Call me unimpressed

Robin Brownlee
January 06 2009 07:53AM

I laughed out loud when Sportsnet play-by-play man Kevin Quinn tipped us off during the third period of the Edmonton Oilers life-and-death struggle with the New York Islanders that "It doesn't get any easier on this homestand."

No, Kevin, it doesn't get any easier -- the Islanders are the laughing stocks of the NHL. They arrived at Rexall Place Monday having lost 12 straight games on the road and sitting dead-last in NHL overall standings.

Then, they lost captain and leading scorer Doug Weight during the morning skate. So, no, it really doesn't get any easier. Of course, that's not exactly what Quinn meant.

So how is it that the Oilers, who already gassed two points in losses to the hopeless Florida Panthers and inept Ottawa Senators, needed fluke goals by Kyle Brodziak and Jason Strudwick in the second period on the way to a 3-2 win to avoid making it three times they've soiled the sheets?

Because this is a team, regardless of post-game spin, that has no clue about the intensity and fortitude needed to be a consistent winner and a legitimate playoff contender in the Western Conference.

That's how.

Hero act

"They played as good as anybody against us," coach Craig MacTavish said after his team pulled a fast one. "Especially early. They put a lot of pressure on us and we didn't handle the pressure very well."

You'd think after blowing off those games against the Panthers and sad-sack Senators, who also came to town with 12 straight road losses before beating the Oilers 3-2 Dec. 30, MacT's men would have been motivated to come out like a house on fire against the Islanders.

But, down 2-0, they were in danger of falling back to .500 at home until they got lucky -- Brodziak banked a puck off Brendan Witt's skate behind Joey MacDonald and Strudwick made it 2-2 when Zack Stortini's pass bounced in off his skate.

Good for the fourth-liners, who've carried more than their fair share of the workload in recent games, but getting outplayed early before winning it on Andrew Cogliano's 12th goal of the season is inexcusable.

The Oilers talked the talk in the morning, but they damn sure didn't walk the walk when the puck dropped.

Not good enough

Serve up the same mistake-filled slop against the Vancouver Canucks Wednesday or the San Jose Sharks Friday and the 19-16-3 Oilers will be back under .500 at home.

Hell, try that against anybody but the feeble Islanders and it's a loss. Playing down to the level of inferior competition as the Oilers too often do is not the sign of a team ready to contend.

"We collected ourselves after the first period and played a pretty workmanlike second and third," offered MacTavish.

"We had a line that was playing a real simple game that got a lot done tonight. That's a good lesson for everybody. It doesn't have to be pretty all the time."

This is not a good team. Tell yourself otherwise if you must, but be prepared to be disappointed.

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A sports writer since 1983, including stints at The Edmonton Journal and The Sun 1989-2007, I happily co-host the Jason Gregor Show on TSN 1260 twice a week and write when so inclined. Have the best damn lawn on the internet. Most important, I am Sam's dad. Follow me on Twitter at Robin_Brownlee. Or don't.
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#101 me
January 06 2009, 05:04PM
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@ Chris: Chris wrote:

@ me: I really have no real direct source of good info regarding the matter, and therfore, no ability to intelligently speculate. I’d be interested to know if Comrie’s direct ties to ownership played a part in this. I disregard rumors of poor sexual conduct as rumors. I think it was bush league of Lowe to ask for money back. This act severley damaged the organizations reputation amoung many agents and players.

Yeah I think those rumours are bunk (sexual conduct)

I asked a simple question and was suprised that I got an answer. It was at the 25 year season ticket holder luncheon.

The things I was told by management all turned out to be true. I was at first surprised he would tell me but really what risk was there? I could say that so in so told me but who would have believed me at the time?

Your theory about the owners ties to management is probably on the mark.

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#102 me
January 06 2009, 05:06PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

@ Deans:Comrie received a bad deal - what is the sin in not resigning as a RFA in Edmonton - what is this organization - the IRON CURTAIN - Lowe was ticked off at Comrie for “quitting” on the team in the playoffs with his equipment off based on an injury between periods - and KLOWE went SID VICOUS on the kid - the off ice issue rumors are not valid - but the Oil promised disclosure on this smearing incident that both sides looked bad and caused a FREE AGENT avoidance of Edmonton for some time - causing Lowe to overpay time and time again - for $4mm I would take Comrie over Penner, Pisani and so on….

I think the hardline was fine but it was the money back request that was ridiculous.

I agree with Robin that this move hurt the Oilers and I am sure they are still dealing with the ramifications of that decision with agents and players.

