Post Game - Oilers vs. Avs

Jonathan Willis
October 27 2009 11:16PM

Colorado Avalanche: 3

Edmonton Oilers: 0

Not much to say about this one. It was a lousy hockey game, and the score is a fair indication of both who carried the play and exactly how boring it was.  There wasn't a player on the team who had a good game, save perhaps Khabibulin.  We can chalk it up to the flu (everybody's sick, and Ladislav Smid has swine flu) or we can chalk it up to percentages normalizing (since I said the Oilers were bound to drop from their 15.2% rate they've fallen down to 12.3%) or we can chalk it up to outshooting the opposition a grand total of one time on the season, but this team doesn't look good right now.

The same things apply now that applied prior to this streak of three losses to division opponents: it's early, it's only a few games, and it isn't worth panicking about. 

Also possibly of interest - while Dan Tencer suggests the powerplay is the problem, I thought it looked good tonight, even if it didn't score.  But when the Oilers have gone three games without an even-strength goal, and two without a goal period, I think it's a bit much to blame special teams. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 roughneck
October 28 2009, 09:28AM
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It damn well better be the flu... because if this keeps up consideration will have to be given for a MacT exoneration.

thankfully I gave my tickets up for last nights game thus saving myself the long and painful drive home with boos ringing in my ears... it would have been so "last year"

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#52 Dan the Man
October 28 2009, 09:28AM
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I'm beginning to think there is a curse on this team...AND it's almost Halloween. Coincidence?

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#53 Heatly
October 28 2009, 09:29AM
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@Ambassador humantorch

Second that.

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#54 Chris.
October 28 2009, 09:31AM
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Despite all the "precautions" taken and the many rescources at their disposal; the Oilers medical staff has completely failed to stem the spread of illness through the Oilers dressing room... Doesn't give me reason to feel optimistic that public health measures will protect my children at school.

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#55 Dan the Man
October 28 2009, 09:32AM
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If the flu is the excuse then how come Smid has been one of the best players?

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#56 Chris.
October 28 2009, 09:33AM
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roughneck wrote:

It damn well better be the flu... because if this keeps up consideration will have to be given for a MacT exoneration.

thankfully I gave my tickets up for last nights game thus saving myself the long and painful drive home with boos ringing in my ears... it would have been so "last year"

Mact's Oilers had the exact same record at this point last season (according to Nielsen and Chase)

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#57 Heatly
October 28 2009, 09:37AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

I didn't notice Gilbert making any hits, but I did see the missed pass to Gagner. I didn't even notice he was playing to be honest. Then again, I didn't realise Lubo was gone either...too many beers.

Penner had a few moments, but very disapointed he didn't go after that guy after Chorney went down. Gagner came to the defense.

Penner is my star, but he has to fight in these cases. PERIOD.

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#58 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 09:44AM
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Heatly wrote:

I didn't notice Gilbert making any hits, but I did see the missed pass to Gagner. I didn't even notice he was playing to be honest. Then again, I didn't realise Lubo was gone either...too many beers.

Penner had a few moments, but very disapointed he didn't go after that guy after Chorney went down. Gagner came to the defense.

Penner is my star, but he has to fight in these cases. PERIOD.

Not sure what the stats sheet shows but he had a few behind the Oilers net in the first around the 10minute mark. I also liked his slide block he did when there was a half-arse 3 on 1.

As for Penner going after the guy, it wouldn't have been a smart move. Down 2-0 with a few minutes left you don't want any of your first liners going after anyone on the other team.

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#60 Mr. Pink17
October 28 2009, 09:50AM
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Grebeshkov sucks, could he give away the puck anymore, is the coaching staff bind, he needs to sit

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#61 Hemmercules
October 28 2009, 09:50AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It's true. Through 12 games last year the MacTavish Oilers were 6-5-1. They were 8-6-1 through 15 games.

At what point did the wheels totally fall off last year?? Need to prepare myself this time.

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#62 Heatly
October 28 2009, 09:56AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Agreed, he probably made those plays. I was on opposition side behing net and is hard to see on other end.

I maybe didn't want Penner to fight, but Gagner showed more aggression than him when he's twice the size.(and roughing penalty)

I don't think it would of been smart if Stortini went after Koci, but we need some sort of spark.

