Oilers Trade Garon to Pittsburgh

Jonathan Willis
January 17 2009 01:55PM

Well, we’ve seen the first real trade of the Steve Tambellini era. In a time where NHL goaltenders are being dropped for nothing on the waiver wire (Sanford) or garnering no more than a 7th round pick (Labarbera), Tambellini actually managed to bring in a decent return. Here’s the trade:

To Pittsburgh: Mathieu Garon

To Edmonton: Dany Sabourin, Ryan Stone, 4th Round Pick

First, from Pittsburgh’s perspective, they obviously believe that Garon has the potential to play better than he has this past season. Garon had a strong game last night against Colorado, and started the year well, but there has been obvious friction between him and the coaching staff, especially goaltending coach Pete Peeters. Pittsburgh’s struggled with poor goaltending all season; Marc-Andre Fleury’s .905 SV% isn’t nearly as good as it needs to be, while veteran backup Dany Sabourin is four games below .500 and has an .898 SV%. Garon is in the final season of a two-year, 1.1M/season contract, and although he’s posted a .895 SV% this season, the past two years he’s had a .907 SV% and .913 SV%. This is a good opportunity for Garon to get back on track on a very talented team.

As far as I can tell, Dany Sabourin is on a one-way contract, albeit one that will pay him a very modest 512K this season, which is its final year. I think that he is sent down to Springfield, where he should help spell the extremely over-worked Devan Dubnyk, and solidify Springfield’s goaltending situation. Sabourin’s an average NHL backup (hovering around the .900 SV% mark the last three seasons) but he’s been excellent in the AHL, topping the .920 SV% mark his last three seasons there. By comparison, Dubnyk’s played nearly every game for Springfield, posting a .903 SV% this season. Additionally, Sabourin serves as built in insurance if Jeff Deslauriers falters over more games.

Ryan Stone is the key player coming back. He was a second-round pick in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft, and likely would have been picked higher if not for a concussion that affected his season. Here’s what the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette said about him after his selection:

Stone explained his resume in similar terms. Asked how many of his two dozen fights he had lost, he replied: "I haven't lost too many." Despite narrowly missing being a first-round pick, Stone is a project. His top priority, as he allowed, is improving his skating, a common criticism among scouts. Stone is viewed as a player in the mold of Brad May or Darren McCarty, owning the potential to develop his skills to a respectable level and having the edge to create enough room for himself to make it happen. He is versatile, having spent time on left wing and the power-play point. He also has been praised for helping Brandon win at least two playoff rounds in each of his two years there.

Stone is a restricted free agent after this season. He hasn’t scored at a high level in the AHL; back in 2006-07 he was on pace for his best season offensively when a nasty hand injury forced him out of the line-up. He is a very physical player, not shy about fighting, and is widely regarded as a two-way forward.

The 4th round pick is, as Lowetide says “another bullet in the gun”, but by itself it is a better return than Los Angeles got for the very comparable Jason Labarbera.

The only way I can see this trade is as a hands-down win for the Edmonton Oilers, and also for Mathieu Garon. Anybody who thought they were going to get more than this is greatly overvaluing Garon; in fact, if you’d told me yesterday that this trade was going to happen, I wouldn’t have believed it.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 05:03PM
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How long till the Oil need to make a decision on sending Sabourin down and possibly losing him on waivers?? If trade #2 is in the works I hope it involves Penner...he has been useless and slow for far to long. I hope we can trade him to NYI and maybe pick up a good center if they have one??

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#52 volfman
January 17 2009, 05:10PM
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Unless you want comrie NYI's got nothing. There's a reason for why they suck.

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#53 Fiveandagame
January 17 2009, 05:11PM
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@ CurtisS: Sanbourin is either on waivers or being traded so he won't be on the books for long. And someone will pick him up either way. and we'll have 48 contracts.

Some people are impossible to please.

This gives the team far more flexibility in terms of in house roster moves or another trade.

