Let’s make a deal

Robin Brownlee
June 07 2008 11:37PM

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It's far more likely Edmonton Oilers GM Kevin Lowe will make a trade for a significant roster player at the 2008 Entry Draft than it is he'll swing a deal to move up from 22nd in selection order.

Lowe has never moved up, although it's not for lack of trying—he toasted his cell phone in 2003 trying to get a crack at Ryan Suter, Dion Phaneuf or Braydon Coburn before moving down to take Marc Pouliot over, ahem, Zach Parise.

With a glut of second- and third-line forwards and depth on defence, Lowe said his week he'd consider moving assets in a three-for-one or even four-for-one deal—a top-three forward is the target.

"It's a matter of me and the organization trying to do our best to manage the assets, improve the hockey team," he said.

"If that means getting into a situation where we move a couple, maybe three or four assets for one or two coming back, a player and a draft pick or something, that might be a good thing."

Joni Pitkanen is Lowe's best bargaining chip because there's still people around the NHL who don't laugh out loud when the phrase "future Norris Trophy candidate" is attached to his name.

Puck-movers who skate as well as Pitkanen are at a premium and the Oilers are in a position—assuming Sheldon Souray doesn't slip and fall in the shower and Tom Gilbert and Denis Grebeshkov continue to develop—to shop him in a package and see what the returns might be.

A source in the east who I know and trust says there's already been inquiries about Pitkanen. That doesn't mean Lowe has something on the table, but the schmoozing that went on at a meeting of GMs last week is bound to turn into more substantial talks by draft time.

As for possibilities, I'm with Team 1260 loudmouth Bob Stauffer in thinking the Ottawa Senators are prime candidates as trading partners. The name being mentioned, of course, is Jason Spezza.

More in coming days...

Done Deals

Lowe trades leading up to and at the draft.

June 24, 2006: Acquire 3rd round pick in 2006 (Theo Peckham) from Atlanta for a 3rd round pick and 7th round pick in 2006.

June 21, 2003: Trade 17th overall pick to New Jersey for the 22nd pick (Pouliot) and the 68th pick (J.F. Jacques).

June 23, 2002: Jochen Hecht to Buffalo for the 31st pick (Jeff Deslauriers) and the 36th pick (forward Jarret Stoll) in 2002. Trade the 14th pick to Montreal for the 15th pick (Jesse Niinimaki) and the 245th pick (Tomas Micka).

June 18, 2002: Trade a third-round choice in 2003 and a conditional selection in 2004 to Philadelphia for Jiri Dopita.

June 24, 2000: Roman Hamrlik to the New York Islanders for Josh Green, Eric Brewer and New York's second pick (Brad Winchester) in 2000.

June 12, 2000: Fifth-round draft choice in 2000 to Nashville for Patrick Cote.

Just Asking

  • What was Aaron Downey doing after Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final guzzling champagne in Detroit's dressing room while wearing equipment? Downey didn't play, so what's with the gear? Did the equipment crew spray on fake sweat, too?
  • Why did people insist on comparing the Penguins to the 1983 Oilers? As Glen Sather told Jim Matheson in the Journal last week, it's a bogus angle. Three seasons from now, 2010–11, there won't be more than six players remaining from the team that lost to Detroit.
  • Why would the Oilers pay Curtis Glencross more than $1 million when they have a cheaper, younger alternative—with more upside—like Pouliot in the mix? Enjoy Florida or Carolina, Curtis.
  • What is it, exactly, Craig MacTavish sees in Marty Reasoner? As MacT said last week, "I want Marty back!" It's so mind-boggling, I'm tempted to go for an MRI to see if I've lost my brain.

—Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 5pm on Total Sports with Bob Stauffer on Team 1260.

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#51 TravisDakin
June 10 2008, 10:50PM
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Cleary, Chimera, Conklin, Lupul, Hecht, Thorenson. Lost patience or not, they have all gone on to have more productive or successful careers after being here.