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#63 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 09:58AM
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Heatly wrote:

Agreed, he probably made those plays. I was on opposition side behing net and is hard to see on other end.

I maybe didn't want Penner to fight, but Gagner showed more aggression than him when he's twice the size.(and roughing penalty)

I don't think it would of been smart if Stortini went after Koci, but we need some sort of spark.

A spark is what we needed, but what the hell happened to the days when a big save by your goalie sparked the team? Are the players just use to it that it doesn't spark them anymore?

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#64 Ogden Brother
October 28 2009, 10:01AM
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Chris. wrote:

Mact's Oilers had the exact same record at this point last season (according to Nielsen and Chase)

They also had a (far) better SF/SA differential.

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#65 Harlie
October 28 2009, 10:04AM
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Horcoff has looked terrible. He was out of position most of the night (too high in the slot) and his timing is off. Fatigue and overplay can't be a factor already for him, can it? And whatever happened to Jaques being our first line winger? Oh ya, he has no hands.

And when will Hemsky break out? It looks to me like he has no friends on the team and he is missing someone who reminds him of home or something cuz he just sits on the bench and doesn't try communicating with his linemates. Heck I didn't see anyone chatting on the bench. Where's the communication? Where's the leadership? Where's the goals? Same place everything is....bent over the toilet.

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#66 Ogden Brother
October 28 2009, 10:11AM
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Scary stat of the day: Even with the recent scoring struggles the teams shooting % is still close to 2% above the highest in the league last year (which translates into roughly .5 a goal a game less) it's roughly 3% higher then the average team, which would translate to close to a full goal/game less then they are currently averaging.

The team needs to either start shooting a tonne more (ie having the puck alot more often) or get the puck to the high % areas on a consistant basis.

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#67 Helmerfied
October 28 2009, 10:17AM
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I find it pretty hilarious that, in the same sentence, someone will claim that Horcoff is so terrible that we should be booing him when he touches the puck, yet his inclusion with another player (who also takes all kinds of heat from fans) warrants enough value to land a superstar. How can one player be so worthless to Edm that we should be booing him yet so valued by other teams that they'll give up a star for him? Think about it.

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#68 Ogden Brother
October 28 2009, 10:22AM
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Helmerfied wrote:

I find it pretty hilarious that, in the same sentence, someone will claim that Horcoff is so terrible that we should be booing him when he touches the puck, yet his inclusion with another player (who also takes all kinds of heat from fans) warrants enough value to land a superstar. How can one player be so worthless to Edm that we should be booing him yet so valued by other teams that they'll give up a star for him? Think about it.

That's the calling card of the Oiler fan. Trade all the "bad players" but make sure we get good players for them.

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#69 BarryS
October 28 2009, 10:23AM
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Hemmercules wrote:

You of all people should know that Oiler fans hang onto excuses like grim death. Wait until March, everyone will be saying "man, if we didn't have that flu back in Oct we would be a lock for the playoffs right now!"

Until you've had one of these flu's, there seem to be at least two evil types this year, not just the H1N1, don't knock it. Spending a couple days puking your guts out while sitting on the can S__ting the resst out takes more than a day or two after stopping to feel better. Seeing as how the Habs disinfected the visitors room in Van before entering means not every team has it yet. Maybe getting it first will turn into an advantage on the spring when other teams get it.

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#70 Garett
October 28 2009, 10:24AM
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Wow, that was really harsh, I could not have wrote it better myself! You are right, yes he makes 7+ Million a year, but Cogs having to slow down and then stop at the blue line waiting for that Moroneau to carry the puck in unsuccessfully time after time is hard to watch, move the budding young star to a line where his mates speak the same hockey language and let Horcoff, Moreau and Pisani work really hard for a minimal outcome. Here is a few words of advice there captain o captain: work smart, not hard! You look like a bloody fool out there playing the way you do!

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#71 toprightcorner
October 28 2009, 10:26AM
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This flu strain is a long one, everyone in my family (except me) and a few friend have had it and the worse is the 4-5 days after the fever breaks. Absolutly no energy whatsoever.

Not an excuse but it is the energy we see lacking. In todays NHL, if you are half a step behind you got no chance. You can thell they are gassed by the end of the second period the last 3 games.

