It began with hand bells

Wanye
December 17 2008 10:00AM

Q: What is the worst Oilers game you have ever seen live?

A: December 16, 2008 -- 9-2 vs the Hawks. And this is amazing remembering we had season tickets with Grandma Gretz during the dark years. The really truly dark years circa 1992-1998. In those days the Oil would get blown out most nights. But to be fair they sucked.

These Oilers? We don't even know what they are anymore. We even felt for MacT after the game. There isn't a bag skate hard enough to fix this squad. If you're him and you've walked around the dressing room screaming and yelling, you have punched every Oiler directly in the face (Garon twice) then what? It doesn't really matter how the Oil bounce back tonight against the Canucks. The Oil need a heart transplant, mass firings, mass hirings, every single player mentally reprogrammed, a new arena, a new coach, a new GM, new training staff and a mascot.

You know what we love?

Being point night for the friggin' Chicago Blackhawks. Not the Red Wings. The Blackhawks. Not a team like San Jose filled with wily veterans and big ol' goons. The Blackhawks -- a fellow squad also filled with punk assed 19-to-21 year olds. Thing is, the punks in Hawks jerseys were laughing and celebrating after every goal like it was a WHL intrasquad scrimmage, while our little friends in Copper and Blue were thinking only of getting in to Diesel Ultra Lounge later in the night. 

Well done Oilers you have truly embarrassed yourselves. And on Handbell Anthem Night to boot.

To be fair

To be fair the first seven goals were suspect. Really they could have gone either way. Right.

To be fair most fans really aren't that upset this morning. See everyone had cleared the hell out of Dodge as soon as the 50-50 was announced. Like seriously everyone. And the millions watching at home were probably long gone by the time the score was in the books too. Only the JL kept 'er goin all night long. Bless their hearts.

To be fair Liam Reddox had an assist. You'll forgive us if we wouldn't give two shits if Liam Reddox woke up this morning and decided to never play another game of hockey ever again. There is nothing more heart breaking than listening to the remaining 45 per cent of the RX1 crowd cheering their hearts out for the 9-2 goal.

Only bright spots

The pictures from the game last night are pouring in from Citizens of the Nation. Apparently there were some folks that managed to keep their eyes open and dinners in their stomachs long enough to send their ol' pal Wanye some great snaps. Keep them comin' to oilersnation@gmail.com. We will have some up later in the day.

The most interesting thing on the whole night was finding out a friend of our co-worker once hooked up with 50 Cent.  Something about living in Washington and something something 50 Cent met her and bingo bango. Normally we would lead with news of this magnitude but today, well we just don't have it in us.

There. You finally broke us Oilers. Thanks.

Game tonight.

woo

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#1 Wanye Gretz
December 17 2008, 10:04AM
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I attended this game Wanye and also hated it from beginning to end. You are so wise and smart and

*shotgun blast*

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#2 RobinB
December 17 2008, 10:19AM
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@ Wanye Gretz: Best to re-load and try again, just to make sure . . .

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#3 Hoodlum
December 17 2008, 10:22AM
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I hope this will spark a fued between Vancouver and Chicago. I want to hear Quennville make a comment about Vancouver now having a turn at Chicago's "sloppy seconds" and hilarity will ensue, because we all need something to laugh at on this sombre morning. On the flipside, the Oilers should play a decent game tonight seeing as they haven't played since Saturday

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#4 Big Deal
December 17 2008, 10:22AM
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Wow, amazingly awful. Oddly, it was not the young players that looked the worst. Souray, Moreau, Horcoff, Hemsky,Cole, Staios (dear god) were terrible. Souray did a great screen on Garon on the first goal and Moreau did his best to out do Souray on the second. How about blocking shots or get out of the way? That PP is terrible and not just last night, the whole bloody season. MacT, time to make some changes because lord knows you are not going anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!

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#5 Red Tide
December 17 2008, 10:22AM
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I think I need to find better things to do with my time then follow this team. This is hopeless. Things is, it seems as though no matter how bad it gets the Oil brass wont make changes.

Why do we even care anymore? They dont seem to...

