EDIT: Oilers down a captain, Horcoff will play

Jason Gregor
October 06 2009 10:54AM

 

The Oilers will be without their captain and possibly one of their assistants as they look for their first win of the season, against the 0-0-1 Dallas Stars.

The Stars dominated the Predators on Saturday, but couldn’t beat Dan Ellis, so it could be a good test for Nikolai Khabibulin to see if he can rebound.

Ethan Moreau wasn’t on the ice at the morning skate this morning and neither was Shawn Horcoff. Andrew Cogliano took his spot alongside Sam Gagner and Zack Stortini. Robert Nilsson skated with Gilbert Brule and Dustin Penner. Horcoff skated yesterday, so it is strange not to see him on the ice.

Marc Pouliot skated with J.F Jacques and Ales Hemsky, and if he plays there tonight then this coaching staff really wants to give every guy a clean slate. If Pouliot, after sitting out for two weeks, actually plays all game with Hemsky, then Hemsky either needs to carry the line or he we shouldn’t expect much from him offensively.

The Oilers swept the Stars at home last year winning 5-2 and 4-1. The Stars won both games in Dallas by scores of 4-3 and 4-2.

The Oilers PK was actually good against Dallas allowing only three goals on 20 chances for 85%, while the Oilers scored three PP goals on 16 chances for 18.8 %.

Last year was the first time since 1992/1993 that the Oilers swept the Stars in Edmonton.

Both the Oilers and Stars lost their first game even though they out shot the opposition. The Stars outshot the Predators 40-26, with James Neal potting both goals for the Stars.

***Update***

Just spoke with Horcoff, and he will play. He says it isn’t a big deal, and that he has a small tweak but he is just resting it.

Robert Nilsson admitted that he has to cut down on his risky plays in the defensive and neutral zones if he wants to stay in the lineup. Look for Nilsson to simplify his game in those zones, but he feels that he should generate more offence by not giving the puck away as often as he has.

Quinn explained the reason why he inserted Nilsson on the RW, and moved Cogliano on the left side with Gagner.

“I like Nilsson’s game on the right side, he generates more from that wing, and I know that Cogliano and Gagner have played together before, and played well, so this should give them both a better chance to produce.”

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#1 blu
October 06 2009, 11:00AM
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I'm really curious to see how the team preforms without chopper on the ice.

I'll miss Horc in the dot though. Hopefully this isn't too painful a faceoff schooling for us.

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#2 Rick
October 06 2009, 11:00AM
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If they planned to activate Pouliot, won't they have to send a guy down?

Surely they would have done that already.

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#3 Charlie N64
October 06 2009, 11:00AM
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Go OIlers!!!

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#4 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 11:01AM
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@Rick

Per Gregor's Twitter this morning:

"Horcoff and Moreau not on ice for morning skate. Pouliot took 10s spot while Nilsson replaced 18! If 78 plays the oil have to put guy on IR"

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#5 JORD10
October 06 2009, 11:04AM
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Poor, Poor Ales. How's he supposed to get his game going with these linemates. Couldn't they shake things up even more and put someone other than Pouliot at 1C.

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#6 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:12AM
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My Inner Eklund says: The Oilers are sitting Horc and placing Moreau on the IR to activate Poo and play him and Nilsson in order to showcase them as pending trade toss-ins with a puck moving D-man. The trade is with an unnamed team from the East. Big dominoes. Huge. (E3.14)

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#7 blu
October 06 2009, 11:15AM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

My Inner Eklund says: The Oilers are sitting Horc and placing Moreau on the IR to activate Poo and play him and Nilsson in order to showcase them as pending trade toss-ins with a puck moving D-man. The trade is with an unnamed team from the East. Big dominoes. Huge. (E3.14)

Like, we're also moving a puck-moving D man? Or we're looking for one, because we want to collect those now that we've locked down small forwards ...

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#8 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:16AM
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...damn...Tencer just tweeted that Horcoff is in. I guess I can turn off my Inner Eklund and move on with life.

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#9 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:18AM
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@blu

No no no...the deal in my head was...toss in a poo/nilsson WITH a puck moving D-man...but as I type it I can't even believe it myself. Besides...Poo is sitting still, apparently.

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#10 blu
October 06 2009, 11:20AM
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@The Towel Boy

You have deals in your head, and I have trouble understanding written english. It's all good.

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#11 Eskimo44
October 06 2009, 11:20AM
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He expects Horcoff to play i would assume. He isnt going to mess up a couple line combinations in practice instead of just one. Besides, he can get a good look at how Pouliot is playing after his injury and if he belongs. I doubt they send him away but he is still on the bubble.

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#12 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 11:22AM
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Yeah, update from Gregor:

"Just spoke with Horcoff he will play. He just rested a small tweak. Said it isn't an issue!"

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#13 RyanB
October 06 2009, 11:23AM
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@The Towel Boy

I can't see how anyone will ever trade for Pouliot no matter how far up the lineup we were to play him in an effort to showcase his talent because he's got no talent to showcase. Every team in the league has a player like him that has just never turned out to be worth a dime. Send him the AHL as soon as he's healthy and forget about him.