I will not place judgement yet, but in the next 2-4 days, most should have their strength back and grinding like early in the year.

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#72 BarryS
October 28 2009, 10:30AM
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Did anyone else notice how often Gogs would get the puck skate a few steps and then stop and try to make a pass? Did anyone else notice how often our so called speedster has been caught from behind lately when he has the puck? Gags got demoted and in a couple games was promoted again due to hard work. Either Cogs is sick or sulking because he sure isn't working hard to get off the 4th line.

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#73 toprightcorner
October 28 2009, 10:31AM
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Harlie wrote:

Horcoff has looked terrible. He was out of position most of the night (too high in the slot) and his timing is off. Fatigue and overplay can't be a factor already for him, can it? And whatever happened to Jaques being our first line winger? Oh ya, he has no hands.

And when will Hemsky break out? It looks to me like he has no friends on the team and he is missing someone who reminds him of home or something cuz he just sits on the bench and doesn't try communicating with his linemates. Heck I didn't see anyone chatting on the bench. Where's the communication? Where's the leadership? Where's the goals? Same place everything is....bent over the toilet.

Hemmer is over a point a game, considering he was futile with Horc and JFJ, thats pretty good. Are you expecting a Kopitar breakout?? Have another koolaid.

(sorry guys, how do you only post half of someones quote in a reply?)

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#74 toprightcorner
October 28 2009, 10:37AM
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Hatecoff wrote:

oh and one more thing about horcoff

all the fans in rexall have the nerve to startyelling "shoot" when oilers string more then 5 passes on the powerplay

yet they cant tell horcoff how he licks dry testicles shift in shift out

its time we start booing him everytime he touches the puck

let him know we know and call his sorry ass out

Good Night

I bet when your at work having a tough day and everything you do goes wrong and your boss and coworkers start booing at you everytime you do something, that makes you feel guilty, work harder and start producing.

Boo the team, fine...........boo individuals on other teams, questionable.........boo individuals on your own team, inexusable that doesn't deserve to be called a fan.

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#75 Jason Gregor
October 28 2009, 10:41AM
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BarryS wrote:

Did anyone else notice how often Gogs would get the puck skate a few steps and then stop and try to make a pass? Did anyone else notice how often our so called speedster has been caught from behind lately when he has the puck? Gags got demoted and in a couple games was promoted again due to hard work. Either Cogs is sick or sulking because he sure isn't working hard to get off the 4th line.

It is Cogs, not Gogs...If you use nicknames get them straight...

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#76 toprightcorner
October 28 2009, 10:45AM
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Oil Kings wrote:

I think it is time for Moreau to realize he does not have the skill set of P. Kane. All too often I see hit pathetic attempt of the "driving around the net, spinning and shooting" move. You do not have the ability to do that.

He starting to look just as out of place as D. Hatcher did in the beginning of "new NHL". I just don't think he has what it takes anymore.

Totally agree about Moreau.

It makes me look at a hockey Genius phychic with my wife. When Moreau gets the puck I say :watch this honey, he will drive hard down the boards, circle the net and thry to do a quick spin shot from a terible angle and miss the net and the buck will rebound out of the corner and the other team will take it out".

After 3 or 4 times of this she asks me "doesn't that number 18 know that what he is doing is useless, doesn't he know how to make a play and pass?".

She doesn't even know his name or much about hockey, but in 2 periods SHE knows Moreau is useless, predictable and creates nothing positive.

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#77 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 10:59AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I bet when your at work having a tough day and everything you do goes wrong and your boss and coworkers start booing at you everytime you do something, that makes you feel guilty, work harder and start producing.

Boo the team, fine...........boo individuals on other teams, questionable.........boo individuals on your own team, inexusable that doesn't deserve to be called a fan.

if i was doing half assed work at best, that Whiffcoff is doing, id be fired long time ago.

why would i boo the team ? they have to play with him

and since you went there let me tell you something about FAN

im an OIlers fan not a Whiffcoff fan

and who in the hell do the OIlers fans think they are anyway?

the whole bottom bowl at rexall looks like a bunch of larry david clones sitting there with their daughters or co-workers like they are in the theatre

only chants OIlers fans start is a sad Lets Go Oilers with a minute or two left in every period lets go where? to the lockerrroom or the bathroom

give me a break

oh and i already brought up the "shooot" other then that what do the oilers fans do nothing whine and complain like i do and you do and everryone else does

if since 2006 we been rebuilding with Hemsky?

