Pat Quinn: the bad old days

Robin Brownlee
October 09 2009 03:34PM

It looks like Pat Quinn's trip down memory lane after Thursday's 4-3 shootout loss to the Calgary Flames has cost the Edmonton Oilers coach $10,000 by way of a fine from the NHL. Who says talk is cheap?

In this case, Quinn didn't nearly get his money's worth for waxing nostalgic about the bad old days of vigilante justice after Jarome Iginla took Sheldon Souray into the end boards at Rexall Place.

Apparently, a fistfight initiated by captain Ethan Moreau as retribution for the play wasn't sufficient retribution in the eyes of the 66-year-old Oilers coach, who gave fist-pumping mouth-breathers everywhere something to "Hell, ya" about with his post-game $10,000 take on what unfolded.

Quinn said:

"I don't understand the players of today ... if that had happened in my era, the player would have been hit over the head with a stick right afterwards. That's the way you dealt with things, in the era I come from, you deal dirt with dirt. They won't let the vigilante stuff ... why give him the honour of a fistfight?"

 Pardon?  

Over the top

I get the from-the-gut sentiment that prompted Quinn to say what he did, especially when emotions remain high right after a disappointing loss, but he chose his words badly, to say the least.

I like a good punch-up as much as anybody, but anything that can even be loosely interpreted as justifying having any player -- even when framed as "back in the day" -- swing his stick at the head of another player can't be allowed to slide by. That doesn't belong in the game. Never has. Never will.

It's OK to go Wayne Maki on somebody? Really? It's OK to have somebody convulsing on the ice like Ted Green did after Maki clubbed him in a stick-swinging battle? I think not. I know not. How about you?

I have a lot of respect for Quinn, and I'm old enough to be an old-school guy, but the old coach is flat-out wrong to suggest anything more than what Moreau did, very badly mind you, Thursday was warranted as retribution for Iginla's hit.

Pay the price

When a play unfolds as the situation with Iginla and Souray did, there's nothing wrong, within the framework of what's acceptable in the NHL, for Moreau to go looking for Iginla as he did.

The problem, as I see it, Thursday, is Moreau didn't get the job done. Had he punched Iginla bloody in a toe-to-toe exchange, would Quinn have said what he said? Would we be talking about this today? I think not.

You can try to read motive into Iginla's hit if you must, but I believe the Calgary captain when he says he didn't mean for it to happen the way it did. Iginla is as honest a player as there is in the league and always has been. If he wasn't, he would've beat the hell out of Moreau when the gloves came off instead of holding up when Moreau lost his balance and fell.

Like I said, I get the sentiment Quinn expressed, but it's a leap in logic I'm not willing to accept to suggest bringing a club into the payback equation is in any way justified. Not in the bad old days. Not now.

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#51 Jasmine
October 09 2009, 09:29PM
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Lofty wrote:

any idea what Souray's status is?

dantencer Renney on Souray: "It's kind of day to day for the moment, and that's about as much as I can offer up."

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#52 Paq Twinn
October 09 2009, 09:37PM
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I as well do not believe Quinn was suggesting the Oilers do anything he mentioned, just that Jerome should count his lucky stars that he remembers his name this morning. Had he done the exact same play 20 years ago, in a BOA to boot, he might have a hard time figuring out where he woke up this morning. Moreau's mistake was "asking" Iginla to fight. What he should have done is grabbed him and beat him, you don't ask for permission you just do it. That's how I see it any way.

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#53 Gret99zky
October 09 2009, 09:55PM
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I don't think Iginla got a free pass during the game. He got 2 minutes for tripping. It was clearly a trip.

I wonder though...

Is the league going to take any action? It was clearly a dangerous play.

Will the league give him a pass?

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#54 jeanshorts
October 09 2009, 10:28PM
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@Gret99zky

Of course the league will give him a pass. It's not like he made a terrible joke about someones girlfriend or god forbid said something positive about a player on another team, since that's, you know, tampering and all. Thank god he didn't cross any of those lines.

