Oilers vs. Blue Jackets Post Game: Power Play 2, Everyone Else 0

Jonathan Willis
November 16 2009 09:02PM

Columbus Blue Jackets: 3

Edmonton Oilers: 2 (SO)

That was some good, entertaining hockey if nothing else.  Two fights very early in the game and a ton of scrums kept everybody tuned in despite no goals in the first, and the powerplay was deadly for both teams, with all four goals scored with the man advantage.

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me

1. Ales Hemsky.  Always lethal against the Blue Jackets, Ales Hemsky scored the Oilers' first goal on the power play as the puck slid between the legs of both Mathieu Garon and Dustin Penner.  He also landed a big hit on Rick Nash, which caught the play-by-play crew (and undoubtedly more than a few fans) by surprise.  His goal tonight is his eighth power play point of the season and third goal, both of which are tied for the team lead.  Not that this will stop people from suggesting the Oilers run a better power play without Hemsky.  After all, he's been shooting for years too (right now Hemsky's 2.83 shots/game is just a hair behind Patrick O'Sullivan's 2.95) and people still say he doesn't shoot nearly enough.

2. Nikolai Khabibulin.  Had a fine night, coming up big on several different defensive zone breakdowns.  More importantly, he stopped 30 shots as the Oilers were once again outshot by an opponent.

3. Lubomir Visnovsky.  Visnovsky was in on both Oiler goals and while Sheldon Souray rightly gets credit for his potent shot, it was Visnovsky who hammered home a one-timer past Mathieu Garon (on a Sheldon Souray rebound) tonight.

Random Thoughts

I wandered over to mc79hockey.com after the game, to find that the scoring chance numbers were already up.  I was unsurprised to see that Sheldon Souray, who had been tremendous with the man advantage, was on for three chances for and eight against at even strength; he's still not quite up to snuff after coming back from injury, and it's perhaps a bit early to be giving him 26:56 in time on ice.  That said, it's nice to see him back, and the sooner he gets up to 100% the better this franchise will be.

Also in "nice to see", Dean Arsene got his first NHL action tonight courtesy of Sam Gagner's injury, and played 6:24, all at even-strength.  Pat Quinn said after the game that he would normally have been the Oilers' first call-up, but he was sick and then Chorney performed well.  I wonder if that means we haven't seen the last of Arsene this season.

It's interesting how perception plays a role in things.  Rick Nash had two breakaways tonight, one completely clear and one one partial, and he lost the handle on the puck on both of them.  Meanwhile, Dustin Penner didn't manage a shot on his shootout attempt.  These are naturally reflections of bad ice or bad luck, rather than a lack of skill on the part of these two players, but I've seen other players jumped on in these situations.

There still seems to be confusion about which line is the fourth line.  Quinn referred to the combination of Moreau, Stortini and Cogliano as the fourth line, probably because they seem like a natural fit for the role, but they haven't played fourth line minutes in some time now.  Louie DeBrusk suggested the Brule line, again excusably given that he was playing with two callups.  Neither was correct.  Rather, the fourth line was the line of Comrie, O'Sullivan and Strudwick (who Sportsnet bizzarely listed as the second line).  Strudwick wasn't the giveaway (although he bounced back to defence at times) but Comrie should have been.  He's been Quinn's least-used even strength forward pretty much every game over this road trip.  Comrie still gets power play minutes, but at 5-on-5 he very rarely sees the ice.

I thought Gilbert Brule's line (with Potulny and Reddox) had a very decent game.

Going back to scoring chances, the only real loser on the night was Steve Staios, who was on for 14 of the Blue Jackets' 20 even strength opportunities.  Also looking bad by this metric was the Stortini, Cogliano and Moreau line, who averaged 2/8 at even strength on the night.

Funny things Doug MacLean says (this has potential as a regular feature): apparently, there's a fear both in and out of the Columbus organization that they aren't tough enough to match up with league heavyweights like Zack Stortini.  No, I'm not making that up.

What did everyone else think?

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Charlie N64
November 16 2009, 09:08PM
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"there's a fear both in and out of the Columbus organization that they aren't tough enough to match up with league heavyweights like Zack Stortini."

I have a feeling that the fear he creates is in direct proportion to the awesomeness of his mustache.

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#2 Heatly
November 16 2009, 09:21PM
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Only saw the shootout, but heard they played an alright game.