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#103 Chris
January 06 2009, 05:11PM
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Klowe. Regrets how he handled Comrie so he bends over backwards for Pronger. Regrets not signing Smyth so he hands Horcoff a dream extension. Knee jerk reactions...or part of a deviously complex series of five year plans?

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#104 me
January 06 2009, 05:12PM
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rindog wrote:

@ RobinB: A couple of things. I think “broke” would be defined as not making the playoffs with any consistency whatsoever. Even the year we went on the cup run - we needed a colossal collapse by Vancouver to do so. As far as the make-up of the team - what didn’t you like? And I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. As far as being concerned with the make-up of the coaching staff…I think a large majority of hockey fans share your concern but aren’t nearly as patient/objective as you are when it comes to placing blame/resposibility for our lack of consistency. To me it is very hard to evaluate both things simultaneously (coaching & player personnel). It’s evident that Lowe has tried to change the roster to see if that was the problem? Why do you think MacT has been here so long? Do you think Lowe is afraid that another guy will do worse? Is he just looking out for a buddy? Is he concerned MacT will leave and come back to burn us? Or does he really think that MacT is the guy that will lead us to championship opportunities?? The whole situation seems very odd, don’t you think?

The coaching situation is the oddest to me.

I am not on the "fire MacTavish bandwagon" after every loss group but by the same token I wonder if a change is in order.

It seems though that Katz is part of that "old boys network" and not the solution.

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#105 CurtisS
January 06 2009, 05:21PM
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I wonder how long Katz keeps spending to the cap missing the playoffs. Im curious to know what he thinks right now and what excuses he is being given from management/coaching.

I bet it was the schedule. Which held no water because of our ****y home record so far. I wonder what it is now.

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#106 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 05:24PM
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@ Chris: Asking for the money back was a LOWE point for this organization showing the personal disdain that this kid was making more coin in one year than Lowe saw in most of his career - it was documented that Lowe made very little as an Oiler - total earnings were $5 million as a player over 20 years - cashing in with $850K with NYR.... letting it get personal is a no win with Comrie. How do you penalize a rich kid who is stubborn on principle and does not need the coin.

As per Mike's ties to direct ownership - money is principle and Mikey drew a line in the sand over principle - screw the cash - his father gave away $80 million corporately to his employees when The Brick went public and took home $850 million in share value himself. Next time you want to have a gun fight with very rich player - much richer than yourself - bring bullets - otherwise case in point - life moves on and no one wins - and you make the organization look LOWE class. Bill Comrie could of bought into the team - he didn't for just this reason - INTERFERENCE - and left Edmonton in disappointment for better weather when the city turned on his family - that is sad - but why live in a city that hurts your kids.

Next time you boo Comrie - maybe you should be BOOING LOWE - but be careful that is not allowed at REXALL - you might get escorted out of the building for negative thoughts by Northlands security.

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#107 Cam
January 06 2009, 05:28PM
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CurtisS wrote:

I wonder how long Katz keeps spending to the cap missing the playoffs. Im curious to know what he thinks right now and what excuses he is being given from management/coaching. I bet it was the schedule. Which held no water because of our ****y home record so far. I wonder what it is now.

Well since this is the first year of Katz spending anything and I actually think they will make the playoffs, I am not sure if we will ever know how to answer your question.

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#108 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 05:31PM
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Here are the two salary histories....

Lowe $4 million - http://www.hockeyzoneplus.com/search/salaries-search.cgi?template=nhl-salaries-search-detail.htm&dbname=NHL-Salaries-test.txt&key2=2282&action=searchdbdisplay

Comrie $11 million - http://www.hockeyzoneplus.com/search/salaries-search.cgi?template=nhl-salaries-search-detail.htm&dbname=NHL-Salaries-test.txt&key2=4283&action=searchdbdisplay

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#109 rindog
January 06 2009, 05:33PM
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@ me:

It is puzzling to me as well?

Just as puzzling as Horcoff dropping down to 18:29 in icetime. While I have been a big opponent against the minutes Horcoff has been getting versus other players; I have resigned myself to the fact that it is a coaching belief that Horcoff is our "Mr. Everything" and needs the minutes.

That being said, if all season long Horcoff has been our guy - why when our best offensive player is out, does Horcoff's icetime go down?

I guess it might be because Horcoff was having a bad game - but if that was the case he should have had his icetime reduced many times at the beginning of the year. It might also be that MacT was forced to give the 4th line more minutes (based on their play)- although those minutes seemed to have come from Moreau, Reddox and Pouliot??