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#55 RossCreekNation
October 09 2009, 10:34PM
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Been away from the 'puter for the last 24 hours (~celebrating my championship~) and here I am reading over the comments. I am completely stunned with how stupid some people can be. Also heard a few calls on Gregor's show today, some of which were absurdly appalling. When you have Oiler fan attacking Oiler fan over some of these comments... nuff said.

Its completely understandable to be a little hot about things in the heat of the battle and following the loss, but when you have posers goin on and on about it the following afternoon about how he should've been attacked right after (as he was shaking off his own cobwebs in what looked like a scary play for both players) or that someone should have came from behind and elbowed & suckered him and beat him into a bloody pulp, even going as far as to suggest "taking one for the team" and sacrificing themselves in doing a suspendable offense just to exact revenge... by gawd! What next... suggestions of a tire iron to Iginla's knee outside the dressing room after the next morning skate? Enough rant. Ender, Dakin et al... props and RESPECK!

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#56 Smokin' Ray
October 09 2009, 10:39PM
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Are some of you smoking crack? Watch the replay.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvN6TBLy-wQ

Now watch it again.

It was an accident. Plain and simple. Just an accident. I hate the fLames and I understand it was an accident. No homerism. Just an accident.

Paq Twinn is right, someone (other than Moreau IMO) should have beaten the crap out of Iggy without asking. That's all Quinn wanted. The "GET'em" mentality. Just fu*king get him.

In retrospect, Moreau was the wrong guy for the moment. Why not Jacques or Stortini? Even Sammy the Bull would have fared better. Moreau is not that "kind" of guy.

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#57 nullterm
October 09 2009, 10:44PM
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JFJ did have words with Iggy later in the game by the benches, but I guess teh Flamer didn't want to dance with someone that would have done the job correctly.

If he did square off and JFJ rightfully turned him into a puddle, he'd have folk hero status and the key to the city in Edmonton today.

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#58 jeanshorts
October 09 2009, 10:45PM
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@Smokin' Ray

By that "kind" of guy are you referring to someone who can stand up on skates?

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#59 Smokin' Ray
October 09 2009, 10:50PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

By that "kind" of guy are you referring to someone who can stand up on skates?

Yes. (excluding Big Mac)

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#60 RossCreekNation
October 09 2009, 10:54PM
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nullterm wrote:

JFJ did have words with Iggy later in the game by the benches, but I guess teh Flamer didn't want to dance with someone that would have done the job correctly.

If he did square off and JFJ rightfully turned him into a puddle, he'd have folk hero status and the key to the city in Edmonton today.

And what makes you so certain Jacques turns him to a puddle? Not saying it isn't possible, but who's to say Iggy doesn't tune whomever comes his way?Chances are, we see Iginla v. Souray in the future.

So... if Jacques tunes Iggy, then would that mean Sheldon would lose his 'right' to fight Iggy next time? And THEN can someone seek retribution on Jacques for his Iginla tuning? And then what?

Personally, I think Moreau did things the 'right' way. He gets no style points and a DNF, but he had the right idea. Quinn's comments baffle me. I mean, what would he have said if it was an actual ugly, dirty cheapshot by a goon? Seriously?

Robin said it best... Had he punched Iginla bloody in a toe-to-toe exchange, would Quinn have said what he said? Would we be talking about this today? I think not.

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#61 Librarian Mike
October 09 2009, 10:55PM
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jeanshorts wrote:

By that "kind" of guy are you referring to someone who can stand up on skates?

Well, that rules me out unless I can bring a chair.

I'm really starting to think that this 'story' has grown as a measure to divert from the fact that our team is facing some serious confidence issues. I shudder to think about what kind of condition they're going to be in at the 19:20 point of the 3rd against Montreal.

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#62 Librarian Mike
October 09 2009, 10:57PM
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...assuming they're leading, that is.

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#63 RossCreekNation
October 09 2009, 11:09PM
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@Librarian Mike

Ya, shouldn't the story be a failure to maintain a 1 goal lead with seconds left?