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#6 OvenChicken8
December 17 2008, 10:32AM
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For a brief second last night I cheered. It was for the Oilers second goal of the night, and I have never heard 1000 fans scream so loud! Then as quick as the goal was scored the cheering ended when we all looked up to the all mighty scoreboard and saw that it wasn't a 2-2 game, it was a 9-2 game. The last time I was this depressed over an Oilers game, Erik Cole had just won a Cup.

*sigh*

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#7 OvenChicken8
December 17 2008, 10:33AM
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Big Deal wrote:

, it was not the young players that looked the worst. Souray, Moreau, Horcoff, Hemsky,Cole, Staios (dear god) were terrible. Souray did a great screen on Garon on the first goal and Moreau did his best to out do Souray on the second. How about blocking shots or get out of the way? That PP is terrible and not just last night, the whole bloody season. MacT, time to make some changes because lord knows you are not going anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to love how Stortini, Pouliot and Reddox were a +1. + friggen 1!

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#8 Milli
December 17 2008, 10:37AM
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I don't even know who this friggin team is anymore...We got no sandpaper, none, zero, ziltch. We've got one guy who can score, one. Ya, occasionally someone else gets in on the act, but realy, we are a one pony show. (I ain't a schremp lover) but, he got sent down, probaly watched the next one coast around all night??? Why, dear god, why is Ganger still logging any minutes??? People want to crap all over Poo, well folks....Nuff said. I lost more money last night, got big money already on the game tonight, I'm gonna have to become a 3 dollar whore soon to pay my gambling debts. Fire MacT"? no, fire Klo, then MacT....

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#9 Lubo71
December 17 2008, 10:51AM
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Milli wrote:

Fire MacT”? no, fire Klo, then MacT….

Why can't he continue as President? It's seemingly harmless...

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#10 Milli
December 17 2008, 10:53AM
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@ Lubo71:

Are you serious?

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#11 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 11:05AM
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The curse of the retro-third jersey continues. Thank god they will be wearing them again on FRIDAY!!!

The new Oilers 3rd will be worn 14 times including the Home Opener against Colorado on October 12, against all of the original six team when they visit Rexall Place , the Glenn Anderson celebration on January 18th and for the Oilers annual ‘Shirts Off Our Backs” charity game December 19th.

What a gawd-awful game to attend, if it wasn't for the $50 of 50/50 tickets I would have been out of there early.

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#12 Lubo71
December 17 2008, 11:09AM
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Milli wrote:

@ Lubo71: Are you serious?

Dead serious. Perhaps we should look to the new GM who has yet to do anything since being hired. Lowe is becoming an ambassador for the team more than anything and I think he is fantastic in that capacity.

The problem is on the ice.

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#13 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 11:10AM
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Retro-Third Jersey Record 08/09 DATE OPPONENT NOTE Sunday, October 12 Colorado Avalanche Season Opener - Win Monday, October 27 Boston Bruins Original Six team - Loss Thursday, November 13 Toronto Maple Leafs Original Six team - Loss Thursday, November 20 Detroit Red Wings Original Six team - Loss Tuesday, December 16 Chicago Blackhawks Original Six team - Embarassing Loss Friday, December 19 Anaheim Ducks Shirts Off Our Backs Night Saturday, January 3 Dallas Stars CBC HNIC game Sunday, January 18 Phoenix Coyotes Glenn Anderson Jersey Retirement Tuesday, February 3 Chicago Blackhawks Original Six team Wednesdsay, February 11 Montreal Canadiens Original Six team Saturday, February 21 Calgary Flames Hockey Day In Canada Saturday, March 14 Colorado Avalanche CBC HNIC game Sunday, March 24 Detroit Red Wings Original Six team Saturday, April 4 Vancouver Canucks CBC HNIC game

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#14 Cam
December 17 2008, 11:13AM
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@Lubo71

No GM's have done anything around the league. It takes two to tango, and I am sure that Tambo has no desire to be fleeced for the sake of doing "something".

It is clear that something needs to be done, but it better be a smart move, not just a move done for the sake of doing something.

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#15 Lubo71
December 17 2008, 11:16AM
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@ Cam:

Part of me agrees with you. My original point to Milli was just that firing Lowe wouldn't be appropriate if we were looking for a fix on the ice.

