Around the league - Oct 22 2009

Jason Gregor
October 22 2009 08:29AM

This past week Nick Lidstrom became only the 8th defenseman to register 1,000 points. The 53rd pick in the 1989 draft is quietly putting himself in the conversation of greatest defenseman ever.

Lidstrom doesn’t seem to get the fanfare he deserves. His game is so effective we sometimes overlook how good he has been. Only Bobby Orr (8) and Doug Harvey (7) have more Norris Trophies than Lidstrom’s six, and Lidstrom might have seven if there wasn’t the lockout.

Lidstrom never put up spectacular numbers, his best season was 80 points in 2006, but his offensive numbers are solid, but his defensive play is top-notch. Lidstrom might be the best European player to ever play, and when his career is over he will be considered a top-five defender and maybe the best ever.

With his 1,000 point he joined an elite crew of scoring defenders, Ray Bourque (1,579), Paul Coffey (1,531), Al MacInnis (1,274), Phil Housley (1,232), Larry Murphy (1,216), Denis Potvin (1,052) and Brian Leetch (1,028).

Back in 1989 not many thought he would turn out this good, in fact he wasn’t even drafted as an 18-year-old in 1988, but instead he was taken as a 19-year-old. Here are the D-men who were taken before him in 1989.

  • Adam Bennett, 6th overall to Chicago, 69 games and eleven points.
  • Doug Zmolek, 7th overall to Minnesota, 467 games and 64 points.
  • Jason Herter, 8th overall to Vancouver, 1 games and one point.
  • Jason Marshall, 9th overall to St. Louis, 526 games and 67 points.
  • Kevin Haller, 14th overall to Buffalo, 642 games and 138 points.
  • Jason Soules, 15th overall to Edmonton, No games.
  • Jamie Heward, 16th overall to Pittsburgh, 394 games 124 points.
  • Steve Bancroft, 21st overall to Toronto, six games and one point.
  • Adam Foote, 22nd overall to Quebec, 1040 games and 291 points.
  • Dan Ratushny, 25th overall to Winnipeg, one game and one point.
  • Mike Speer, 27th overall to Chicago, No games.
  • Patrice Brisebois, 30th overall to Montreal, 1009 games and 420 points.
  • Rick Corriveau, 31st overall to St. Louis, No games.
  • Bob Boughner, 32nd overall to Detroit, 630 games and 72 points. (Even the Wings didn’t think Lidstrom was the best D-man available.)
  • Paul Laus, 37th overall to Pittsburgh, 530 games and 72 points.
  • Brent Thompson, 39th overall to LA, 121 games and 11 points.
  • Bob Kellogg, 48th overall to Chicago, No games.
  • Veli-Pekka Kautonen, 50th overall to Calgary, No games.

The Blackhawks took three defensemen ahead of Lidstrom that year, talk about a bad year for the Hawks scouting staff.

Nikolai Khabulin is now tied with Olaf Kolzig 21st overall with most career wins, 303. Three more wins and Khabibulin will pass Billy Smith (305) and be in the top 20. If he wins 37 games this season he will pass Sean Burke (324), Harry Lumley (330) and Gump Worsley (335), putting Khabibulin 17th overall. If he finishes his contract with the Oilers, and wins an average of 20 games the next three years he could crack the top ten.

Some other milestones or career rankings that should fall this year:

  • With two more goals Mike Modano will pass the Rocket, Maurice Richard with 545 career goals.
  • With one more OT goal, Patrik Elias becomes the career leader with 16. He is currently tied with Jaromir Jagr, Mats Sundin and Sergei Fedorov with 15.
  • Mark Recchi needs one more assist for 900 in his career. He will pass Bryan Trottier (901) at some point this season and move into 17th on the all-time assists list. And he needs three more GP, to become only the 13th player in NHL history to play 1,500 games.
  • With his 21 PIMs so far this year, Donald Brashear is now 15th all-time in PIMs with 2,582. He needs 203 more to catch Scott Stevens for 14th.
  • Paul Kariya needs 48 points for 1,000, while Alexia Kovalev needs 55.