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#52 Hockey Addict 101
June 11 2008, 08:31AM
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Cleary - Admitted to having huge personal issues which hurt his career which hurt him. Finally came around and restored his career. Good for him but little to do with Mact?

Lupul - MacT gave up on him? When? Lowe felt he had to give something to get something?

Conklin - He had another good run as an injury replacement. Same as here. He was a backup during the playoffs again. He played 39 as an Oiler and 33 in Pittsburgh. How is that better?

Chimera - That's one.

Hecht - I guess he did have 14 more points in Buffalo as he did here (people often he has been so much more productive but not really) but he was traded because he wasn't happy here not because MacT gave up on him.

Thorenson - is a utility player and was a utility player here. He hasn't been more productive.

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#53 Robin B
June 11 2008, 09:51AM
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101: If you've got all the answers, why ask the question? You do this time after time on seemingly every issue.

Chimera is one.

Hecht IS two. He's produced more points in five of his six seasons in Buffalo than he did here and the lone exception was because he missed almost half a season. And he would have been "happy" here had MacT played him more.

Lupul is three. He wasn't good enough here, but MacT didn't stick with him in anywhere nar the same way he's given countless other players chance after chance.

There are others, but to be fair, there are examples of players MacTavish has given every opprtunity to and Cleary is one of them.

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#54 jdrevenge
June 11 2008, 12:35PM
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Schremp has been with the organization for how long? i think they show enough patience. the braintrust in detroit excels at picking up former first round draft picks and turning them into role players and drafting gems in the 9th round. Its unfair to say that they show extreme patience with picks. when was the last time Detroit groomed one of their own first rounders into nhlers? I cant rattle a single one off. jakob kindl might be the first in long time.

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#55 OregonStateFan
June 11 2008, 01:00PM
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There's also no guarantee that "giving up" on a player that isn't producing is going to make them that much more productive later on (I'm not saying that luck doesn't swing the other way either, as Robin and 101 already pointed out). The Oil's coaching staff (I'd like to say just MacT but I'd like to think he does have assistant coaches for a reason) wants to see players consistent in their roles.

If you're a checking line player, you should be keeping your +/- in the plus category consistently, not the minus.

If you're a scoring line forward, you should be putting up points in a consistent manner.

If you're a defenseman, you should be putting in solid minutes without brain farts (see why Marc Andre Bergeron was traded).

It's a pretty simple formula for a fan to follow, and outside of strategic trades, you can always see why a developing player is let-go/traded. Developing players are always gambles - you let them go and maybe they develop and they develop into solid NHLers, superstars if you're really unlucky (Ray Whitney in his prime comes to mind). Then again, maybe they're Jason Bonsignore and can't decide if they want to play hockey or not.

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#56 Rick
June 11 2008, 01:36PM
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jdrevenge: The reason Detroit hasn't groomed many of their first round picks is because they hardly ever pick in the first round to begin with.

Since 1997 they have only used 4 of their first round picks with 2 being in the last 3 years (too early to tell if they will pan out) and the other two being Fischer and Kronwall. Both clearly NHLer's.

As far as Detroit showing patience, take a peak at when alot of their players actually enter the NHL. Using Schremp as a comparison it could be said that if he was drafted by Detroit the expectations of him cracking the NHL would be for this upcoming season, based on organizational history on when alot of their picks actually get a real shot with the big club.

I think that this is one of the luxury's that Detroit enjoys by drafting well out of Europe. For the most part their prospects are out of sight and out of mind while they develop for the first few years after being drafted.

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#57 jdrevenge
June 11 2008, 02:29PM
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Rick

I understand what you're saying and i didnt know that about the team. after looking on hockeys future for a while i wasnt able to find alot of first rounders with the organization. My point was that the oilers staff has shown patience with alot of guys as robin has mentioned. the problem from what i can see is that the staff was maybe inexperienced and drafted poorly up until the past few seasons. they seem to have sather disease and enjoy playing the long shot.