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#54 CurtisS
January 17 2009, 05:22PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

What do you think Garon's value to the Oilers would be if Roli went down to injury??

Just curious your answer.

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#55 volfman
January 17 2009, 05:26PM
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@ CurtisS: ZERO, if he can't stop pucks.

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#56 jeanshorts
January 17 2009, 05:26PM
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volfman wrote:

Unless you want comrie NYI’s got nothing. There’s a reason for why they suck.

DOUG...WEIGHT.

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#57 Travis Dakin
January 17 2009, 05:31PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

volfman wrote: Unless you want comrie NYI’s got nothing. There’s a reason for why they suck. DOUG…WEIGHT.

It would be awesome if Comrie got traded here. Hilarious.

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#58 volfman
January 17 2009, 05:38PM
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@ jeanshorts: it actually would be nice to see Doug weight finish his career in edmonton. but I really don't think a 38 year at the end of his career would be enough for pennner.

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#59 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 05:42PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

DOUG…WEIGHT

BINGO!

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#60 jeanshorts
January 17 2009, 05:43PM
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@ volfman:

Oh no definitely not for Penner. I was just making an observation that there was at least one other decent asset that the Isle's have that the Oilers are looking for.

As terrible has Penner has been lately, he still does have upside. But good luck unloading him to anyone while he's still under that ridiculous contract. We are stuck with him so we might as well try and find a silver lining, and just hope that either a new coach comes in and straightens him out, or something sparks him and he can do it on his own.

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#61 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 05:47PM
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I'm pretty sure we could get Weight and another player and possibly a draft pick for Penner. I heard a couple weeks ago that when Burke took over in TO that he didn't like Euro's. Does To have a center that is European and need a back-up or a piano dragging neanderthal?

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#62 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 05:48PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

or something sparks him

I don't think his house being on fire would excite this guy!!

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#63 volfman
January 17 2009, 05:49PM
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@ jeanshorts: You might have something there with the new coach idea. Hmmm, Yep.

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#64 jeanshorts
January 17 2009, 05:53PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

Does To have a center that is European and need a back-up or a piano dragging neanderthal?

Antropov and Grabovski. And I don't think the Leafs want to part with either of them. For Penner anyway. But who knows. And I don't really know if either of those guys address any of our issues. We already have a lot of speedy, offensive centremen.

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#65 Ned
January 17 2009, 06:10PM
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I hate to keep banging this drum but yet another player who did very well when he first arrived suddenly fell through a crack in the ice never to be seen again. Yet another player with considerable capabilities is sacrificed by an Oiler organization that he can't get along with. This time it's Pete Peeters. Can someone refresh my memory on what exactly he accomplished during his career? Yet again we see the Oil executives hand a player a fistful of change of address cards and then they kiss him off. I'll stick my neck out here and predict Garon goes to the Pitt and kicks ass. (After that a-hole coach is replaced that is.) Go Mathieu and good luck to you!

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#66 me
January 17 2009, 06:11PM
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@ CurtisS:

So we should keep three goaltenders just in case one of them gets injured?

Roloson was not going to be traded.

They didn't want to trade JDD.

Garon was the only logical choice.

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#67 me
January 17 2009, 06:13PM
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@ Ned:

Garon was outplayed and lost his job!

Just compare the save percentages between Roloson and Garon.

Enough said.

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#68 Travis Dakin
January 17 2009, 06:14PM
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Ned wrote:

Can someone refresh my memory on what exactly he accomplished during his career?

Named to American Hockey League All-Star Second Team, 1978-79. Shared (with Robbie Moore) Harry "Hap" Holmes Memorial Trophy, 1978-79. Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1980. Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1981. Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1983. Went thirty-one games without a loss, 1982-83. Named to National Hockey League All-Star First Team, 1982-83. Winner, Vezina Trophy, 1983. Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1984. Named National Hockey League Player of the Week, October 29, 1984. Named National Hockey League Player of the Month (8-3-1, 2.21 GAA, .926 SV), November 1990.