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#64 rob
October 09 2009, 11:23PM
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I can't say I agree with either the theory Iggy is really a good guy at heart or that Quinn is wrong in his response. He is getting frustrated with this Oiler team who are an ineffective bunch of softies and posers. They are a team populated with too many panty-waists and company pussies. Iggy and about 5 or 6 other Flamers need creases in their skulls.

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#65 Jasmine
October 09 2009, 11:28PM
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Gret99zky wrote:

I don't think Iginla got a free pass during the game. He got 2 minutes for tripping. It was clearly a trip.

I wonder though...

Is the league going to take any action? It was clearly a dangerous play.

Will the league give him a pass?

Yes he will since it happened against the Oilers and it was a superstar.

The league needs to send a message and start suspending for superstars just like anyone else.

Had that been a 4th liner, I bet there would have been 5 and a game but because it's Iginla, he gets a free pass.

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#66 common sense
October 09 2009, 11:29PM
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I appreciate coach Quinn's fire and brimstone and I know all you media folks are loving every second of it. It doesn't matter if Iginla did it with intent or not, the damage was done and a key player is out. I guess the precedent is now you can trip a player into the boards chasing down an icing and it only warrant 2 minutes. All those millionaire Calgary defensemen better be on the lookout for some solid hits and maybe a few trips or two, all without any intent or malice of course...

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#67 Jasmine
October 09 2009, 11:34PM
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Smokin' Ray wrote:

Are some of you smoking crack? Watch the replay.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvN6TBLy-wQ

Now watch it again.

It was an accident. Plain and simple. Just an accident. I hate the fLames and I understand it was an accident. No homerism. Just an accident.

Paq Twinn is right, someone (other than Moreau IMO) should have beaten the crap out of Iggy without asking. That's all Quinn wanted. The "GET'em" mentality. Just fu*king get him.

In retrospect, Moreau was the wrong guy for the moment. Why not Jacques or Stortini? Even Sammy the Bull would have fared better. Moreau is not that "kind" of guy.

Accidents normally don't cause concussions. It was careless and cheap. The Oilers are very sensitive to concussions as they had 6 players miss games last season because of concussions. The NHL needs to stop giving superstars special treatment. They need to treat everyone the same and that means if a superstar crosses the line, he should be suspended just like a fourth liner or goon.

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#68 AlbertaRanger
October 09 2009, 11:54PM
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@Smokin' Ray

Here's my two-cents on this Souray-saga:

Jarome Iginla didn't intend to hurt Souray, and yes, he wasn't malicious with his stick. Iginla, however, is at fault for being careless with his stick.

I am pretty sure there were two instances last season were similar situations resulted in suspensions because of how dangerous this play really is. And in both instances, it was a forward slough-footing a defenseman with his stick to avoid an icing call and both were similar in style to Iginla's move last night.

I am searching the net to find proof in what I am talking about.

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#69 DonDon
October 09 2009, 11:56PM
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If Pat Quinn and his coaches watched the Flames/Dallas game tonight on TV, I'm sure they would have appreciated watching full-fledged, rough and tough NHLers playing each other (and the Flames losing). Instead, he and his coaches are faced with the challenges generated by Kevin Lowe and perpetuated by Steve Tambellini of the unlikely prospects of preparing and present a winning Oiler team almost devoid of grit and physicality. Instead of real contenders, they have pretenders (small, soft, weak on the puck) pretenders. Interesting remarks on Lowetide about Quinn's likely relationship to his new team; being more of an analyst appraising this team rather than adopting it as his own. Probably wondering why he accepted the assignment in the first place. Many other Oil fans wonder the same thing.

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#70 David S
October 10 2009, 12:27AM
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OK you guys. Things have really spiralled out of hand here. You think you were pissed off after last night's game? Try being the guy on the bench who's just had his second win in a week snatched away by stupid last-minute blunders of his own guys.

