Let’s make a deal

Robin Brownlee
June 07 2008 11:37PM

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It's far more likely Edmonton Oilers GM Kevin Lowe will make a trade for a significant roster player at the 2008 Entry Draft than it is he'll swing a deal to move up from 22nd in selection order.

Lowe has never moved up, although it's not for lack of trying—he toasted his cell phone in 2003 trying to get a crack at Ryan Suter, Dion Phaneuf or Braydon Coburn before moving down to take Marc Pouliot over, ahem, Zach Parise.

With a glut of second- and third-line forwards and depth on defence, Lowe said his week he'd consider moving assets in a three-for-one or even four-for-one deal—a top-three forward is the target.

"It's a matter of me and the organization trying to do our best to manage the assets, improve the hockey team," he said.

"If that means getting into a situation where we move a couple, maybe three or four assets for one or two coming back, a player and a draft pick or something, that might be a good thing."

Joni Pitkanen is Lowe's best bargaining chip because there's still people around the NHL who don't laugh out loud when the phrase "future Norris Trophy candidate" is attached to his name.

Puck-movers who skate as well as Pitkanen are at a premium and the Oilers are in a position—assuming Sheldon Souray doesn't slip and fall in the shower and Tom Gilbert and Denis Grebeshkov continue to develop—to shop him in a package and see what the returns might be.

A source in the east who I know and trust says there's already been inquiries about Pitkanen. That doesn't mean Lowe has something on the table, but the schmoozing that went on at a meeting of GMs last week is bound to turn into more substantial talks by draft time.

As for possibilities, I'm with Team 1260 loudmouth Bob Stauffer in thinking the Ottawa Senators are prime candidates as trading partners. The name being mentioned, of course, is Jason Spezza.

More in coming days...

Done Deals

Lowe trades leading up to and at the draft.

June 24, 2006: Acquire 3rd round pick in 2006 (Theo Peckham) from Atlanta for a 3rd round pick and 7th round pick in 2006.

June 21, 2003: Trade 17th overall pick to New Jersey for the 22nd pick (Pouliot) and the 68th pick (J.F. Jacques).

June 23, 2002: Jochen Hecht to Buffalo for the 31st pick (Jeff Deslauriers) and the 36th pick (forward Jarret Stoll) in 2002. Trade the 14th pick to Montreal for the 15th pick (Jesse Niinimaki) and the 245th pick (Tomas Micka).

June 18, 2002: Trade a third-round choice in 2003 and a conditional selection in 2004 to Philadelphia for Jiri Dopita.

June 24, 2000: Roman Hamrlik to the New York Islanders for Josh Green, Eric Brewer and New York's second pick (Brad Winchester) in 2000.

June 12, 2000: Fifth-round draft choice in 2000 to Nashville for Patrick Cote.

Just Asking

  • What was Aaron Downey doing after Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final guzzling champagne in Detroit's dressing room while wearing equipment? Downey didn't play, so what's with the gear? Did the equipment crew spray on fake sweat, too?
  • Why did people insist on comparing the Penguins to the 1983 Oilers? As Glen Sather told Jim Matheson in the Journal last week, it's a bogus angle. Three seasons from now, 2010–11, there won't be more than six players remaining from the team that lost to Detroit.
  • Why would the Oilers pay Curtis Glencross more than $1 million when they have a cheaper, younger alternative—with more upside—like Pouliot in the mix? Enjoy Florida or Carolina, Curtis.
  • What is it, exactly, Craig MacTavish sees in Marty Reasoner? As MacT said last week, "I want Marty back!" It's so mind-boggling, I'm tempted to go for an MRI to see if I've lost my brain.

—Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 5pm on Total Sports with Bob Stauffer on Team 1260.

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#1 Jonathan
June 08 2008, 09:15AM
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Why did people insist on comparing the Penguins to the 1983 Oilers? As Glen Sather told Jim Matheson in the Journal last week, it’s a bogus angle.

I wondered the same thing:

http://coppernblue.blogspot.com/2008/05/1983-oilers-vs-2008-penguins.html

Bogus, like you said.

Why would the Oilers pay Curtis Glencross more than $1 million when they have a cheaper, younger alternative—with more upside—like Pouliot in the mix? Enjoy Florida or Carolina, Curtis.

And thank you, yes, absolutely.

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#2 Tyler
June 08 2008, 10:37AM
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Don't buy into Stauffer's line about Souray. He's not a puck moving defenceman. Gilbert and Grebs might make Pitkanen more expendable but Souray has nothing to do with the question, or shouldn't (other than, I suppose, he can eat PP minutes...if healthy).