I realize that with Hemsky out and Reddox in his spot - our true #1 line defaults to the Gagner line. It just baffles me that no matter how much Hemsky carried this team (even when he and Horcoff were not playing together) - he was never given the minutes that Horcoff was.

I realize Greger wrote a nice blog regarding the length of shifts, etc. But it still doesn't explain the mentality of not trying to get Hemsky more (a lot more) icetime than any other forward (including Horcoff).

If the coach can see that the Gagner line is playing well and got them more ice - why not atleast try to bump up Hemmer?

I realize there is more icetime available with Hemsky out. I also realize it might be easier to bump a guy from a 14:42 ATOI (Nilsson) to 18:25 last night than it is to bump Hemsky from 18:44 to 21:00, but it still concerns me?

Does it concern anyone else?

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#110 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 05:35PM
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@ CurtisS: Reason is the players did not take Cold FX and are under the weather - next time use the Rexall reminder service

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#111 CurtisS
January 06 2009, 05:36PM
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@ Cam: You honestly think we will make the playoffs.

Hilarious. Half the season gone and we only broke into the top 8 two times this year. Expect that trend to continue. It doesnt get easier it gets harder.

Dont forget we will most likely lose 4 of our next 5 games.

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#112 me
January 06 2009, 05:41PM
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rindog wrote:

@ me: It is puzzling to me as well? Just as puzzling as Horcoff dropping down to 18:29 in icetime. While I have been a big opponent against the minutes Horcoff has been getting versus other players; I have resigned myself to the fact that it is a coaching belief that Horcoff is our “Mr. Everything” and needs the minutes. That being said, if all season long Horcoff has been our guy - why when our best offensive player is out, does Horcoff’s icetime go down? I guess it might be because Horcoff was having a bad game - but if that was the case he should have had his icetime reduced many times at the beginning of the year. It might also be that MacT was forced to give the 4th line more minutes (based on their play)- although those minutes seemed to have come from Moreau, Reddox and Pouliot?? I realize that with Hemsky out and Reddox in his spot - our true #1 line defaults to the Gagner line. It just baffles me that no matter how much Hemsky carried this team (even when he and Horcoff were not playing together) - he was never given the minutes that Horcoff was. I realize Greger wrote a nice blog regarding the length of shifts, etc. But it still doesn’t explain the mentality of not trying to get Hemsky more (a lot more) icetime than any other forward (including Horcoff). If the coach can see that the Gagner line is playing well and got them more ice - why not atleast try to bump up Hemmer? I realize there is more icetime available with Hemsky out. I also realize it might be easier to bump a guy from a 14:42 ATOI (Nilsson) to 18:25 last night than it is to bump Hemsky from 18:44 to 21:00, but it still concerns me? Does it concern anyone else?

A lot of little things have concerned me.

I have no problem calling out players once in a while and in hindsight it was obviously the right move with Penner.

But no so sure about the need to publicly call out Nilsson.

Calling out players should be a very last resort and to me it seemed like he is/was in desperation move very quickly these days with mixed results.

Reddox being put on the first line when Hemsky went out seems like an odd decision.

Not just to pick on Mactavish but this seems to be an organizational flaw.

Managements hesitancy and non-action on the goaltending situation.

Not seeming to address the PK or faceoff problem.

Tambellini has done nothing to make his mark on the team.

This organization seems slow to react and when they do it sometimes is an overreaction.

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#113 Jack Bauer
January 06 2009, 05:43PM
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@ Deep Oil:

The children of the one reborn shall find their own country - Compartmentalize integrity conflicts with the obligation to provide access - No ceremonies are necessary - Contact is inevitable, leading to information bleed - Assume the relaxation length of photons in the sample atmosphere is constant - end of line.

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#114 RobinB
January 06 2009, 05:55PM
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@ rindog: I've been over this. See Dec. 18 item on the site or here it is from my files . . . .

THE TO-DO LIST BY ROBIN BROWNLEE If I was King of the World, or better yet, Daryl Katz, and could snap my fingers and shape the Edmonton Oilers until they fit my vision of what a hockey team should be, there would be changes. Brother, would there be changes. With the Oilers sitting at 14-14-2 through 30 games after Wednesday's 4-2 loss to the Vancouver Canucks, some fans are frustrated beyond words with the performance of a team coach Craig MacTavish deemed in pre-season as a contender for a Northwest Division title. Then again, despite the inconsistencies -- like playing one of their best games of the season in a 3-0 win over the Canucks last weekend before getting their backsides handed to them without a whimper in a 9-2 loss to Chicago Tuesday -- optimists might peruse Western Conference standings today and insist, "It isn't that bad." Well, it is that bad, at least in my mind, and I didn't even like the make-up of this edition of the Oilers as much as some fans did when the season began. I picked them to be in the mix, as usual, but to finish ninth. What would I do?