I'm a little confused as to whos expendable now that the oilers and glenx have reopened negotiations. if he signs who leaves?

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#58 Rob
June 11 2008, 03:50PM
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R.B.- 'grasp of facts tenuous... I didn't allege fact. I do what 99% of the people on this site do...I express opinion based on being a fan since day one. I usually attend 10 or so games a yr and watch the rest on the tube That's it. I don't have the access of a reporter so I can't meet the standard of your expertise. I have never been impressed by Spezza in terms of being a robust and intense contributor. Period. I see Spezza in somewhat the same way you see Pitkanen and Penner and reject him in the same subjective manner. He impresses me as a very soft guy who has survived on skill but will never be a leader. Never been impressed with Spezza. Talent is not the issue with him, he has it. For me competitivness is the issue. That's all I'm suggesting. To me the attraction of this site is the exchange ideas however wacky and the chance to learn something from people who should be in the know.

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#59 RobinB
June 11 2008, 05:22PM
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Rob: Yes you did allege fact by saying he never shows up in the playoffs. That's saying he's been a dog when it matters most. That's not the case.

You use words like robust and intense when it comes to assessing Spezza and I agree -- in my opinion he doesn't bring either. That said, team building takes all kinds and Spezza is a highly-skilled player who produces. If you saw the item I wrote on Ryan Malone, then you know I put a lot of stock in the very two attributes you mentioned. But that doesn't mean every player has to be a blood-and-guts guy to be effective and valuable. Spezza won't go down in history as one of hockey's great leaders or a fire and brimstone guy, but if I can get him for a package of players that doesn't cripple my roster and he gets me 80-90 points year, I don't care if he says his favourite movie is Sex in the City and he wears panties under his gear.

You might see Spezza the way I see Pitkanen, but we didn't arrive at our conclusions the same way. You draw your conclusions as a fan who, as you said, attends 10 or so games a year and watches the rest on the tube.

Before I offer an opinion on a player, I watch him play. I watch him practice. I watch him interact with his teammates. I talk to coaches, past and present, and teammates about him. I see that player in the rink, in the hotels, in the restaurants. Big difference.

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#60 jdrevenge
June 11 2008, 06:16PM
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Its getting hot in hurrrrrrr...

If spezza is offered up in a deal any club would be stupid not to take a serious look. the kid can toughen up hes only 25.

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#61 RobinB
June 11 2008, 09:31PM
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JD: I don't know, yet, if the Senators are willing to make Spezza available. They certainly aren't shopping him.

It's the circumstances, as I've said before, that make this a possibility. The Sens will need at least one Dman when they lose Redden and the Oilers, as Lowe has said, are interested in upgrading up front -- likely in the top three, not just the top six.

As for Spezza toughening up, I'm not so sure he isn't plenty tough already. I don't get to see him play much anymore, but he could be very tough in the way Hemsky is tough -- he takes a lot of crap without backing down. He won't ever be an aggressive player, but that's OK. If I'm a coach or GM, I don't want my 80-90-point guy doing the dirty work

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#62 tikkanenfan
June 11 2008, 10:30PM
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hey robin,

Bob had mentioned the Oilers throwing in Smid with Pitkanen to get Spezza. If so what would you think of the Oil signing Jason Smith to play on the third pairing with Matt Greene and PK as shutdown guys? Oilers could use some toughness, and if Smith played half of last season with no shoulders that would explain the drop off in his play. He would be a good fit until Pekham and Chorney are ready, keeping Roy as number 7 for now.

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#63 fyvmvv
June 11 2008, 11:40PM
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Robin - Other than Hossa who might the Oilers (forward presumably) have a shot at in the ufa market? Someone who might actually look seriously at the Oil. They said on the Spin tonight that Jokinen is on his way out of Fla. vi and may be headed for Calgary or Columbus. I've heard negative comments about Jokinen but could he fit here?

