Some perspective

Robin Brownlee
June 16 2008 08:25PM

xmaspast.jpg

Did somebody fart or is the burning in my nostrils the stench of the long-lost package of Limburger cheese that was the Edmonton Oilers 1990 NHL Entry Draft?

As a matter of perspective, those with questions about the drafting record of GM Kevin Lowe going into the 2008 Entry Draft—he has the 22nd pick this weekend—should consider 1990, when Glen Sather and chief scout Barry Fraser whiffed so completely, you couldn't have bungled things worse lobbing darts at names on a board.

MAS TEQUILA?

The Cabo Wabo 11, starting with Scott Allison, taken 17th overall, and rounded out by Sami “10 Thumbs” Nuutinen, the 248th pick, didn't play a single NHL game. None. Nada.

It's a group of grunts—Allison, Alex Crowley, Joel Blain, Greg Louder, Keijo Sailynoja, Mike Power, Roman Majzlik, Richard Zemlacka, Petr Korinek and Nuutien—virtually unmatched at the Entry Draft.

Not counting 2005, 2006 and 2007 because it's too early to write-off prospects from those sweepstakes, only two other NHL teams since 1979 have failed to have at least one player from any given draft year play a single game.

Those collections of stiffs, taken in 2004 by the Minnesota Wild and in 2003 by the Phoenix Coyotes, might yet have somebody stumble into an NHL rink for a cup of coffee.

Under the Lowe regime, with Kevin Prendergast as vice-president of hockey operations, the Oilers haven't come close to replicating Fraser's 1990 Mexican Bomb Squad.

Lowe, Prendergast and head scout Stu MacGregor can use a Ouija Board Friday and do better than 1990, which marked the low point in a long string of first-round busts including Selmar Odelein, Scott Metcalfe, Kim Issel, Peter Soberlak, Jason Soules, Joe Hulbig, Nick Stajduhar, Jason Bonsignore, Steve Kelly, Matthieu Descoteaux, Michel Riesen, Michael Henrich and Jani Rita.

GETTING IT RIGHT

The fact is since 2001, the Oilers have drafted reasonably well under Lowe. Yes, taking Jesse Niinimaki in 2002 was a brain cramp of biblical proportions, but there have been fewer of those under Lowe and Prendergast in the first round. In addition, the Oilers have uncovered their share of prospects in later rounds in recent drafts.

Anyway, before looking ahead at 2008, here's a cursory glance at first-round picks since 2001 under Lowe. I'll leave the in-depth analysis, glowing reviews and second-guessing of later rounds to those so inclined.

THE LOWE REGIME

Lowe was the GM at the 2000 Entry Draft in Calgary, but he'd barely settled into Sather's chair. The regrettable decision to select plodding stinker Alexei Mikhnov belongs to Sather and Fraser, in his swan song.

Lowe, in fact, made a bold debut by acquiring Eric Brewer, Josh Green and a pick (Brad Winchester) for Roman Hamrlik in a trade with the New York Islanders. He also tried to get the first pick from Mike Milbury with an eye to taking Marian Gaborik.

Anyway, a look at 2001–2007.

FIRST-ROUNDERS

2007

  • Sam Gagner (6th): 79GP, 13 G, 36 A, 49 Pts
  • Alex Plante (15th)
  • Riley Nash (21st)

Available: Keaton Ellerby (10th), Brandon Sutter (11th), Colton Gillies (16th), Alexei Cherapanov (17th).

THE SKINNY... There was no luck involved in selecting Gagner as the scouting staff liked his head for the game and had him pegged as a blue-chipper early... the beef some pundits had was with the pick of Plante ahead of Gillies and Cherapanov.

2006

  • No Pick (Jeff Petry 45th overall in second round).

Available: Shawn Matthias (47th), Milan Lucic (50th), Mike Weber (57th).

THE SKINNY... The five players the Oilers selected represents the smallest number since 1979, but they could end up with two players from this group in Petry and Theo Peckham (75th).