Then imagine walking into the post-game presser 15 minutes later without the advantage of watching the replay video a few hundred times on YouTube. He only saw the action from 50 feet away at ice level. Naturally he was CHOKED and probably one stupid question away from losing it altogether. Seems to me Quinn was ranting about the vanillafication of the league in general. No doubt he said some things that were pretty rough around the edges, but surely forgivable in the heat of the moment. And don't think for a moment that whole thing might have been a calculated stunt to rally his guys.

As far as the guys on Lowetide, well he's a legend, but the posters are speculating as much as anybody here. Only difference is that they're professional pontificators who've been plying their trade for considerably longer.

That group is the best in the 'sphere as far as fan hockey knowledge goes, but you'd swear to god that half of them were right beside Brownlee in the dressing room. Fact is they're fans just like you guys, so don't take anything you hear over there as anything more than very well informed gossip. Its still the hens talking, just older hens.

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#71 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 10 2009, 07:35AM
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Jasmine wrote:

Accidents normally don't cause concussions. It was careless and cheap. The Oilers are very sensitive to concussions as they had 6 players miss games last season because of concussions. The NHL needs to stop giving superstars special treatment. They need to treat everyone the same and that means if a superstar crosses the line, he should be suspended just like a fourth liner or goon.

Accidents normally don't cause concussions

really? how do you figure?

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#72 MattL
October 10 2009, 08:30AM
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Smokin' Ray wrote:

Are some of you smoking crack? Watch the replay.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvN6TBLy-wQ

Now watch it again.

It was an accident. Plain and simple. Just an accident. I hate the fLames and I understand it was an accident. No homerism. Just an accident.

Paq Twinn is right, someone (other than Moreau IMO) should have beaten the crap out of Iggy without asking. That's all Quinn wanted. The "GET'em" mentality. Just fu*king get him.

In retrospect, Moreau was the wrong guy for the moment. Why not Jacques or Stortini? Even Sammy the Bull would have fared better. Moreau is not that "kind" of guy.

Exactly. Everyone wonders why there was no instant revenge, but when it happened live, it looked like Souray lost an edge, not like Iggy slough (slew?) footed him. Obviously Iginla wouldn't drive his own head into the boards to make a dirty play. He slowed down on the play too, which he wouldn't have done if he was really trying to board the guy.

I think we all would have liked to see Iginla lose a fight as retribution, but I wouldn't have been thrilled with a crosscheck to the face or some such goonery.

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#73 olderthendirt
October 10 2009, 08:37AM
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Under the rules Iginla can't drive him into the boards so he tries to reach around him for the puck and takes his feet out. Then he does the modern thing and goes down to show his innocence and ends up driving 44's head into the boards. Careless use of stick, yes. Still should have been a 5 mnute major.

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#74 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 08:45AM
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I'm curious how Quinns comments became more important then the fact, 4 on ice offials and numerous heads in the war room, missed Rene Bourque's high stick, when it was so clearly a high stick on tv. Perhaps Quinn doesn't go off quite the same way if the refs get that call right. But perhaps the refs don't get a chance to blow the call if Hemsky doesn't have a brain cramp at Calgary's blueline. Instead of sending the puck in deep, he tries to be cute and make a play with 3 defenders all around. WTF Hemsky? That's how I see it any way.

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#75 B-Rad
October 10 2009, 08:47AM
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@Smokin' Ray

I think you are right it was an accident, but you still need to be accountable for your own stick. It would be the same as if, Iggy accidentally high sticked him and he was out with a mild concussion. You have to be accoutable, and it should have been looked into a little bit.

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#76 MrOiler
October 10 2009, 09:26AM
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It was a dangerous and reckless play. I don't care if Iginla is normally a honourable guy or not, he caused what could have been a serious injury because of poor judgement.

A dumb play is a dumb play.

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#77 Dan the Man
October 10 2009, 09:31AM
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I don't think Iginla is a dirty player but what was he trying to do on that play? Why was his stick where it was? Why was he in a position where he couldn't stop when Souray clearly had his back to him? Like I said, I don't think Iginla is dirty but that was certainly a very careless play.