But your point about no one doing anything is well taken. I bet the economy has more to do with that than any fan cares to consider. Trading away 3 million in salaries for a 7 million dollar player is probably not on too many GMs radar right now.

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#16 shakey
December 17 2008, 11:25AM
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The high-lite of the game for me was when I had to stop looking at the TV to change my daughters dirty diaper. Normally it is the worst thing I smell all day but thanks to Mac T's 'challenging for the division' Oilers it was a nice break from that crap on the ice. If there is a Mac T legacy it's that he has no clue how to achieve consistancy. How can the same team play so well one night and play the worst hockey in decades 3 nights later? We'll probably lose our next 3 or 4 and the 'heads will roll' talk will gain more speed then we will win a couple and all will be well again in OilerLand. Crap this team is frustrating!

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#17 Milli
December 17 2008, 11:26AM
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@ Lubo71: The problem is the team that Klo has compiled. What is there identity? Soft, slow, no hands??? 3 goalies. Letting GlennX, Reasoner and stolly go? Our PK is a discrace, well, guess who was at it last year???? We need a few less small forwards, we need desperatley some tem toughness and 1, just 1 guy with hands. These are Klo's responsibility (as he said when tambo was hired, he is still THE GUY).

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#18 Ryan
December 17 2008, 11:38AM
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Was at game last night. Wondering if anyone else noticed bickering between Cole and Nillson in warmup. At the beginning Nilsson fired puck at cole and he looked royally pissed and yelled something. Then at the end Cole pretty much threw a check at him and slashed his stick out of his hands. Not to mention that Cole and Garon looked completely disinterested last night. Maybe MacT hasn't lost the team, but it wouldn't surprise me if those two stopped listening...

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#19 Amber McCormick
December 17 2008, 11:38AM
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The only thing that made me smile last night, in any way, was a comment made during the commentary "Garon couldn't see it. The only thing he saw was Moreau's backside". I can think of worse things, I suppose. I just feel used and abandoned. Like a prom night dumpster baby.

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#20 Jason Gregor
December 17 2008, 11:40AM
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No boys...this is far from the worst game in Oiler history...Actually the best game in Oiler history came on Feb 12, 1984...The greatest song in sports history, THE BRASS BONANZA, rained down 11 times as my Hartford Whalers crushed the Oilers 11-0...Glen Sather was spitting teeth after that one...If you are a believer in history, three months later the Oilers won their first Stanley Cup. If it wasn't for my Whalers humiliating the Oilers who knows if they would have won their first Cup. They won eight straight after that crushing defeat, and went 18-4 in their final 22 games. Then they went 15-4 in the playoffs.

The true judge of this team's character will be how they respond tonight and for the next few months. We'll see if they have any sort of gonads tonight!!! Man I love the Brass Bonanza...IF you haven't heard it, tune in at exactly 3:01 today...because it will be played often....

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#21 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 11:46AM
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@ Jason Gregor:

I was thinking of you when Tencer & Corey mentioned this last night on way home from the debacle. Hartford...who woulda thunk it?

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#22 RBK
December 17 2008, 11:48AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

@ Jason Gregor: I was thinking of you when Tencer & Corey mentioned this last night on way home from the debacle. Hartford…who woulda thunk it?

Thunk what?

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#23 Wanye Gretz
December 17 2008, 11:53AM
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The most shocking stat I have ever read:

The franchise record for worst home ice goal differential in a loss is a three way tie - with the Oil losing by seven goals on home ice three seperate times in 1992, 1995 and 2008.

All three losses come at the hands of the Blackhawks.

*second shotgun blast*

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#24 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 11:59AM
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@ RBK:

The Whalers were hardly a powerhouse that season...

The Whalers show slight improvement but finish in last place again with a 28-42-10 record, missing the playoffs for the 4th year in a row. http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/hartford/whalers.html

This day in Whalers history... http://www.brassbonanza.com/Sound/DateInHistory/96-97-DayInHistory-840212.mp3

PS - Brass Bonanza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKSpEfPOTo

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#25 Calgoil
December 17 2008, 12:00PM
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Couldn't beleive Poo celebrating his goal as much as he did. Game was gone at that point and he acted like he just put them in the playoffs. "Hey everyone, I just scored a meaningless goal in a humiliating game, let's party".