AIN'T ROCKET SURGERY Let's first state the obvious -- it's infinitely easier to sit in front of a laptop and pontificate about what must be done, who should be traded and who should be acquired, than it is for GM Steve Tambellini or president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe to pick up the telephone and make it happen in the real world. Duh! That said, here's my list of things to do -- in order of importance -- based on what I've seen and heard, what I know and what I think. And, yes, much of it is Master of the Obvious stuff that has already been suggested by people smarter than I . . .

1. PICK TWO GOALTENDERS. Three doesn't work. Never has. Never will. I don't care which two, as long as one of them is Jeff Deslauriers because I'm not willing to lose him to waivers for nothing at this point. -- With no takers via trade right now, I'd send Dwayne Roloson to the AHL, even if he's played better than Mathieu Garon at this point. Roloson's a pro and he gets his full salary in the minors. He'd be a mentor to Devan Dubnyk. -- It's time to find out if Garon can regain his form of last season and prove he's a legit No. 1 starter. If Garon can't do that by starting, say, seven of the next 10 games, I shop him. If he doesn't move, I send him to the minors, recall Roloson and ride Deslauriers the rest of the way. -- In any case, Roloson's gone after this season. What I want to know is if Garon or Deslauriers is my starter next season or if I'm diving into the trade and free agent pool to get a stopper.

2. SORT IT OUT UP FRONT. And, for crying out loud, stop trying to force square pegs into round holes, as was the case too often with MacTavish early this season when he tried to make a center out of Fernando Pisani and a left winger out of Erik Cole. -- Keep Dustin Penner, Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky together as the first line. It's working. -- Cut your losses and trade Cole. He's not producing. He's not re-signing in Edmonton as an unrestricted free agent. Get what you can for him -- picks, prospects, a bag of pucks. The sooner the better. -- Consider going with three offensive lines instead of the traditional two scoring lines, one checking line and an energy/grinding line format. Is there enough talent on the second and third lines with Sam Gagner, Andrew Cogliano, Robert Nilsson, Gilbert Brule, Pisani and Rob Schremp or Marc Pouliot in the mix as your second six? While I've said before I'd rather not have more than four "small" forwards on the roster, I'd look at this group for 10 games to find out. -- Establish a fourth line. For me, it's going to be captain Ethan Moreau on left wing and Kyle Brodziak at centre every game. The right winger is Zack Stortini or Steve MacIntyre, when he's healthy again.

3. FIX THE PK. Stop the presses! This season's miserable showing by the penalty killing is a bit of a mystery to me because the personnel up front -- Horcoff, Moreau, Pisani and Brodziak -- has proven capable in the past, although it's obvious the Oilers have lost too many face-offs leading directly to goals and aren't blocking shots like they have in past seasons. -- Given that I'd move Cole and would like to at least look at the mix of the seven forwards mentioned above as components of secondary scoring lines, I'd be looking to move No. 26 for a proven face-off man who can kill penalties. If that took Cole and, say, Pouliot, Nilsson or Schremp, so be it. -- Add a tough-as-nails-mean-as-hell defenceman (not named Jason Smith) capable of clearing the front of the net like a D9 Cat with a jammed throttle. See below.

4. TOUGHEN UP THE D. On paper, having a back end loaded with puck-movers makes sense -- and it certainly works for the Detroit Red Wings -- but the Oilers have sacrificed grit and shutdown capability with the personnel in place now. -- Keep any three from the group of Denis Grebeshkov, Tom Gilbert, Sheldon Souray and Lubomir Visnovsky and trade the odd-man for a proven veteran who can play a shutdown role. -- In my mind, the likeliest candidates to go are Gilbert and Grebeshkov because both are relatively soft and I'm not willing to give Grebeshkov a long-term contract to keep him. Besides, not many teams will take Souray's contract, despite a great start, because of his age and injury history. -- If I've got, say, Souray, Visnovsky and Gilbert as my three offensive D-men plus a shutdown guy for whoever I trade, then I'm keeping Staios and Smid as my fifth and sixth guys for now and Strudwick as my swing man.