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#78 Milli
October 10 2009, 09:33AM
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@Ender

Dude, are you in love with Iggy? The hit was cheap, careless, you must be in full control of your stick. He plays tough, he plays dirty, no friggin question. Why do you insist on defending a sucks against all comments? Isn't that rosscreeks job?

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#79 Deans
October 10 2009, 09:52AM
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I DO NOT think that the Iginla hit was dirty. I personally dont believe that Ignla intentionally tripped Souray so he would go face first into the boards. It's a fast game and I belive Iggy was going for the puck.

Now onto Quinn's post game tirade. First of all that is some nice revisionist history he has going on there. Secondly, I'm not even sure that Quinn actually believes his own statements. I feel he is too smart to by this Don Cherry propaganda. Maybe I'm giving Quinn too much credit but he could have been making these comments as a way to get his new players behind his vision. He also wants them to believe that coach Quinn has their back and wishes they weren't handcuffed by those 'pesky bleeding heart rules'. I see Quinn's tirade as a glorified motivational speech, nothing more.

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#80 Milli
October 10 2009, 09:57AM
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Regardless of intent, no difernet than high sticking, you must be in control of your stick. PERIOD.

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#81 Smokin' Ray
October 10 2009, 10:06AM
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Milli wrote:

Regardless of intent, no difernet than high sticking, you must be in control of your stick. PERIOD.

GAME DAY!!!

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#82 Deans
October 10 2009, 10:10AM
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Milli wrote:

Regardless of intent, no difernet than high sticking, you must be in control of your stick. PERIOD.

Fine but lets not say it was a dirty hit when it was an honest mistake. No need for the Oilers do puff their chests out and pretend they are on the war path for justice. It's a fast game and it is unrealistic to expect players to be 100% in control of their sticks at all times. Should Ignla have gotten penalty? Of course. It's just foolish to treat him like a war criminal, ala Bertuzzi and Mcsorley.

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#83 Smokin' Ray
October 10 2009, 10:11AM
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In case any of you can't watch the game, follow Oilers Jambalaya's Paq Twinn on Twitter and stay informed.

www.twitter.com/paqtwinn

He's the Rod Phillips of Oilers Twitter.

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#84 Hemmertime
October 10 2009, 10:21AM
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@Deans

Milli Wrote

It's a fast game and it is unrealistic to expect players to be 100% in control of their sticks at all times.

Ridiculous statement, its a fast highway, people shouldnt have to be in control of their cars the whole time. Its a safety issue, you are expected to be in control.

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#85 PattQuinn'sChesthair
October 10 2009, 10:26AM
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Quinn's sentiment was nothing more than an off the cuff remark made when emotions were high. Im sure he didn't intend to advocate stick swinging anymore than iginla meant to put Sourray into the boards melon first. (and for the record, I don't believe it was intentional) Both actions were irresponsible, and Pat Quinn has had to pay the price to the league, unfortunately, Iggy has not had to pay any sort of price, I think a one game suspention for any incident such as this would be acceptable. All that being said, Quinn sir, you are one funny SOB, keep the oldman quotes coming. Maybe the players will take a page out of your book and NUT UP!

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#86 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 10:33AM
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@Milli

Oh... so just because I'm a Flames fan and Deans or Dakin or Ender or OBjr and so on are Oiler fans, they shouldn't take their blinders off and make a fair assessment of things? Only a Flames fan should be defending Iggy... and strictly because they're a Flames fan? I'm not so blind as to defend any Flames player 100% at all costs. So why should they be?

Hockey is a fast game. That type of play happens every game, every period for that matter. Iginla did not trip him purposely. Are you responsible for your own stick at all times - yes. Which is why he got a penalty. For christ sakes Iginla went into the boards face/head first too. It was an ugly looking play and my initial reaction was OUCH as I thought BOTH players could be hurt badly. It was unfortunate, but what do you want to see? He got a penalty and he had to fight because of it.

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#87 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 10:40AM
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This guy, on the other hand, deserved to be knocked out...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-3W5jBeo24&feature=player_embedded#at=55

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#88 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
October 10 2009, 10:41AM
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GD, B!