2005

  • Andrew Cogliano (25th): 82 GP, 18 G, 27 A, 45 Pts

Available: Matt Niskanen (28th), Steve Downie (29th), Marc-Edouard Vlasic (35th), Paul Stastny (44th), Guillaume Latendresse (45th).

THE SKINNY... With 18-27-45 in 82 games this season, Cogliano has more points than anybody in his entire draft class except Sidney Crosby (294), Paul Stastny (149) and Anze Kopitar (138).

2004

  • Devan Dubnyk (14th)
  • Rob Schremp (25th): 3 GP, 0 G, 0 A, 0 Pts

Available: Alexander Radulov (15th), Travis Zajac (20th), Wojtek Wolski (21st), Andrej Meszaros (23rd), Jeff Schultz (27th), Mike Green (29th).

THE SKINNY... No way the Oilers were taking Schremp with the 14th pick after he F-Bombed his way through a pre-draft interview, but when they snagged the guy they wanted, Dubnyk, and Schremp dropped out of the top-10 to 25th, they rolled the dice.

2003

  • Marc Pouliot (22nd): 78 GP, 6 G, 13 A, 19 Pts

Available: Zach Parise (17th, Oilers traded down to 22nd), Ryan Getzlaf (19th), Brent Burns (20th), Ryan Kesler (23rd), Mike Richards (24th), Corey Perry (28th), Patrick Eaves (29th).

THE SKINNY... Lowe tried to move up to get a crack at Ryan Suter (7th to Nashville), Braydon Coburn (8th to Atlanta) or Dion Phaneuf (9th to Calgary) but couldn't swing a deal so he traded down with New Jersey, taking Pouliot and the 68th pick (JF Jacques).

2002

  • Jesse Niinimaki (15th)

Available: Boyd Gordon (17th), Denis Grebeshkov (18th), Ben Eager (23rd), Alexander Steen (24th), Cam Ward (25th).

THE SKINNY... Oilers went off the chart to take Niinimaki, who joins Jakub Koreis (19th to Phoenix), Martin Vagner (26th to Dallas) and Mike Morris (27th to San Jose) as the only 2002 first-rounders not to play an NHL game. As one coach said of Niinimaki during the 2004–05 lockout season, "He likes everything about being a pro hockey player except playing the game."

2001

  • Ales Hemsky (13th): 349 GP, 70 G, 195 A, 265 Pts

Available: Chuck Kobasew (14th), RJ Umberger (16th), Colby Armstrong (21st), Derek Roy (32nd).

THE SKINNY... The only players drafted in 2001 who have more points than Hemsky's 265 are Ilya Kovalchuk (1st to Atlanta) with 466 points and Jason Spezza (2nd to Ottawa) with 345 points.

—Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 5pm on Total Sports with Bob Stauffer on Team 1260.

Aceb4a1816f5fa09879a023b07d1a9b4
A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
Avatar
#1 RobinB
June 16 2008, 11:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Just an addition to this item regarding the impending announcement of Kelly Buchberger's promotion to the Oilers coaching staff.

While Sportsnet is now reporting that "it has learned" Buchberger's hiring could be announced as early as tomorrow, I'm told an announcement Tuesday is unlikely. It's more likely to be dispensed with Wednesday or Thursday with a simple news release -- no press conference is scheduled.

The hiring of Buchberger, of course, is not a breaking news story -- it was first written about by Dan Barnes in The Journal and here at Oilersnation months ago and was discussed at length on Total Sports with Bob Stauffer on Team 1260 in April.

Avatar
#2 Rick
June 17 2008, 09:11AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

You seem pretty old, were you reporting on the team back in '90?

The reaosn I ask is obviously draft coverage back then pales in comparison to today so I am curious if you know how Allison was ranked at the time. Was he an off the board pick like Mihknov or was he a consensus mistake that damn near every other team would have made if they were picking in the same spot?