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#3 RobinB
June 08 2008, 10:51AM
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Tyler: Exactly right. I have never considered Souray a puck mover. What he was two seasons ago in Montreal was a point producer and, looking at his career stats, I'm of the mind that kind of production might have been a one-off. I see a healthy Souray as a 40-45 point guy. A puck mover he's not -- he's nowhere near the league of Pitkanen, Gilbert or Grebeshkov in that regard.

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#4 RobinB
June 08 2008, 10:56AM
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Jonathan: Solid analysis. I understand why reporters pursued the angle -- the demands for reams and reams of copy from reporters during The Cup borders on ridiculous -- but it was a stretch.

By the way, I'm not sure about your hockey or journalism background, or if you even have one, but you're writing some very good, must-read stuff.

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#5 Hockey Addict 101
June 08 2008, 11:29AM
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Good article.

What was Aaron Downey doing after Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final guzzling champagne in Detroit’s dressing room while wearing equipment? Downey didn’t play, so what’s with the gear? Did the equipment crew spray on fake sweat, too?

Answer: All the black aces and players that didn't play all came out on the ice for their chance to have a turn with the Stanley Cup. I thought it was a classy move by the Red Wings.

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#6 Hemsky is a gangsta
June 08 2008, 12:53PM
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Is the Spezza thing just speculation on your part?

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#7 lowetide
June 08 2008, 01:32PM
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It doesn't quite fir the criteria you were looking for here, but Lowe's dealing up to get Nash was a nice draft day deal that could benefit the club.

I'm beginning to worry a little here about this "top three" forward. If they get Erik Cole and Pitkanen is going the other way, does that mean they're going with the current D (- Pitkanen) without adding a D?

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#8 RobinB
June 08 2008, 03:11PM
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Hemsky: The bottom-line answer is yes, but it's speculation that's shared by a few people in the know and speculation based on reasonable circumstances -- in the case of Ottawa, the pending loss of Redden and potential cap issues.

Lowetide: Don't read too much into Cole for Pitkanen. Matty is basically doing with Cole what I'm doing with Spezza -- looking at a situation that makes some sense based on circumstances. In both cases (Ottawa and Carolina), I don't see a problem going with the current defence minus Pitkanen, do you?

101: Yes, I know it was for the team picture. I was just pointing out it's a bit phoney. Injured players and those not in the line-up used to just appear in track suits or street clothes. Just because a player didn't play in the final game/series doesn't lessen his role or contribution to the team. Getting them to put on the gear seems a bit contrived.

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#9 lowetide
June 08 2008, 03:59PM
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Robin: I'd like to see another veteran in there. If they start the season with Souray, Staios, Grebeshkov, Gilbert, Smid, Greene and Roy is that enough?

Souray is better than we thought he'd be and is a PP asset who can PK too, but it would be nice to have a solid EV 4th to go with Staios, Gilbert and Grebeshkov. I don't think Smid is there yet, do you?

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#10 Hemsky is a gangsta
June 08 2008, 04:39PM
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I agree with lowetide, Pitkanen had a dissapointing year but he was still on the top pairing and constantly matched up against other top lines. That needs to be replaced.

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#11 RobinB
June 08 2008, 04:45PM
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Smid's a work in progress, but I don't see a problem if he's playing third-pairing minutes. Pushing him into the top four is where things get dicey. I think Gilbert will rebound from his poor showing late in the season. If Greene gets over his broken ankle, I see a workable top six in terms of a mix of puck-movers and defensive guys. Injuries the magnitude of the past two seasons, of course, will throw a wrench in the works, but you can't build a team always fearing the worst. At the same time, I wouldn't be against acquiring a cheap, reliable veteran for insurance. And what about Peckham in a pinch?

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#12 Hockey Addict 101
June 08 2008, 04:52PM
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I get the impression though that Lowe is trying for the homerun trade ,the multiplayer deal.

Robin do you feel that the Oilers are looking to use Pitkanen as the centre piece of a multiplayer deal?

That is the impression I get from the interviews and piecing things together.

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#13 Hockey Addict 101
June 08 2008, 04:54PM
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LOL, I think it was more of a case of the Red Wings having the players skate with the Stanley Cup and feeling part of the team then being contrived.

But you and I can agree to disagree on that one.