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#89 Smokin' Ray
October 10 2009, 10:48AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

This guy, on the other hand, deserved to be knocked out...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-3W5jBeo24&feature=player_embedded#at=55

This is awesome. I laughed pretty hard. Thanks for this. It made my morning.

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#90 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 10:49AM
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@Smokin'Ray Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not that good yet. No pressure, eh guy. I'll do my best, hopefully I can be half as good as Hot Rod. Check it out tonight(www.twitter.com/paqtwinn) as the Oilers take on the Canadiens at RX1. GOILERS!!!

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#91 Deans
October 10 2009, 11:01AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Milli Wrote

It's a fast game and it is unrealistic to expect players to be 100% in control of their sticks at all times.

Ridiculous statement, its a fast highway, people shouldnt have to be in control of their cars the whole time. Its a safety issue, you are expected to be in control.

Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other, see what fills up first. Just b/c we expect something or we want something doesn’t make it realistic. I'm not saying we should unequivocally morally absolve everyone who makes a mistake, but lets just be real. It's impossible to ensure safety all the time in every situation. Of course we are expected to be in control but it's unrealistic to expect safety at all times, even if everyone took all of the necessary precautions. Sh*t happens and we shouldn’t get on our moral high horses when these inevitable mistakes happen (wheither on the highway or rink). If someone had intent to hurt another or was overly negligent (as stated previously I don’t believe that Iginla was overly negligent) then they should be morally condemned. Let's just try to live in the real world not our idealist visions of what the world should be. If you play a fast physical game like hockey or you drive on a highway, you are putting yourself at risk and we shouldn't piss and moan or judge others (exceptions mentioned above) when harm inevitably occurs. There is no safety net,

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#92 Kingsblade
October 10 2009, 11:02AM
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Deans wrote:

Fine but lets not say it was a dirty hit when it was an honest mistake. No need for the Oilers do puff their chests out and pretend they are on the war path for justice. It's a fast game and it is unrealistic to expect players to be 100% in control of their sticks at all times. Should Ignla have gotten penalty? Of course. It's just foolish to treat him like a war criminal, ala Bertuzzi and Mcsorley.

How is that unrealistic? What is even less realistic is believing that he had no idea where his stick was. These are professional hockey players, and at this point if they cannot control their stick they have no business playing the game and risking everyone around them.

If a guy sticks his stick where he knows it doesn't belong while they are skating hard at the boards in a very dangerous position then it is dirty. It doesn't matter if they are usually a dirty player or not.

Your "justice" comment also misses the point entirely. The idea is to make sure next time he takes care of his stick. Justice is irrelevant. Getting to fight Moreau is a good time for Iginla, so how is that a deterrent?

I would love to have somebody, anybody, explain how Iginla was discouraged from future similar "carelesness"? (since you are all so horrified by calling it a dirty play even though making such a risky play when you know it's dangerous because you have played hockey your entire life is practically the definition of a dirty play)

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#93 Chaz
October 10 2009, 11:04AM
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Haven't had time to read all of the comments but IMO I think the league is to blame here. Having touch icing inevitably leads to several of these types of plays every year. Anyone who watches Coaches Corner has seen Grapes rant about this, and I agree. For the small amount of excitement that a race for an iced puck adds, it is not worth it for even one of these incidents a year.

As usual the NHL is always reactive and probably won't change to no-touch icing until someone ends up in a wheel chair or dead. Iggy was careless, but that happens in a hockey game. Change the rule and this is a non-issue. Too bad the league is run by Cro-Magnons.

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#94 Kingsblade
October 10 2009, 11:06AM
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Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other, see what fills up first. Just b/c we expect something or we want something doesn’t make it realistic. I'm not saying we should unequivocally morally absolve everyone who makes a mistake, but lets just be real. It's impossible to ensure safety all the time in every situation. Of course we are expected to be in control but it's unrealistic to expect safety at all times, even if everyone took all of the necessary precautions. Sh*t happens and we shouldn’t get on our moral high horses when these inevitable mistakes happen (wheither on the highway or rink). If someone had intent to hurt another or was overly negligent (as stated previously I don’t believe that Iginla was overly negligent) then they should be morally condemned. Let's just try to live in the real world not our idealist visions of what the world should be. If you play a fast physical game like hockey or you drive on a highway, you are putting yourself at risk and we shouldn't piss and moan or judge others (exceptions mentioned above) when harm inevitably occurs. There is no safety net,

Are you arguing that Iginla took precautions and it happened anyways? Was that the precaution of putting his stick where he shouldn't?