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#69 deep oil
January 17 2009, 06:16PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@ CurtisS: Absolutley a hands down win. This wasn’t a deal to fix the needs in all areas. It was a dwal to fix the three goalie system, which it did. And if you read what Willis said, Goalies aren’t getting sh*t in trades right now, and Garon would have walked at the end of the season for nothing so getting as much as we did, is a clear win. Garon sucks, which is why this will be his fourth team and now we have more room to address the other needs you are so concerned about.

Garon was gone at the end of the year and if you want him back it is UFA time - so your argument is not valid - you will get nothing until the trade deadline then the value coming back skyrockets

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#70 Travis Dakin
January 17 2009, 06:17PM
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deep oil wrote:

Garon was gone at the end of the year and if you want him back it is UFA time - so your argument is not valid

Uh.... that is EXACLTY what I said.

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#71 deep oil
January 17 2009, 06:18PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

I’m pretty sure we could get Weight and another player and possibly a draft pick for Penner. I heard a couple weeks ago that when Burke took over in TO that he didn’t like Euro’s. Does To have a center that is European and need a back-up or a piano dragging neanderthal?

weight and a pick would be a steal allowing us to be rid of the penner $$$$ responsbility - deals mid season are for the picking if you have cap room - screw UFA season - try disgruntled player or bankrupt team season

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#72 n00b1aNpR1n(355
January 17 2009, 06:24PM
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Where is wanye today? Did he survive last night? To those who went check your frontyards and porches

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#73 Dave
January 17 2009, 06:39PM
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CurtisS wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: What do you think Garon’s value to the Oilers would be if Roli went down to injury?? Just curious your answer.

That is a completely pointless question, CurtisS. If Roli went down, they would go with JDD and call up Sabourin, if he is still around, or Dubnyk.

You comment is only one step short of saying What would Garon be worth to the Oilers if the team charter crashed and everyone died. He would be worth so much more then. Give it a rest, dude.

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#74 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 06:41PM
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First it's get rid of Mac-t(for the record i agree), then it's get rid of Lowe, now it's get rid of Peeters and Joey Moss?? Maybe Peeters saw something in Garon that we didn't see...he did lose his job outright to a 39 year old. Maybe his work ethic sucked...kinda follows suit with a few others on this team. Lately I think we have all seen sparks of what this team can do, and now this goalie situation is over (temporary) it opens some doors for future moves. I hope moving one or two players will light some fires because they all can't be lucky and get traded to Pittsburgh.

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#75 R-DAWG
January 17 2009, 06:42PM
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So if Phoenix goes under do think Gretzky would coach here??

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#76 Dropping Deuces
January 17 2009, 07:37PM
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If you have a 3 headed goalie monster, does that mean they share the same body?

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#77 Bruce
January 17 2009, 08:51PM
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JeanShorts: Antropov = speedy, offensive centreman? Nik Antropov?? Have you ever seen him skate?

Neither have I.

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#78 Polie Reddik
January 17 2009, 09:30PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

First it’s get rid of Mac-t(for the record i agree), then it’s get rid of Lowe, now it’s get rid of Peeters and Joey Moss?? Maybe Peeters saw something in Garon that we didn’t see…he did lose his job outright to a 39 year old. Maybe his work ethic sucked…kinda follows suit with a few others on this team. Lately I think we have all seen sparks of what this team can do, and now this goalie situation is over (temporary) it opens some doors for future moves. I hope moving one or two players will light some fires because they all can’t be lucky and get traded to Pittsburgh.

Peters was a standup goalie where as Garon and JDD are butterfly, how well did peters coach JDD in his stint in the minors?2-4? save 886? Peters is an oldtime goalie he does not know anything about butterfly.

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#79 deep oil
January 17 2009, 09:46PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

So if Phoenix goes under do think Gretzky would coach here??