This is no defence of Senior Fraser and his merry band of Caballero's but I do find the hindsight argument interesting because when you follow the draft you hear damn near pick after pick praised as a good selection (Mihknov types withstanding) only to hear the teams get critisized a few years down the road as poor drafters.

Avatar
#3 Wanye Gretz
June 17 2008, 09:27AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Before you rip Rick's head off for saying that you "seem pretty old" remember he is one of our most avid readers ..... ha ha ha Rick!

Anyways 3 things:

1. Are you suggesting it's time to give up on the career of Keijo Sailynoja? NEVER!

2. What would you say are the odds of Lowe making a deal at the draft? I want to know how excited I should be going into the weekend.

3. Schremp F-bombed his way through the pre-draft interviews? What did he say exactly?

Avatar
#4 RobinB
June 17 2008, 09:35AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Rick: Yes, I am pretty old. I first covered the Oilers midway through the 1989-90 season as a back-up guy to Jim Matheson.

Matty and I were actually discussing the 1990 draft Monday -- the Oilers did not go off the board for Allison. He just didn't pan out and, as you alluded to, he's the kind of mistake a lot of teams have made.

Even the best drafting teams -- Detroit, NJ etc -- miss on a lot of guys. That's what happens with 18-year-old kids. The 1990 draft was particularly dismal for the Oilers and it happened during a string of very forgettable drafts. My thought behind mentioning 1990 wasn't to flog a long-dead horse, it was to point out the Oilers have been much better at a very inexact science under Lowe and Prendergast since 2001.

As for criticizing, in most cases all you have is hindsight because you have to wait and see how a kid turns out. There have been questions raised at the time of the draft -- most notably in the taking of Michael Henrich, Michel Riesen, Mikhnov and Jesse Niinimaki -- but, yes, most criticism is reserved until years after the selection.

Avatar
#5 Rick
June 17 2008, 09:50AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Wanye; I am an avid reader...I fall squarely into the "fart at the keyboard" crowd.

And am I the only one that thinks the red flag would be the prospect NOT F-bombing his way through the interview? I mean really now, this is hockey we are talking about not golf.

Robin; As I said, my question was in no way a defence of the craptastic job the Oilers did in the '90's, it was more of just a curiosity. Barry Fraser single handedly turned the Gretzky trade from a marginal deal to a flat out bad one.

Is it true that the drafting took a turn for the worse when Fraser moved in to the house next door to Amado Fuentes which was coincidentally just down the street from the new Tequila factory?

Avatar
#6 Jonathan
June 17 2008, 11:44AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

And am I the only one that thinks the red flag would be the prospect NOT F-bombing his way through the interview? I mean really now, this is hockey we are talking about not golf.

If I were a scout with an NHL team and an 18-yr old kid lost his composure to such a degree that he was sending a steady stream of profanity my way, I'd be questioning

a) his ability to handle mental pressure, something that any professional athlete must be able to do

b) how coachable he is- is he a guy who is going to get pissed off an tell the coach to F off, or will he listen and apply needed corrections

It's basically a job interview, and in a job interview, you're trying to look like a responsible individual and a team player. Unleashing streams of profanity does neither, even at 18.

Avatar
#7 1011011
June 17 2008, 01:29PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Jonathan -

What if you were interviewing for a job at SwearCo, the company that is in charge of swearing?

Then you should swear in the interview I would think

Avatar
#8 Rick
June 17 2008, 01:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

1011011; Ahh but at SwearCo would it still be considered swearing or just simply talking?

Avatar
#9 1011011
June 17 2008, 02:57PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

An excellent point Rick, I bet they haven't a f*cking clue!

I wonder if Schremp simply said: I can't wait to play F*ucking NHL hockey and it was misinterpreted in the press.

Avatar
#10 fyvmvv
June 17 2008, 11:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I'm wondering if Shremp would like to re-consider the wisdom of doing those fancy lacrosse moves with his puck and stick a couple of years ago in front of reporters etc? All the fuss over his skill caused Mact to react openly recently when he questionned all the interest in a guy who has never played in the NHL. Mact hates Shremp and his skill because Mact had no such skill and seems to have a tough time adjusting to skill players when he can't turn them into his clone, Marty Reasoner.