what have we rebuild for him ?

what does he have to be excited about on the bench or inspired ?

like him i been had, this team has done nothing to improve

first step to fixinf a problem is admitting you have one FCUK HORCOFF

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#78 Hemmercules
October 28 2009, 11:00AM
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BarryS wrote:

Until you've had one of these flu's, there seem to be at least two evil types this year, not just the H1N1, don't knock it. Spending a couple days puking your guts out while sitting on the can S__ting the resst out takes more than a day or two after stopping to feel better. Seeing as how the Habs disinfected the visitors room in Van before entering means not every team has it yet. Maybe getting it first will turn into an advantage on the spring when other teams get it.

I've had the flu before just like everyone else, I know how it feels. I'm just stating the fact that we always have an excuse for playing horrible hockey. The fact that we have a couple guys out sick doesn't mean the rest of the team gets the week off. Colorado has a weaker team on paper than we do IMO, no reason the guys we have shouldn't able to compete. No goals in 7 periods is pretty ugly.

No panic yet but two more loses here in a row will hurt. One win and were tied for 3rd in the conference.

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#79 toprightcorner
October 28 2009, 11:02AM
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I know Quinn wants to get guys in front of the net on the PP for tips, which is a good thing but I don't think they are going about it right. Most of the goals we give up on tips are usually from 5 - 10 feet out and many of them wrist shots or slap passes.

I think we are getting in to close, the tips do not get to deflect very much and with the bigger goalies, they still get a piece of it. If we move out 8 feet infront of the goalie (still capable of making a screen), the deflections could move more and find the corners. Since we would be infront of the d-men, less chance of being blocked. and possibility for a bigger rebound where a guy could come in and get it from the corner. We can then concentrate on getting shots through the lanes. Wrist shots are easier to deflect, but just as hard to save when redirected.

Todays close in tips are tougher cause the goalies are bigger, the forwards at the point block way more shots and they don't get through. Even Smyth and Holstrom are not getting the same in tight deflection goals they used to, they are either at the side or pulling up higher in the slot and getting the rebounds.

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#80 Chris.
October 28 2009, 11:05AM
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@Hatecoff

Maybe you should spread your bile elsewhere... Your comments are neither insightful, or constructive. You hate Horcoff. We get it.

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#81 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 11:07AM
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Hatecoff

You are way off the biggest cheers are when they give old dutch chips away and the race cars are racing.

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#82 Hemmercules
October 28 2009, 11:07AM
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Were better off puting a guy 4 feet wide of the net, that seems to be where most of the point shots are ending up. Or just shooting in general and battling for garbage rebound goals, too many pass first guys on our pp right now.

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#83 Hemmercules
October 28 2009, 11:09AM
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#82 was a reply to toprightcorner.

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#84 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 11:10AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

sorry i forgot about that one

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#85 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 11:10AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

sorry i forgot about that one

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#86 Chris.
October 28 2009, 11:12AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Hatecoff

You are way off the biggest cheers are when they give old dutch chips away and the race cars are racing.

There was a pretty big cheer last preseason when a saucy you lady flashed the jumbotron.

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#87 Oil Kings
October 28 2009, 11:12AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Moreau may not have the ability to do that, but he was one of a few that were getting close to the net yesterday when he had the puck.

I believe these efforts by Moreau are some of those "individual efforts" that Quinn was speaking of. When Moreau has the puck his linemates may as well take a seat on the bench. They won't be touching the puck anyways.

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#88 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 11:13AM
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Chris. wrote:

Maybe you should spread your bile elsewhere... Your comments are neither insightful, or constructive. You hate Horcoff. We get it.

no thanks, i am a citizen of the nation and it is my democratic right.

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#89 Chris.
October 28 2009, 11:13AM
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saucy young lady.

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#90 common sense
October 28 2009, 11:15AM
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The powerplay looks dismal. O'Sullivan doesn't belong on the point. Quinn is right. This team needs to play basic hockey instead of trying to find the perfect pass. Mr. Bloggin, puck giveaway, guitar hero king making 4+mill a year Gilbert needs to play better.