It depends where his payroll boss Gary Bettman places him - noting that a cloud follows every business transaction - Wayne Unland claims he is being paid by the league to hang out in PHX - as per Stauffer Toral Sports one year ago

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#80 deep oil
January 17 2009, 09:52PM
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sorry that name was typed out incorrectly - it is overland not unland

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#81 Jack Bauer
January 17 2009, 09:54PM
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@ deep oil:

Does the league pay him to be a minority owner in the team too?

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#82 Librarian Mike
January 17 2009, 09:59PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

So if Phoenix goes under do think Gretzky would coach here??

That's just what we need: Another member of the old boys club who, when asked about the current status of the team, tells a story about how the same thing happened in 86-87.

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#83 deep oil
January 17 2009, 10:11PM
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@ deep oil: Does the league pay him to be a minority owner in the team too?

no - but he was offerred and flaunted by the media as managing partner - 99 was quoted that the deal was too good to pass up - when you are the managing martner of a business - it usually means that you have no money in the deal, you participate in the process and at the end of the deal you get a percentage - i think he has a clause protecting him from all the red ink - Janet would be ticked as this would affect the family that lives separately for many reasons.... the 99 name was the key in creating buzz in glendale - when doing the deal was negative from day one - but this is a land deal and hockey was a byproduct of the entertainment district with jimmy buffet and country bar - not working.... moyes took his company private in the height of the economy - two years ago then got hit with fuel surcharge - now moyes is the caretaker and Michael Dell actually holds the note - Gary Bettman - this is a non success without calling you names and using profanity - your owners are ticked about having to coddle this ship in the dog in the desert - norht of the border George Gillete is another owner ready to call Uncle and the tampa situation is interesting as the VC fire sale is upon us - as Vinny's salary will bankrupt the team - contraction by 4 - 6 teams within 24 months

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#84 deep oil
January 17 2009, 10:20PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

R-DAWG wrote: So if Phoenix goes under do think Gretzky would coach here?? That’s just what we need: Another member of the old boys club who, when asked about the current status of the team, tells a story about how the same thing happened in 86-87.

no - options are to work in NY with slats, head office as Bettman is forced out, or to work with the mystery group that keeps popping up in vegas so Janet does not have to call Tochett or jump on Southwest to place bets at the palms..... there is a great piece of land next to the palms (non gaming zoned) that would be a great addition for George Maloof and the NINE group - property was $29 million and went condo - now in limbo... but with the outdoor game being touted on the strip due to FENWAY under repairs - this could get ineresting for the optics and opportunity.....

Realistic cities for relocation.....

1) Toronto - leafs must fall own their sword 2) Hamilton - JIM B 3) Milwaukee - close to Twin Cities demo 4) Hartford - Jason Gregor getting excited 5) WPG - not enough corp but still possible 6) Vegas - possible consortium - loss leader - no ticket base 7) Kansas City - exhibition game NYI 8) Seattle - always mentioned but now lost sonics

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#85 Travis Dakin
January 17 2009, 11:22PM
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Attn: Deep Oil

Listen dude, It's 11:17pm on a Saturday night and I am drunk as Funk. Dude, it's obvious that you know some sh*t. But seriosly, you have got to learn how to use the english language to your advantage. the "-" are very inappropriate. If you can please elaborate on your points about things instead of throwing the dashes out and the occasional vague statement, you might have some more credibility. Seriously dude, I want to support your cause but you're crazying me out. Dammit Deep Oil.

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#86 Chris
January 17 2009, 11:23PM
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Remember when Garon got the start in Pittsburg? Remember how he let in five unanswered goals, including two softies, in only twenty shots? It's funny to me that is the only time Pittsburg fans saw him in action. How excited could they be?

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#87 Dennis
January 18 2009, 12:08AM
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Whatever you think of Garon's '09 season numbers, the dude had a couple of post .900 SV pct and him as insurance is worth more than the return.

That is if you're interested in making the playoffs.