Ice girl of the week

This week I give the slow clap to a group of Blackhawks Ice girls. I know this is back-to-back weeks with a Chicago girl, but the picture above showcases the benefits of Ice Girls.

Random thoughts

The NFL has Mr. Irrelevant, a moniker given to the last pick in the NFL draft, but the NHL has no such thing. Patric Hornqvist was the last pick, 230th in 2005, but is off to a great start for the Predators with two goals and six points in seven games. He is only the 9th player who was taken with final pick, since 1979, to have played in the NHL.

  • 2002: Detroit took, Jonathon Ericsson 291st. Is hurt but should be a solid contributor.
  • 1997: Boston chose Jay Henderson 246th. Played 33 games.
  • 1994: NYR took Kim Johnsson 286th. Currently playing with the Wild, has played in 686 career games.
  • 1993: Pittsburgh took Hans Jonsson 286th and he played 242 games for the Pens.
  • 1988: Calgary chose Sergei Pryakhin 252nd. He played 46 games over three years.
  • 1987: Oilers took Igor Vyazmikin 252nd. He played four games for the Oil in 1991.
  • 1980: Philly took Andy Brickley 210th. He played 385 games and registered 222 points.
  • 1979: Edmonton took Blair Barnes 126th. He played one game for the L.A Kings.

I love a good fight and a good hit, but why does it seem every time we witness a bone-crushing hit the guy who dished out the hit gets jumped. Last night, Willie Mitchell crushed Jonathon Toews with a clean open-ice hit. Kris Versteeg wrestled with Mitchell right after and both got minors. Mitchell shouldn’t have to turtle, and he shouldn’t have to sit for two minutes because Versteeg got in his face.

Now that the Islanders won in a shoot out last night, the Leafs are the only winless team left and I’m happy for Brian Burke. His pompous attitude, short hypocrite memory and overall smug attitude make me cheer against the Leafs. I’d love nothing more than to see the Leafs finish dead last, win the lottery and watch Burke squirm as the Boston Bruins select Taylor Hall first overall.

In the summer many said Ryan Smyth had no chance to make the Olympic team, in fact Ryan Rishaug and I debated in at length, and I said you can’t rule him out. I never thought he’d produce like he is, but if he is in the top-twenty in scoring come December he will make the squad, because Steve Yzerman and crew know what to expect from Smyth. He is still the best in the league in front of the net, and never shies away from getting greasy.

Regular season NHL drafts that don’t allow reserve players are stupid. One major injury and your draft is over. Now that Marc Savard is out for six weeks, I’m done. Losing a draft due to an injury is bogus.

Leader through the week

Here are the top ten in pts, goals, assists and other stats.

Goals:

  • Nine: Alex Ovechkin
  • Seven: Ilya Kovalchuk, Patrick Marleau and Devon Setoguchi
  • Six: Dany Heatley, Ryan Smyth, Alex Semin, Ryan Malone, Marian Gaborik and Mike Richards

Assists:

  • Twelve: Joe Thornton (leads for the second straight week).
  • Nine: Nicklas Backstrom
  • Eight: Vinny Prospal, Anze Kopitar, Marty St.Louis and Henrik Sedin.
  • Seven: Ovechkin (no assists this week), Smyth, Rick Nash and Evgeni Malkin, Rene Bourque, Dan Boyle, Matt Carle, Erik Johnson and Jason Demers. Hands up anyone who has heard of Jason Demers before reading this? The rookie D-man for the Sharks has four assists in his last two games.

Points:

  • Sixteen: Ovechkin
  • Fourteen: Thornton
  • Thirteen: Smyth and Kopitar.
  • Twelve: ealtey, and Gaborik.
  • Eleven: Nash, Bourque, Malkin, Prospal, St.Louis, H. Sedin and Backstrom.

