Armchair GM VI: No news is bad news

Robin Brownlee
November 17 2009 03:18PM

With the Edmonton Oilers back home for five straight games at Rexall Place and slowly returning to health, an optimist might suggest there appears to be some light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately for Pat Quinn's outfit, it's probably a train.

Back from Columbus after dropping a 3-2 shootout decision to the Blue Jackets Monday, the Oilers could use some home cooking as they try to put the brakes on a four-game losing streak after getting four of a possible 10 points from a five-game road swing.

The problem for the Oil, now sitting in 12th place in the Western Conference at 8-10-3, is that this homestand, and three road games that come after it, will be against teams higher than them in the standings.

The Oilers open the stand Wednesday against the Colorado Avalanche, who have to be sour about getting clipped by Edmonton 5-3 Oct. 8 in Denver to open the last swing. Then, it's Chicago, Phoenix, Los Angeles and San Jose.

After that, it's six straight on the road, with the first three in Vancouver, Detroit and Dallas before stops in Florida, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

Anybody see the Oilers getting more than, what, eight points from those next eight games?

Do it now

I'm baffled why GM Steve Tambellini has yet to make a personnel move to address two glaring and connected needs that date back to last season -- a defensive centre who can win face-offs and kill penalties.

While I get it that Tambellini hasn't had a full roster to assess because of injuries and illness, the players he's been without to this point aren't going to address the issues even when they return, so I don't understand what he's waiting for. More time to assess, perhaps.

Unless I'm mistaken, and I'm not, the Oilers weren't good enough on the dot last season, when they finished ranked 25th at 47.9 per cent. Anybody with two eyes and half-a-brain could see it, no?

Chasing me-first guy Dany Heatley this off-season made for great intrigue and inking Mike Comrie in what seemed an unlikely return made for a good kiss-and-make-up story, but neither pursuit addressed the need.

Same old same old

Twenty-one games into this season, the Oilers are ranked 29th in the NHL in face-offs at 46.1 per cent. Apparently, Tambellini thinks he's good enough down the middle with Shawn Horcoff (50.0 per cent), Sam Gagner (46.4), Andrew Cogliano (40.3) and Gilbert Brule (52.0).

Or maybe Dustin Penner (42.6), who has been taking a lot of draws to minimize wear and tear on Horcoff's shoulder, is the answer. I think not.

If Manny Malhotra or Blair Betts weren't perceived as the answer over the summer -- Malhotra was asking for way too much money and the Oilers were only lukewarm on Betts -- fine. But what about now?

Finding another centre more proficient at winning face-offs isn't going to solve all that ails the Oilers, the penalty killing being high on that list, but failure to address the need is going to be a costly blind spot for Tambellini.

By the numbers

With special teams, the good news is the power play has looked better despite playing most of the season without Sheldon Souray. The bad news, as I mentioned earlier, is that the penalty killing again stinks worse than a minivan full of carnival workers in mid-July.

-- With two goals on the power play in Columbus, the Oilers are 19-for-86 for 22.1 per cent, leaving them 11th going into play Tuesday. In 2008-09, the Oilers finished 22nd on the power play at 17 per cent.

-- The penalty killing, which most thought would be considerably better this season, is operating at almost the same dismal clip as it did a year ago, when a 77.5 per cent success rate left the Oilers ranked 27th. They're at 77.6 per cent right now, leaving them 24th.

-- Even with four straight losses, the Oilers aren't far off last season's pace after 21 games. In 2008-09 they were 9-10-2 for 20 points. They're sitting at 19 points as the Avalanche come calling.

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#51 DonDon
November 17 2009, 10:02PM
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@Petr's Jofa

And by the 2012-13 season Tambellini won't be easily found anywhere; at least not in the Oiler organization. In the meantime, the team will die in Purgatory (11-12th place in the Western Conference, again and again).

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#52 BarryS
November 17 2009, 10:21PM
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@Robin Brownlee

The problem with hindsight, while it may be twenty twenty, the lenses you look through to see it are usually made of self-delusion. As I said in a previous post, could'a, should'a, and would'a are nags that can't win this race.

If tambo can pull a trade that actually helps us with what we have to trade, then I know a GM willing to buy my formula for turning lead to gold.

We signed what, 6 million or so towards this years cap, two new players. No team seemed willing to buy up any of the free agents we had available before we signed them.

