GDB IV: Les Canadiens fous et l'Huile de Pat Quinn

Jason Gregor
October 10 2009 02:13PM

What a week it has been for Edmonton fans! Your heart has been broken three times in the final minutes this week. Twice against your biggest rival, and to add some salt in the wound the Esks’ choked last night as well.

And to make things even more fun for those going to Rexall tonight you’ll be joined by the 9th most annoying fans in sports.

I graduated from J.H Picard, and I hated the Habs because of my classmates. Their singing in the hallways after a Canadiens’ win made me up-chuck my poutine, and when they lost they always had some lame excuse. For your sake, I hope you don’t have to endure one of their songs tonight.

Jarome Iginla, Sheldon Souray and Pat Quinn distracted most of you away from the fact the Oilers have already given up a goal in the final minute of a game; TWICE.

And another concern is why Quinn feels the need to hide his line combinations from the opposition. On Thursday morning’s skate, Quinn had juggled his lines.

He had Dustin Penner with 10 and 83. He’d moved Sam Gagner between 19 and 22, he put Gilbert Brule in the middle of 91 and 32, and he had Andrew Cogliano flanked by 18 and 46. Even during warm up, he had these lines doing rushes, until finally switching back to lines we saw on Thursday night.

What is the point of this?

Why have players practice together, but then not play together. Quinn has consistently rolled four lines so far this year, so why was he worried about trying to fool the Flames?

This morning the lines looked like this:

Jacques — Horcoff — Hemsky

Stone — Gagner — O’Sullivan

Penner — Brule — Comrie

Moreau — Cogliano — Stortini

It is refreshing to see Quinn so adamant that his players make the right play at key times. He has pointed out the mistakes of players from Hemsky to Smid, and that is great. But it’s time to show some faith in his players.

Trying to hide your line combinations from the opposition is ridiculous. Believe that whoever you put out there will succeed. I think it is great that none of the players are comfortable with their role on the team, but resorting to a Cloak and Dagger attitude with the lines makes no sense.

He wants his players to be tough and to stand up for one another; then he needs to be part of that as well.

I have no problem with the new combinations; in fact I’d take Jacques of the top line and put Penner there, because the first line hasn’t played well so far, but if you he wants his players to practice like they play, what is the point of practicing with players you won’t play with?

The Canadiens are reeling having surrendered eleven goals in their past two games. Their blueline isn’t very good with Markov out four months.

The Oilers need to stay aggressive and be physical. The Habs blueliners aren’t the greatest puck handlers, and they’ll be prone to giveaways if the Oilers stay on them.

Steve Staios will draw back in tonight. He’ll play with Ladislav Smid while the other pairings remain the same. Souray is listed as day-to-day, and I’d only be guessing on when he’ll return. Concussions, whether they are mild or serious, are tough to gauge. They hope he’ll be ready for Monday’s game in Nashville, but they won’t rush him back. He was pretty out of hit after the hit.

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#1 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:19PM
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What's poutine? Oh... you mean mozza fries. Big test for the Oil tonight. They should be able to pull off a win. In fact, Oil 4-2 over Habs, and The Nation drinks on!

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#2 sofapimp
October 10 2009, 02:20PM
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didnt quinn say the lines at practice the other day were because of some guys not there

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#3 Horcsky
October 10 2009, 02:20PM
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Headin' to the game tonight at RX1! Predictions: -Lubo scores first goal -Pat Quinn breaks a stick over Grebeshkov's head after a bad giveaway -Khabibulin breaks a stick over the first d-man to score an own goal -Oil win 4-2

GOILERS!

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#4 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:20PM
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That was a different day

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#5 Archaeologuy
October 10 2009, 02:25PM
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I'm not thinking that it's jacques or hemsky pulling the top line down, but that's just me. I'm just being consistent here, but at what point (and it's early yet i know) will someone finally say "maybe this isnt the best fit for Horc".

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#6 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:26PM
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@Archaeologuy

Who better?

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#7 Archaeologuy
October 10 2009, 02:27PM
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@RossCreekNation

Mozza fries? Poutine ranks highest on the list of the greatest things Quebec has done for mankind, show some respect.