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#14 RobinB
June 08 2008, 04:57PM
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101: Yes, my feeling is Pitkanen will be the centre of any significant trade the Oilers pull off. Despite struggling -- relative to his first couple of seasons -- he's still young and has the potential to be a first-pairing defenceman in this league for the next 10 years. Potkanen has cachet around the league and will bring the best return of any Oiler blueliner.

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#15 Hemsky is a gangsta
June 08 2008, 05:02PM
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If Pitkanen is dealt what do you all think about getting Pavel Kubina from Toronto? It was reported the Oilers had interest around the trade deadline.

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#16 lowetide
June 08 2008, 05:27PM
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The Oilers certainly improved their blueline with Grebeshkov and Gilbert emerging last year.

I would prefer keeping Pitkanen to be honest, and rolling with what they have up front. The Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky line, followed by the kids and then a veteran 3line around Stoll, Moreau, Torres, Pisani and then the 4line with the leftovers there, Pouliot and the names I've forgotten would be fine by me.

If Lowe does a three-for-one, would you suggest someone aside from Pitkanen as being part of the deal? By that I mean "the Edmonton Oilers trade Joni Pitkanen, Rob Schremp and blah blah blah" for the return you mentioned Lowe talking about above (the player and the pick)?

I know you've mentioned Schremp before, what about Smid? Is there any market at all for Jacques?

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#17 Hockey Addict 101
June 08 2008, 06:34PM
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Lowetide, Robin.

I tend to agree that keeping him for a year and then trading him (even mid-season) is going to be the better option.

I believe ultimately he will be traded as there is just going to be too much money on the defence.

But garnering a better return is going to happen when he has a better season. Right now there is still the tag "potential" written on him.

Right now the only way to get a top 6 winger may be to package him, this may not be the case next year.

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#18 RobinB
June 08 2008, 07:27PM
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Lowetide: If you trade Pitkanen AND Smid, now you have to get back a D-man in the trade or you have to acquire one in a separate move. Not wise. The "market" depends on the other team. Is there a market for Schremp? On a handful of teams as a secondary part of a package deal, yes. On others, no. As for Jacques, he's a throw-in in almost any deal. He has little value right now and is represents a chance to dump a contract more than anything else.

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#19 lowetide
June 08 2008, 09:05PM
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Robin: Who do you see them dealing (aside from Pitkanen) in a three-for-one?

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#20 RobinB
June 08 2008, 11:44PM
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Lowetide: Depends. A proven top 3 forward (a 35-goal or 80-point guy) will cost you Pitkanen, a top-nine forward and a top prospect. Hate to be vague, but, again, it depends on which team you're dealing with when it comes to wants and needs. The only roster players I can't see being made available are Hemsky, Horcoff, Gagner and possibly Cogliano and Gilbert. Of the prospects, some potential trade partners would be intrigued by the offensive potential of Schremp. Others would see him as a big gamble and want a safer prospect with less upside like Pouliot or ??????

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#21 Rick
June 09 2008, 09:04AM
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Robin: Just for fun if we were to assume that Spezza was the guy Lowe managed to pick up, then wouldn't that immediately make Horcoff available?

If you consider that this team needs to grow for atleast one more year before truly condtending then where would Horcoff fit beyond this upcoming season?

Spezza would be the #1 center, Gagner would have to be considered #2 by that time so by default Horcoff is #3 and costing 5 mil a season in the process.

Factor in Cogliano, Stoll (assuming he rebounds this year), Brodziak and obviously Reasoner (for some inexplicable reason) and I just don't see where Horcoff would line up. All of those guys would be making a more appropriate amount for playing down the roster. For that matter would Horcoff even re-up here if he saw that he was being pushed down the depth chart?

In the light, what I would be curious in knowing is what would Horcoff fetch you at this years trade deadline? He seems exactly like the type of player that a cup favourite would like to add for their run.

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As for trading Pitkanen, if he in part gets you a guy like Spezza, as you're speculating, then I say go for it. If he in part gets you Cole, like Matty is musing, then I hope Lowe keeps him.

Spezza is the type of player that you get a crack at once in a blue moon where as Cole is the type of player you probably get a crack at once a year if you're willing to pay the price. I don't think you waste a talent like Pitkanen on that type of guy.

Not unlike last summer when Lowe settled for (atleast) Plan B OF Plan C in signing Penner. This year I don't see the same pressure to deal for the sake of dealing.

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#22 Sean
June 09 2008, 09:12AM
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I wonder if Gaborik or Lecavalier are at all in play. Havlat, Cole, Tkachuk, Cammalleri are some others who could be.