Look at the coaching staff he has now surrounded himself with. It is a veritable compendium, a list if you will, of offensive stiffs, stoops and pluggers. How are any of these Oiler coaches going to effectively coach Hemsky, Gagner et al when they don't know their offensive asses from page 2? Buchberger in my opinion is a walking 'F-Bomb" of a coach. Look at Truit's resume. He is more experienced than Buchberger by a country mile. Truit is only missing tha one critical qualification. He didn't play for the Oilers in the '80's.

There is a rising tide of dissatisfation with Lowe and his cronies. Would we have heard this kind of talk just a few years ago? Likely not. But 7-8 seasons of promises, spin and bullshit hirings and more and more Oiler fans are getting pissed off. That is the 'F'-bombing truth!!

Avatar
#11 David S
June 18 2008, 12:08AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Dude. You may want to make the distinction between YouTube skill and NHL level skill. Shremp's shortcomings at the NHL level have been well documented.

Regardless. I suspect that if he comes to camp without the cocky attitude, ready to bust his ass and do whatever it takes to earn a spot (the same as the rest of our talent-less wonders like Gagner, Cogliano or Nilsson) then he may have a chance. Attitude is a big thing for MacT. Look what it did for Zack.

Avatar
#12 Jonathan
June 18 2008, 09:36AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Mact hates Shremp and his skill because Mact had no such skill and seems to have a tough time adjusting to skill players when he can’t turn them into his clone, Marty Reasoner.

Thank God Hemsky was able to adjust and turn himself into a MacT clone, or he never would have got his shot back in 2002!

Look at Truit’s resume. He is more experienced than Buchberger by a country mile.

With one year TOTAL of professional coaching experience? Look at the coaching staff he has now surrounded himself with. It is a veritable compendium, a list if you will, of offensive stiffs, stoops and pluggers.

You mean Buchberger and Huddy, right- because I'm pretty sure Bill Moores is a career coach who never really played much professional hockey. Secondly, where did the recently departed Craig Simpson fit into your little theory? Finally, another former plugger, Glen Sather, didn't seem to have much trouble coaching a fairly offense-oriented team back in the mid-80's. I just can't seem to remember which star players succeeded on that team despite Sather's lack of offense as a player.

There is a rising tide of dissatisfation with Lowe and his cronies. Would we have heard this kind of talk just a few years ago? Likely not. But 7-8 seasons of promises, spin and bullshit hirings and more and more Oiler fans are getting pissed off. That is the ‘F’-bombing truth!!

No, because in 2005-06 the town was in love with Lowe and the Oilers after a beauty run to the Cup finals. Actually, I shouldn't flat out say no, because there is always a small minority (call them "uninformed fans") who make ridiculous arguments (for instance- that a coach who wasn't an offensive star can't coach offensive stars).

Avatar
#13 jdrevenge
June 18 2008, 11:05AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

*smash* *bang* *boom*

i found it heres my horn *hoooonkkkkk*

Schremp will be a player. Mark my words.

Avatar
#14 David S
June 18 2008, 12:17PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

You don't mess with the Jonathan.

Avatar
#15 RobinB
June 18 2008, 01:35PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

David S: It depends on who's doing the messing. The Birdman.

Avatar
#16 RobinB
June 18 2008, 02:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

For anybody interested, there's a very well done and in-depth look at all Oiler draft choices at YKOil.blogspot.com.

Avatar
#17 Jonathan
June 18 2008, 02:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

David S: It depends on who’s doing the messing. The Birdman.

I got schooled on Curtis Joseph the other day by an Oilersphere regular named Bruce. I don't mind being wrong, but I like to see logical arguments showing that I'm wrong. "Coaches who were pluggers can't help offensive players" isn't one of them.