5. TAKE STOCK. Who's who and what's what? -- Decide once and for all by the trade deadline if Brule and Schremp fit in the long-term plans. If they don't, move them. -- Get a read and make a call on whether Theo Peckham is ready to play in the NHL next season. How about Taylor Chorney? Any chance Jordan Eberle is ready for 2009-10? If he is, does that make one of the small forwards on the roster available as trade bait? -- Does Dubnyk factor into the goaltending picture at the NHL level next season? I'm guessing not, but my scouting staff has to be all over him for the rest of this season to find out if it's a possibility.

6. THE BOTTOM LINE. Pink slips for failure. -- If the Oilers miss the playoffs this season after tweaking and tinkering from the 40-game mark to the trade deadline, MacTavish and assistants Charlie Huddy, Bill Moores, Kelly Buchberger and Pete Peeters are sacked, fired, gone. No questions. No song and dance. Gone.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#115 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 05:55PM
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@ me: MacT is maybe one of the top two - three longest serving coaches next to Ruff. A new phrase this year is losing the room....????

1) Katz is a oilers fan and a hands off owner. 2) Katz has green lighted full cap expenditure to win. 2) Katz is the same age range as Lowe and 99. 3) Katz / Rexall benefits from the ownership via brand synergies. 4) Katz has purchased numerous oiler items for charity supporting the community.

An old boys network was FOG (FRIEND OF GRETZKY) in PHX - with gretzky's brother scouting, coffey being skating coach showing up when he felt like it, fuhrsie providing some instruction (still) and Barnett (former bartender and business agent advisor to WG) as GM.

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#116 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 05:57PM
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Chris wrote:

Klowe. Regrets how he handled Comrie so he bends over backwards for Pronger. Regrets not signing Smyth so he hands Horcoff a dream extension. Knee jerk reactions…or part of a deviously complex series of five year plans?

sounds like a deep oil diciple

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#117 me
January 06 2009, 06:07PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

@ me: MacT is maybe one of the top two - three longest serving coaches next to Ruff. A new phrase this year is losing the room….???? 1) Katz is a oilers fan and a hands off owner. 2) Katz has green lighted full cap expenditure to win. 2) Katz is the same age range as Lowe and 99. 3) Katz / Rexall benefits from the ownership via brand synergies. 4) Katz has purchased numerous oiler items for charity supporting the community. An old boys network was FOG (FRIEND OF GRETZKY) in PHX - with gretzky’s brother scouting, coffey being skating coach showing up when he felt like it, fuhrsie providing some instruction (still) and Barnett (former bartender and business agent advisor to WG) as GM.

I am aware of MacT's duration and coach and as I said I am not part of the "fire MacT" after every loss parade.

So far I am willing to be patient as this is a young team and I believe the Pronger episode put them back a few years.

But if the Oilers do miss the playoffs again this year, the Oilers must start to evaluate what keeps going wrong and I hope that Katz and or Lowe will have the foresight and courage to make the changes needed.

I am not in anyway against Katz (in fact I support his ownership as I could site many problems that arose over having too many owners) but I hope that if the worst does happen that he will make the changes necessary. (hopefully it doesn't come down to that)

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#118 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 06:14PM
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Chris wrote:

me wrote: Questions for Robin Since we are asking questions… Why are we still booing Comrie? It’s been years and years and the club has never delivered on it’s promise to clear the air… What REALLY happened? At the time I automatically sided with Lowe… now I’m not so sure.

RobinB your batter up

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#119 baggedmilk
January 06 2009, 06:23PM
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You dudes know there is no chance he is going to answer that right? Just saying.

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#120 rindog
January 06 2009, 06:43PM
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@ RobinB:

Yeah I read that when you posted before (and I agreed)but does it really have much to do with questioning the team make up from the outset (preseason)?

Even after the the to-do list is complete we still have the same set of of forwards as we had at the start of the year (except maybe the face-off PK guy in place of Cole and the shut down Dman). We still have the same goaltending options. The only thing that we are lacking is the mean Dman.

If I am not mistaken, the roster after the to-do list would look something like this:

Penner Horcoff Hemsky Gagner Cogliano Pisani Brule Yelle/Draper Pouliot (Schremp) Moreau Brodziak MacIntyre (Stortini)

Souray Gilbert Visnovsky Sauer/O'Donnell/Vandermeer/etc Staios Smid (Strudwick)

Garon Deslaurier

Those don't seem to be MAJOR changes to what we have now (or had at the start of the season).