Did Zack knock someone out? I need to see this! Hope we won the fights at least.

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#3 Pajamah
November 16 2009, 09:22PM
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@Charlie N64

Captain Caveman is looking/fighting very well this season.

Scoretonsi for president!(of my heart)

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#4 Senator Theo
November 16 2009, 09:53PM
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That Penner is a Bum! He couldn't hit the #!?8% side of a barn! He's no better than that waste of skin Rick Nash.

How's that JW?

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#5 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
November 16 2009, 09:53PM
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sh it, i posted my post game in the other thread. nothing a little paste and copy cant fix.

brb

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#6 Senator Theo
November 16 2009, 09:54PM
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Even strength goals notwithstanding, I'll take an entertaining game like that over what we've seen. That may not please the coaching staff, but fans can get behind an effort like that.

(somewhat repeated from GDB thread)

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#7 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
November 16 2009, 09:55PM
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good game for the team as a team.

o'sullivan looked good on two plays. it looks like his head is not in it most of the times. it appears he doesnt even know what he is going to do most of the time.

penner had solid effort all over through out the night. it is very exciting to see him come in down the wing.

Brule and reddox deserve an honorable mention. i didnt notice potulny out there as a presence, same goes for comrie as well.

i liked coglianos forecheck tonight, and the fight stortini showed. moreau ofcourse i cussed a few time, im sure you all know on which plays.

horcoff i wasnt much impressed with. he started to look like he was going to have a good night, until the first powerplay. he messed a few plays but still showed effort so we wont hate.

hemsky looked so so as well. good effort and jump most of the night.

souray looked awesome tonight. gilbert didnt loook too bad paired up with him. staios was ok, got away with one penlaty because another one was already called on the oilers, IMO. plus the one he took as the front half of the 5 on 3. smid looked very comfrontable with the puck tonight, solid all night. i wanted to see him and nash go after nash punched him like that, just a pipe dream. lubo was solid on the pp, almost got sodomized twice in the ot. i didnt notice much of arsene, but atleast he didnt stand out for the wrong reasons.

solid game by khabi, couldnt really blame him for either goal.

the line changes looked very good and smooth tonight. the game was very fast and exciting, especcially in the third. the previous few games i watched before the atlanta game(i didnt watch that matinee) the line change seemed to be the biggest thingg that killed the play for the team.

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#8 DonDon
November 16 2009, 10:02PM
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Pat Quinn didn't look very happy during the game. Most players are back from either injuries or the 'flu, but the team only earned 4 out of 10 points on this road trip. It is understandable why he would unhappy, I suppose; he's probably wondering why he let Tambellini talk him and Renney into coaching this mess of a hockey team.

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#9 OilerLoverFlameoutHater
November 16 2009, 10:54PM
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I think Quinn may be having a lil sit down with Tambo real soon be giving him a piece of his mind. I suspect we may be seeing some changes to this squad shortly after. Right???

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#10 Gunner
November 16 2009, 10:56PM
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Jonathan I have to agree with you regarding the Brule, Potulny and Reddox line. They were buzzing all night long and for such a "small" line they were creating turnovers and pressuring the puck well.

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#11 OilerLoverFlameoutHater
November 16 2009, 11:08PM
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Gretzky doc reveals details of the trade that changed hockey forever ALEX STRACHAN, CANWEST NEWS SERVICE PUBLISHED: MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2009 "Good evening. That Canadian symbol, the Great One, is heading south."

View Large Acclaimed director Peter Berg presents the captivating story of the trade that knocked the wind out of an entire country, and placed a star-studded city right at the humble feet of a 27-year-old kid, known simply as 'The Great One.' Photograph by : Still, Kings Ransom ARTICLE TOOLS Printer friendly E-mail Font:

RELATED LINKS Kings Ransom: Quotes from the documentary - Lloyd Robertson, opening CTV News' national newscast, Aug. 9, 1988. LOS ANGELES, Calif. - Wayne Gretzky thought about how many more Stanley Cups he could have won with the Edmonton Oilers the "whole time" he played for the Los Angeles Kings, the hockey icon says in a new documentary about his 1988 trade. "How many Cups did you win in Edmonton?. . ." director Peter Berg asks at one point in Kings Ransom. "How many did you win in L.A.? . . . And how many could you have won if you stayed in Edmonton? . . . Do you think about that?" "Yeah. The whole time," Gretzky responds. For his part, Berg didn't want to make just another sports film.  A feature filmmaker - Berg's films as a director include Friday Night Lights, Hancock and The Kingdom - wanted Kings Ransom, his documentary about the trade that sent Gretzky to the Kings, to stand the test of time. He wanted it to be both an artistic achievement and a journalistic record, and so he gave it a deliberately grainy, dated look, to resemble one of the classic NFL Films. He paced it to be crisp and fast, edited to the rhythms of a music video - a 2009 stylistic signature on an '80s tale - but, deep down, he wanted to recreate an era. Big hair. Skinny hockey players. A team built for speed. Berg, a lifelong hockey fan who made his living in a city where hockey rated a distant fifth in public favour - behind football, basketball, baseball and, for all Berg knew, croquet - originally intended his film to be a simple story of how a struggling NHL team - a 20th-place team in a 21-team league - became respectable overnight. He wanted his film to be a record of how a single trade can turn an entire league upside down and change a sport forever. As a native New Yorker living and working in Los Angeles, he assumed it would be an L.A. story. And then, as he won Gretzky's trust - slowly at first, and then absolutely, implicitly and without reservation - his film turned into a story about Edmonton, about how a city's heart was torn out and how the scar still remains on the national psyche. National borders evaporate in Kings Ransom. There is no U.S. and Canada - just a smallish northern city losing an iconic star the people have embraced as one of their own, a native son, and a southern city of eight million people built on glitter and Hollywood glamour. A young Lloyd Robertson is shown breaking the news to a nation on CTV, and Knowlton Nash on CBC. In Los Angeles, the Kings go overnight from selling 5,000 seats a game to selling out the arena for an entire season. There are heroes and villains and, yes, in the end, regrets. Gretzky was reserved at first, Berg said in an interview. And then, as Kings Ransom came closer to being, Gretzky became more involved. Finally, Berg got together with Gretzky on the golf course. And after a while, Gretzky forgets the camera is even there. He's outspoken, forthright, honest. If Berg is startled by just how candid Gretzky is being, he doesn't let it show. Gretzky, for his part, seems to understand he is talking to a filmmaker and not just another sports reporter. In life, he's a quiet and reserved person who values his privacy, but here Gretzky talks about everything - about his marriage, about his fairy tale wedding in Edmonton, about his ego, about the friends he grew up with and learned to adore and respect, about the pressure of carrying an entire franchise on his back. And, in a revelation likely to cut deep into the hearts of Oilers fans, he talks about his regrets. Berg has chosen to tell his story chronologically, with such attention to day-to-day detail that it's hard to imagine anyone born or living in Edmonton today not feeling as if the wound is opening all over again. Berg talked to then-Oilers owner Peter Pocklington - the villain in the piece for so many in Edmonton, who comes across in Kings Ransom as a pragmatist who made a calculated decision based strictly on business - and then-Kings owner Bruce McNall. Berg doesn't shy away from controversy. A title crawl at the end of the film reveals McNall's disgrace just six years later - a conviction for fraud. Glen Sather talks freely about his anger - rage would be a more apt description - and how he shouted over the phone to McNall that while Pocklington may be the owner, he, Sather, ran the team. Longtime Oilers radio announcer Rod Phillips talks about the effect the young Stanley Cup-winning team had on a Prairie city, and how the trade had a lasting ripple effect that is arguably still being felt to this day, 22 years later. Gretzky admits that moments before his press conference where he famously teared up - "I promised Mess I wouldn't do this," - Pocklington and Sather offered him a last-minute out, in case he had a change of heart. Gretzky says he felt the heavy weight of inevitability, though. Deep down, he knew there was no backing out. Perhaps for the first time, Kings Ransom explains why: "The business behind a big, high-profile trade is fascinating," Berg said. "You generally only hear about it when it's done. To dig deep into the essence and origins of how a complicated deal like the soap opera that was the Gretzky trade gets done - who the players are and what's happening behind the scenes - I thought was just a very compelling idea, particularly for a sports fan. Money, love of the game and national honour all sort of collided in this one moment in time." In perhaps Kings Ransom's most startling revelation, the moment when Gretzky decided he would never again play for Pocklington is both painful and heartbreaking.  For Berg, a lifelong hockey buff, the film took on a life of its own. It became instead a Shakespearean tale about life, love, longing and loyalty - the loyalty of a city to its chosen hero, and the loyalty of a man to his wife and, for her part, her loyalty to him. Incredibly, for Berg, Kings Ransom became a tale about regret and a desire and need to change the past, and not the celebration of joy and euphoria in his hometown the filmmaker thought it would be. "I realized that, as much as it was going to change the dynamics of a sport in one city (Los Angeles), it was equally going to be a blow to a city like Edmonton. That's what I thought of more, as this film came together. It became more that story, a story of how this community that, in so many ways, had its identity wrapped around not just hockey but this one individual. "To have that individual ripped from the community, at the height of his talent - I knew there were larger issues in play. I realized it had become a national issue, not just for Edmonton but for Canada. That was one of the aspects that made me want to do a documentary about it." Getting Gretzky on board took some doing. At first. "Wayne is a very humble and, in many ways, a very shy person who was interested initially, but certainly wasn't chomping at the bit for this to happen," Berg said. "And then, as we started dusting off the memories and the emotions, and as he started to relive that experience, he realized it was such a key moment in his life, such a formative and pivotal moment, he had to do it." Kings Ransom premieres Wednesday, Nov. 18 on TSN at 7:30 p.m. ET/4:30 p.m. PT. astrachan@canwest.com