Plus/Minus:

  • +11: Nicklas Grossman
  • +9: Ladislav Smid, Brandon Dubinsky, Alex Goligoski, Stephane Robidas and Ovechkin.
  • +8: Scott Hannan, Henrik Tallinder, Jan Hejda and Curtis Glencross.
  • +7: Five players tied.

PP Goals:

  • Four: Mike Richards, Devon Setoguchi and Ryan Smyth
  • Three: Michael Del Zotto, Rich Peverley, Steven Stamkos, Andrew Brunette, Mikael Samuellson, Raffi Torres and Matt Stajan.

Hits:

  • 38: Ryan Callahan leads for second straight week.
  • 34: Dustin Brown
  • 32: J.F Jacques and Chris Neil
  • 30: Matt Cooke and Troy Brouwer
  • 29: Andrew Alberts, Cody Mcleod
  • 28: Ovechkin
  • 26: Five tied with 26

Shots:

  • 61: Ovechkin had 19 shots this week with four goals.
  • 41: Samuelsson had 20 shots this week, but only one goal.
  • 39: Gaborik
  • 37: Alex Burrows
  • 34: Malkin
  • 33: Eric Staal, Michael Cammalleri, Zach Parise, Dustin Brown and Setoguchi.

Final point(s)

Sidney Crosby, Jonathon Toews, Zach Parise and Jamie Langenbrunner are two-for-two in shoot outs this year. They are the only players perfect with more than one opportunity.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 22 2009, 08:35AM
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Niimaki, Riesen, Bosignore, Arnott, Leroux, Soberlak, Coffey and Lowe.

Anyone know what those guys mean in terms of Gregor's post?

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#2 Colin
October 22 2009, 08:42AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

That the Oilers have sucked at drafting for 15 to 20 years?

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#3 Librarian Mike
October 22 2009, 08:46AM
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While I still think it was a good idea for Smyth to move on, I'm really glad he's having some success with the Kings. That team is really starting to shape up into a solid group.

Kopitar seems to have come from that alternate dimension where Hemsky 'makes the next move' into superstardom like they've been predicting for the last decade. When I was traveling in Spain, I ran into a couple from Slovenia. I asked them about whether Kopitar is a big deal there, and they said, "Are you kidding? He's GOD." I laughed my a$$ off.

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#4 Stall35
October 22 2009, 08:48AM
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I like that the ice girl on the vary right is actually wearing hockey skates!...what's this post about again? Never made it past the pic.

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#5 freeze
October 22 2009, 08:51AM
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There is a lot to like in Chicago these days, the picture proves that.

Thanks for the article, Jason.

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#6 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 22 2009, 08:57AM
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Colin wrote:

That the Oilers have sucked at drafting for 15 to 20 years?

Close. Those guys were the Oil's first picks the year that those guys that were drafted last overall.

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#7 blu
October 22 2009, 09:03AM
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I'll just jump on this and predict the ol' 4-2 win for the mighty Oil tonight.

That is all.

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#8 Librarian Mike
October 22 2009, 09:05AM
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blu wrote:

I'll just jump on this and predict the ol' 4-2 win for the mighty Oil tonight.

That is all.

I'm in for 3-1 Oilers.

Who are they playing tonight, anyway?

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#9 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 22 2009, 09:26AM
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@Librarian Mike

Garon's going to be in net.

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#10 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
October 22 2009, 09:52AM
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Jason I feel your pain via injuries in the draft. In the 07-08 season I had both Gagne and Souray... playing in a combined total of 51 games that season.

On another note it great to see that JF Jacques is right up there with the hit leaders.

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#11 roughneck
October 22 2009, 10:03AM
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Some days... its good to be a shovel....

