's work are free to do so in the pages of VueWeekly, print or online.

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#61 GreaseTrap
October 20 2008, 02:17PM
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Not that I think this issue will make onto the radio today, but if it does...

Well, let's just say everyone has had to nod and smile to their boss more than once.

I can't blame people who are trying to put food on the table, sometimes the truth has to be stretched. Don't hate the player, it's just a game.

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#62 RobinB
October 20 2008, 02:22PM
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Vic: You make a good point regarding the blandness of quotes.

Twenty years ago, the beat men would wander into the dressing room before practice and shoot the breeze with players. Often it was just casual conversation, but there was also on opportunity to do an interview and pursue an angle or line of questioning that was your own. Likewise, if you hung around after the game/practice long enough, you could get something specific that nobody else had.

The routine now -- and it's the same across the NHL -- is that access is far more limited and controlled. Two or three players at a time are brought out and face a flock of reporters and cameras. Everybody gets much the same stuff. When they've addressed the horde, they're done. It's frowned upon if you try to pull a player aside after he's just stood in a scrum for 10 minutes so you can get something nobody else has. Senior guys who the player knows and trusts might get an occasional one-one-one, but it's hit and miss.

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#63 Pension Plan Puppets
October 20 2008, 02:23PM
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@ Shawn Mullin: Thank you for understanding that it's not bloggers v. MSM as Robin would like everyone to believe. It's about a decent human being treated like shit by a large corporation.

@ Paulus: You're projecting.

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#64 Doogie2K
October 20 2008, 02:27PM
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@Vic: I'm not sure why there needs to be a chasm in the first place. I think you can criticize Dave for writing unprofessionally while a guest of the Oilers, while also criticizing the Oilers for treating said guest like gum on the bottom of their shoes. I don't think that particular aspect of it needs to necessarily be black or white.

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#65 Tyler
October 20 2008, 02:28PM
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The routine now — and it’s the same across the NHL — is that access is far more limited and controlled. Two or three players at a time are brought out and face a flock of reporters and cameras. Everybody gets much the same stuff.

Is this with practice or just after games Robin? I've always wondered why the beat guys seem to have variants of the same story with the same guy each day.

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#66 Tyler
October 20 2008, 02:30PM
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And Vic - obviously you're right and it's mostly blather but I really am partial to Horcoff's post G7 quote in 2006, when he said "It's like everything you feared rushing right at you." I just thought that was such a great description of what it feels like to lose a game like that.

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#67 RobinB
October 20 2008, 02:39PM
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Tyler: It's a combination. Often, the best story based on what's been going on with the team is obvious and reporters end up talking to the players involved with that angle. You don't pass over the best story just because somebody else is doing it, too.

Other times, duplication results for no other reason than limited access.

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#68 Vic Ferrari
October 20 2008, 02:41PM
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Robin said: "You make a good point regarding the blandness of quotes"

Yeah, Berry had a great comment on the subject during a preseason game against the Panthers.

From Covered In Oil: 8:39 pm: Schremp doing the between-periods interview. Seems as though he's been pretty thoroughly Nuked: not a word that wasn't boring and lifeless. Ah, pro sports, you thought-killing, vaguely fascist institution.

Both funny and true methinks.

And props to Dave for deciding to spend his time on things that are more important in life that pro hockey. I wish that I could kick this addiction.

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#69 Cam
October 20 2008, 02:46PM
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Ummm... Wow!

I came on here because I was so pumped about the Oil being 4-0 to start the season that I had to share my joy, and I find this epic battle of the bloggers taking place.

What's more surprising is that I read all of it because I was fascinated by how worked up everyone was.

I think this is much like having people over to your house on a Sunday afternoon for Turkey when you had a bender the night before. You are tired and cranky (like the PR guy by the sound of it), and everything is kinda getting on your nerves.

You have rules in your house and normally if your brother in law (lets say) breaks one of the rules you just let them know about it and it's done, but this time you overreact and you kick your brother in law out of your house and tell him not to come back.

OK... it's my house and I have the right to kick him out... just like the Oilers did to Dave.

After my head clears I feel like an ass, though. Now my wife is pissed at me and I don't think watching the game with my brother in law is going to be quite as fun in the future. I had the right, but I still relent.

My Brother in Law is always gonna remember that and be hurt by what I did... even if I had the right to do it.

the only difference is that the PR guy doesn't have to sleep on the couch for a week... or maybe he does...

But who CARES because the Oilers are 4-0 right now. GO OILERS... now can all you guys quit fascinating me with your fighting and start talking hockey again. Thanks.