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#88 Colin
January 18 2009, 01:02AM
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Awesome deal for Tambo. I doubted we get get more than a 7th rounder.

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#89 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 01:36AM
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It's now 1:34am and I am even drunker and I just got back from having to deal with my GF's drama at the bar and I come home to check the nation and I find that I am still pissed off at Deep Oil. Dude! Give up the Crazy and start with the legitimate insider info. You're bastardization (I think I spelled that right and am impressed by my drunnk self if that is even a word) of the english language is starting to really make me go monkey sh*t! I want to believe the message but you are making it hard dude. Make me a believer and have someone translate your message to us folks at the nation. Amen. You crazy farktard! Praise be to Wanye (you crazy drunk bastard)

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#90 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 01:44AM
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p.s. I understand the concept of your, you're, their, they're, and there. I know I farked up. I love you Jack Daniels.

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#91 David S
January 18 2009, 03:08AM
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Deep Oil is the worst kind of poster. 10% real and 90% working his butt off to convince you he's real.

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#92 gipper
January 18 2009, 09:05AM
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Ok so I have been reading some of these comments for the last few days and decided that I was gonna give some thoughts. First of all I agree with the trade that tambo made. It was the best for the team right now. I know I probably feel like a lot of people that I wanted to see garon do well this year especially after doing so well last year. But if you look at it he never really got a typically number one goalie shot. It took kipper 10-15 games to get rolling this year and yet the flames kept playing him even if he had 2-3 stnkers in a row. I agree of just another case of mac-t killing players. And as for pete peters I'm sure he is a great guy and he probably got along better with roli than garon because they are about the same age... but lets be honest, when is the last legitimate number 1 goalie the oilers have ever produced from within there own system.... maybe Billy Ranford, but still I'm sure he came from boston or something. As for the guys talking about penner, I say they package him with say horcoff, schrempf and maybe something else for someone like lecavalier and say a lower draft pick. On a side note...Jack Daniels is delicious

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#93 me
January 18 2009, 09:16AM
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Calgary doesn't have another legitimate goaltender. @ gipper:

They kept playing Kipper because Calgary doesn't have a legitimate back-up.

They kept on playing Roloson because Garon showed this year he was a mediocre backup.

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#94 Chris
January 18 2009, 09:29AM
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@ gipper: Trades aren't about the players anymore; they are about the exchange of contracts. Tampa doesn't want Penner or Horcoff because together they will cost more than Vinny next year. Also Jack Daniels is corn wiskey...Real Canadian MEN drink Rye.

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#95 Smokin' Ray
January 18 2009, 09:44AM
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I drink Mountain Crest in a can because "It's Damn Good Beer". Well, not that good. But it is cheap. :)

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#96 Chris
January 18 2009, 09:46AM
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Speaking of LeCavlier... There are rumors from multiple sources that the Oilers are being very aggressive in the Lecavlier sweepstakes (Remember Hossa?). I'm not sure we have the kind of cheap assets Tampa is looking for; but Sabourin could backup Mike Smith in net if Tampa goes with a youth movement. Maybe Tambo is offering up a pile of picks... We don't draft that great anyway... (Relax Willis...I'm just being cranky this morning!)

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#97 gipper
January 18 2009, 09:48AM
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what would you give for lecavalier then?

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#98 Damien
January 18 2009, 09:56AM
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Don't like it. Definitely think they should've given Garon a better chance. So now they're supposed to rely on Roloson and Deslauriers! Well here's to another year finishing out of the playoffs.

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#99 Chris
January 18 2009, 09:56AM
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Anyone but Hemskey... Okay who am I kidding... even Hemskey.

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#100 me
January 18 2009, 09:59AM
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@ Damien:

So Garon's below .900 percentage was going to get us in the playoffs?

So they should have traded Roloson who has been the Oilers best goaltender all year?

So they should have traded JDD who they have spent years developing?

It only made sense to trade the goaltender that has proven that he is a career backup. That goaltender was Garon!

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