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#26 Cam
December 17 2008, 12:05PM
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Let's take a step back everyone. If you try really hard you can see that this whole season has been kind of funny.

Remember what everyone was saying about the team this summer, then think about what has happened.

First, Hemsky is leading the team in shots. Pardon? Hemsky? You do mean Ales right? On pace for thirty goals? really?

Then think about the three goaltender situation and tell me that people really thought Garon was going to be the weak link. I sure didn't, but he is.

In the summer Souray and Moreau were a waste of money since gritty players were a dime a dozen. I don't think anyone wants to lose more grittiness on this team.

I read milli's post just now where he was sad about Stoll and reasoner being gone. Stoll? Reasoner? I liked those guys and I actually agree with a lot that Milli says here, but I did not imagine I would read that this year.

The kids were untouchable in the off season. The future of the franchise. The sun rises and sets on Gagner's sweet little ol' cheek. Everyone was saying that he should be on the first line. If anyone had suggested trading any of the kids in the off season they would have been linched. Now all of them are a liability.

Penner is getting a point a game the last month (what!?!)

Cole was the guy with hands that was supposed to convert Hemsky and Gagners sweet passes. He was the man with a will to get to the net and score a goal. Now is a third line plugger...

And Horcoff. Mighty Horcoff who last year was on pace for thirty goals and seemed to see the ice as well as Hemsky (there is a reason he went to the all star game). Where did he go?

Please tell me this is just a really bad joke on Oilers fans. It's seems to be too funny to be anything else.

Each Summer the Oil acquire someone who is capable of thirty goals to play with Hemsky and every year we are dissappointed.

2008 - Cole (tried for Hossa) 2007 - Penner (tried for Vanek) 2006 - Lupul (although at this time we had Smyth) 2005 - Peca (I never did get that one, but it was the intent to have him on line #1). 2004 - summer before lockout

Will it ever end? Or will the stars align and we will hear a mighty roar from Rexall, like that of a great engine starting, and then then kids start scoring and gaolies start stopping and the PK starts killing and the world will be as it should be.

Let it be so...

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#27 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 12:15PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

The most shocking stat I have ever read: The franchise record for worst home ice goal differential in a loss is a three way tie - with the Oil losing by seven goals on home ice three seperate times in 1992, 1995 and 2008. All three losses come at the hands of the Blackhawks. *second shotgun blast*

That is crazy. I wonder what the stats say about the game after the 7 goal loss at the hands of the Hawks...

I just wish that they would have shown some piss & vinegar in the third period. You are getting $hit-Kicked & all they did was curl up in the fetal position like a bear was mauling them.

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#28 RBK
December 17 2008, 12:27PM
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@ Cam:

This post basically sums up the entire season so far. I would say well done but it's so depressing I'm going to go find that gun Wanye has.

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#29 Jason Gregor
December 17 2008, 12:32PM
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@ BUCK75: Nov 27, 1992 Hawks win 8-1...next night OIlers win 4-3 in OT over Tampa Bay ( Home game)

Feb 01, 1995 Hawks win 7-0.. Two nights later Oilers win 5-3 over Leafs (Home game)

We will see if history repeats itself

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#30 Reggie
December 17 2008, 12:49PM
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All I have to say is ... I'm glad this isn't a home and home series with the Hawks ... it might have been back to back slaughters for the Cooper and Blue ... LMAO

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#31 Ender the Dragon
December 17 2008, 12:53PM
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The Oilers have lost back-to-back games twice this season, but generally speaking they have done all right playing 2 nights in a row. All signs suggest they should be able to turn this into some motivation for tonight.

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#32 J&J
December 17 2008, 12:54PM
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If last night did not wake this team up i dont think anything can.Is it possible that when Gagne & Nilsson were out and Schremp, Brule were up that the rest of the team felt they better step it up because if they dont these two guys would take their spot and now that they are sent back down they are feeling a little less pressure.Maybe took a bit off their game? i know they are pros but beatings like that just dont happen for no reason.

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#33 Cam
December 17 2008, 12:55PM
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@RBK

After you are done with the gun can you arrange for someone to bring it by here... that is after they clean up the mess...

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#34 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 01:00PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

I wonder what the stats say about the game after the 7 goal loss at the hands of the Hawks…

Ahh the wonder of the internet...