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#12 Oilersordeath
October 22 2009, 10:11AM
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GODDAMMIT!! Those lucky Casuck pieces of sh!t, I cant believe they cheesedicked the Blackhawks last night! I Hate the FU%$ING Casucks!! Poop on them all!!

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#13 Deans
October 22 2009, 10:11AM
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Call me a prude but I'm thankful that the Oilers dont have scantidly clad ice girls.

The Mitchell hit was clean. I'm so tired of players taking offense and seeking retribution every time a player gets nailed with a clean hit. It's hockey.

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#14 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
October 22 2009, 10:13AM
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Oilersordeath wrote:

GODDAMMIT!! Those lucky Casuck pieces of sh!t, I cant believe they cheesedicked the Blackhawks last night! I Hate the FU%$ING Casucks!! Poop on them all!!

How do you really feel?

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#15 Rogue
October 22 2009, 10:13AM
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That bald guy on the bottom left hand side is staring at the girls like a cat at a wounded bird....Hey, wait a minute, I can't see his hands??!!!!

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#16 The Towel Boy
October 22 2009, 10:21AM
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I was going thru my old hockey cards a few weeks back. I came across a couple Nicklas Lidstrom rookie cards. ...that's my story.

Man...what a wasted youth. I should have invested those hard earned lawn mowing dollars into some internet start up IPO or something.

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#17 Victoria
October 22 2009, 10:26AM
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You're an old perv, Gregor.

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#18 Dyckster
October 22 2009, 10:28AM
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Is it just me, or does the brunette look like she's wearing 2 left footed figure skates?

Why did I notice that? F'd if I know.

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#19 Dan the Man
October 22 2009, 10:28AM
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Deans wrote:

Call me a prude but I'm thankful that the Oilers dont have scantidly clad ice girls.

The Mitchell hit was clean. I'm so tired of players taking offense and seeking retribution every time a player gets nailed with a clean hit. It's hockey.

Prude.

The Mitchell hit was clean but I think it's ingrained in hockey players to stand up for team mates and I don't have a problem with someone going after Mitchell. Toews is the Hawks captain and one of their best players, I think it's fine to send the message that it's NOT OK to mess with our top guys and that we WILL stick up for one another.

Now with that being said, will it discourage Mitchell from doing it again if he has the opportunity?

Absolutely not

If Mitchell does that to Hemsky on Sunday I think every Oiler fan would expect the closest Oiler to grab Mitchell and start feeding him

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#20 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 22 2009, 10:32AM
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@Oilersordeath

Even by taking the context into account, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'cheesedicked'.

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#21 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 22 2009, 10:34AM
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Dyckster wrote:

Is it just me, or does the brunette look like she's wearing 2 left footed figure skates?

Why did I notice that? F'd if I know.

LOL. You do realize what that is, right?

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#22 Dyckster
October 22 2009, 10:42AM
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Ogden Bro Jr.

Seriously dude, I don't. I've considered every possible scenario and it still looks like she's wearing 2 left skates. Enlighten me, what did I miss? The only thing I can think of is the girl to her right has HER left skate in between the brunette's skates (what I'd give to be that skate, nice view...)

AND, how bloody dumb is this conversation anyway? Intriguing, but dumb.

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#23 roughneck
October 22 2009, 10:44AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Prude.

The Mitchell hit was clean but I think it's ingrained in hockey players to stand up for team mates and I don't have a problem with someone going after Mitchell. Toews is the Hawks captain and one of their best players, I think it's fine to send the message that it's NOT OK to mess with our top guys and that we WILL stick up for one another.

Now with that being said, will it discourage Mitchell from doing it again if he has the opportunity?

Absolutely not

If Mitchell does that to Hemsky on Sunday I think every Oiler fan would expect the closest Oiler to grab Mitchell and start feeding him

yah... if no one takes him on then chicago is heartless as a team.. or perceived to be... the natural instinct of a hockey player is to react not to analyze if the hit was clean, or not,, if the pass was suicidal,, or not. They saw toews doing the bambi ballet and they reacted, its kind of the nature of the beast.