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#14 David S
October 06 2009, 11:29AM
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Conversations about Pouliot with Nilsson sitting in the PB are making me insane. For crap sake, lets ice the best team possible and see what happens. Wins this time of year might be a bit easier because lots of teams are still not 100%. BTW - those lineups Jason mentioned above looked pretty sweet.

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#15 Hemmercules
October 06 2009, 11:30AM
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blu wrote:

I'm really curious to see how the team preforms without chopper on the ice.

I'll miss Horc in the dot though. Hopefully this isn't too painful a faceoff schooling for us.

My guess is that no one will even notice Moreau isn't playing, aside from the fact that we will have less PK's to deal with. From what I saw last game he probably shouldn't have been in that game either. I wonder if Lowe will ever asked Moreau and Pisani for some money back since they never play.

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#16 jayoilfan
October 06 2009, 11:30AM
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Good Horcoff playing is good! Also on SNW it says Modano is probably out as is Lehtinen. I think they will not miss Moreau. Maybe Nilsson pots one tonight? One can opnly hope!

Go Oilers GO.

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#17 Costanza
October 06 2009, 11:34AM
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Who can we get to take bad penalties now?

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#18 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:38AM
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But if my Goat (Moreau) is sitting...who will I rag on? Looks like Staios will draw my ire for this evening.

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#19 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:42AM
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RyanB wrote:

I can't see how anyone will ever trade for Pouliot no matter how far up the lineup we were to play him in an effort to showcase his talent because he's got no talent to showcase. Every team in the league has a player like him that has just never turned out to be worth a dime. Send him the AHL as soon as he's healthy and forget about him.

The way I envision Poo getting moved is like how I proposed...a toss-in...kinda like when you have a garage sale and you don't wan't to haul your crap back inside...you start giving it away. "Oh, you want to give me 7 dollars for my Rick Astley box set? Sure...I'll even toss in Pouliot for free."

That kinda deal.

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#20 Senator Theo
October 06 2009, 11:42AM
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I think my optimism about the team would have gone down significantly if Horc was out tonight. But he's in - hooray minor tweak!

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#21 Ogden Brother
October 06 2009, 11:45AM
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That "1st line" is weak enough with Horcoff on it, swapping him out for MAP would go head to head with the NYI for worst 1st line in the league.

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#22 blu
October 06 2009, 11:45AM
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So Horc is in, and all our previous comments are out?

#confused

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#23 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 11:48AM
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blu wrote:

So Horc is in, and all our previous comments are out?

#confused

It's a known issue: when comments reach 20 (or 40 or 60, etc) then vanish briefly until a new comment is posted.

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#24 Rusty Duggan
October 06 2009, 11:48AM
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Welcome to the Nations, Citizen!

Your account has been created and a confirmation link has been emailed to you. Please check your email for further instructions. Remember to check your spam folder just in case!

I then go to sign in and the password is wrong..WTF?

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#25 The Towel Boy
October 06 2009, 11:49AM
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blu wrote:

So Horc is in, and all our previous comments are out?

#confused

Yeah, basically I want my last hour back.

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#26 blu
October 06 2009, 11:49AM
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Hemmercules wrote:

My guess is that no one will even notice Moreau isn't playing, aside from the fact that we will have less PK's to deal with. From what I saw last game he probably shouldn't have been in that game either. I wonder if Lowe will ever asked Moreau and Pisani for some money back since they never play.

Yeah, less terrible penalties and less wasted offensive chances.

He is usually good for one emotionally and physically crushing hit per game though. JFJ or even Brule can supply that, the way they're playing.

Stort, who should supply it, seems as fuzzy and inconsistent as his own personal grooming. Still on the fence about that guy.

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#27 blu
October 06 2009, 11:50AM
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bingofuel wrote:

It's a known issue: when comments reach 20 (or 40 or 60, etc) then vanish briefly until a new comment is posted.

Yeah, I see them now. Thanks for the heads up.

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#28 AlbertaRanger
October 06 2009, 11:50AM
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I should have changed my GOAT player to Horcoff. He centres the top line and makes $7 million. He had better score 70 points this season!

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#29 Ogden Brother
October 06 2009, 11:52AM
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Rusty Duggan wrote:

Welcome to the Nations, Citizen!

Your account has been created and a confirmation link has been emailed to you. Please check your email for further instructions. Remember to check your spam folder just in case!

I then go to sign in and the password is wrong..WTF?

Same thing happend to me.

Bingo/Admin... please (if you can) reset my account so I can maintain my original handle.

Thanks Brothers of Ogden

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#30 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 12:00PM
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Rusty Duggan wrote:

Welcome to the Nations, Citizen!

Your account has been created and a confirmation link has been emailed to you. Please check your email for further instructions. Remember to check your spam folder just in case!

I then go to sign in and the password is wrong..WTF?

email me with screen shots and details, please: bingofuel [at] oilersnation [dot] com

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#31 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 06 2009, 12:01PM
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Wow. We had potential to have the worse 1st line in NHL history. Poor Hemmer.

So any word what we are saving Macintyre for? I only see two games this month where he will be needed and in the one (nashville) It would be to smack Tootoo.