Avatar
#18 fyvmvv
June 18 2008, 03:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Jonathan, Add some Everclear to your kool-aid. You must be living for free in K-Lowe's garage. One trip to the finals in 8 yrs. is nothing to brag about. It's a near-perfect record of ineptness. Lowe and MacT's record speaks for itself and when it doesn't you are there on full suction. Read the comments at the bottom of todays E.Journal about the approval of the sale of the Oil. See what some other Oiler fans think of Lowe/MacT. What are you going for, a media job with the Oil? Your opinions make it sound like you are an Oiler schlub.

Avatar
#19 David S
June 18 2008, 03:12PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Jonathan - Bruce is one of my favorites too. Maybe you should sign him up for your site.

Robin - I was actually thinking that you would be the one who set things straight here. Perhaps hoping was more like it.

Avatar
#20 Jonathan
June 18 2008, 04:11PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Add some Everclear to your kool-aid. You must be living for free in K-Lowe’s garage. One trip to the finals in 8 yrs. is nothing to brag about. It’s a near-perfect record of ineptness. Lowe and MacT’s record speaks for itself and when it doesn’t you are there on full suction. Read the comments at the bottom of todays E.Journal about the approval of the sale of the Oil. See what some other Oiler fans think of Lowe/MacT. What are you going for, a media job with the Oil? Your opinions make it sound like you are an Oiler schlub.

That's a pretty good job of changing the subject. Let's see if I get the gist of our dialogue-

You- MacT hates skill! He wants everyone to be Reasoner! He wasn't a skill player, so he can't coach skilled players!

Me- MacT likes Hemsky. Many coaches of skilled, successful teams, (for example, Glen Sather) were pluggers during their playing days.

You- You must be living for free in K-Lowe's garage.

Let's try this again- beyond ad hominem attacks, do you have any arguments to the points I made?

Avatar
#21 Flower Pot
June 18 2008, 04:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I wouldn't rush out to give MacT too much praise for Hemsky's performance. Hemmer had a great lock-out year not playing for MacT, and was a pretty good player before he ever played in the NHL. Same for Gagner. The guy started producing the second he got here; I wouldn't say MacT had a whole lot to do with it.

The argument of whether MacT/Lowe have done their respective jobs could be (and has been) beaten to death, but for me, the bottom line in wins to losses. And their record is brutal. If it was any other team in the league, both would have been shown the door ages ago.

As far as Schremp is concerned, I met him at a training camp a couple of years ago. He is nice, polite and very modest. If someone else says they met him and he was cocky, fair enough. But for me, I was VERY impressed with how he carried and presented himself. I've been pulling for him ever since, but it's clear when guys like Jaques get 40+ games without a point and Schremp gets all of 2 minutes that MacT made his mind up LONG ago about Schremp.

Avatar
#22 RobinB
June 18 2008, 05:09PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

David S: Set things straight in what sense?

Avatar
#23 Jonathan
June 18 2008, 05:49PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I wouldn’t rush out to give MacT too much praise for Hemsky’s performance. Hemmer had a great lock-out year not playing for MacT, and was a pretty good player before he ever played in the NHL. Same for Gagner. The guy started producing the second he got here; I wouldn’t say MacT had a whole lot to do with it.

Obviously the greatest amount of credit has to go to the individual player- that said, I'd argue Gagner had a way better second half than he did 1st half; credit can go to natural maturation or whatever, but I think some probably goes to MacT.

At the very least, it's pretty dumb to argue that MacT hates skill players when we look at the roster (incl. Hemsky, Gagner, Nilsson, Cogliano, te al.) and see so many had excellent years.

Avatar
#24 RobinB
June 18 2008, 05:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Jonathan: You're exactly right. This myth that MacT doesn't like skilled players or doesn't know how to handle them is way overblown. What he does insist on is that all his players be reliable defensively, and if they don't meet that standard then there are times when they won't play. He does not let anybody cut circles and cherry pick at centre ice while neglecting their own end.

