GDB 45: Vincent Lecavalier

Jonathan Willis
January 18 2009 01:04PM

As we wait for the game against the Coyotes to begin, let’s consider two players over the past two seasons. Both are gritty, have good size, and are well-known and often mentioned as Top-10 players. Here are the numbers:

Player A

2008-09: 45GP – 28G – 21A – 59 PTS, +10

2007-08: 82GP – 40G – 66A – 106 PTS, -8

2006-07: 82GP – 56G – 54A – 100 PTS, +23

Player B

2008-09: 45GP – 15G – 22A – 37 PTS, +4

2007-08: 82GP – 41G – 44A – 85 PTS, -23

2006-07: 82GP – 49G – 57A – 106 PTS, -11

Player A is clearly superior to Player B. Outside of a slight difference in one season, he’s been a far better offensive performer, and his +/- totals are well ahead of Player B. Yet everybody, bizarrely enough, thinks that these two players are identical in ability, despite the fact that the statistics don’t support it at all.

The reason that everybody regards these two players as identical talents is because they are one player. Player A is Vincent Lecavalier, specifically his point totals against his own division, pro-rated over full seasons. Player B is Vincent Lecavalier against the rest of the NHL, pro-rated over an entire season.

I haven’t gotten into the effect of the various divisions on player performance, but it is something that we as Oilers fans should be wise to. We’ve seen the effect on Erik Cole, and it isn’t an illusion. The Southeast is the worst division in the NHL, by far, and it isn’t surprising that some of the league’s top goal- and point- scorers can be found there. It’s something that GM’s should keep in mind before making trades, at any rate.

It's something Oilers fans should keep in the back of their mind as they watch their team play the Coyotes and fantasize about what a new addition to the lineup could do to help the cause.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#151 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:35PM
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These kids are saying who the f**k just signed my jersey

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#152 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:36PM
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Ya, I have it on the net.

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#153 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:36PM
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@ Hockey Gods: And I'm sure your mother is very proud of you. Make a few million a year and we'll talk.

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#154 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:37PM
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deep oil wrote:

is the nhl full of bankrupt land developers and jailhouse rock……

The lack of a national TV must scare off many well heeled business folk who would have the means to run a stable franchise.

Here - I'll say it as an Homage to you D.O

When you have no national TV deal - people with the money would rather look to the NFL, NBA or MLB for ownership opportunity.... NHL refuses to embrace fighting .... UFC owner Dana White seems to understand the American lust for violence in sport quite well. Mandel has a refusal clause to fund RX2 as long as the NHL allows fighting.

*end scene*

Seriously though, there are some shady NHL owners. I agree D O

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#155 deep oil
January 18 2009, 07:37PM
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chrisinbanff wrote:

deep oil wrote:

Seriously stop it.

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#156 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:39PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@ Wanye Gretz: I will accept that

It's scary to think NHL operations is virtually guaranteed now to have some major changes in team operations. I couldn't even begin to consider possibilities till we get some idea of which way the major financial winds are going to blow.

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#157 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:43PM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

I am very thankful to have Mr. Katz's deep pocket books in control of the ship. There is some scary sh*t going down.

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#158 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:44PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

To be totally honest my day job is becoming infinitely more complex because of the economy and most of my days are still spent trying to make sense the economic landscape.

What the hell do you do?

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#159 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:44PM
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Oh get out of town! On fire!!!!

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#160 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:44PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

Great, they day a bunch of us question Moreau role on this team, not 100 comments north, the prick goes and opens the scoring.

Oh yeah.

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#161 baggedmilk
January 18 2009, 07:45PM
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GOALLLL

2 broken legs, 2 goal game... no coincidence.

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#162 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:47PM
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Me thinks it's going to be a good night.

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#163 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:47PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

Wanye Gretz wrote: To be totally honest my day job is becoming infinitely more complex because of the economy and most of my days are still spent trying to make sense the economic landscape. What the hell do you do?

I work in Venture Capital - funding alternative energy projects and companies.

I mean - I work at the bottle depot.

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#164 Dropping Deuces
January 18 2009, 07:47PM
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I guess Garon was the problem. Huh, How bout that.

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#165 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:48PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

I work in Venture Capital - funding alternative energy projects and companies. I mean - I work at the bottle depot.

And by "I work at the bottle depot" you mean pimp.

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#166 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:48PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

I work in Venture Capital - funding alternative energy projects and companies.

Bah? Wah?

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#167 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:50PM
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You know, his plugs are feathered a little bit better than normal and on high def it's almost believeable.

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#168 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:51PM
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I like Kevin Lowe. I may not agree with all of his decisions but it's cool that the first franchise draft pick ever is still such a big part of the team.

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#169 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:53PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

I like Kevin Lowe. I may not agree with all of his decisions but it’s cool that the first franchise draft pick ever is still such a big part of the team.

Agreed, First goal scorer. He may be in the hall one day or not but his number should be the one that completes the group in the rafters.

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#170 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 07:57PM
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@ Travis Dakin:

Oh for sure. Good call.

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#171 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:58PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@ Travis Dakin: Oh for sure. Good call.

I'm glad you agree.

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#172 Amber
January 18 2009, 07:59PM
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@ Travis Dakin: I'm concerned about you. Talking to yourself? Perhaps we should dedicate some time to this.

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#173 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 07:59PM
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Oh man when Principe says stuff like that to the little kid I get vulnerable we rip him.

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#174 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 08:00PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Hockey Gods wrote: Great, they day a bunch of us question Moreau role on this team, not 100 comments north, the prick goes and opens the scoring. Oh yeah.

I may call him out every game.

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#175 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:01PM
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@ Amber:

As long as there is someone talking...