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#91 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
October 28 2009, 11:18AM
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@common sense

We don't take kindly to common sense on these parts of the interwebs.

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#92 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 11:18AM
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Oil Kings wrote:

I believe these efforts by Moreau are some of those "individual efforts" that Quinn was speaking of. When Moreau has the puck his linemates may as well take a seat on the bench. They won't be touching the puck anyways.

I thought he was talking about Hemsky, he was kinda talking about the PP right before and then he went into talking about the trap, so who knows.

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#93 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 11:22AM
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Just to get Brownlee going.

Randy Jones on re-entry at 1.3ish.

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#94 Chris.
October 28 2009, 11:25AM
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Hatecoff wrote:

no thanks, i am a citizen of the nation and it is my democratic right.

Citizen or troll? Site administrators have edited/removed comments in the past: there is nothing democratic about it. You are not the only person who has Horcoff as his goat. Most people who post here recognize that Horcoff is struggling and will not likely outperform his massive contract... That said, this forum is supposed to be a place for Oiler fans to interact with both each other and the local media. This is not a forum to spread Hate. Fans like you are part of the reason why Oilers management has to overpay UFA eligible players.

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#95 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 28 2009, 11:30AM
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Chris. wrote:

Citizen or troll? Site administrators have edited/removed comments in the past: there is nothing democratic about it. You are not the only person who has Horcoff as his goat. Most people who post here recognize that Horcoff is struggling and will not likely outperform his massive contract... That said, this forum is supposed to be a place for Oiler fans to interact with both each other and the local media. This is not a forum to spread Hate. Fans like you are part of the reason why Oilers management has to overpay UFA eligible players.

You know if I was a season ticket holder I would boo whoever I want already. Thes so-called vets of the team are playing the same type of hockey for years already and aren't listening to their coaches. Now I'm not picking on Horcoff in particular, but some guys just seem to think what they have been doing for the past 3-4 years is okay, but it isn't.

I really think that if Quinn can't get these guys out of their rut that we have no choice to make an example of one of the vets and trade one. Seems to be too many guys playing like they know they won't lose their job.

With all that said, I still think the Flu and injuries is a big reason for some of the lackluster play.

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#97 bingofuel
October 28 2009, 11:33AM
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@Chris.

I've always thought of the Nation as more of a constitutional monarchy. Wanye refers to it as his "Cannabisocracy" sometimes.

Regardless, "citizen" doesn't imply democracy per se, so govern yourselves accordingly and try and keep the discourse polite... Even though right now there are several Oilers I'm sure we'd all like to have horsewhipped.

Love, bingofuel, caretaker of this digital fiefdom

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#98 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 11:34AM
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Chris. wrote:

Citizen or troll? Site administrators have edited/removed comments in the past: there is nothing democratic about it. You are not the only person who has Horcoff as his goat. Most people who post here recognize that Horcoff is struggling and will not likely outperform his massive contract... That said, this forum is supposed to be a place for Oiler fans to interact with both each other and the local media. This is not a forum to spread Hate. Fans like you are part of the reason why Oilers management has to overpay UFA eligible players.

citizen

he is -7 with 2 points in 12 games................on pace for almost 15 points this year.....................

im a interacting....................im seeking answers from fellow citizens on whats wrong? why? for how long do we put up with this horseshiet of a hockey player ?

i wouldnt call it Hate, all my comments are based on fact that Horcoff cant outperform Stone. Nillson was sat, played 7 games with less minutes and has 3 points.

i didnt know i had something to do with Comrie getting over payed for his contract this year.

fans like me eh ?

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#100 Hatecoff
October 28 2009, 11:43AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

You have no democratic rights here. I want that clear to everyone.

The preference of everyone at this site is to let everyone talk and comment freely. We think that's the best course of action and we want open and honest expression.

Stupid and repetitive vitriol will be removed, as will other commentary deemed inappropriate. Commenters who have no filter between their brains and the keyboard will be filtered by administrators here.

Clear?

understood

one thing thou

if horcoff keeps sucking game in game out like he is

would me posting days apart on his lack of skill and ability be considered repetitive?

or are my actions ok as long as his are?

i can see how me hating on him would get tiring and become a piss-off

but please do understand that is so painfull to see him do nothing for so long when all we want is some results

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