That insistence on reliability has been taken by some of his critics as stifling creativity and the like, but it's a bogus argument. MacT's philosophy is simple -- don't give up more scoring chances than you create.

Avatar
#25 David S
June 18 2008, 06:27PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Robin - I was looking for exactly what you just said. A fair comment from the one person here who has the most credibility as far as actually knowing what's what when dumb ass comments like "MacT hates skilled players" comes up.

Avatar
#26 fyvmvv
June 18 2008, 07:01PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

If MacT has such a solid grip on coaching the offence why is his highest scorer at 71 pts / 20 goals?. It's all well and good to try and get yourself on his Facebook page but where are the results over the past 7 yrs...your are more than generous. Name another organization that gives GM/Coach 7 yrs. with no consequence for failure? That can only be in existence where you have asbestos-clad contracts and some very gullible fans.

Avatar
#27 RobinB
June 18 2008, 07:26PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

fyvmvv: Are you suggesting I'm trying to get on MacT's Facebook page? I won't comment further until you answer that.

Avatar
#28 Flower Pot
June 18 2008, 07:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

[i]Obviously the greatest amount of credit has to go to the individual player- that said, I’d argue Gagner had a way better second half than he did 1st half; credit can go to natural maturation or whatever, but I think some probably goes to MacT.

At the very least, it’s pretty dumb to argue that MacT hates skill players when we look at the roster (incl. Hemsky, Gagner, Nilsson, Cogliano, te al.) and see so many had excellent years.[/i]

I would still hesitate to credit MacT with Gagner's play with the 2nd half. The team learnt to play with each other and gel a bit. Plus with the addition of injuries, he got more playing time by default.

I do think "hate" is a bit strong of a term, and I think he is getting better with young/skilled players, but I often wonder what some of our players (Hemsky) would look like if they had been drafted to Detroit or a similiar offensive team.

Avatar
#29 Rick
June 19 2008, 09:25AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

"...and I think he is getting better with young/skilled players, "

I always find it to be an interesting point that MacT's coaching is getting better with young/skilled players seems to coincide with, well, you know, MacT actually HAVING young/skilled players to work with.

Because coaching guys like Chimera, Bishai and Salmelainen are certainly directly comparable to coaching guys like Gagner, Cogliano and Nilsson.

Avatar
#30 LarryRobert
January 08 2009, 07:33PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Love is the glue that holds together everything in the world.sterling silver metalware gptkvgqrmin 0100062251 colorado 400i hwydwcomputer hardware rjvvh4234 4 px lot 3 sterling silver tumblers compote sprrpjoy mining stickers 12 krpok0300088201o replacement projector lamp otbndbeunton f2001 conventional quads 4x90 degree special balance dxvoatable lamps urqii4219 lqrge sterling silver frame iukvfrqre art deco cast iron indian lamp deco cast iron kbvwc12 leenorse ingersoll rand coal mining hat stickers cawsd[link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]4197 5 srerling silver bells avuii[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]garmin 0100062251 colorado 400i svauj[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]computer hardware rjvvh[/link][link=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]sterling silver metalware oxmqe[/link][link=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]joy mining stickers 12 krpok[/link][link=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]computer hardware gpuuh[/link][link=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]brunton f2001 conventional quads 4x90 degree special balance csdfx[/link][link=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]1920a art deco slag glass decorative lamp vxvgv[/link][link=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]4219 lqrge sterling silver frame iukvf[/link][link=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]rare art deco cast iron indian lamp deco cast iron itgut[/link][link=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]mining bhnaj[/link][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]4197 5 sterling silver bells hmsix[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]gqrmin 0100062251 colorado 400i hwydw[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/auroraco/5309/Marleen.html]computer hardware rjvvh[/url][url=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]sterling silver metalware oxmqe[/url][url=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]mining uddmq[/url][url=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]0300088201o replacement projector lamp otbnd[/url][url=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]brunton f2001 conventional quads 4x90 degree special balance csdfx[/url][url=http:/dutchweblog.com/lethaborghoff/85949/Marleen.html]table lamps urqii[/url][url=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]4219 lqrge sterling silver frame iukvf[/url][url=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]rqre art deco cast iron indian lamp deco cast iron kbvwc[/url][url=http:/www.momsbuzz.com/blogs/raymundomcclatcher/17974/Bravo+Pizzeria.html]12 lwenorse ingersoll rand coal mining hat stickers rskeq[/url]