Semenko was employed on a pretty good players line in this town for quite a while....... and his role was evidently clear. Would mitchell have done it..... perhaps.... but retribution would have been MUCH more concise... head down suicide pass or not.

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#24 I'm a Scientist!
October 22 2009, 10:59AM
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@Dyckster

Yeah, it is the other girls skate. It is a bit hard to tell, but the girl in the fronts leg goes at an angle with the shovel handle...

I like girls. Not enough girls in The Lab, so thank you Gregor.

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#25 David S
October 22 2009, 11:07AM
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Has anybody ever definitively figured out why we have no Ice Girls in Edmonton? To borrow from Jason..."C'mon man!".

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#26 Bucknuck
October 22 2009, 11:08AM
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Colin wrote:

That the Oilers have sucked at drafting for 15 to 20 years?

~ Arnott, Lowe and Coffey were terrible picks.

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#27 Dyckster
October 22 2009, 11:09AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Yeah, it is the other girls skate. It is a bit hard to tell, but the girl in the fronts leg goes at an angle with the shovel handle...

I like girls. Not enough girls in The Lab, so thank you Gregor.

No matter, the brunette is SMOKIN. She looks a little dirty (in a good way) too.

Oh, as far as the hit goes good hit but someone had to go after Mitchell. Dan the Man hit it dead on, if that was Hemsky, Gagne, or whoever on the receiving end of a similar hit we'd be pissed if no one went after the culprit.

@Deans honestly, if an Oiler was staggering around centre ice and no one came to his rescue, what would you think?

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#28 freeze
October 22 2009, 11:09AM
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Dyckster wrote:

Ogden Bro Jr.

Seriously dude, I don't. I've considered every possible scenario and it still looks like she's wearing 2 left skates. Enlighten me, what did I miss? The only thing I can think of is the girl to her right has HER left skate in between the brunette's skates (what I'd give to be that skate, nice view...)

AND, how bloody dumb is this conversation anyway? Intriguing, but dumb.

I see that too. Probably a chop job. It also looks like she has a very, very skinny calf.

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#29 freeze
October 22 2009, 11:11AM
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@I'm a Scientist!

ah, yes, now I see how her leg goes forward and that skate is the second girl.

Praise Science!

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#30 The Towel Boy
October 22 2009, 11:11AM
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*Tries to find two left legs in ice girl picture*

*gets sidetracked*

Look at them run those shovels...yeah, you like that don't you...you dirty little shovel runners.

*bites lip*

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#31 shawnj
October 22 2009, 11:46AM
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All of those ice girls look underage which makes your obsession with the idea of them rather creepy.

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#32 roughneck
October 22 2009, 11:51AM
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shawnj wrote:

All of those ice girls look underage which makes your obsession with the idea of them rather creepy.

underage to run a shovel?

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#35 Victoria
October 22 2009, 12:14PM
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@Jason Gregor

You lack a sense of humour too, apparently.

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#36 Lofty
October 22 2009, 12:15PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Prude.

The Mitchell hit was clean but I think it's ingrained in hockey players to stand up for team mates and I don't have a problem with someone going after Mitchell. Toews is the Hawks captain and one of their best players, I think it's fine to send the message that it's NOT OK to mess with our top guys and that we WILL stick up for one another.

Now with that being said, will it discourage Mitchell from doing it again if he has the opportunity?

Absolutely not

If Mitchell does that to Hemsky on Sunday I think every Oiler fan would expect the closest Oiler to grab Mitchell and start feeding him

There was no problem with the hit and nothing wrong with the the Hawks going after Mitchell. The problem is that the refs have to allow a player to defend themselves when they get mobbed after a clean hit like that.