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#64 RobinB
June 12 2008, 06:43AM
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tikkanenfan: We've talked about this before here and you're right in one regard -- Smith could be a fit because of his leadership and toughness, but even when healthy he's limited at this point in his career. Tough to use a roster spor for the old captain now.

fyvmvv: I don't expect the Oilers to be players on the UFA market. By the way, the Oilers have no real shot at Marian Hossa. He wants to play for a Cup contender and the Oilers aren't that right now. As for Jokinen, he's one of those names that's perpetually out there in trade talks. He's been "on his way out or Florida" for years now, hasn't he?

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#65 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 10:23AM
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The Oilers are in a pretty unique position this summer, given that all of their supposed depth rides on the backs of first or second year guys or guys outperforming themselves. Such as Cogs, Gags, Nilsson, Smid, Grebs, Gilbert, Garon, Stortini. The other side of that has their veterans either coming off of injuries or poor seasons. See Stoll, Torres, Pitkanen, Moreau, Pisani, Souray, Horcoff, Roloson.

So at this point if Lowe is selling to rival GM's how does he pitch this? The only guys he would be able to guarantee to other GMs would be guys that completed full seasons, at or around their previous performances. Hemsky, Penner, Pouliot... Not likely. Pouliot might leave for a 2nd rounder. Penner is staying put or Lowe looks like an idiot. Hemsky is a no brainer.

Bryan Murray doesnt like Lowe in the first place so how does he feel about taking on some maybes in Torres, Stoll, Pitkanen, Schremp, Smid. I'm going to say not very good. The Oilers would be better suited to hang on to the team and let the performances of the players speak for themselves mid season. Teams are increasingly likely to overpay for players as the deadline draws nearer later in the season.

I'm of the mindset that the Oilers will either end up sitting on their players until later in the year or swapping some fringe players and third liners and maybe adding that veteran d guy that waits for Souray to injure himself.

This barring Lowe finds a way to sucker punch some GM for some legit talent or some maybes coming back. Neither of which would do Lowe any good as hes finally in a position to sit on a team for 2-3 years and let the players possibly reach their potential while comfortably having players around to fill in if some are slumping.

If I were looking around I'd be interested in maybe picking up Jeff Carter for Stoll. Oil have trade history here. Carter is not a third line center and Stoll is. The Oil have the depth to fill in for Stoll and the Flyers could do without Carter.

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#66 RobinB
June 12 2008, 10:55AM
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JD: Carter for Stoll and who else? The Flyers would laugh out loud and hang up if you came looking for Carter with only Stoll to offer. It would take more than that.

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#67 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 11:52AM
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Fair enough. add any of the players we've been discussing for the past couple of weeks.

Not dissing the speculation you guys were making. i like what you post and spezza makes me salivate. i just took some time and sat and played gm for a minute. this is what i would be trying to get.

No idea who we would throw their way other than stoll. we're not super deep on the left and it looks like the flyers might be looking for one...raff...nilsson...maybe...?

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#68 OILERSORDEATH
June 12 2008, 12:16PM
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Dont you guys think Pouliot was starting to show something toward the latter half? I think SToll, Pisani, and Torres need to be gone, those guys were killin me all season. I know they had injuries and all but I think they are all very replacable players.

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#69 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 12:59PM
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before i get lit up id like to retract my nilsson raff statement. flyers need d so maybe smid. hearing that the nuckleheads are also interested.

i think he'd be a better fit as hes a shooting center and we dont seem to have any of those. cogs might turn out that way but hes too young yet...

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#70 Rick
June 12 2008, 01:05PM
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jdrevenge: I wouldn't retract the Nilsson statement. When talking about expectations and the fear of getting seduced by what the kids did at the end of the year I think Nilsson is the best candidate to come out and disappoint in September.

If it dealing him would in part get a higher end proven player I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger myself.

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#71 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 01:15PM
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True but i think Nilsson would be untouchable as part of the fab four. He was just signed to a super inexpensive deal and his defensive play would project him into a poor mans jere lehtinen i would think.

