GDB 45: Vincent Lecavalier

Jonathan Willis
January 18 2009 01:04PM

As we wait for the game against the Coyotes to begin, let’s consider two players over the past two seasons. Both are gritty, have good size, and are well-known and often mentioned as Top-10 players. Here are the numbers:

Player A

2008-09: 45GP – 28G – 21A – 59 PTS, +10

2007-08: 82GP – 40G – 66A – 106 PTS, -8

2006-07: 82GP – 56G – 54A – 100 PTS, +23

Player B

2008-09: 45GP – 15G – 22A – 37 PTS, +4

2007-08: 82GP – 41G – 44A – 85 PTS, -23

2006-07: 82GP – 49G – 57A – 106 PTS, -11

Player A is clearly superior to Player B. Outside of a slight difference in one season, he’s been a far better offensive performer, and his +/- totals are well ahead of Player B. Yet everybody, bizarrely enough, thinks that these two players are identical in ability, despite the fact that the statistics don’t support it at all.

The reason that everybody regards these two players as identical talents is because they are one player. Player A is Vincent Lecavalier, specifically his point totals against his own division, pro-rated over full seasons. Player B is Vincent Lecavalier against the rest of the NHL, pro-rated over an entire season.

I haven’t gotten into the effect of the various divisions on player performance, but it is something that we as Oilers fans should be wise to. We’ve seen the effect on Erik Cole, and it isn’t an illusion. The Southeast is the worst division in the NHL, by far, and it isn’t surprising that some of the league’s top goal- and point- scorers can be found there. It’s something that GM’s should keep in mind before making trades, at any rate.

It's something Oilers fans should keep in the back of their mind as they watch their team play the Coyotes and fantasize about what a new addition to the lineup could do to help the cause.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#101 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:10PM
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Glenn Anderson is watching the game in his PJ's. Thats old school.

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#102 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:10PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@ Wanye Gretz: So uh… speaking of financial situations….

Do go on....

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#103 R-DAWG
January 18 2009, 07:11PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

Sorry buddy, I am trying to lose the love handles but refuse to give up beer. I like this stuff better than Coors Light.

Good call

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#104 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:11PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Hockey Gods wrote: Do you think he dyes his goatee? I’d say yes. The on air stylist at the PPV telecast tonight should be reprimanded.

If your hair is that far gone then the plugs will never cut it. He should have let it be. It's so sad.

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#105 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:12PM
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deep oil wrote:

WG getting 4 million per year with no risk

Seems fair - he is the only one with any real sizzle in the Desert these days. He is more valuable to the franchise than any of the players - that's for sure.

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#106 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:12PM
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deep oil wrote:

michael dell owns the note at 18% as no bank would touch this to which moyes is the caretaker on - 30 million per year loss with WG getting 4 million per year with no risk

Provide a link, or some sort of proof of this...

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#107 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:12PM
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They should retire Rob Brown’s hair plug technician

i used dr. vance macdonlad for $8k per session double transfer - located in sherwood park - saved me from looking like brown - a plan like quikcard (lyle best chair) can get back 60% after taxes

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#108 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:13PM
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I was really smart and didn't buy the PPV until 650 so I missed the ceremony....

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#109 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:14PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: @ Wanye Gretz: So uh… speaking of financial situations…. Do go on….

Unless I missed something between the 89 page refreshes a day, I believe there is a missing part to a four part story no?

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#110 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:15PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

I was really smart and didn’t buy the PPV until 650 so I missed the ceremony….

The Oilers web site said 7! Dammit I missed it to.

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#111 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:15PM
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Penner is on 2 lines

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#112 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:15PM
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Speaking of missing parts, where is the JSBM Sunday RSB. Last time they missed one they said it woldn't happen again.

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#113 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:16PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

Unless I missed something between the 89 page refreshes a day, I believe there is a missing part to a four part story no?

HAHAHAHAHAH I just literally asked myself 10 seconds ago "Did I ever finish that piece?"

When I wrote this on Oct 22 I didn't know the Coyotes were in trouble. I looked at NHL owners and picked the guy I thought most likely to have issues. Sorry Jerry for the Wanye Jinx.

If Swift Transportation — the largest trucking company in the US—goes into the toilet, the Coyotes could go 82–0 and the owner Jerry Moyes would have bigger problems that would affect the Coyotes ability to make payroll.

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#114 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:16PM
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R-DAWG wrote:

Hockey Gods wrote: Sorry buddy, I am trying to lose the love handles but refuse to give up beer. I like this stuff better than Coors Light. Good call

lose 7 pounds a week with no carbs - apples chicken fish water, b6 and b12 with vegatable thins - otherwise called bernstein - dont pay just avoid bread, booze, milk and anything else that tastes sinful - really - I was 206 and dropped to 175 in 3 weeks

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#115 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:17PM
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Oops it was from here:

http://www.oilersnation.com/2008/10/financial-analysis-and-rick-ross/

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#116 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:17PM
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"How you like me now Garon Fans?" - Dwayne Roloson right now

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#117 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:18PM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

Ha yeah I didn't want to say anything but I have been waiting patiently and I did find it quite interesting.

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#118 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:19PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

“How you like me now Garon Fans?” - Dwayne Roloson right now

My GF's favorite player was Garon.

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#119 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:20PM
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My kid wanted a Garon jersey for Xmas. Good thing Santa gave him that lump of coal

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#120 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:21PM
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@ Wanye Gretz: Ha yeah I didn’t want to say anything but I have been waiting patiently and I did find it quite interesting.