Wanye Gretz wrote:

Oh man when Principe says stuff like that to the little kid I get vulnerable we rip him.

I don't get that sentence.

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#176 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:01PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

I may call him out every game.

I would almost insist

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#177 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 08:02PM
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@ Wanye Gretz: I think I should call out Penner and Eathan next game. Had a started this earlier there amy not have been any Oiler Sophmore slumps

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#178 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:02PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

I don’t get that sentence.

He told the little kid that he had "a great Mom" and to "take care of her."

It makes me vulnerable that he is actually super nice and that we give him a hard time.

Don't get me wrong - I will always give Gene Principe a bad time. I'm already going to hell, why not have a funny story to tell when I'm there...

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#179 deep oil
January 18 2009, 08:02PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

deep oil wrote: is the nhl full of bankrupt land developers and jailhouse rock…… The lack of a national TV must scare off many well heeled business folk who would have the means to run a stable franchise. Here - I’ll say it as an Homage to you D.O When you have no national TV deal - people with the money would rather look to the NFL, NBA or MLB for ownership opportunity…. NHL refuses to embrace fighting …. UFC owner Dana White seems to understand the American lust for violence in sport quite well. Mandel has a refusal clause to fund RX2 as long as the NHL allows fighting. *end scene* Seriously though, there are some shady NHL owners. I agree D O

strategy prior to sept 09 buy low sell high - use expansion money to stay afloat pyramid scheme - southern expansion only prolonged the disease

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#180 baggedmilk
January 18 2009, 08:03PM
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Willis Mcgehee may have just had his head cave in.

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#181 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:03PM
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Oh that was so sweet to see again, in slow mo even.... *gushing*

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#182 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:04PM
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deep oil wrote:

strategy prior to sept 09 buy low sell high - use expansion money to stay afloat pyramid scheme - southern expansion only prolonged the disease

I don't know if it's a pyramid scheme but Katz $200 MM sure put a nice floor value on a franchise. It's doubtful we will see another NHL team trade at that value for years to come.

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#183 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:04PM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

I think you are misusing the word vulnerable but I hear ya.

So how was the party? Haven't heard any stories.

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#184 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 08:05PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

I’m already going to hell, why not have a funny story to tell when I’m there…

BAgged and I will make sure you're welocme there. Besides that's where all the sex, booze and rock an roll will be; and I don't mind the heat.

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#185 jeanshorts
January 18 2009, 08:05PM
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How come the Oilers make the retired players suit up in full gear and do a couple hot laps when they retire their numbers?

I think the Canadians should start doing that for every ceremony they have. Who among us wouldn't want to see Jean Beliveau and Henri Richard skating with their walkers?

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#186 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:06PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

@ Wanye Gretz: I think you are misusing the word vulnerable but I hear ya. So how was the party? Haven’t heard any stories.

Oh no that's the correct usage - it captures my emote perfectionly. As an aside I have always thought Vulnerable would be a great name for a boy band.

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#187 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:07PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

So how was the party? Haven’t heard any stories.

It was a grand evening. We are still tallying the final count of dough raised but buck75's donated tickets sold for $200 which was sweet.

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#188 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 08:07PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

I think the Canadians should start doing that for every ceremony they have. Who among us wouldn’t want to see Jean Beliveau and Henri Richard skating with their walkers?

It would be awesome, once they go senile and have no idea what is going on we could race them, think of the stripper money would make on the betting.

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#189 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:09PM
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"What is an Enver Lisen?" - Every Oilers fan reading the TV screen right now

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#190 Amber
January 18 2009, 08:09PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

So how was the party? Haven’t heard any stories.

What happen at an ON party STAY at the ON party.

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#191 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:09PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Oh no that’s the correct usage - it captures my emote perfectionly. As an aside I have always thought Vulnerable would be a great name for a boy band.

It makes you fell - capable of being physically or emotionally wounded or open to attack or damage, when we make fun of him? Ok I will buy into that. I like the guy. He knows he comes off as a goof but that is the charm. Self awareness.

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#192 R-DAWG
January 18 2009, 08:10PM
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Rob Brown is fairly confident that a 4-1 lead is all we'll need...Dumbass!!

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#193 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:10PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

It makes you feel - capable of being physically or emotionally wounded or open to attack or damage, when we make fun of him

Exactly.

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#194 Amber
January 18 2009, 08:10PM
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@ Travis Dakin: I had no idea you had your PhD in Everything!!!

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#195 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:11PM
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@ Amber:

Ok well skipping specifics, was a good time had by all, as in, will there be another party. One that I may be able to attend in the future?

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#196 Hockey Gods
January 18 2009, 08:11PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

It was a grand evening. We are still tallying the final count of dough raised but buck75’s donated tickets sold for $200 which was sweet.

Good on you and the team Wanye, that was a really classy think you guys did, like Ron Burgandy classy.

Now enough of the PC stuff, did bagged get loser drunk and try to make out Gregor? Did you try and put ice down the beer tub sluts shirt? Come now, we want some dirt.

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#197 Wanye Gretz
January 18 2009, 08:12PM
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Is Dustin Penner entering a Ron Jeremy Moustache Look-a-like Contest?

Ye gads

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#198 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:12PM
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Amber wrote:

@ Travis Dakin: I had no idea you had your PhD in Everything!!!

I've been reading Deep Oil's posts too much. And a whole lot of Willis for the last few months has got to rub off after a while. Wait a minute.....

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#199 jeanshorts
January 18 2009, 08:12PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

did bagged get loser drunk and try to make out Gregor?

I hear Amber got a taste of the sweet nectar. And by sweet nectar I mean baggedmilk's cold sore infested lips.

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#200 Travis Dakin
January 18 2009, 08:13PM
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And a PhD in google.

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