If we were to get a player like Spezza, we wouldn't have the cash to get a veteran D unless we traded Stoll/Torres for picks. I'd like to see Brad Stuart added to our D but knowing Detroit he'll probably sign for a million under market to stay there.

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#23 RobinB
June 09 2008, 09:41AM
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Rick: I wouldn't trade Pitkanen straight up for Cole, let alone throw in anybody else. I'm not a big Joni fan in terms of what I've seen (as opposed to his first two seasons in Philly), but I know talent when I see it.

Let's not knock Horcoff down the pecking order so quickly -- this talk about getting a Spezza or a No. 1 centre is only talk. If Lowe pulls it off, I don't think being the No. 2 centre immediately sends Horcoff packing. He's a 1-2 centre and he will get his ice time (and his money) here because he plays special teams. It's a leap to put Gagner ahead of Horcoff on the depth chart at this point -- let's not forget, Horcoff was the Oilers best forward until his shoulder injury.

As for Cogliano and Gagner, let's not rush them into permanent second line status just yet. They showed lots of potential with Nilsson, but that was with a line-up decimated by injuries. You and I might not like it, but the reality is there's going to be an adjustment in their roles and ice time when everyone is healthy.

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#24 Sean
June 09 2008, 10:54AM
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Robin, agree on Horcoff. Put simply, Zetterberg would light up Gagner in a playoff series. Against Horcoff, it would be a battle. His ability to play hard minutes is invaluable. What do you think it would take to get Spezza? Pitkanen, Cogliano and Torres?

I'm in the "land a home run or wait to see what you got crowd". There hasn't been much continuity in the lineup since the lockout.

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#25 Tom Syversen
June 09 2008, 10:57AM
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Wow, it would take a lot more than a gimpy Pitkanen to get Spezza. I'm not saying that Murray wouldn't like to trade Spezza (his ties to Emery are strong), but a package would have to be pretty sweet to get a #1 centre that is locked up for years. I'm definitely not a fan of the 3 Chevys for a Cadillac trades (re: the brutal Joe Thornton trade).

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#26 Rick
June 09 2008, 11:23AM
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Robin: I realize that trading for Spezza is only talk but hey, it's summer. Talk is all we have at this point and it was a name you threw out there.

Where I am coming from is that you have Horcoff down as an untouchable where as I figure it's a good question to ask that IF Lowe did get Spezza (or any other top calibre center), then what does that mean for him, not next year but beyond that?

Gagner is already being considered the future of the franchise so we can use pen in writing his name down for the long term. IF it was Spezza that was brought in then you have him for the next seven years as well.

Then in Horcoff's case you have a guy that is a free agent in 1 years time and will probably both demand and get 5 mil a year on a long term contract.

So in looking down the road a bit, if you kept Horcoff you would end up with about 13 mil in two centers with neither of them being Gagner, who is supposed to be one of the guys this team will be built around.

Horcoff would be a beauty on the second line next year but I still think he comes off the untouchable list after that because at the outside Gagner is probably two years away from being a fixture in one of the top two center spots and THAT is when signing Horcoff to a long term UFA contract bites Lowe in the ass.

Unless of course Gagner is brought along slowly on the 3rd line so he can learn to play good defensive hockey?

But if that was the case you should probably look at giving up the radio gig because Stauffer's head would explode under such a circumstance and that could prove very messy if you're in the room when it happens.

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#27 RobinB
June 09 2008, 11:24AM
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Tom: Like I said in my earlier comment, it'll probably take Pitkanen plus a top-9 forward and a prospect to land a top-3 guy like Spezza. You can fill in the blanks with the top-9 guy and the prospect based on Ottawa's needs.

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#28 Pete S
June 09 2008, 12:06PM
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If you can get a player like Spezza, for Pitkanen, lets say Torres and a prospect (Shremp or Jacques), please Lowe what are you waiting for!!

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#29 Jonathan
June 09 2008, 12:20PM
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No particular writing background (some academic writing), but thanks for the compliment ;)

As to going with the current group of defensemen, minus Pitkanen, chalk me up under the "Please, dear God, no!" group. I feel like a bit of a blog-tramp for putting up two links in the same comment section, but this is a detailed look at the current group:

http://coppernblue.blogspot.com/2008/06/case-for-another-defenseman.html

I really feel that if the playoffs are the goal next season, a decent shut-dwon defenseman is imperative.

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#30 Tom Syversen
June 09 2008, 12:41PM
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RobinB: You could be on to something. If Lowe dangled a top-6 F(long coveted by Murray, especially with Stillman unrestricted) then there's a chance a deal of that magnitude could work.