Seems me it have been mentioned before any to the lessor faceoff winning forwards either wanted more money or wanted to stay in the east.

It is easy to say someone should do something, it is another to be able to actually be able to do it. Given there are no rumours of coaches, GM's, and teams in more than usual trouble, don't see any trades being possible other than the sort of trades equivalent to trading gold bars for rusty iron.

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#53 BarryS
November 17 2009, 10:24PM
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@AlbertaRanger

Thank you, Kevin Lowe!

Another hindsight self deluded person. Please submit previous posts lamenting the signings of these players from the dates when they were signed. Sometimes the smell of hypocracy on this site is gagging.

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#54 Woody
November 17 2009, 10:29PM
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@Wanye

Wanye (or Bingofuel, JS, anybody else at ON with pull...):

When will the new Nation Gear be available for public consumption?

Christmas is a little over a month a month away and my list is short:

1- AN OILERS NATION T-SHIRT

a distant second is

2- Barcelo Imperial Rum

So, on the shelves in time for St. Nick?

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#56 lenny
November 17 2009, 10:46PM
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I was in Columbus at the game. Took my 2 boys to see first Oilers live game. It was terrible. Boys olmost cried. We knew Columbus was going to tie the game and they did. Penner lost the puck during shoot out!!! Stupid penalties by the capitan!!!! Hemsky is not himself. Dissapointment!!!!!

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#57 Ogden Brother
November 17 2009, 10:53PM
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Why are people still giving Tambo a pass on this issue (and trying to blame it on Lowe)

The whole should have been filled in the summer when their were players available and (more then) enough cap space to fill it.

Other then the 1st line scorer (which is/was obviously a very hard hole to fill) the major needs of this tema are/were relatively cheap to fill.

The cap is not the issue people.

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#59 Eddie Shore
November 17 2009, 10:58PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Penner and Cogliano? Are you nuts? You think a quality third-line centre who can win face-offs costs $5 million?

Paul Gaustad (68.2) makes $2.5 million this season with the following two seasons also at $2.5 million. David Steckel (62.3) makes $725,000 and needs a new contract. Rich Peverly (59.6) makes $500,000 with raise to $1.3 million in the next two seasons.

There are 10 more guys, at least, who are better than anybody the Oilers have now and don't cost anywhere near $5 million.

So what's the problem? How are one of the "10" not a part of our organization yet?

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#60 sizzler
November 17 2009, 11:01PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Penner and Cogliano? Are you nuts? You think a quality third-line centre who can win face-offs costs $5 million?

Paul Gaustad (68.2) makes $2.5 million this season with the following two seasons also at $2.5 million. David Steckel (62.3) makes $725,000 and needs a new contract. Rich Peverly (59.6) makes $500,000 with raise to $1.3 million in the next two seasons.

There are 10 more guys, at least, who are better than anybody the Oilers have now and don't cost anywhere near $5 million.

"Penner and Cogliano? Are you nuts? You think a quality third-line centre who can win face-offs costs $5 million?"

Hey robin have you check horcoff's contract

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#61 AlbertaRanger
November 17 2009, 11:12PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Penner and Cogliano? Are you nuts? You think a quality third-line centre who can win face-offs costs $5 million?

Paul Gaustad (68.2) makes $2.5 million this season with the following two seasons also at $2.5 million. David Steckel (62.3) makes $725,000 and needs a new contract. Rich Peverly (59.6) makes $500,000 with raise to $1.3 million in the next two seasons.

There are 10 more guys, at least, who are better than anybody the Oilers have now and don't cost anywhere near $5 million.

No, I'm not nuts. I just had some rum.

Robin, you have to admit, getting players like Gaustad would be a challenge with this team. If this team didn't have all of the injuries right now, they would be well over the cap. Unloading would be the only answer, but I won't exaggerate by saying Cogs or Penner this time. **My face is red.**

What I would like to know is who (and how many) do you get rid of for a player like that to make the whole cap thing work? Maybe I don't understand this whole cap situation as well as I should.

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#62 Travis Dakin
November 17 2009, 11:14PM
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sizzler wrote:

"Penner and Cogliano? Are you nuts? You think a quality third-line centre who can win face-offs costs $5 million?"

Hey robin have you check horcoff's contract

Ok, that was actually pretty funny.