blog: www.canada.com/tvguy   Canwest News Service

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#12 OilerLoverFlameoutHater
November 16 2009, 11:10PM
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Sorry for the long post. But I found it a very good read and needed to share it and don't know how to post links lol. Looking forward to watching it though

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#13 Jasmine
November 16 2009, 11:20PM
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@DonDon

Most players aren't back from injury. They still had 8 players out with injury tonight. Pisani, Gagner, Stone, Jacques, Grebeshkov, Chorney are still out as are Nilsson and Pouliot.

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#14 BarryS
November 16 2009, 11:37PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Most players aren't back from injury. They still had 8 players out with injury tonight. Pisani, Gagner, Stone, Jacques, Grebeshkov, Chorney are still out as are Nilsson and Pouliot.

@DonDon

Just because some players are back only means they are healthy enough to play, not necessarily healthy as in pain free totally healed. We've all heard players say the doctor says I can't hurt it any more. This means not healed and not likely to be healed for months after the season. I expect Hemsky and Horkoff with their shoulders fit that description. Remember last year when it took Gagner over a half year for his ankle to heal. Hopefully, not the one he hurt again.

As well, it takes a while to redevelop chemistry with linemates after being away for a while. Seems to me Comrie playing with different mates every game fits into taking time to develop chemistry category. And having asthma and the flu likely means it takes even longer to get back in game shape.

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#15 BarryS
November 16 2009, 11:48PM
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OilerLoverFlameoutHater wrote:

I think Quinn may be having a lil sit down with Tambo real soon be giving him a piece of his mind. I suspect we may be seeing some changes to this squad shortly after. Right???

Can't buy if no one's selling and robbery is against the law. Can't trade if no one wants what you have to trade. What's out there, only two rumours of rumours of someone who might be on the block?

The purpose of trades is to make your team better or else to get rid of salary. With no one to trade for and no need to get rid of salary, how are there going to be any trades?

And Could'a, would'a, and should'a are nags that can't race any more.

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#16 David S
November 16 2009, 11:57PM
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Comrie is still feeling the effects of his flu aggravated asthma. His minutes are still below what he should be getting, although he's been playing better the past couple of games. His only mistake tonight was putting a sure goal on the stick of O'Sullivan, and we all knew how that was going to turn out before the shot was taken.

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#17 Ambassador humantorch
November 17 2009, 01:32AM
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Someone please take Moreau out behind the barn and put him out of all of our misery. Good god.

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#18 jave_911
November 17 2009, 04:25AM
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another good effort from the boys! they kinda look like a profesional team. Competitive, but not good enough to be in the top half of the league. maybe in 4 years gagner and co might actually prove there worth. will eberle be worth the hype? maybe MPS will do a better job living up to the billing then gagner. anyone else get the feelling managment isn't gonna do anything but let the natural course of this teams core slowly transition to the young guys in our system. could be a long time til we see playoff action in etown again.

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#19 Reagan
November 17 2009, 06:52AM
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Moreau proved again how slow he really is. Maybe his confidence is lacking as well.

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#20 Wanye
November 17 2009, 07:25AM
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Dang Oilers.