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#70 Slipper
October 20 2008, 02:58PM
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All the cherry picking of quotes off of CinO has lead me to one conclusion: Dave Berry is absolutely fucking hilarious.

He's the same guy who during the Oilogosphere Hot-Off posted a picture of himself naked with only like an Oilers hat or toque covering his junk, right?

He'll be sorely missed.

I don't think the same could be said if one or five of the local beat writers decided to up and quit.

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#71 Vic Ferrari
October 20 2008, 03:34PM
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Tyler

Yeah, I never heard that Horcoff quote, but it is gold.

Moreau is an interview that is probably bland to some, but I find him really insightful. He's unflappable and usually hits the nail squarely on the head I think. Pronger and Stoll were good too. Beyond that player interviews just don't hold much interest for me.

The Oilers seem to be promoting the personal lives of the players a lot, but that just doesn't matter to me a bit.

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#72 Jonathan Willis
October 20 2008, 04:13PM
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@Vic: I’m not sure why there needs to be a chasm in the first place. I think you can criticize Dave for writing unprofessionally while a guest of the Oilers, while also criticizing the Oilers for treating said guest like gum on the bottom of their shoes. I don’t think that particular aspect of it needs to necessarily be black or white.

That's basically my feeling too. I really, really don't like what the Oilers organization did, but at the same time, I don't like the "we're 100% right, they're 100% wrong" approach being taken by most of the initial commentary. One of my deep personal character flaws is that I'm a contrarian, and because of that, I can see why some PR guy at the Oilers would take a chance to jab a little, however wrong it was.

About the post-game interviews:

I've had the same thought as Vic a bunch of times, and I completely agree. It's just as easy to sift through the stuff online as it is through the papers, and only one of those avenues gives you most of what is said.

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#73 Shawn Mullin
October 20 2008, 04:53PM
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PPP: That is what my understanding of the issue was... but I'm not going to stay definitively one way or the other if he was treated poorly. That's just one man's account and the Oilers PR folks are always very friendly and generous with me so it's hard to believe they were as rude as the article makes them out to be.

But who knows, they very well could've been.

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#74 Shawn Mullin
October 20 2008, 04:53PM
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say not stay

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#75 Doogie2K
October 20 2008, 04:58PM
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I really am partial to Horcoff’s post G7 quote in 2006, when he said “It’s like everything you feared rushing right at you.”

I was wondering who said that. Excellent line.

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#76 David S
October 20 2008, 06:56PM
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Doogie gets it here. And Staples, Brownlee and Gregor have put some meat on the matter too. Far as I can see, the issue of "he coulda been posting anywheres" doesn't hold because he WAS posting in the Oiler's PB. Doing so contravened existing protocols (whether we agree with them or not), although to be fair, those protocols were not explained beforehand.

As much as anybody on here, I hate the fact that news about the team is "sanitized for your protection". But I can't help but wonder how a simple 2-minute conversation could have avoided this whole mess...

Oil MIB: "Mr Berry, we're going to have to ask you to stop live posting as it's against our policy. There are paid agreements in place that give sole rights to others regarding broadcasting during the game."

DB: "Sorry man. I wasn't aware. Thanks for informing me. I'll shut 'er down right now and remove the post."

Oil MIB: "Well, we're in the midst of clarifying that policy, but thanks anyway for trying to see our position here".

DB: "Blog post wiped". We cool here?"

Oil MIB: "Yeah. We're cool."

DB: "Got any more of those ice cream sandwiches?"

Oil MIB: "Don't push it Berry. Jones has got dibs on those things."

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#77 RobinB
October 20 2008, 07:16PM
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David S: Makes way too much sense.

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#78 Bob
October 20 2008, 07:47PM
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Hi Robin,

I totally agree with you, why would the Oilers invite someone to their pressbox to write unflattering commentary. It's their pressbox and they get to choose who to invite.

The Oilers did not sue anybody to prevent them from ranting and raving, they just said "not from here buddy". I am ok with that.

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#79 danaj
October 20 2008, 09:23PM
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Staples points out the actual issue and it only took some 50 comments to get to it. There's nothing to debate unless you decide to follow the tangents (Oilers strongarm people & character assassination of bloggers) and both of those are pretty worthless.

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#80 Vic Ferrari
October 20 2008, 10:36PM
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This David Stapells guy misses the point entirely.

Dave Berry seems like a good guy, just walking around nice, that's to his credit. If someone with a rougher demeanour had been sitting next to Dave at the time, as his guest, would J.J. Hebert or Allan Watt have handled it the same way?

The correct answer is: Of course not. Look at them for crying out loud, no way in hell.