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#63 AlbertaRanger
November 17 2009, 11:31PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Hindsight has nothing to do with this. Anybody with a clue has known the Oilers have needed another centre who can win face-offs since Stoll and Reasoner left.

Tambellini's priorities, for some reason, have been elsewhere and it's been a huge mistake and something I've been harping on for over a year, so spare me the hindsight suggestion.

The Oilers have plenty of assets with which to acquire a third-line centre. Tom Gilbert gets you that guy. Denis Grebeshkov, before he got injured, gets you that guy. So does Laddy Smid, although I wouldn't move him now.

And whatever you're on about with coulda and should means nothing. Not making the right move until now doesn't preclude Tambellini from doing it now -- you're spouting platitudes that don't make a lot of sense.

Sorry, Robin. I just read this comment after I posted my last comment. When I asked who you get rid of to make a deal, this sort of answers it.

But with how bad this team is defensively, why would you get rid of blueliners to get a defensive forward?

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#64 TDSM31
November 17 2009, 11:36PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Hindsight has nothing to do with this. Anybody with a clue has known the Oilers have needed another centre who can win face-offs since Stoll and Reasoner left.

Tambellini's priorities, for some reason, have been elsewhere and it's been a huge mistake and something I've been harping on for over a year, so spare me the hindsight suggestion.

The Oilers have plenty of assets with which to acquire a third-line centre. Tom Gilbert gets you that guy. Denis Grebeshkov, before he got injured, gets you that guy. So does Laddy Smid, although I wouldn't move him now.

And whatever you're on about with coulda and should means nothing. Not making the right move until now doesn't preclude Tambellini from doing it now -- you're spouting platitudes that don't make a lot of sense.

Tom Gilbert??!! What GM in their right mind would trade for his contract with the way he's playing. His game has zero intensity, he's prone to coughing up the puck when pressured and he is bringing little offensive upside. Tom Gilbert gets you nothing right now.

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#65 Evan
November 17 2009, 11:41PM
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Probably should have drafted Getzlaf instead of Pouliout.

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#66 VK63
November 18 2009, 12:05AM
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Evan wrote:

Probably should have drafted Getzlaf instead of Pouliout.

probably

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#67 OilCountryEast
November 18 2009, 06:48AM
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@Robin Brownlee

"...unclean people smelling of ass with narrow-set eyes, tiny little hands and that pasty white stuff in the corners of their mouth make me uncomfortable" You and Austin Powers. Credit where it's due, you know.

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#68 Robin Brownlee
November 18 2009, 07:20AM
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TDSM31 wrote:

Tom Gilbert??!! What GM in their right mind would trade for his contract with the way he's playing. His game has zero intensity, he's prone to coughing up the puck when pressured and he is bringing little offensive upside. Tom Gilbert gets you nothing right now.

Wrong. While I've gone on the record repeatedly as having no great use for him because I don't like soft players, Gilbert's track record until this season has been fine and he had 45 points last season. That carries more weight than a bad 21 games.

Had you offered him around last summer you'd get more than that third line centre. There's a GM who'd think he was getting him at a discount right now -- and that third-liner is not too high a price to pay.

Offensive upside? You mean offensive production here and now. Gilbert has already shown "upside" (even if I think it was a one-shot deal). How many D-men in the NHL had 45 points last season?

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#69 Librarian Mike
November 18 2009, 07:24AM
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Evan wrote:

Probably should have drafted Getzlaf instead of Pouliout.

Jeanshorts: I think we have our quote of the week right here.

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#70 Robin Brownlee
November 18 2009, 07:45AM
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Evan wrote:

Probably should have drafted Getzlaf instead of Pouliout.

Or Kesler Or Richards Or Perry Or Eriksson Or Weber Or Bergeron

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#71 Travis Dakin
November 18 2009, 08:12AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Or Kesler Or Richards Or Perry Or Eriksson Or Weber Or Bergeron

How about keep that damn 17 pick and take Parise.... I don't care if it's hind sight! FML

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#72 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 08:38AM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

No, I'm not nuts. I just had some rum.

Robin, you have to admit, getting players like Gaustad would be a challenge with this team. If this team didn't have all of the injuries right now, they would be well over the cap. Unloading would be the only answer, but I won't exaggerate by saying Cogs or Penner this time. **My face is red.**

What I would like to know is who (and how many) do you get rid of for a player like that to make the whole cap thing work? Maybe I don't understand this whole cap situation as well as I should.