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#21 BUCK75
November 17 2009, 07:32AM
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I get the feeling that people tell MacLean whatever he wants to hear. As far as credible & connected sources go I don't go to Sportsnet for their opinion.

As I didn't watch or listen to the whole game I don't really have any opinions about it. But Penner looked really funny on his shoot out chance. ~0-3 in shoot outs now for PDP, maybe he gets the benefit of the doubt & they don't classify that as an attempt.~

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#22 Milli
November 17 2009, 07:45AM
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Where to start. Penner was aewsome again, I cannot believe the monster this dude has turned into. The reason we scored tonight, the eclise in front of the net. And, when hemmer scored, anyone notice penner telling the ref that he did not touch the puck. I do beliebe he is turning into a leader on and off the ice. Gilbert, I think played his best game of the year. Why do I find myself LOVING LIAM REDDOX? I dunno, but that kid brings ENERGY. That was definitly a fun game to watch, best since Colarado, to bad we didn't win. I am actualy excited about wednesday, and will be there, sporting my rocking nation gear.

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#23 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 07:47AM
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Well Doug Maclean said it and well look what happened to big guys took on two of our big guys and lost. So in a way he is somewhat right.

Over all it wasn't a bad game for the Oilers.

I have to wonder why I only noticed Reddox twice? Because both times when I did notice him he was the fastest skater on the ice creating a chance. Keep doing it and he'll be kept up when the cuts come again.

Comrie looks brutal at times, he seems to be one step behind everyone like Schremp was.

Bulin sure had a few times where he saved us with CBJ jamming at the net.

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#24 rubbertrout
November 17 2009, 07:58AM
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Why must the Oilers make me cry? At least Big Sexy is back. He was a bit rusty at times but it looks like that will wear off soon.

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#25 Reggie
November 17 2009, 08:03AM
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Ambassador humantorch wrote:

Someone please take Moreau out behind the barn and put him out of all of our misery. Good god.

I think that this season is a repeat of last season for Moreau. He continues to take minor penalties in the offensive zone. Ya, maybe the one he took to put the team down by 2 men was marginal, but when you follow up the trip with two fists to the head, you are going to get called.

In addition, as if costing your team on the PP wasn't bad enough, he comes out of the box and nearly takes the head off a columbus player with a high hit to the head. He was extremely lucky that he didn't end up back in the penalty box.

It is obvious he is frustrated, but he continues to hurt this hockey team. If he can't get it done, he should just call it a career. He's a step behind and whether it is the reduced eye sight from the eye injury or just lost a step, he's become a liability out there.

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#26 Reggie
November 17 2009, 08:06AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

My take on Comrie (note, he's my goat), is that he does not generate much offense on his own. He has a nose for the net and can bury chances quite effectively when they appear.

However, sickness aside, I think the coaching staff realizes where he is effective and that is why you continue to see his ice time drop. He just doesn't generate enough.

Personally, if that Reddox, , Brule, Potulny line continues to flourish I'm happy to see them get more ice time.

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#27 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 08:21AM
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Reggie wrote:

I think that this season is a repeat of last season for Moreau. He continues to take minor penalties in the offensive zone. Ya, maybe the one he took to put the team down by 2 men was marginal, but when you follow up the trip with two fists to the head, you are going to get called.

In addition, as if costing your team on the PP wasn't bad enough, he comes out of the box and nearly takes the head off a columbus player with a high hit to the head. He was extremely lucky that he didn't end up back in the penalty box.

It is obvious he is frustrated, but he continues to hurt this hockey team. If he can't get it done, he should just call it a career. He's a step behind and whether it is the reduced eye sight from the eye injury or just lost a step, he's become a liability out there.

I thought Moreau's penalty was kinda bs, the guy was already falling down by himself. Moreua looked pretty decent to me yesterday, had a couple real quality chances. He wasn't the problem yesterday.

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#28 I'm a Scientist!
November 17 2009, 08:33AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

I agree. I think people keep ragging on Moreau because he is an easy target. If we lose, blame him. What they didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that he was out there playing with a lot of heart. Not only that, but he had about 10 seconds of power play and took two shots (one which rang off the crossbar)...which is much better than the rest of our power play unit.

Hemskys goal was a clear indication that we just need to throw pucks in the direction of the net. It is like our team is just always looking for a highlight reel goal instead of a dirty ugly goal...a goal is a goal...