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#32 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 06 2009, 12:10PM
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What is this small tweak with horcoff? Back, knee, shoulder dare I say another pubitis injury?

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#33 rubbertrout
October 06 2009, 12:11PM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

I should have changed my GOAT player to Horcoff. He centres the top line and makes $7 million. He had better score 70 points this season!

When are people going to let this go? He makes 5.5 M on the cap hit. Are you guys not able to see that Horc brings stuff to the table that isn't outlined in conventional stats (see JW, Lowetide et al)? As well, if our maelevolent overlords Lowe and Tambo actually addressed some needs like getting another guy who could win a draw Horc could have a little gas left in the tank on offence.

I have no issues with this contract at all. I hope he gets more traditional points and stats this year so everyone who wrote him off can jump back on the bandwagon.

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#34 TonyT
October 06 2009, 12:11PM
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Why is it that Hemsky has make others better? Why can't others (Horcoff) not drag him down?

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#35 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 06 2009, 12:12PM
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So bingo. From what I can gather the Avatar is what is covering up my name. The avatar is X out and then there is about 30 numbers and letters.

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#36 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 12:14PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

So bingo. From what I can gather the Avatar is what is covering up my name. The avatar is X out and then there is about 30 numbers and letters.

The text string you're seeing is the alt text because your avatar isn't displaying. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I've emailed Citizen Alpha to see if he has a solution.

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#37 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 06 2009, 12:15PM
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TonyT wrote:

Why is it that Hemsky has make others better? Why can't others (Horcoff) not drag him down?

Because if Hemmer is to make the next step he needs to make others around him better.

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#38 AlbertaRanger
October 06 2009, 12:19PM
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@rubbertrout Can you, or anyone else, explain to me how his $7 million this season translates to a $5.5 million cap hit? That doesn't make sense to me and please tell how it does? Educate me. The sites I've looked at, like the NHLPA's, show me he comes at a $7 million cap hit.

Yes, Horcoff can win faceoffs, kill penalties, etc. But, do you know who else makes $7 million this year? Try Jarome Iginla.

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#39 AlbertaRanger
October 06 2009, 12:26PM
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I am confused with this Horcoff contact! Is it $7 million or $5.5 million?

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#40 Librarian Mike
October 06 2009, 12:27PM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

I should have changed my GOAT player to Horcoff. He centres the top line and makes $7 million. He had better score 70 points this season!

Sure, Horcoff is overpaid for what he brings. Then again, there's a guy like that on every team in the league....except for the Rangers, who have 14.

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#41 Gregors dirty 'stash
October 06 2009, 12:30PM
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Gregor do you honestly, think that MAP or Nilsspn will last til' Santa comes...?

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#42 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
October 06 2009, 12:31PM
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@AlbertaRanger

It's a front loaded contract. Average payout per season is 5.5M and that is where the cap hit comes from.

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#43 THREE 1ST NAMES
October 06 2009, 12:34PM
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bingofuel wrote:

The text string you're seeing is the alt text because your avatar isn't displaying. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I've emailed Citizen Alpha to see if he has a solution.

i see the same thing

if you are @ work good that part be blocked by the companies filter?

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#44 Jon
October 06 2009, 12:40PM
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@AlbertaRanger

Cap hits are based on the average amount of money a player makes per year. Meaning if someone signs a 2 year contract...where in the first year he makes 4 million, and the second year he makes 2 million. Then his cap hit will be 3 million, because that is the average he makes over the two years.

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#45 AlbertaRanger
October 06 2009, 12:41PM
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OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM wrote:

It's a front loaded contract. Average payout per season is 5.5M and that is where the cap hit comes from.

What do you mean by front loaded contract? Obviously I need to take NHL Salaries 101.

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#46 AlbertaRanger
October 06 2009, 12:46PM
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I get it now. The light bulb just turned on. Thanks peeps.

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#47 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 06 2009, 12:48PM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

I get it now. The light bulb just turned on. Thanks peeps.

check out nhlscap.com for various FAQ's. Very informative.

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#48 bingofuel
October 06 2009, 12:59PM
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THREE 1ST NAMES wrote:

i see the same thing

if you are @ work good that part be blocked by the companies filter?

That could very well be the case. We're working on a fix that makes the alt text much shorter so it doesn't cover anything up.

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#49 Ogden Brother
October 06 2009, 01:07PM
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@TonyT

You should see the teams production when they play seperatly ;)

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#50 rubbertrout
October 06 2009, 01:17PM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

I get it now. The light bulb just turned on. Thanks peeps.

For example Marleau is signed to 2009-2010 at 6.3 M Sedins are signed to 2013-14 for 6.1 M Chris Drury is paid 7 M until 2011-2012 Scott Gomez is signed at 7.4 M to 2013-14 (that one stinks) Daniel Briere is signed at 6.5 M to 2014-15

Horc at 5.5 to 2014-15 is not too bad.

Sure he's not a conventional #1 centre but show me someone who was available at the time that brings that value for comparable money. There are always deals out there especially with one year contracts but locking up one of the most valuable players on the team is worth it.

Zetterberg is obviously a better player but the average cap hit is 6M per year until 2021.

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