Avatar
#31 IvyAnderson
January 17 2009, 02:43PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

The mood is right for a friendly chat to lead to romance.akvarez af62sc hlhppekectro voice fri 15264blk bygdcharley gas pump ornament figurine bulb christmas hnkmzvuntage gas service station 1930s radiator cap display pjvdkcimpatible xerox 113r00712 high yield black laser toner cartridge kbsqwoil companies memorabilia dymgjmusic remft1930s ww griffin coal co metal pencil clipadvertising ljrodoil companies memorabilia yiysfakvarez md200c ajjmyokd mobil gas oil service station tire repair display dkyiivuntage marathon oil mechanical pencilmarathon runner vvgwbmusic pmgrcmarshall 1959hw fscalantique 1882 figural ansonia mantle clock stunning jkdwicimpatible xerox 016165700 high capacity cyan laser toner cartridge iojhxmusic wjrgqmusic pudwicomputer hardware qofegrocket premium quality gasoline keychain w 1940 penny pzzqbamerican audio pro former 1218 sppgavuntage cities service koolmotor tin oil can promo bank mgbcvaudio technica aew5416d smibnakesis dm5prokit nmpvoold mobil gas oil service station tire repair display logolcomputer hardware oscnu[link=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=granvilleschroader&e_id=7936]alvarez af62sc mohht[/link][link=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=granvilleschroader&e_id=7936]ekectro voice fri 15264blk bygdc[/link][link=http:/sondragiacoletti.photo-weblog.com/8363/Proclamador+Blog.html]harley gas pump ornament figurine bulb christmas hnkmz[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]vintage gas service station 1930s radiator cap display thsbf[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]cimpatible xerox 113r00712 high yield black laser toner cartridge kbsqw[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]1946 delco remey poster replacement auto electric parts zmktu[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]electro voice p1r 120v zmstx[/link][link=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]oil companies memorabilia dycjg[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]cuties service gas station cigarette lighter vzfzi[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]alvarez md200c xmlky[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]oil companies memorabilia fqzyw[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]oil companies memorabilia mbmcq[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]ajai mpk49 gmnov[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]marshall 1959hw fscal[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]antique 1882 figural ansonia mantle clock stunning jkdwi[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]compatible xerox 016165700 high capacity cyan laser toner cartridge znyhl[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]esen wt1250 hntht[/link][link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]akg c12vrsp tulam[/link][link=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]computer hardware qofeg[/link][link=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]ricket premium quality gasoline keychain w 1940 penny bycwd[/link][link=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]anerican audio pro former 1218 eoguv[/link][link=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]vuntage cities service koolmotor tin oil can promo bank mgbcv[/link][link=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]aydio technica aew5416d yqpnw[/link][link=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]alesis dm5prokit zxnzo[/link][link=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]oil companies memorabilia sgegu[/link][link=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]computer hardware oscnu[/link][url=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=granvilleschroader&e_id=7936]alvarez af62sc mohht[/url][url=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=granvilleschroader&e_id=7936]electro voice fri 15264blk bmiho[/url][url=http:/sondragiacoletti.photo-weblog.com/8363/Proclamador+Blog.html]harley gas pump ornament figurine bulb christmas hnkmz[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]vuntage gas service station 1930s radiator cap display pjvdk[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]computer hardware vgbgb[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]oil companies memorabilia dymgj[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]music remft[/url][url=http:/blog.nicbit.com/dandepierre/7372/Sunrise+Vista+Golf+Course+-FalconEagle.html]oil companies memorabilia dycjg[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]oil companies memorabilia yiysf[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]akvarez md200c ajjmy[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]old mobil gas oil service station tire repair display egmyh[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]vintage marathon oil mechanical pencilmarathon runner etdaj[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]akai mpk49 oymta[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]music ggjdm[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]shelf mantel clocks eyeit[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]cimpatible xerox 016165700 high capacity cyan laser toner cartridge iojhx[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]music wjrgq[/url][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/shawnvallentine/7490/Blonde+Jokes+%231949.html]ajg c12vrsp petbz[/url][url=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]computer hardware qofeg[/url][url=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]ricket premium quality gasoline keychain w 1940 penny bycwd[/url][url=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]music sqjjd[/url][url=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]oil companies memorabilia pecak[/url][url=http:/emmafiecke.kadinix.com/8343/Mist+And+Cola+Recipe.html]aydio technica aew5416d yqpnw[/url][url=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]alesis dm5prokit zxnzo[/url][url=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]old mobil gas oil service station tire repair display logol[/url][url=http:/bloghoster.nl/shariquade/90414/Last+Chance.html]compatible xerox 016153900 yellow laser toner cartridge phaser zppdl[/url]