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#29 Ogden Brother
November 17 2009, 08:43AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

I agree. I think people keep ragging on Moreau because he is an easy target. If we lose, blame him. What they didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that he was out there playing with a lot of heart. Not only that, but he had about 10 seconds of power play and took two shots (one which rang off the crossbar)...which is much better than the rest of our power play unit.

Hemskys goal was a clear indication that we just need to throw pucks in the direction of the net. It is like our team is just always looking for a highlight reel goal instead of a dirty ugly goal...a goal is a goal...

Pack mentality. Take a guy that's "overpaid", have him make a few glaring errors and every loss whether he makes errors or not they will be brought up, 193,352 times by the masses.

See:

Moreau's "bad penalties"

Horcoff's "whiffs"

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#30 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 08:45AM
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@I'm a Scientist!

Been saying it all year just throw the puck on net and hope for a rebound or tip or a lucky bounce. Instead we hold onto the puck and end up getting outshot by 10 shots.

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#31 BingBong
November 17 2009, 08:49AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

I agree. I think people keep ragging on Moreau because he is an easy target. If we lose, blame him. What they didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that he was out there playing with a lot of heart. Not only that, but he had about 10 seconds of power play and took two shots (one which rang off the crossbar)...which is much better than the rest of our power play unit.

Hemskys goal was a clear indication that we just need to throw pucks in the direction of the net. It is like our team is just always looking for a highlight reel goal instead of a dirty ugly goal...a goal is a goal...

Couldn't agree more with your last point. Like Quinn said a few games ago: we have one of the best guys in the league in front of the net, use him! Sometimes Penner will put them in, sometimes they'll bounce of his butt, but a goal is a goal. The guy has been a monster all year, and is unmovable in front. Use him. If we just throw/pass the puck towards him all powerplay, they'll go in sooner or later. Once that happens a few times, that'll leave Souray wide open and we'll finally have two legitimate plays on our PP.

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#32 Ender
November 17 2009, 08:49AM
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Shaun Doe wrote:

I think that Quinn should place 4 Reddox's on the ice so that they can join together to assemble mega mega Reddox.

Quote of the night.

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#33 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 08:53AM
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What was with those knobs that kept standing up all the time on the bottom left side of the screen?

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#34 I'm a Scientist!
November 17 2009, 08:58AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Who cares! They were in Oilers jerseys... in Ohio!

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#35 Milli
November 17 2009, 09:01AM
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Reggie wrote:

I think that this season is a repeat of last season for Moreau. He continues to take minor penalties in the offensive zone. Ya, maybe the one he took to put the team down by 2 men was marginal, but when you follow up the trip with two fists to the head, you are going to get called.

In addition, as if costing your team on the PP wasn't bad enough, he comes out of the box and nearly takes the head off a columbus player with a high hit to the head. He was extremely lucky that he didn't end up back in the penalty box.

It is obvious he is frustrated, but he continues to hurt this hockey team. If he can't get it done, he should just call it a career. He's a step behind and whether it is the reduced eye sight from the eye injury or just lost a step, he's become a liability out there.

I don't think that was a marginal call, watch it again. It was nearly identical to the play that sidelined Souray for 17 games, he took his skate out as the dman went into the corner. Dangerous and careless.

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#36 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 09:08AM
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What did Chimera say to the Oilers, because I noticed there were a few guys getting in as many checks as possible on him.

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#38 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 09:16AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:
Well Doug Maclean said it and well look what happened to big guys took on two of our big guys and lost. So in a way he is somewhat right.

Blunden (who fought Stortini) isn't really a scrapper.

He is trying to be one anyways, 3 fights in the preseason 2 this year. Might not be an everyday fighter but that is what Maclean was saying that they are trying to find one. They don't think Boll can do it so they brought in some bigger guys to tryout for that heavyweight spot.

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#39 Jay Money
November 17 2009, 09:30AM
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Why is Moreau still here????Give me a captain that can lead the team on the ice. Would it not benefit the team to have a captain that is one of your best players. Moreau doesn't contribute anything positive on the ice. I could care less what kind of guy he is in the locker room.

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#40 freeze
November 17 2009, 09:41AM
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@Wanye When do we get to declare this season shitanusly bad? Do we have to wait for half mark or Christmas?

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#41 BingBong
November 17 2009, 09:43AM
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And as much as Penner has been a force this year, does anybody else think he's being miscast when Quinn uses him in the shootout? His attempt in Ott was weak, and was weak last night again. He's been great, but there are guys better suited for the shootout IMO. It's probably the one place where Nilsson could contribute for example...