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#8 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:29PM
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@Archaeologuy

Roun' these parts we just call em mozza fries. Why call it poutine? When you pull up to the stop sign do you arret or do you stop?

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#9 Archaeologuy
October 10 2009, 02:29PM
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@Archaeologuy

On paper? Not anyone glaring, but there has to be a point where the lack of production forces someone's hand to break up the top line doesnt there? You dont just keep guys together even if they dont work well just because that's how its been for a while.

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#10 Archaeologuy
October 10 2009, 02:31PM
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@RossCreekNation

Around these parts its called a donair, not shaved meat in a pita just because the word donair doesnt sound english. I'm just sayin.

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#11 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:31PM
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@Archaeologuy

In fact, a guy might need some mozza fries rite away. Or maybe donair. Ding! Ding! Ding! Bof' of em.

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#12 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:33PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

On paper? Not anyone glaring, but there has to be a point where the lack of production forces someone's hand to break up the top line doesnt there? You dont just keep guys together even if they dont work well just because that's how its been for a while.

Fair enough. Tend to think I'd try another winger (maybe Comrie or O'Sullivan or even Cogliano) before I'd look at replacing Horcoff though.

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#13 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 02:34PM
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I'm not sure why Hemsky seems exempted from line demotion, the has played worse than my sister for far to long. This wants to be "the man" he needs to find his nuts and be a "man". Take this team on your back, make smart plays and would it kill you to forcheck a little bit. I don't think this is too much to ask for from our "best" player, esspecially considering that he is one of our bigger forwards at 6 feet and 190ish lbs. After playing with Smytty for all those years you'd think the guy might have learned something about taking the team on his back. That's how I see it any way.

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#14 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:35PM
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@Archaeologuy

Have you seriously never called them mozza fries before? Or heard the phrase? I know its called poutine, I'm just being silly, but I've seen it on menu's just as mozza fries many times. That's probably what I refer to them as most often (no disrespect to "poutine").

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#15 bingofuel
October 10 2009, 02:37PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Roun' these parts we just call em mozza fries. Why call it poutine? When you pull up to the stop sign do you arret or do you stop?

Dude, if it's just mozza fries you're eating, then you aren't eating real poutine.

The cheesy ingredient in poutine is cheese curds, not mozzarella.

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#16 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:39PM
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@bingofuel

Maybe I prefer mozza fries then. I've had both and honestly didn't know there was a difference. Not a big poutine fan. Or maybe not a big gravy fan. It is gravy, right?

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#17 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:40PM
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I'd rather have fries with BBQ sauce or cheese n salsa or cheese and meat sauce... but maybe thats just me.

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#18 bingofuel
October 10 2009, 02:40PM
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@RossCreekNation

It's probably gravy... Or, you know, whatever the word for gravy is in French.

I don't like poutine either, man. I'm just ribbin' ya because it's fun. :P

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#19 dragon
October 10 2009, 02:41PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Fair enough. Tend to think I'd try another winger (maybe Comrie or O'Sullivan or even Cogliano) before I'd look at replacing Horcoff though.

maybe it is time to try Horc down 3rd line, as a wake-up call. So far JFJ created the only goal that 1st line produced...I'd keep him. At least until Hemmer finally wakes up.

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#20 freeze
October 10 2009, 02:41PM
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I propose a toast to no deflection goals against tonight! If we can stop scoring on ourselves we will have a chance.

Go Oil!

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#21 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2009, 02:43PM
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@RossCreekNation

Gravy curds.

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#22 Smokin' Ray
October 10 2009, 02:44PM
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GAME DAY!!!

Oilers vs. Habs

GOILERS! Wooooo!

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#23 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:45PM
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@dragon

Why to the 3rd line? He's not a 3rd liner. He's a great 2nd liner, and as Willis and others have pointed out, possibly even a legitimate 1st line center. IMO he's prob in that 24-36 range (without looking in to things deeper).

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#24 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:46PM
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Why I outta...