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#72 Tim S
June 12 2008, 03:43PM
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I don't want to use the word disappoint but I think it is Cogliano who takes the step backwards next season.

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#73 RobinB
June 12 2008, 04:04PM
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JD: Did I fall down the stairs and hit my head or did you say Nilsson's defensive play projects him to a poor mans Jere Lehtinen?

I don't mean to keep nagging you, but that's overstatement in the extreme. Nilsson made strides in defensive play and consistency to the point where he's no longer a hand grenade with the pin pulled in his own end, but he can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Lethinen, a Selke Trophy winner. Not even remotely close.

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#74 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 04:37PM
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No worries Robin.

I'm not saying that he is him or is close to him at this point. I saw plays that he was making after his call back that made me believe he will in 5 years be as sound as lehtinen. Plays that not even the veterans were making. He is a very heady player. Hence the projection.

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#75 RobinB
June 12 2008, 04:57PM
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jd: Nilsson was a minus player in his first four pro seasons before finishing plus-8 this season. Lehtinen's single-season best was plus-39 in 2002-03 and he's plus-183 for his career.

If Nilsson hits double-digits as a plus player in any three of the next five seasons, I promise you that Wanye Gretz will pay you $1,000. OK?

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#76 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 05:13PM
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Are you kidding me Robin? come on. Hes young...I will take your bet good sir. Gretz you can pretty much write the checque just dont write the date just yet haha.

I'll be in Montreal next year so I'll pay your postage.

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#77 jdrevenge
June 12 2008, 05:19PM
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What if he ends up in Detroit next year?

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#78 Rob
June 13 2008, 10:54AM
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I have to save some of these prognostications and bring them out and review them in the fall. I can't believe some of the suggestions. Like for instance, who is going to tank on the Oilers 6-8 months from now? Who freaking knows? How negative do you have to be to think like that? Has someone discovered a new drug? What ever else it does, it seems to have revved up people's creative juices. Whatever it does it seems to suspend common sense.

If Lowe is smart he won't do anything rash until at least the mid-season point. At which point I wouldn't be surprised to see Horcoff gone at the trade deadline. My guess is he may end up in Detroit. He has major personal ties to Michigan. I've never seen such a propensity by so-called fans to start wishing talent players out of town after a year or less in the organization. By my reckoning we have yet to take a run at trading Hemsky, Souray Cogliano and Gilbert. How long do you think it will be before some wanna-be GM/blogger suggests Gagner should be gone too? Get a grip, get a life and take your kids camping or something. We all need to get out of the house more! If there were something concrete developing in the summer that's one thing but...The reason I suspect drug use on some peoples part is the suggestion that someone is going to take one of or a combination of Stoll Torres Pisani etc etc for some top o'the line player. Nonsense. The Oil need to fire or light a fire under their scouting extablishment and do a much better job.

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#79 Jonathan
June 13 2008, 11:55AM
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I think SToll, Pisani, and Torres need to be gone, those guys were killin me all season. I know they had injuries and all but I think they are all very replacable players.

I love thinking like this. Stoll, Pisani and Torres all played the toughest opponents on the other team, allowing Cogliano, Gagner, Nilsson, Brodziak, Glencross, et al. to play soft opponents and not get blown out of the water.

Because nobody would be talking about how great the kid-line was if they'd been the ones playing against the Iginlas and Gaboriks of the world. Having decent veterans (both Pisani and Torres qualified last season, btw) who can limit chances by top opposition is a crucial part in development, because it allows the kids to get their feet wet without getting toasted.

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#80 Jonathan
June 13 2008, 11:56AM
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The Oil need to fire or light a fire under their scouting extablishment and do a much better job.

Because God knows that producing players like Cogliano and Gagner is going to get you nowhere fast.

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#81 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 12:45PM
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Robin man relax. you and stauf were the ones that came up with the Spezza deal. Unless you're just suggesting that all of us (including yourself) need something better to do as its summer time. We're all armchair GMs...

