Down to the final seconds. Again

Jason Gregor
October 09 2009 01:00AM

For the second straight game v. the Flames the Oilers gave up a goal in the final minute, and this morning they find themselves already five points behind the Flames.

The Oilers played well enough in both games against Calgary to earn a win, but they didn’t. Pat Quinn didn’t critique the effort, but was annoyed about small plays, but the Jarome Iginla hit on Sheldon Souray really got his Irish blood boiling.

“I don’t understand the players of today. If that happened in the old days, he would have got hit over the head with a stick right after. That’s the way you used to deal with, but now you can’t touch him.

“It was a pretty dirty play in my opinion. You poke his feet out and then pile on him on top of that. Somehow they never deal with that crap, and they (the league) won’t let the vigilante stuff deal with it.”

When asked if Ethan Moreau going after Iginla was the right decision, Quinn said what many hard core hockey fans feel at times.

“In the area that I come from you do dirt with dirt. You don’t give him honour. Why would you give a man honour for that kind of a play and he honoured him with a fist fight.”

Quinn was understandably irate with the play, and I can understand why. Iginla is a hard nosed player, and an honourable one. I doubt he meant to hurt Souray, but it was still a dangerous play. When a D-man has to go back for a puck straight on, rather than from an angle, it is much more dangerous and forwards have to be aware of where their stick goes. Because it was accidental doesn’t give Iginla a free pass. It was a dangerous, not cheap, play.

Quinn was also irritated with Hemsky’s effort with the Flames goal empty.

“We had a chance to make a play to put it in the open net and we dicked around with the thing. We found a way to give them an opportunity to get in it. Was it lucky, yeah I guess it was?”

He also talked about making the right decision in the final moments in the offensive zone.

“In tight games you play percentages all the time. You don’t try to score another goal when it’s so high percentage to trap yourself. The guy who put the puck there trapped himself. Sure he got back and got organized, but then it went in from a bad angle. We can’t battle like we did all night long and lose.”

Rather than be satisfied with a good effort, Quinn is demanding more from his players, and until they start winning I don’t see that changing. This team needs to understand how to make the smart plays at the key times in games. Making the correct play at these important times is the difference between winning and losing. The Oilers have to learn how to win, and Quinn seems hell bent on ensuring that his players understand it.

Quinn wasn’t just grumpy though. He had this to say when asked about the Souray, Moreau and Andrew Cogliano photo shoot that had them posing naked for ESPN.

“It’s a new life I guess. They didn’t ask me. I don’t understand that,” he laughed. “I haven’t seen it yet, but Beefcake has always been Beefcake as far as I know.”

That picture will generate lots of reaction. I’m guessing some homophobes will cringe, while most of the women’s panty sprinklers will be on high.

Quinn’s post game comments have been incredibly entertaining. It is refreshing to hear someone speak from the heart, and you have to think that if he keeps challenging his players to be better, that eventually the wins will follow.

Wake up, people

I love that the web, and specifically that the Nation allows everyone to vent, but sometimes I wonder if some of you can only whine and complain.

Do you actually think Khabibulin was bad last night? If so, you should get some glasses. Khabibulin played fine. The save he made on the 5 on 3 was great. Sure, he looked shaky in the first two games, but if you want to be a sofa scout; understand that you evaluate a player on the current game, not the previous ones. Khabibulin has progressively gotten better, and last night he was solid.

 

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#101 kingsblade
October 09 2009, 12:56PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Note: OB and OB Jr are different people

If you say so.

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#102 The Fish
October 09 2009, 12:57PM
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Is this Ogden Brother Jr. Mother Theresa or something? Tone down the hitting? You cannot be serious. You're watching the wrong game. Go watch bowling or darts or maybe go knit a sweater.

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#103 kingsblade
October 09 2009, 12:59PM
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I don't get you guys talking about Moreau fighting him being the "right way."

Please explain how that even remotely discourages him from doing the same thing again.

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#104 greenlightning86
October 09 2009, 01:02PM
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This thread is like Hf boards where a couple people go back and forth so they can run up there post count. *please do not have a post count on this webpage*.

Anyways why don't we talk about something other than Iginla tripping Souray. Like how great Khabibulin was. You can't blame him for Calgary being really good at deflections.

But that's just what I think. Also panty sprinklers is classic.