11/27/92 lost 8-1 to Blackhawks. The next night they beat the Tampa Bay Lightning 4-3, they went 4-5 in the next 9. 2/1/95 they lost 7-0 to the Hawks. The next game they beat the Leafs 5-3, then went 4-3-2 in the next 10. Hopefuly the record turns here, history doesn't say it will though.

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#35 BUCK75
December 17 2008, 01:02PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

Thanks Gregor - I should have just waited instead of taking the half hour of googling the answer...

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#36 hockeysmack
December 17 2008, 01:10PM
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Sweet jesus that was terrible. As a fan I don't even know where to start anymore. The coaching is subpar, the roster is a mix of groups of highly similar players (overpaid 3rd liners and 3rd pairing d-men, small offensive forwards, expensive offensive d-men, average-below average goalies) and no one the team would actually consider trading has value. Ugh. I think I might turn the TV off and utrn it back on at the draft when the Oil have another top 10 pick. Good times.

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#37 Gord
December 17 2008, 01:17PM
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J&J wrote:

Is it possible that when Gagne & Nilsson were out and Schremp, Brule were up that the rest of the team felt they better step it up because if they dont these two guys would take their spot and now that they are sent back down they are feeling a little less pressure.

There is no doubt that the best hockey this yeam has played is when Schremp was here. This is not because Schremp was a superstar out there making everyone look good, I feel it's the exact reason J&J mentioned - the players saw that someone was brought in who can legitimately take their spot. I recall a few of my rants on here when Reddox and Sestito were recalled about exactly that. Who cares if those two get called up, neither will take a top 6 roster spot!

With 3 goalies on the roster this is no room to make adjustments from game to game. After the $#!t show last night, what message can you send? That's right, ice the exact same team the very next night. My god, why hasn't K-Lo reassigned Gagner to the minors and send a message that this isn't a joke and floating won't be tolerated? Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.

Those two are the biggest culprits as to what is wrong with the Oilers this season and yet MacT keeps rewarding them with ample ice time and high praise.

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#38 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2008, 01:42PM
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Gord wrote:

Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort. Those two are the biggest culprits as to what is wrong with the Oilers this season and yet MacT keeps rewarding them with ample ice time and high praise.

How about this team figure out some accountability for the high foreheads who decided to PAY Horcoff that amount of money. "The Canadian Dollar is above par, we're sold out, oil a billion dollars a barrel....oh and Horc is pretty good....let's roll out the dough".

No. The same guy who brought you Cole, Oates, Dopita, the dead Russian draft guy, Pouliot not Parise... THAT is who needs to be accountable.

Sadly, he has a great nickname, is buddies (apparently on Gregor's speed dial!?!?) with all the media, AND was good ole #4.

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#39 Wanye Gretz
December 17 2008, 01:51PM
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Gord wrote:

Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.
You have got to be kidding right? Waive Shaun Horcoff? Come on dude. Let's be serious.
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#40 Gord
December 17 2008, 01:52PM
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@ Zamboni Driver: Firing Lowe can not fix the lack of effort on the ice right now. According to the direction management has taken with MacT, there is little else but the following to assume: Option 1 is the coach needs to address the players who are pulling this team down. And I'm not talking about benching Brodziak and calling him out again... Option 2 is trade some players to hammer the message that piss poor performances are not to be tolerated Option 3 is fire MacT since the players have obviously tuned him out after countless efforts to get their attention.

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#41 J&J
December 17 2008, 01:55PM
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@ Gord: Although i do agree with what you said about Schremp! The problem is first you cant send Gagner to the minors he has to go to back to the OHL if i am not mistaken (someone please correct me if i am) which i dont think should happen but i do think he needs to spend some time in the press box. maybe its not a lack of effort maybe it is simply he is not seeing the game like he should be.maybe he has way to much pressure for a 19 year old kid to handle!i think we absolutly need to open up a roster spot and bring Schremp or Brule back up, not because they are superstars or because i think Schrempy is the next coming but because it gives the young guys on this team a little more motivation and maybe some well neede time eating popcorn and watching how the game is being played

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#42 cole
December 17 2008, 02:37PM
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I give up, I have stated on here what I think is wrong with the Oil and now I really dont care anymore. The only thing different last night from ALL the other games this year is that the goalie did not bail them out by making the big save. The Oilers suck, and until they realize that the only people that can do anything about it is the 20 guys in the locker room, they will continue to suck. Heres hoping they take some pride, use the humiliation they endured last night as fuel, go to vancouver and play with some kind of effort that indicates that someone in the dressing room actually gives a rats ass about winning a few hockey games. Prediction: Oilers miss the playoffs, and I have been an oilers fan for close to 20 years.