There should have been no penalty for Mitchell and a double minor for Versteeg. If Chicago is willing to be shorthanded for 4 minutes late in the third (and then proceed to loose the game) to protect they're player then all is fine on both ends. Mitchell helped his team and Chicago has a huge hole dig out of. I hate seeing a guy play clean and then get 2 minutes for recieving a few punches to the head when he gets jumped!

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#37 Dominoiler
October 22 2009, 12:35PM
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I dont see how 80 points in the regular season, for a d-man, isnt spectacular... or is that simply 'really f'n good'...

and gregor, take no disrespect.. those ice girls are hot... and not 16...

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#38 freeze
October 22 2009, 12:45PM
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Victoria wrote:

You lack a sense of humour too, apparently.

It is really hard to interpret sarcasm and jibes on the internet. Try the ;) next time you are trying to convey humor.

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#39 Victoria
October 22 2009, 01:03PM
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@freeze

Aw, really? I can see if it was something else, but 'old perv' isn't something that is generally interpreted as a scathing indictment.

But if clarity is necessary, maybe Gregor should add a blib to his posts about how he's not actually sexist when he constantly posts pictures of scantily clad women. Might save him from having to get defencive when people poke fun at him about it.

Just sayin'...

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#40 Boris
October 22 2009, 01:40PM
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@Lofty

I agree, if the check is clean then he should not have to sit for 2 minutes for defending himself. As far as the ice girls go, I'm No Prude...bring them on. Goggles is OK but I would rather watch the brunette fly around the ice. Also I was at a game in Phoenix last year and I don't recall if they have ice girls but the girls that dance in the stands are worth the price of admission.

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#41 Boris
October 22 2009, 01:47PM
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Victoria wrote:

Aw, really? I can see if it was something else, but 'old perv' isn't something that is generally interpreted as a scathing indictment.

But if clarity is necessary, maybe Gregor should add a blib to his posts about how he's not actually sexist when he constantly posts pictures of scantily clad women. Might save him from having to get defencive when people poke fun at him about it.

Just sayin'...

I didn't think it was a bash on Gregor but maybe if you write a post here, you can put up the 18/44/13 photo and then we can call you sexist..."imagine a smiley face here"

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#42 Boris
October 22 2009, 01:47PM
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Victoria wrote:

Aw, really? I can see if it was something else, but 'old perv' isn't something that is generally interpreted as a scathing indictment.

But if clarity is necessary, maybe Gregor should add a blib to his posts about how he's not actually sexist when he constantly posts pictures of scantily clad women. Might save him from having to get defencive when people poke fun at him about it.

Just sayin'...

I didn't think it was a bash on Gregor but maybe if you write a post here, you can put up the 18/44/13 photo and then we can call you sexist..."imagine a smiley face here"

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#43 Boris
October 22 2009, 01:49PM
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Victoria wrote:

Aw, really? I can see if it was something else, but 'old perv' isn't something that is generally interpreted as a scathing indictment.

But if clarity is necessary, maybe Gregor should add a blib to his posts about how he's not actually sexist when he constantly posts pictures of scantily clad women. Might save him from having to get defencive when people poke fun at him about it.

Just sayin'...

I didn't think it was a bash on Gregor but maybe if you write a post here, you can put up the 18/44/13 photo and then we can call you sexist..."imagine a smiley face here"

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#44 Boris
October 22 2009, 01:51PM
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Oops - double dipped

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#45 Greg MC
October 22 2009, 01:59PM
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Love the ice girls, especially with fur!

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#47 Victoria
October 22 2009, 02:35PM
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@Boris

It's interesting you mention that picture because look at how many guys here got offended at having to look at that.

Hmmm, dudes don't want to look at pictures of naked dudes, I wonder how that works for women...

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#48 Victoria
October 22 2009, 02:46PM
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@Jason Gregor

Say what? I didn't even read your response to the other guy.

The lack of humour thing was referring to you taking the jab I took at you about being an old perv seriously. I didn't literally mean that you're some sort of 60 year old man who sits in his car staring at highschool girls or something.

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