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#105 The Fish
October 09 2009, 01:05PM
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@greenlightning86

Or Smid or Strudwick for being really good at deflections.

Why would someone want to "run up their post count". Does it make you king of the dorks if you reach 200 or something?

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#106 greenlightning86
October 09 2009, 01:10PM
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@The Fish

Oh ya if you've been to hf boards you'd see your opinion is nothing unless you have 2,000 posts. Sh*t some guys have over 20,000.

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#107 Hayley Joel Osmond
October 09 2009, 01:12PM
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*tap tap tap* Is this thing on?

I just want to say that under no circumstances should a hockey fan have to change her undies after reading ESPN. Why do I feel this way?

I have to go....

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#108 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 09 2009, 01:19PM
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The Fish wrote:

Is this Ogden Brother Jr. Mother Theresa or something? Tone down the hitting? You cannot be serious. You're watching the wrong game. Go watch bowling or darts or maybe go knit a sweater.

I don't mind the hitting, but he is getting close to Moreau like penalties. I will with hold anymore comments on Stone till I see more.

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#109 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 09 2009, 01:21PM
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So is there any word on Souray? Short term or long term injury? Staios good for tomorrow if not he is going to play on the back end.

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#110 SweetJimmyK
October 09 2009, 01:29PM
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Just checked SN, and now Quinn is being "investigated" for his post game comments.

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#112 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
October 09 2009, 01:51PM
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Optional skate for the Oilers today, only ten guys showed up. Souray is day-to-day, with mild concussion. No word on Staios, but the Oilers haven't recalled anyone so I'm guessing one will play, unless they shock the world and dress MacIntyre to play defence. That would be interesting.

Montreal may be small but there small guys will do circles around Macintyre all night.

Who is first callup Chorney?

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#113 Travis Dakin
October 09 2009, 01:56PM
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greenlightning86 wrote:

This thread is like Hf boards where a couple people go back and forth so they can run up there post count. *please do not have a post count on this webpage*.

Anyways why don't we talk about something other than Iginla tripping Souray. Like how great Khabibulin was. You can't blame him for Calgary being really good at deflections.

But that's just what I think. Also panty sprinklers is classic.

A+

So true. I hit refresh all day and the counts keep going up but it's just the same 5 people bantering back and forth about crap! haha I get excited about maybe some new info or somethinhg but no.

An Hf Boards is quite embarrassing to read actually. Non stop pissing matches and whine fests. A whole lot of really stupid people there with a few smart ones sprinkled in.

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#114 ChiliChunk
October 09 2009, 02:00PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Montreal may be small but there small guys will do circles around Macintyre all night.

Who is first callup Chorney?

maybe Arsene if Quinn wants to replace Souray's toughness?

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#115 Travis Dakin
October 09 2009, 02:01PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Optional skate for the Oilers today, only ten guys showed up. Souray is day-to-day, with mild concussion. No word on Staios, but the Oilers haven't recalled anyone so I'm guessing one will play, unless they shock the world and dress MacIntyre to play defence. That would be interesting.

What ten guys? Tell me if I'm close....

Nilsson, Stone, JFJ, MacIntyre, Stortini, Strudwick, Smid, Brule, O'Sullivan, and JDD if the Goalies count. If not.... Gagner.

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#116 Chris.
October 09 2009, 02:09PM
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SweetJimmyK wrote:

Just checked SN, and now Quinn is being "investigated" for his post game comments.

As opposed to Iginla being "investigated" for intent to injure. Typical NHL: lets investigate the post game comments but not the play that inspired them.

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#117 The Fish
October 09 2009, 02:28PM
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Quinn fined $10K for his comments. The NHL is a joke.

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#118 freeze
October 09 2009, 02:37PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Montreal may be small but there small guys will do circles around Macintyre all night.

Who is first callup Chorney?

Must be. Is Peckham even playing/skating yet?

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#119 bingofuel
October 09 2009, 02:42PM
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@The Fish

Yeah, pretty ridiculous.

Here's the NHL.com story.

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#120 I'm a Scientist!
October 09 2009, 03:01PM
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@Jason Gregor

Optional skate? the day before a game? When we are sitting at .500? Seems a bit slack...

*wishes his day at The Lab World Headquarters was optional today...*

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#121 Hemmercules
October 09 2009, 03:07PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Optional skate? the day before a game? When we are sitting at .500? Seems a bit slack...