*shakes fist repeatedly at computer screen*

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#25 Bruce Wanye
October 10 2009, 02:50PM
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Hey did y'all hear... RossCreek predicted an Oilers win!

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#26 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2009, 02:52PM
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@Bruce Wanye

The reasons are twofold:

Your enemy's enemy is your ally;

and

He's not looking to exacerbate any ill-will folks here harbour towards the Flames at the moment.

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#27 Kingsblade
October 10 2009, 02:52PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Roun' these parts we just call em mozza fries. Why call it poutine? When you pull up to the stop sign do you arret or do you stop?

What parts are those? I'm pretty sure you and I live in the same city and I've never even heard "mozza fries" before.

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#28 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:56PM
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@Kingsblade

Around Edmonton. Seriously, you never heard 'mozza fries' before? Not positive, but I think Burger Baron serves 'mozza fries'. I could be wrong. Maybe it was just small-town restaraunts that I've seen it at. I didn't think it was an uncommon reference.

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#29 dragon
October 10 2009, 02:57PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Why to the 3rd line? He's not a 3rd liner. He's a great 2nd liner, and as Willis and others have pointed out, possibly even a legitimate 1st line center. IMO he's prob in that 24-36 range (without looking in to things deeper).

I totally agree. He normally is. First games though we didn't show much of a first line altogether. I strictly meant it as a wake-up call...However, maybe Quinn will give them first 10 games to find the chemistry.

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#30 Kingsblade
October 10 2009, 02:58PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Around Edmonton. Seriously, you never heard 'mozza fries' before? Not positive, but I think Burger Baron serves 'mozza fries'. I could be wrong. Maybe it was just small-town restaraunts that I've seen it at. I didn't think it was an uncommon reference.

Odd. I even (sadly) eat out 4 or 5 times a week. No matter.

For some reason, and not just because you are a flames fan, I thought you lived in Calgary.

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#31 shawnj
October 10 2009, 02:59PM
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@RossCreekNation

The difference is that mozza fries are made with mozzarella - proper poutine is made with cheese curds. Some restaurants try to put mozza and gravy on fries and call it poutine, but that's a food abomination.

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#32 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 02:59PM
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@Bruce Wanye

Bruce, you sexy b!tch, indeed I did.

Bruce Wanye in the mu'phukin house!

;-)

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#33 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 03:01PM
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Nope. Worked down there for most of the spring/summer, but I live just outside eTown. Dude, Peter's Drive-In is the cats meow! Did the whole Souray-Iginla thing get much play down there?

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#34 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2009, 03:04PM
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shawnj wrote:

The difference is that mozza fries are made with mozzarella - proper poutine is made with cheese curds. Some restaurants try to put mozza and gravy on fries and call it poutine, but that's a food abomination.

Aren't the cheese curds that are used in poutine mozzarella cheese curds? I thought curds were just one of the stages of processing, once it separates from the milk liquids.

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#35 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 03:04PM
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@Ross Creek trying a different winger with Horc and Hemmer may work. But I ask this, why are these two guys(Horcoff/Hemsky) always together? What have they really done since we traded Symth away? Not awhole lot. Everyone comes up with takes on line combos but no one ever seperates these two, like they're siamese twins or something. They don't work that well together to not try breaking them up. Not even the Mac-T blender could break them up. I don't get it.

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#36 Librarian Mike
October 10 2009, 03:07PM
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freeze wrote:

I propose a toast to no deflection goals against tonight! If we can stop scoring on ourselves we will have a chance.

Go Oil!

Way to reach for the stars, dude. Hahaha.

I'll drink to that, though!

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#37 dragon
October 10 2009, 03:08PM
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Paq Twinn wrote:

@Ross Creek trying a different winger with Horc and Hemmer may work. But I ask this, why are these two guys(Horcoff/Hemsky) always together? What have they really done since we traded Symth away? Not awhole lot. Everyone comes up with takes on line combos but no one ever seperates these two, like they're siamese twins or something. They don't work that well together to not try breaking them up. Not even the Mac-T blender could break them up. I don't get it.

'cause Horc got really good at putting up with Hemmer all-over-the-ice style. imo.