To be totally honest my day job is becoming infinitely more complex because of the economy and most of my days are still spent trying to make sense the economic landscape. When I come on to the nation I want to get away from all that. Covering such an inspirational and positive Oilers season wisks me away to a land

OF EVEN MORE DOOM AND GLOOM

*single tear rolls down cheek*

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#121 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:21PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

deep oil wrote: michael dell owns the note at 18% as no bank would touch this to which moyes is the caretaker on - 30 million per year loss with WG getting 4 million per year with no risk Provide a link, or some sort of proof of this…

look above idiot - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v5/content/subscribe?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FLAC.20090109.COYTOTES09%2FTPStory%2FTPSports%2F&ord=83198050&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true

lets have a countdown to the next 4 teams to move or go bankrupt and the hanging of GB by the owners with JIM B from hamilton saving the league

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#122 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:22PM
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Dropping Deuces wrote:

My kid wanted a Garon jersey for Xmas. Good thing Santa gave him that lump of coal

Excellent move. Santa also saw fit to deliver loss after loss Chez Oilers during the holiday season which was nice.

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#123 RBK
January 18 2009, 07:22PM
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Great

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#124 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:23PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

My GF’s favorite player was Garon.

Well as a true Oiler fan you now have no choice. Trade her for a late round pick (That means post last call pick up on a bar star) a prospect (Jouniro High Graduate) and veteran back up (Wiley old cougar who is well aware you are in a relationship)

It's fate man.

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#125 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:23PM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

I will accept that

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#126 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:25PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: My GF’s favorite player was Garon. Well as a true Oiler fan you now have no choice. Trade her for a late round pick (That means post last call pick up on a bar star) a prospect (Jouniro High Graduate) and veteran back up (Wiley old cougar who is well aware you are in a relationship) It’s fate man.

She read that and said it was a good deal!

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#127 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:26PM
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wayne overland mentioned this months ago on total sports - i have not been to scottsdale lately so my pipeline is dry - but i have seen (like I can let that be on here. Come on - WG)

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#128 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:26PM
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That trade would be harder to make than Reddox for Lecavallier.

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#129 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:26PM
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POULIOT!!!

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#130 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:27PM
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wooooo!

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#131 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:27PM
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I mean YAY

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#132 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:27PM
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YAY Moreau!!!!!!

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#133 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:28PM
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@ Travis Dakin: Really, she sounds like a cool chick. Turns out I have pick, prospect and back up I would be willing to move. You interested in making a deal TD?

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#134 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:28PM
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WOOO!, That will buy him 2 undisaplined penaltys later.

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#135 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:28PM
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HA no its good.

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#136 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:29PM
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Great, they day a bunch of us question Moreau role on this team, not 100 comments north, the prick goes and opens the scoring.

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#137 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:30PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

Great, they day a bunch of us question Moreau role on this team, not 100 comments north, the prick goes and opens the scoring.

He would be the best player on the ice so far

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#138 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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WELCOME BACK HEMSKY

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#139 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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I like the #9 on the right chest

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#140 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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I just made a serious mess.

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#141 chrisinbanff
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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deep oil wrote:

but i have seen wg in the bag with red wine to the point betty ford is an option

I can tell you that on the list of food and beverage and what not that the Coyotes demanded on their charter flight between Calgary and Edmonton that (Gentlemen - please. Not Gretzky. I won't have him beesmirched. Anyone else is fair game but not 99. - WG)

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#142 jeanshorts
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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Ales Hemsky came back, and I, JIZZED, IN MY PANTS!

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#143 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:31PM
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Penner was seriously strong as an ox to keep control of that puck

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#144 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:32PM
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Brilliant!!!! Hemsky's getting a lapdance!!!!!!

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#145 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:32PM
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Man, he can break a game can't he.

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#146 Bruthah
January 18 2009, 07:32PM
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hemmer, NICE!

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#147 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:33PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: Unless I missed something between the 89 page refreshes a day, I believe there is a missing part to a four part story no? HAHAHAHAHAH I just literally asked myself 10 seconds ago “Did I ever finish that piece?” When I wrote this on Oct 22 I didn’t know the Coyotes were in trouble. I looked at NHL owners and picked the guy I thought most likely to have issues. Sorry Jerry for the Wanye Jinx. If Swift Transportation — the largest trucking company in the US—goes into the toilet, the Coyotes could go 82–0 and the owner Jerry Moyes would have bigger problems that would affect the Coyotes ability to make payroll.

if real estate goes into the toilet - and len barrie has trouble at bear mountain - many NHL players will go head hunting prior to Len Barrie giving the keys back to the NHL or Davidson from Palace Entertainment who lent money to these two yahoos (khoules - barrie) to run a fantasy team with an ESPN coach - next up to bat boots del baggio - using the shell game like Bruce McNall to acquire money, he is going to jail now and have a roommate with Anaheim owner Frank Samueli - is the nhl full of bankrupt land developers and jailhouse rock......

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#148 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 07:33PM
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Amber wrote:

Brilliant!!!! Hemsky’s getting a lapdance!!!!!!

He, I scored the winner in my beer league game last night.

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#149 R-DAWG
January 18 2009, 07:33PM
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You can tell when the Oil are feeling good,they have wicked good breakouts...WOOOOO Hemmer!!

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#150 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:35PM
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Is there a delay on some peoples telecast?

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