And that's why it's bullying. The worst kind of it.

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#81 Robert
October 20 2008, 11:07PM
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Firstly, there are some great bloggers out there who do a great job and have a greater attention to detail than the legit media.

So, Jake Daniels, while he doesn't have a blog, outside of swearing, has contravined the code of conduct you mentioned in your blog pretty much most days on the radio. One can say is schtick, but no more schtick than some mindless blogger looking for attention. Question, should Jake have press creditionals based on his actions at the rink and on the air in the past?

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#82 Vic Ferrari
October 21 2008, 12:38AM
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Ah, finally, superjournalist David Staples weighs in with an opinion. Is there no boot that doesn't draw your tongue, wee David?

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#83 TerryM
October 21 2008, 07:03AM
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Wow, didn't realize the "epic" battle happening. I was busy enjoying the start of the season. So let me get this straight:

Some dude gets invited into a +$100M home. Dude proceeds to crap in the bed of the +$100M home. The staff gets pissed, kicks Dude out. The next day, the staff cool down and invites Dude back with a reminder not to crap in the bed. Dude decides to change his hobby.

Am I missing anything here?

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#84 rock
October 21 2008, 08:21AM
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Vick... Dave Berry is the worst kind of asshole. He's the guy who does something as completely fucked up and stupid as posting insulting material on his blog while using a press pass given for a completely different reason.

Then he has the nerve to cry about it on the internet, fudge the story to make him sound like he was a jew in Nazi Germany and attempting to rally the cause of all the oilogosphere who chomp at the bit for this type of news.

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#85 Rick
October 21 2008, 08:53AM
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Vic Ferrari Says: October 21st, 2008 at 12:38 am Ah, finally, superjournalist David Staples weighs in with an opinion. Is there no boot that doesn’t draw your tongue, wee David?

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I think that there are more than a few of us that are not at all familiar with Dave Berry and were looking for the other side of the story to find some balance.

It seems like a good piece from Staples that served just that purpose even if you don't like the answers provided.

Besides considering he is a blogger as well, why shouldn't he be entitled to comment on it?

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#86 George B
October 21 2008, 11:02AM
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As a new blogger, I fully agree with Brownlee.

I would not expect any type of credentials as a blogger. When there is blogging, there is a lack of controls.

As for the way Dave was treated, I am sure that the story has modicums of truth on either side. The purpose for backtrack is more likely that they want to keep the peace more than an admission of guilt.

Dave is entertaining, and a decent read, but you have to expect when you write on the edge, the team isn't exactly going to go out of their way to do you any favours.

Is it worth quitting on a pass time and the team? Probably not. But that is his choice, and all the best to him.

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#87 Duncan Kinney
October 21 2008, 10:38PM
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Wow. You work for the Team 1260, you contribute to the Canadian Press (hahahahaha, big bucks eh) and you work for Metro. Congrats.

The fact that you go to the trouble to pick and choose snippets from Covered in Oil merely shows your mendacity.

The Oilers PR losers can pick and choose whomever they like to get a press pass. However your post buries a dude who was treated like shit. Bad form.

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#88 Greg Wyshynski
October 22 2008, 12:17PM
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@ Rick --

"Is there some imaginary line in your mind that gets crossed between using pictures of guys coming out of the shower and just guys laying around in their underwear like the one of Mike Commodore that you currently have up on your Blog?"

You see, the latter photo was placed on a publically accessible gallery on a Facebook page, originally thought to be by the professional athlete himself but later, through original reporting, it was discovered to be from one of his close friends. Strange as this may seem, it actually has news value.

"using pictures of guys coming out of the shower" would be using images captured by someone who is abusing both his or her own access to a professional locker room and that athlete's right to privacy. They did not place a photo of themselves coming out of the shower after the game on a Facebook page.

This is different than, say, Dustin Brown getting caught by a television camera undressing in the background after a Kings game, because that was a blooper rather than anything malicious.

So no, there's isn't "some imaginary line." There is actually a real line of journalistic value and good taste.

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#89 Vic Ferrari
October 22 2008, 03:05PM
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TerryM

You're missing the most important point of all!

Oilers Rock!!!11!11!!!!1!!

Let's all root, root, root for the home team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#90 Vic Ferrari
October 22 2008, 03:10PM
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rock,

Sensible people everywhere will ignore you.

The righteous will point out that you're so stupid you probably can't tie your own shoes.

Look out for this stuff, rock, it's happening all around you.

Just a word to the wise, that's all. God bless.

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#91 TCC#67 - We are all number sevens / The Crazy Canucks
October 30 2008, 01:27AM
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