Also, at the start of the year we didn't expect to have problems on the PK so I am not sure if you would have thought we needed that guy then (although I hardly think you would have traded Cole [or Pitkanen] for a Kris Draper or Stephane Yelle)??

The things that I see you wanting done have more to do with the coaching than the personnel...I think???

For me,

I thought we had a pretty good team at the start of year. I questioned numerous coaching/personnel positions that we started out with and can't help but think that is what led us to the position we are in now.

Some things really bothered me. I never liked the idea of splitting up our firstline for Cole. That being said, if Cole was supposed to be the answer for the first line (which never really seemed to be broken), how does he go from a 1st liner to a 3rd liner for the next 20+ games? No offence to Moreau or Pisani (or his replacement) but it would be hard for any winger to produce with those guys???

After not making 2nd year players prove themselves first... when the kids struggled for so long - wouldn't an obvious choice to help them out be to put a veteran goal scorer with them? Why did it take so long to try Cole with them?

Uggh....I will just stop now!!!

I guess what I am saying is - with a few minor teaks are we going to be a better team, playing the systems that we do? Or is it going to take a fundamental change in philosophy (ie. coaching) for this team to be consistently competitive?

Or maybe we are doomed either way??

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#121 baggedmilk
January 06 2009, 06:53PM
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I sound like a broken record but when does MacTavish become accountable for the teams mediocre play? As Robin posted before the turnover on this team in the past 3 seasons is unbelievable. I'm tired of the excuses, I want a new coach.

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#122 Chris
January 06 2009, 06:58PM
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C'mon Robin. Just tell us off the record...

Or as Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo.

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#123 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
January 06 2009, 07:03PM
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@ Deep Oil: I AGREE 100%

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#124 Chris
January 06 2009, 07:06PM
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I do find it odd that Coffee, Arnott, Comrie, Pronger, and every other Oiler who has ever left the orginization under curious circumstances were all accused of, or rumored to have had inappropriate sexual daliances...

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#125 Jason
January 06 2009, 07:11PM
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You can't say that. Someone here might get offended and you'll have to apologize for your joke.

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#126 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
January 06 2009, 07:16PM
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The Oilers will not make the playoffs,they will not fire Mac T,they will make a minor trade,they will still have a full hockey arena and a season ticket waiting list,no one will get blamed for missing the play offs and having a sub par season,we will not get a new arena any time soon.

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#127 Chris
January 06 2009, 07:35PM
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Caught Tambo on Gregor's show. Seems like Tambo thinks he has the last word on player movement. Has there been a power shift? Lowe claimed that he had final say back when Tambo was first brought in.

The MacIntyre acquisition remains as Tambo's only mark on this team... and the only player to launch me out of my seat at RX1 this year. I'm hoping for real and positive changes in the offseason... Changes to be made by Tambellini.

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#128 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 07:36PM
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@ Chris: When you are an oiler from then to now - be a denny andrews waitress, goose loonies waitress, grinder waitress (older cougar), earls waitress, and now a joeys girl - all you have to do is speed dial and it is full service for the hope of landing that hockey player by hook or by crook (pregnancy) the money is just too large now vs min wage and tips to not consider getting out of the hood.

Who hasn't seen the Oiler stanley cup photo with the stripper sitting in the cup...

With texting and facebook now - it is the horizontal mombo hookup just by logging on....

A smart hockey player would have a vasectomy to reduce the paternity payments and store some swimmers in the freezer. Sparky - I need some more extra large Trojans.... Living a single life as an NHL hockey player is like a buffet everyday - but in the end - some players really get bored with it - too much fluff no substance... so having inappropriate sexual relations is not the problem it is the volume and frequency that cause the issues of innuendo and heresay... forget NHl players - I know one player on the RUSH that never slept after each game as he had the blue smarties going and a lineup of phillies that an NHL player would die for - it was hilarious - so what is the big deal about sowing your oats - as long as you are not sleeping with your teammates wife, girlfriend or sister.

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#129 rindog
January 06 2009, 07:37PM
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@ Chris:

Don't forget the Boulerice acquisition and release....

I guess he is 50-50.

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#130 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 07:40PM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

The Oilers will not make the playoffs,they will not fire Mac T,they will make a minor trade,they will still have a full hockey arena and a season ticket waiting list,no one will get blamed for missing the play offs and having a sub par season,we will not get a new arena any time soon.