How is putting his stick somewhere it might trip a guy who is fl;ying towards the boards not negligent? Intent has zero to do with negligence, and his action was the very essence of negligence.

How is it idealistic to expect players not to put each other in extremely dangerous positions. There is no question at all that it was a play that was inherently risky to the safety of Souray.

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#95 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 11:10AM
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How is that unrealistic? What is even less realistic is believing that he had no idea where his stick was. These are professional hockey players, and at this point if they cannot control their stick they have no business playing the game and risking everyone around them.

~Yeah, you are right... from now on, every player that gets a penalty for careless use of a stick should hereby forevermore be banished from the league~

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#96 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 11:12AM
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@Kingsblade

~Iginla sacrificed his own face into the boards because that's how bad he wanted to injur Souray~

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#97 RossCreekNation
October 10 2009, 11:14AM
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@Kingsblade

~From now on, Iginla has decided he won't put his stick on the ice in case it accidentally comes in contact with someone's skate~

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#98 Deans
October 10 2009, 11:16AM
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Kingsblade wrote:

How is that unrealistic? What is even less realistic is believing that he had no idea where his stick was. These are professional hockey players, and at this point if they cannot control their stick they have no business playing the game and risking everyone around them.

If a guy sticks his stick where he knows it doesn't belong while they are skating hard at the boards in a very dangerous position then it is dirty. It doesn't matter if they are usually a dirty player or not.

Your "justice" comment also misses the point entirely. The idea is to make sure next time he takes care of his stick. Justice is irrelevant. Getting to fight Moreau is a good time for Iginla, so how is that a deterrent?

I would love to have somebody, anybody, explain how Iginla was discouraged from future similar "carelesness"? (since you are all so horrified by calling it a dirty play even though making such a risky play when you know it's dangerous because you have played hockey your entire life is practically the definition of a dirty play)

Perhpas I didnt make my point well enough. I agree with you that fighting or a two minute penalty is not an effective detterent.

Maybe we have different definitions of what a 'dirty' play is. I think for a play to be dirty there has to be malicious intent. I dont think that happened on the hit.

I get what your saying in you'r first paragraph but I just dont see it as a black and white issue. To me, it looked like Iginla was going for the puck. Should we not go for the puck when a skate is in near the puck? If that did occur then these incidents would be few and far between, however it would be a boring ass game. I also dont believe that it is realistic to expect a player at all times, to acurately dicifer if his stick is in a dangerous posistion or in an acceptable posistion, especially when the line between the two is subjective and razor thin. When you factor in that players have to make this decision in a matter of milla seconds, I dont see how we can expect everyone to make the safe decision at all times. Had Ignla approached Souray with his stick in the air this would be a different matter entirely but Ignla's stick was on the ice and going for the puck.

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#99 Deans
October 10 2009, 11:19AM
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I also don't think that Ignla shoud be discouraged from future 'carelessness'

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#100 Paq Twinn
October 10 2009, 11:19AM
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@Chaz I totally agree that "touch" icing is as dumb as bench clearing brawls. There's no place for either in todays game. As far as excitment goes, I like goals and scoring chances, and I can't even think of a goal being scored or a scoring chance occurring "because" of touch icing. However if it was no-touch icing there would be a face-off in the offensive zone, automatic scoring chance if the face-off is won. These ARE professionals, why do they need a short-cut like icing the puck when they get into trouble in their own zone. Likewise why punish a team that has sustained pressure on their oponents only to have to skate back hard and risk severe injury. Its time to bring in no-touch icing. That's how I see it any way.

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