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#82 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 12:46PM
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** That was "rob relax"... Robins giving me $1000 dollars in five years.

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#83 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 01:18PM
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I'm hungover. sorry robin. lol.

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#84 RobinB
June 13 2008, 02:14PM
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jd: See how quick you were to assume it was me playing cloakroom monitor and setting you straight?

And if Nilsson's in Detroit, there's no bet and Wanye is off the hook. By the way, what exactly are you giving me when Nilsson doesn't deliver?

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#85 Rob
June 13 2008, 02:37PM
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Jonathan - The Oil have sucked for the last 2 yrs. Apart from gag/cog how is their drafting record? Their 1st rounders can't even make a team that has both sucked and suffered more injuries than Custer's troops. You may be taking you're press clippings a little too seriously.

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#86 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 02:39PM
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As i stated in my most recent post last nights debauchery got the best of me...beers, apparently, adversely effect my eyesight.

Since you're selling Wayne out i think I'll do the same and hand over his title as Oilersnation.com domineer, if, Nilsson cant make it to +10 three of the next five seasons. I pray he'll play the left on the top line next year.... I couldn't do that to wayne...

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#87 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 02:47PM
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The oil have also traded for some pretty solid prospects over the last few years.

Scouting is scouting is scouting

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#88 Rob
June 13 2008, 03:05PM
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JDR-If you can't see the difference between trading and drafting, any further discussion is pointless.

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#89 jdrevenge
June 13 2008, 03:17PM
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Looks to me like they know what they're doing now. Had some tough early years but they bet right on Hemsky, Stoll, Gagner, Cogliano, Pisani.

How is trading for Torres, Gilbert, Nilsson, Grebeshkov when they were as young as they were not scouting? You watch a player play analyse the player and then decide that he would fit with your team. the only difference is you arent taking a chance on an 18 year old kid with no track record. I would say that the ability to scout older players is more important to an NHL organization than the ability to roll the dice on an 18 year old. Which the Oilers are not bad at... not great but not bad. See Detroit...

The draft is a crapshoot...

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#90 fyvmvv
June 13 2008, 03:48PM
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JDR - With all due respect..it IS scouting. Scouting is involved whether drafting or trading. My point is in any given draft year the team may draft 6-7 players. They enter the development pipeline. Some make it, some don't. When you trade for a player or players, you, by necessity give something up going the other way. Not only are trading and drafting not the same they say different things about the previous draft record of the team in question. You build from the draft and you fine tune with astute trades. That is my humble opinion.

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#91 Jonathan
June 13 2008, 07:05PM
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Jonathan - The Oil have sucked for the last 2 yrs. Apart from gag/cog how is their drafting record? Their 1st rounders can’t even make a team that has both sucked and suffered more injuries than Custer’s troops. You may be taking you’re press clippings a little too seriously.

Yes let's look at their 1st rounders:

2007 - Gagner, Plante, Nash. Gagner's been amazing, and Nash looks like a keeper after a nice NCAA year. Plante was injured most of the season.

2006 - none, 1st pick was Jeff Petry @ 45. Petry is ranked as the #1 prospect af HF and looks like a solid option going forward

2005 - Cogliano. Had an impressive rookie year.

2004- Dubnyk & Schremp. Dubnyk had some bumps in the road in his first AHL season, and Schremp is still a decent prospect after his best pro season.

2003- Pouliot. Pouliot, while one of the few iffy 1st rounders in the '03 draft, has spent significant time on the team in the last two years.

2002- Niinimaki. Unmitigated disaster.

2001- Hemsky. 1st line RW and possibly the most talented player on the team.

So of the 9 players selected, 1 is a complete bust, 5 are still decent prospects, and 3 are NHL'ers. Really fairly respectable. Add to that some later picks turning out good, and we see a good job by the scouting department.

Incidentally, I've done a series on every draft pick under Kevin Lowe over he past two months, so it's hardly a case of "You may be taking you’re press clippings a little too seriously".