Is that because Katz cannot come up the $100 million he promised and the Northlands Lottery fund is not valid without private money - note to Mandel and friends the parking lot monopoly game is a hold for now. Taking the fans money is easy when people are lining up outside the building - no need to worry about performance - Toronto Maple Leafs west - the king wears no clothes

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#131 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 07:56PM
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@ RobinB: I am waiting for the book and video.

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#132 RobinB
January 06 2009, 08:08PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

Chris wrote: me wrote: Questions for Robin Since we are asking questions… Why are we still booing Comrie? It’s been years and years and the club has never delivered on it’s promise to clear the air… What REALLY happened? At the time I automatically sided with Lowe… now I’m not so sure. RobinB your batter up

Right. I'll be burning sources and souring relationships on something that, frankly, people should let go of and that doesn't matter any more.

One thing I will say, as to the accusation Comrie slept with Salo's wife, is that it's totally bogus. Mike's already denied it, but to add to that: when it looked like Anaheim and Edmonton had a deal before Lowe queered it by asking for money back, Mike's teammates, including Tommy, went to his house for a going away bash. If a guy's been messing with your wife, do you go over to his house to wish him well? Not where I come from.

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#133 Chris
January 06 2009, 08:09PM
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@ Deep Oil: I understand these guys get action... But Oiler Fans eagerly spread rumors like: Coffee was traded because he slept with Sather's wife, Arnott was gay, Comrie slept with Salo's wife, and Pronger got the A Channel Weather Girl pregnant...

Oiler fans. Give these guys some space. Don't spread lies. Accept your share of the blame for our inability to attract UFA's. Not everyone craves the limelight. I'm a huge geek uberfan, but I never bother these guys on the street or claim to know anything about their personal lives.

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#134 Chris
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@ RobinB: Thanks Robin. I never believed that one anyway...nor any of the above rumors either. Due to the cozy relationship between the media and the club good info is hard to come by. I seriously doubt this trend will improve under Katz... I believe it will get worse.

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#135 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 08:40PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Deep Oil: I understand these guys get action… But Oiler Fans eagerly spread rumors like: Coffee was traded because he slept with Sather’s wife, Arnott was gay, Comrie slept with Salo’s wife, and Pronger got the A Channel Weather Girl pregnant… Oiler fans. Give these guys some space. Don’t spread lies. Accept your share of the blame for our inability to attract UFA’s. Not everyone craves the limelight. I’m a huge geek uberfan, but I never bother these guys on the street or claim to know anything about their personal lives.

Coffey wanted more money - Slats was cheap via PUCK http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1066684/index.htm

Arnott was not into it - pregnancy. http://hfboards.com/archive/index.php/t-76533.html

Comrie was butting heads with lowe http://articles.latimes.com/2003/dec/11/sports/sp-ducktrade11

Salo was just plain bad - awful - head case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFQnIFN1pYo

Do you have any other rumors that need to be put to bed -ooops wrong word....

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#136 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 08:46PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Deep Oil: I understand these guys get action… But Oiler Fans eagerly spread rumors like: Coffee was traded because he slept with Sather’s wife, Arnott was gay, Comrie slept with Salo’s wife, and Pronger got the A Channel Weather Girl pregnant… Oiler fans. Give these guys some space. Don’t spread lies. Accept your share of the blame for our inability to attract UFA’s. Not everyone craves the limelight. I’m a huge geek uberfan, but I never bother these guys on the street or claim to know anything about their personal lives.

Pronger may of had a child out of wedlock in Edmonton (unproven) - but the bottom line if your wife is not happy - you are not happy - and when she has more money than you - she wears the pants in the family. No we did not burn his furniture on the street - as per JIM ROME / PRONGER LOVE IN INTERVIEW - JAB JAB EDM

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#137 Chris
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Pronger knew his wife. Pronger knew Edmonton. He signed a long term contract anyway... Then when the whole situation predictably deteriorates Lowe moves that big lying jerk quickly to avoid an ugly situation and this is how Pronger repays us. Deep Oil wrote:

No we did not burn his furniture on the street - as per JIM ROME / PRONGER LOVE IN INTERVIEW - JAB JAB EDM

This is why I Boooo!

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#138 Deep Oil
January 06 2009, 09:27PM
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@ Chris: You must be single - any guy in Edmonton can tell you that his wife can change her mind based on weather, period, mood, shopping, - so lets set the record straight - no man in the world can consistently predict what his wife is thinking..... arrrrghhh!!!!