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#38 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 03:15PM
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@Dragon Maybe if someone, anyone, got a chance, they could get used to Hemmer's style. The problem is no one gets that chance, unless they play left wing.

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#39 BarryS
October 10 2009, 03:21PM
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People who put cheeze in fries would put gravy on salad. Fies were invented for salt and ketchup and to be eaten with fingers. Anyway else is for barbarians.

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#40 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2009, 03:22PM
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Malt vinegar. Mmmm.

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#41 Kingsblade
October 10 2009, 03:24PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Nope. Worked down there for most of the spring/summer, but I live just outside eTown. Dude, Peter's Drive-In is the cats meow! Did the whole Souray-Iginla thing get much play down there?

Mostly incredulity at Quinn's comments.

The problem is that Iginla could punch a baby and step on a kitten while robbing a 7-11 at gunpoint and nobody here would question it.

Sadly Peter's is not what it used to be, but I still partake from time to time.

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#42 freeze
October 10 2009, 03:26PM
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It's still early!! ;)

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#43 Librarian Mike
October 10 2009, 03:27PM
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The problem is that Iginla could punch a baby and step on a kitten while robbing a 7-11 at gunpoint and nobody here would question it.

I'll bet they would if he was naked. Just saying...

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#44 Ninjafoot
October 10 2009, 03:27PM
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Boo Habs !! Yay Poutine !!!

Oilers get it together and take out their frustrations on the Frenchies.

Oil 5 - Habs 2

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#45 shawnj
October 10 2009, 03:31PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

I'm not cheese maker but I believe you are correct :) I do know that the texture and taste of the curds change once it is made into mozzarella. In general cheese curds will be saltier then mozza.

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#46 Word
October 10 2009, 03:34PM
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Gregor, that most annoying fans list is priceless. I love this quote about Canucks Fans (#5):

"Next time you see a suspected pyramid schemer in the corner of a trendy wine bar sporting a $200 hair cut, $900 suit, and emanating a distinct air of scumbag from his Drakkar Noir-soaked pores - go ahead and ask him about Kevin Bieksa, because odds are he’s a Vancouver Canucks fan and doesn't want to cry himself to sleep again before throwing out obscene predictions about the Norris Trophy."

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#47 Robin Brownlee
October 10 2009, 03:57PM
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Word wrote:

Gregor, that most annoying fans list is priceless. I love this quote about Canucks Fans (#5):

"Next time you see a suspected pyramid schemer in the corner of a trendy wine bar sporting a $200 hair cut, $900 suit, and emanating a distinct air of scumbag from his Drakkar Noir-soaked pores - go ahead and ask him about Kevin Bieksa, because odds are he’s a Vancouver Canucks fan and doesn't want to cry himself to sleep again before throwing out obscene predictions about the Norris Trophy."

That's just damn fine writing there . . .

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#48 Senator Theo
October 10 2009, 03:59PM
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freeze wrote:

I propose a toast to no deflection goals against tonight! If we can stop scoring on ourselves we will have a chance.

Go Oil!

I second that. If we can get through a game with out tipping one in our own net, I'll be pleased.

And RossCreek: Mozza Fries? Seriously? I know we're not in QC, but i think we can still say Poutine here.

What about MAB? Anyone know if he is in the habs lineup tonight?

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#49 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 04:16PM
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@Senator Theo

"Mozza fries" is the term I've used more frequently in my life and its not as a disrespect to Quebec. Not that I'm saying I do respect them either. French toast is french toast in my world FYI

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#50 David S
October 10 2009, 04:22PM
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"Mozza fries"??? Sounds like something at A & W. Otherwise, here in Edmonton its "Poutine". Speaking of which, can anybody here in Oilertown recommend a place for wicked poutine? Now that the boys posted the picture, I've been craving.

As far as the game tonight, I figure everything's up in the air until we get our first line figured out. PDP and the kids have been doing a reat job of filling in, but until Horcoff and Hemsky start producing, pretty much anything can happen. Man I'd give my left nut to have a bonafied difference maker on this team.

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