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#92 fyvmvv
June 14 2008, 12:07AM
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Jonathan - I am not inclined to be quite as optimistic as you seem to be on some of the guys the Oil have drafted. I'm rather more pissed off with the players they have recently passed up in the draft. For example, would Getzlaf or Parise play and develop like Pouliot? Part-time AHLer/4th liner? What was that decision based on? The phases of the moon, a moving story or poor scouting? I think some scout fell in love with Pouliot because he played hard on a shitty junior team. Big deal. Another bad decision on an underdog player. Where would we be if the Oilers had either of those 2 players? With E-town's poor reputation throughout the league (deserved or not) I think they are going to have to develop through the draft more than other teams because UFA's show little interest in coming to Alberta. I live here and I love it but I guess I just don't get their issue with living here for 8 months and making more ducats in one year than the last 3 generations of my whole family. RFA's are way too expensive with 3 or maybe more draft picks and a box car of cash to get them here. Souray and Penner are prairie boys who are no strangers to life here and they got paid way more than they are worth just because of the E-town factor. I don't see them refunding money back because they are from here. For players who absolutely have to have a palm tree in their back yard Edmonton will never be on their radar. Frankly I question Lowe's effect on getting players to sign here with his record of bickering and public conflicts with players and agents. Currently this organization has way too many tweeners and the team has to get much better. Read more skilled. If that is going to happen the Oiler mgmt and the fans are going to have drop this 'push the underdog mentality' and allow the team to get much more skilled. Some people are going to have to go(Reasoner). We will have to stop idealizing(Torres) and overvaluing(Pisani) these guys and putting them on some sort of pedestal(Stoll). Is this about winning hockey or keeping traffic pylons on the team for 'Auld Lang Sine'.

So polish up your crystal ball and view it through your rose-coloured glasses if you must, oh sagacious one...we shall see what we shall see. There is a world of if's in your point of view. Obviously recent drafts are better. Even by your own tally you have to admit that prior to the last 2-3 years you can go a long way back to find 1st round success stories. Happy hockey pucks.

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#93 jdrevenge
June 14 2008, 01:09PM
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Fyvmvv - I said it was scouting.

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#94 Jonathan
June 14 2008, 11:09PM
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For example, would Getzlaf or Parise play and develop like Pouliot? Part-time AHLer/4th liner? What was that decision based on? The phases of the moon, a moving story or poor scouting? I think some scout fell in love with Pouliot because he played hard on a shitty junior team. Big deal. Another bad decision on an underdog player.

An "underdog" player that was a consensus first round pick, by people like Redline Report, The Hockey News, Bob McKenzie, etc. This wasn't an off the charts selection, it just didn't work out and the Oilers were hardly the only ones who had him that high.

You say we should have picked Getlaf or Parise. I agree. That said, I'd argue that all teams miss - Anaheim, for example, took Stanislav Chistov 5th overall in 2001, eight spots before Hemsky, and passed on Jack Johnson, Carey Price, Anze Kopitar and Marc Staal to take Bobby Ryan 2nd in 2005.

I imagine you'd be saying the same thing if the Cogliano pick at 25 had failed. "I imagine some scout fell in love with a fast small competitive kid, not realizing that he wasn't as good as he looked because he played against inferior competition in the OJHL." Some picks wqork out, others don't. The Oilers percentage is pretty good.

So polish up your crystal ball and view it through your rose-coloured glasses if you must, oh sagacious one…we shall see what we shall see. There is a world of if’s in your point of view. Obviously recent drafts are better. Even by your own tally you have to admit that prior to the last 2-3 years you can go a long way back to find 1st round success stories. Happy hockey pucks.

Yes, I'm quite the incurable optimist. I'm practically shouting from rooftops that if the Oilers don't pick up a top-4 defenseman, the playoffs are really iffy, and I rip Lowe for all kinds of sins. As to that "world of ifs"- what ifs?

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