How about this - why did Lowe pull the trigger based on Pronger's request so quickly - why not let him sit or not report for 5 months and see what happens - what was the rush - if he played in Edmonton on with a trade request - past history shows the rewards to trading to a team looking for that last piece is pretty rich at the deadline.... LOWE folded like a tent - should of told Pronger to either show up or wait till spring.. I could never figure out what the rush to appease PRONGER was from an organizational sense - he was professional in the playoffs - as stated - LOWE had a premature trigger finger here - and in retrospect dealing with Burke shows even more weakness...

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#139 tired of boring hockey
January 06 2009, 09:30PM
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This is not a good team. Tell yourself otherwise if you must, but be prepared to be disappointed.

Hey Robin...I guess that's most of us were trying to say a few weeks ago when you said "when we lose we're to low and when we win we're too high". Things need to change but it won't happen from what I got from Tambellini's interview with Gregor this afternoon

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#140 Dennis
January 06 2009, 09:53PM
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I could list how I'd construct and run the lines once 34-83 get back but we'll have to be extra-special at both EV and on the PP because we simply don't have the guys in-house to kill penalties.

I think that's clear to anyone who watches the games.

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#141 Chris
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@ Deep Oil: I have already stated earlier on this very thread that I believe the Pronger trade was a knee jerk reaction resulting from regret generated by the Comrie situation. Lowe SHOULD have got more. It's scandalous that he didn't. Oh and I am married. Women are easy to read and relatively stable if you LISTEN to them, and KNOW them at all. Pronger KNEW his blue blood princess wife would not fare well in working class Edmonton. The proletariat here think they are people too! How shocking this must have been for her to leave behind her servants and gated communities and exclusive social clubs to live in a place where family money doesn't insulate you from the masses... Oh and the weather...how could she have known a north Canadian city would be cold in the winter? It was a very predictable situation and shame on the Prongers, and shame on Lowe for being unrealistic about life in Edmonton. A large longterm contract was requested and Lowe obliged. Too bad it was never liklely to be honoured. I work in the Oilpatch and would never move my wife to the Middle East because I know that would be a recipe for personal disaster. Or maybe I should ignore the obvious, sign a big contract, force my family into an uncomfortable situation, and then breach my contract, blame the region, and spread lies about the inhabitants. Pronger gets BOOOOOOOOOh for being an elitist, a liar, and a person of poor character.

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#142 rindog
January 06 2009, 10:20PM
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@ Chris:

But man, is he ever a good hockey player!!!!!

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#143 Antony Ta
January 06 2009, 11:48PM
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What confuses me most is how the Oilers seem to show up for some big games and disappear for large stretches for the rest of the season. Is there no professionalism left or is that just a word coaches throw around in interviews just because?

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#144 Rick
January 07 2009, 08:44AM
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Antony Ta wrote:

What confuses me most is how the Oilers seem to show up for some big games and disappear for large stretches for the rest of the season.

Earlier in the discussion Brownlee asked what constitutes broken. This pretty much sums it up for me.

Having a good team doesn't mean that they win every game but it damn well better mean that they play with a complete effort consistantly. You can lose while playing well the same way you can win while playing bad.

This team has done more of the latter and for me that is the crux of my disappointment with this season. It's hard enough to count their complete single game efforts this year never mind looking for a string of complete games.

For me that means it is definately broken.

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#145 Colin
January 07 2009, 10:22AM
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On the nose Robin, on the nose.

An Ugly, ugly game and another ping pong between good and bad efforts. The good efforts seem to be occurring more frequently though of late so just maybe they will improve. Full marks to the 4th line on Monday though.

Part of me says that it's growing pains with so many young players, but then why are so many veterans not showing up?

You sort of wonder if there are some hurt feelings among some of the vets about all of the bodies that have left and they are showing their displeasure in this manner.

A couple questions for Robin:

Would you still ship Cole out?

Any chance of Quinn coming here?

Will you be on Gregor's show today? - I'll probably get flamed for this, but those are the shows I prefer.

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#146 J-Bird
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Personally, for me, all this frustration from fans is the result of coming to realization that this team isn't very good................for the 3rd year in a row.

We got to puff our chests out for like 2 days after the 2006 Stanley Cup run before the wheels fell off the wagon.

After years of not being a very good team....

And that darn realization that they aren't very good again, and despite what your heart tells you, your brain says it's not going to be a very good team for some time....

and fans are FRUSTRATED with the same old song and dance and no changes of any substance.

And on top of that, we get the Rah, Rah type media coverage from the Sun and Journal (not this place thank god) which only fuels the disappointment when they suck year after year.

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