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#42 Dan the Man
November 17 2009, 09:45AM
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Why does everyone think it's such a great idea to just randomly throw more pucks at the net? Isn't that what O'Sullivan has been doing all year and look how well that has worked out for him. Those seeing eye shots that occasionally get through are very low percentage shots.

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#44 Dan the Man
November 17 2009, 09:48AM
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BingBong wrote:

And as much as Penner has been a force this year, does anybody else think he's being miscast when Quinn uses him in the shootout? His attempt in Ott was weak, and was weak last night again. He's been great, but there are guys better suited for the shootout IMO. It's probably the one place where Nilsson could contribute for example...

Nilsson would have to actually crack the line up to take part in the shoot out.

I agree that Penner hasn't exactly been great in the shootouts but he is the teams leading scorer and I'm pretty sure people would be asking why he isn't being used in shootouts if Quinn wasn't using him.

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#45 I'm a Scientist!
November 17 2009, 09:57AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Why does everyone think it's such a great idea to just randomly throw more pucks at the net? Isn't that what O'Sullivan has been doing all year and look how well that has worked out for him. Those seeing eye shots that occasionally get through are very low percentage shots.

err...cause passing pucks around the boards have about as much chance of going in as i have of hooking up with Lindsay Lohan.

How did Calgary (et al.) beat us? They threw pucks at the net and got ugly goals.

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#46 BingBong
November 17 2009, 09:58AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Nilsson would have to actually crack the line up to take part in the shoot out.

I agree that Penner hasn't exactly been great in the shootouts but he is the teams leading scorer and I'm pretty sure people would be asking why he isn't being used in shootouts if Quinn wasn't using him.

I usually like Gagner in the shootout - his moves are sick - but he never seems to score on them. Hemsky and Sully are guys I for sure keep in there - I just don't think Penner is really a "breakaway" kind of guy. More a presence in front of the net with quick hands. Nilsson would be good, but yeah if he's not in the lineup then there's no chance of that. Remember Pisani's shootouts? He'd always score on that little 5-hole move...

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#47 Senator Theo
November 17 2009, 10:02AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Nilsson would have to actually crack the line up to take part in the shoot out.

I agree that Penner hasn't exactly been great in the shootouts but he is the teams leading scorer and I'm pretty sure people would be asking why he isn't being used in shootouts if Quinn wasn't using him.

Before last night he had 2 career attempts, right? I haven't heard anyone asking why he wasn't being used more. Is that right that he's only had 2 attempts?

It used to be easy - Hemmer, Symtty and whoever was having a good night.

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#48 BingBong
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

err...cause passing pucks around the boards have about as much chance of going in as i have of hooking up with Lindsay Lohan.

How did Calgary (et al.) beat us? They threw pucks at the net and got ugly goals.

I might be wrong, but I seem to remember half of Calgary's goals against us were deflections from point shots. I wouldn't even classify those as "ugly" goals - deflections are tough to master. But it seems like they practice them at least a bit. The Oilers however can't even get away a clear point shot let alone tip it in. The way to score on these ginormous goalies nowadays are on screens/deflections. That's why Penner's presence in front of the net on PP's is a goldmine, yet we don't seem to want to use him.

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#49 Senator Theo
November 17 2009, 10:05AM
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OilerLoverFlameoutHater wrote:

Sorry for the long post. But I found it a very good read and needed to share it and don't know how to post links lol. Looking forward to watching it though

You don't know how to post links? Fist of all, there's a link at the bottom of your story - you could use the same method you used to get that in there! ;)

In all seriousness, you can just type in the URL or use copy/paste.

like this: http://www.oilersnation.com

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#50 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 17 2009, 10:07AM
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BingBong wrote:

I might be wrong, but I seem to remember half of Calgary's goals against us were deflections from point shots. I wouldn't even classify those as "ugly" goals - deflections are tough to master. But it seems like they practice them at least a bit. The Oilers however can't even get away a clear point shot let alone tip it in. The way to score on these ginormous goalies nowadays are on screens/deflections. That's why Penner's presence in front of the net on PP's is a goldmine, yet we don't seem to want to use him.

The announcers even said that Phaneuf spent time shooting the puck off the boards to see how the banks were, why don't we do this stuff?

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