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#31 bdhs
June 09 2008, 01:20PM
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good to see Jonathan getting some recognition, always terrific stuff over there

I'm a little late to this but here's my two cents - is it possible they have Cogliano pegged for the #3 centre spot and they will bring in a Sykora type to play in the top six - less of a blockbuster move but then they have another year to evaluate Pitkanen and see if he can ever recover his prelockout form?

I would prefer a D with Joni - my thinking is that they use this year to evaluate these D and that either he or Grebs will get the longterm deal. The other gets moved. Same with Smid and Greene. A lot of attractive kids on their way up.

Robin - gut feeling regarding Horcoff? I believe a few months ago you wrote that they likely won't push to sign him this summer but that you could see them extending him once the season was underway. Still thinking that? Apologies beforehand if I'm misremembering, like Andy Pettite.

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#32 Tim S
June 09 2008, 02:18PM
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I like the idea of getting Spezza but I just don't see Ott willing to move him without a center coming back or having the chance to sign one as a free agent. Having said that maybe Ott makes the move and worries about it later because there is definetly something that is not right there.

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#33 Dennis
June 09 2008, 02:25PM
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All these people who try to predict the dates for the end of the world, one of these days those guys are going to be right.

I feel the same way when people start believing Lowe's springtime "quanity for quality" refrain.

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#34 bdhs
June 09 2008, 02:28PM
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btw - downey? definite screw loose there, I think he got all geared up, evrybody rolled their eyes and made a note not to make eye contact with him

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#35 bdhs
June 09 2008, 02:37PM
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Regarding all of the whispered issues about the Sens, Spezza is apparently part of the problem as well. I would think that Ottawa would think moving Emery might help solve that.

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#36 RobinB
June 09 2008, 02:37PM
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bdhs: My gut feeling on Horcoff is more about the situation than about him in particular. Oilers want an upgrade to play with Hemsky. They aren't going to yank Penner from that equation having just overpaid for him, so the natural guy to look at is Horcoff. If they pull off a deal for a No. 1 centre, like Spezza, Horcoff is fine as the No. 2 this season, but it does pose questions about his status down the road. My feeling is he's a MacTavish guy and the Oilers will do what it takes, within reason, to keep him for a season or two beyond his current deal -- if he's satisfied as a No. 2 guy. There's nothing wrong with Gagner being a No. 3 centre (plus PP time) for another two or three years. He's only 18.

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#37 Rick
June 09 2008, 03:00PM
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Not to beat a dead horse but although Gagner is only 18 if he progresses the way everyone hopes or even expects, he is only 2 years away from a very significant long term extension.

Assuming the trends in signing young stars in the league to lucrative long term contracts stays the course or worse yet offer sheets become more common place. Something else to consider I would think.

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#38 Oilergasm
June 09 2008, 04:55PM
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IMHO, If a deal is made ala Pitkanen for Spezza I would have to say that Horcoff is a requirement to go as well from Ottawa's POV. Same goes for the Marleau or Jokinen speculation.

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#39 Howin
June 09 2008, 05:01PM
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If I was Lowe, I would not even trade Pitkanen. Pitkanen had a bad season but this is his first year as an Oilers. Gilbert and Pitkanen are the 2 best defensemens the Oilers currently have right now. Pitkanen is still young and he was 1st rounder 4th overall pick. Spezza would be a great aquisition for the Oilers but I just dont see how in hell they can pull it off without trading some of their young talents. Im not a big fan of horcoff but he bind very well with hemsky last season. This current team made 9th place this year with a whole pile of new faces, I think next season this team can make the playoffs with no problem.

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#40 RobinB
June 09 2008, 05:10PM
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Rick: You are beating a dead horse. Yes, you have to plan ahead, but you are making certain assumptions about who will or won't be here two years from now when the make-up of a team can can change with one phone call.

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#41 ty
June 09 2008, 05:17PM
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what about something like redden for torres and pitkanen?

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#42 Tim S
June 09 2008, 05:23PM
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If you have a chance to get a top forward here right here and now who cares about what happens in 2 years. At some point we need to live in the now.

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#43 Dennis
June 09 2008, 09:41PM
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I just can't see the Sens moving Spezza without Horc going back the other way.

It wouldn't make sense on their part. They'd need to get Horc -- sign him longerm upon acquiring him, plus get one of our D because that's starting to thin of them as well. And another forward.