*wishes his day at The Lab World Headquarters was optional today...*

Probably an early pratice tomorrow since its a late game, we seem to have alot of guys banged up already. This new harder style of play may be too hard on us in the long run, hopefully not because its a helluva lot better than the crap they were putting out last year.

I think they only fined Quinn because he was trashing the league a bit, I've heard other coaches call a play dirty and not get fined.

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#122 Mitch
October 09 2009, 03:28PM
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The Play by Moreau at the end of the game was very week to say the least, I don't like Moreau's game never been a fan of his. If I was Tambo for five minutes I would explore every possibility to move Moreau, the oilers are going to have MAJOR cap problems at the end of the season, they have way over paid for marginal experienced pros and face the possibility of losing both Gagner and Cogliano because of this. To look on the positive side Quinn is creating a identity with this team that will make it attractive for any player to want to come to edmonton. Look up in the rafters we have 6 hall of fame players in the rafters, they loved every minute of it, players must remember there here to play hockey, not worrie about how nice the weather is outside or how might see them in public!

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#123 BigE57
October 09 2009, 03:33PM
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I think Quinns comments after the game were justified. Imagine if the roles were reveresed and Penner had done that to Boumeester? Who would be screaming today? Iginla might be an honorable player but that shouldn't give him a free pass.

And.

Hopefully last nights game is an indication that Bulin's game is rounding into form. 3 goals on deflections that he had no chance on is a pretty good nights work.

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#124 Barry's
October 09 2009, 03:46PM
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DavidS's not brother

The reason Iginla gets the benefit of the doubt is he is governed under the NHL Game Rules, Subset Rules for stars. As Ignila did not commit axemurder or pulled a gun and shot him, or thrust his stick fully through Souray's body it is only a two minute penalty if in oponents building otherwise no penalty.

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#125 rubbertrout
October 09 2009, 03:55PM
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I'm reviewing the PVR... Iginla injures Souray in (my opinion) a dirty play during the first shift of the second period. Iginla is a smart player and while the full result was probably not intentional; lets face it, you shouldn't be surprised if you injure someone by tripping them up as they race to the boards... Moreau fights him at 13:50. So Iginla sits for two. Plays over a minute (untouched) fresh out of the box. Takes another shift (untouched) makes some plays and then finally, on his third shift since the incident, Moreau engages him in a clean contest that seems to energize both Iginla and the Flames. Great. Just great.

Like or dislike Quinns comments: its time the Oilers got their hands dirty from time to time.

This also applies to the Fish. Trying to make a play on the puck is dirty? Wow, I can only imagine how you guys play shinny hockey. I guess you guys are the ones that bitch and moan about every bit of incidental contact.

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#126 Kingsblade
October 09 2009, 04:34PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I don't mind the hitting, but he is getting close to Moreau like penalties. I will with hold anymore comments on Stone till I see more.

That is a very interesting comment considering he only has one penalty so far and it was a fighting major.

What penalties are you talking about which are so "Moreau like"?

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#127 Hayley Joel Osmond
October 09 2009, 07:32PM
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i do believe moreau is leading the pack with penalty minutes, and if not, he's a close second. and he did take a penalty last night aside from his fighting major.

....back to that espn "spread" now....

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#128 Kingsblade
October 09 2009, 07:45PM
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Hayley Joel Osmond wrote:

i do believe moreau is leading the pack with penalty minutes, and if not, he's a close second. and he did take a penalty last night aside from his fighting major.

....back to that espn "spread" now....

You are an idiot. We are talking about Stone.

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#129 Hayley Joel Osmond
October 09 2009, 09:26PM
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is my face red*

*not very

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#130 Racki
October 09 2009, 10:06PM
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Thank you, Jason, for waking people up with the last para of your post. Agreed that Khabi has gotten progressively better. I actually thought he played really well last night. All 3 goals were tip-ins. The score easily could have been worse... he made some pretty big saves in key moments.

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#131 Reagan
October 09 2009, 10:48PM
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The Oil are F'd. This is the real test if they are going to show up this season. Really one weak ass fight again Iggy on a semi-dirty play. This team has a lot to prove if they are going to be a player in the west. Khabi has been unfortuante as far as lame scoring techniques is concerned(flames couldn't score real goals this week). Montreal with the back up, should prove to be a real test to inferiority. Go Oiler Go, I guess. Pat's going to pissed after tomorrow loss.

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