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#43 Jonathan Willis
December 17 2008, 03:03PM
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Gord wrote:

Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.

Two points:

1) Horcoff's extension was 5.5-million per season, and it doesn't kick in until next year. This season, he's earning 3.6-million; and that's a bargain contract when you look at what Cole and Penner are making. Whatever people's opinion of Horcoff's extension, please realize that he's a) a bargain this year and b) use the right cap figure.

2) Waive Horcoff? Guy goes 59% on the night at faceoffs, scores a goal, and finishes -1 in a 9-2 loss, and he's the problem? Really? How does that even make sense? He threw a hit and led the team in shots on goal as well. Clearly, Horcoff is the problem. Not Erik Cole, not the invisible second line, and not the checkers who can't check or the goalies who can't make saves. It was a bad loss, but on a team with 15 or so scapegoats, why pick on a guy who was OK?

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#44 Jonathan Willis
December 17 2008, 03:05PM
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Gord wrote:

Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a <big mistake based on his recent effort.

Fun side note - Horcoff has 11 points in the last 9 games. What a loser! Why doesn't he even try? A real first line centre would have at least 12 points!

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#45 Jonathan Willis
December 17 2008, 03:10PM
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And while we're at it, an open question to everyone - which of these four players would you most want on your roster next season (keeping cap hit in mind):

a) Dustin Penner - 4.25M b) Shawn Horcoff - 5.5M c) Ethan Moreau - 2.0M d) Steve Staios - 2.7M

My persoanl answer is B, each and every time. Yes, the contract is steep, but it isn't ridiculous (yet - if the salary cap drops that could very well change), especially compared to other contracts on this team.

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#46 Zamboni Driver
December 17 2008, 03:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

And while we’re at it, an open question to everyone - which of these four players would you most want on your roster next season (keeping cap hit in mind): a) Dustin Penner - 4.25M b) Shawn Horcoff - 5.5M c) Ethan Moreau - 2.0M d) Steve Staios - 2.7M My persoanl answer is B, each and every time. Yes, the contract is steep, but it isn’t ridiculous (yet - if the salary cap drops that could very well change), especially compared to other contracts on this team.

I would say 'B' too....Devil's Advocate says though....

Which of those four, at those prices could you possibly move, especially at this salary cap. WHEN (not IF) the cap drops, there's going to be trouble. Yes, every team has bad contracts....but this team seems to have a disproportionate amount.

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#47 Jonathan Willis
December 17 2008, 03:40PM
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@ Zamboni Driver:

I bet the Rangers would swap Drury/Gomez for Horcoff right now :)

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#48 Gord
December 17 2008, 04:27PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Last year prior to injury he was excellent. Putting up points with Hemsky and Penner the last couple weeks is automatic and any other Oiler could produce at the same rate given the same opportunities. Since coming back from his shoulder injury Horcoff has been horrible and is far from the same player he was last season. Don't let the stats blind you JW.

After Horc's new contract kicks in, he makes $7M next season, $6.5M for the next 2 seasons and $6M for the final year - that averages out to a $6.5M cap hit by my math, but if I am wrong please explain why.

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#49 Cam
December 17 2008, 04:30PM
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@ everyone except Jonathan

Horcoff is about a 0.9 PPG player. That usually nets you 5.5 M all by it's lonesome. Factor in that he is a pretty good shutdown guy, good on faceoffs, a team leader, and he blocks shots with his face.

He sounds liek a bargain to me. The first line is the only good one - leave them alone.

Let's put the blame where it deserves to be - lines 2, 3, and 4. They blow. One line cannot win you a division.

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#50 Cam
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@Gord

I could be wrong, but I think the cap hit is determined including this year of his contract since what he signed was an extension on the existing.

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