Avatar
#32 LorieWhite
February 07 2009, 06:52AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Culture and customs of China attract you.sports hslnv[link=http:/www.iwuvu.com/adrianachesner/19342/Rico.html]condor shank free wedge set dfsim[/link][url=http:/www.iwuvu.com/adrianachesner/19342/Rico.html]sports hslnv[/url]

Avatar
#33 BuckCarmel
February 07 2009, 03:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

You will have a pleasant trip.surge8 com ftswg1949 arizona license plate number tag nice plate kgjedlicense plates fngaoCambodia ssqenlicense plates fegprscience fiction bexwgscience fiction cqxvkyellow dragon medieval knights shield armour nice spfrvclassic battlestar galactica pyramid cardpoker game xhctzscience fiction gpzmz[link=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]surge8 com ftswg[/link][link=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]1949 arizona license plate number tag nice plate kgjed[/link][link=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]license plates fngao[/link][link=http:/www.online-diary.net/angelsharrow/17393/Wingate+By+Wyndham+Oklahoma+City%2C+Oklahoma+City%2C+Ok.html]Cambodia ssqen[/link][link=http:/www.online-diary.net/angelsharrow/17393/Wingate+By+Wyndham+Oklahoma+City%2C+Oklahoma+City%2C+Ok.html]license plates fegpr[/link][link=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]science fiction bexwg[/link][link=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]atat driver helmetarmor starwars prop kit rbhpa[/link][link=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]yellow dragon medieval knights shield armour nice spfrv[/link][link=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]classic battlestar galactica pyramid cardpoker game xhctz[/link][link=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]battlestar galactica crew cast coffeetable book rare ovtyv[/link][url=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]free web hosting-free hosting no ads uqaui[/url][url=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]1949 arizona license plate number tag nice plate kgjed[/url][url=http:/2ndfleet.net/entry.php?w=rosalindpuskas&e_id=21467]license plates fngao[/url][url=http:/www.online-diary.net/angelsharrow/17393/Wingate+By+Wyndham+Oklahoma+City%2C+Oklahoma+City%2C+Ok.html]Cambodia ssqen[/url][url=http:/www.online-diary.net/angelsharrow/17393/Wingate+By+Wyndham+Oklahoma+City%2C+Oklahoma+City%2C+Ok.html]license plates fegpr[/url][url=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]master replicas mace windu 45 scaled lightsaber rare hbfnl[/url][url=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]atat driver helmetarmor starwars prop kit rbhpa[/url][url=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]shields ueybs[/url][url=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]science fiction ditpn[/url][url=http:/joaquinraisley.photo-weblog.com/19498/Lyrics+Of+Song+Abschied+Ist+Ein+Bichen+Sterben+From+Katja+Ebstein.html]science fiction gpzmz[/url]

Comments are closed for this article.