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#44 RobinB
June 09 2008, 10:31PM
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Ty: Give your head a shake. Redden is a UFA July 1, so the Oilers don't have to trade for him. Even if they did, I wouldn't trade Pitkanen straight up for Redden at this point in his career, let alone throw in Torres. You do not trade a player with the upside of Pitkanen, even with his shortcomings, for anything but a clue-chip player and Redden is a notch below that at this point in his career.

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#45 Rob
June 10 2008, 01:17PM
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We've heard repeatedly that the Red Wings are held in high regard due to their organizational patience. They have taken late picks and succeeded in developing those players by not rushing them to the NHL and demanding results too early. The list of players the Oilers have lost patience with is largely a function of a novice managment and coaching staff who don't understand how to build a team.

Ken Holland has also picked up players discarded by other organizations. (See Draper, Maltby and Cleary for 3 examples). The coaching staff then worked with those guys. The level of loyalty flows both ways as a result. What kind of loyalty do you think Lowe et al inspire around the league with his ham-handed tactics?

What's with this notion of trading 3 or 4 to 1 players and selling the farm to acquire a softy like Spezza? The guy has never showed up once in the playffs which is when it really matters. He has great talent but no heart therefore he'll never acquire a Hart. He will cost a bloody fortune and I don't think he would even come to E-town. Suggestions on a local radio show about getting rid of Pitkanen, Smid and a forward or two for Spezza is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard from someone not wearing a bib and aan adult diaper.

If they go after a top drawer guy they should go for the type of guy who is a leader and has all-league talent. Oh yeah right...first you have to find a GM who wants to get fired for letting such a player go. Bottom line there are no quick-fix shortcuts. I know it, you know it, but Kevin Lowe and Bob Stauffer don't seem to grasp it.

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#46 Death Metal Dennis
June 10 2008, 05:58PM
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Brownlee... comparing Glencross to Pouliot is a joke. Pouliot doesnt have the speed, the stamina, the guts or the hitting power to do anything close to him. Pouliot's crapped the bed consistently. then you bring up Reasoner later? Reasoner and Pouliot shouldnt even be in the NHL. say goodbye to Stortini's game too when Curtis jets town. he made that line consistently a forechecking powerhouse with this speed to keep the puck in the zone and play the boards strong. Storts just sat on the back of the hard work of Curtis and Brodziak like a parasite. sure, he's asking for too much but dont think that his contributions arent going to hurt the other SUB-PAR players in the bottom 6. if anyone needs to go for being overpaid its Pisani and Torres. id rather have Curtis over Pisani, who like Curtis, caught lightning in a bottle but is nowhere near as intense and got a pass because of chron's disease. sorry, not buying it. the dudes on his way out. keep Curtis and dump Pisani in a trade. Glencross can PK with his speed.

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#47 Jonathan
June 10 2008, 06:46PM
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Glencross can PK with his speed.

I'm going to ignore the nonsense about whether or not Pouliot belongs in the NHL, and just focus on this comment.

Has Glencross ever PK'ed? Not in Columbus, and not in Edmonton. He averaged two seconds per game short-handed this season, and frankly, if Hitchcock thinks he can't do it, that probably means more than your opinion.

Since we're on the subject, all of those talking about how much better on the forecheck Glencross is than Stortini, give your head a shake. Glencross is good, no doubt, but he averaged an identical hits/game number to Stortini.

Finally, looking at quality of competition:

http://www.behindthenet.ca/2007/basic_5_on_5.php?sort=7&mingp=&mintoi=&team=EDM&pos=F Glencross only played against the other team's 4th line. He made the most of it, but there's absolutely no evidence to date that he can effectively shut-down top opponents, which I would expect if he were to get 1.5M+

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#48 RobinB
June 10 2008, 08:35PM
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DeathMetalDennis: Pisani got a pass because of Crohn's disease? You're not buying it? Not buying what? He's a finalist for the Masterton Memorial Trophy for overcoming this career-threatening illness (ulcerative colitis). What a stupid thing to say. Jackass.

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#49 RobinB
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Rob: Your grasp of the facts is tenuous-- your playoff argument tells me so. Spezza has 39 points in 40 career playoff games, so how is it he has never shown up once?

I agree with Bob that Spezza makes sense because of Ottawa's circumstances and it will take Pitkanen, a top nine forward and another player or prospect to get him -- if the Sens do a deal at all.

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#50 Hockey Addict 101
June 10 2008, 09:13PM
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Robin and what players have the Oiler lost patience in Mac't coaching era have had success?

Can you name even three?

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