You replace your 1 and 2 million dollar fringe NHL'ers with 500K fring NHL'ers.

Why is this so hard to understand?

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#73 Jonathan Willis
November 18 2009, 08:40AM
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For everyone arguing that the Oilers don't have the cap space to add a checker, I have a simple, simple solution.

Robert Nilsson. Waivers.

Tell him he's bound for the AHL unless he goes back to Sweden, just like what the Lightning did to Radim Vrbata last year.

That's 2MM right there.

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#74 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 18 2009, 08:40AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

It's not "kinda hard" at all. Seven teams below them in the standings and they don't get any of them in a stretch of eight games.

Fact is, with any help from the schedule-maker, the Oilers could have caught a home-and-home with one of the teams below them in the conference and single or two against one of the other six teams. But that wasn't going to stop you from contributing, was it?

And Randy Jones wouldn't have helped.

Long term no, but isn't he a better d-man then Chorney, Peckham, Strudwick or Arsene?

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#75 AlbertaRanger
November 18 2009, 08:48AM
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@Ogden Brother

That's an easy answer that you made, but you also need to deal with a team that has the cap space and who would want guys like Nilsson who is signed $2 million or Greebs at $3 million or a healthy Pisani at $2.5 million? Again, thank you Kevin Lowe and Tambo.

**Please, no hindsight talk again. It's like looking into a used toilet over and over again. When you make a decision, you are responsible for that decision.**

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#76 Jonathan Willis
November 18 2009, 08:50AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Offensive upside? You mean offensive production here and now. Gilbert has already shown "upside" (even if I think it was a one-shot deal). How many D-men in the NHL had 45 points last season?

I'll field that, Robin (although it was probably rhetorical). Last year, Gilbert's 45 points ranked him 16th in the NHL. In 2007-08, his 33 points ranked 32nd.

But, you ask, given that Gilbert's generally stuck behind Souray, Visnovsky, and occasionally Grebeshkov on the powerplay pecking order, where do his even-strength points place him?

T-6th in 2008-09. T-17th in 2007-08.

I know there's a habit among Oilers fans of knocking whichever player is out of style at this particular moment, but suggesting that Tom Gilbert is anything less than a highly capable offensive defenceman shows a total lack of comprehension as to how many players there are out there with his skillset.

Yes, he's off to a slow start.

He's also 26 years old, 6'3", a great shot-blocker and one of the league's thirty-best offensive defencemen.

In a trade, he easily brings in a third-line centre.

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#77 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 08:55AM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

That's an easy answer that you made, but you also need to deal with a team that has the cap space and who would want guys like Nilsson who is signed $2 million or Greebs at $3 million or a healthy Pisani at $2.5 million? Again, thank you Kevin Lowe and Tambo.

**Please, no hindsight talk again. It's like looking into a used toilet over and over again. When you make a decision, you are responsible for that decision.**

Waivers

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#78 Jonathan Willis
November 18 2009, 08:56AM
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@AlbertaRanger

That's an easy answer that you made, but you also need to deal with a team that has the cap space and who would want guys like Nilsson who is signed $2 million or Greebs at $3 million or a healthy Pisani at $2.5 million? Again, thank you Kevin Lowe and Tambo.

Grebeshkov doesn't come close to belonging on that list.

This post does a very good job of explaining what Grebeshkov is worth.

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#79 AlbertaRanger
November 18 2009, 08:57AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

For everyone arguing that the Oilers don't have the cap space to add a checker, I have a simple, simple solution.

Robert Nilsson. Waivers.

Tell him he's bound for the AHL unless he goes back to Sweden, just like what the Lightning did to Radim Vrbata last year.

That's 2MM right there.

Bingo was his name-o!

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#80 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 18 2009, 09:02AM
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AlbertaRanger wrote:

That's an easy answer that you made, but you also need to deal with a team that has the cap space and who would want guys like Nilsson who is signed $2 million or Greebs at $3 million or a healthy Pisani at $2.5 million? Again, thank you Kevin Lowe and Tambo.

**Please, no hindsight talk again. It's like looking into a used toilet over and over again. When you make a decision, you are responsible for that decision.**

I'd say Pisani is the only real bad contract. Nilsson wasn't that bad he just quite playing, but if he would've continued to put up similar numbers 2mil wouldn't be bad for a 40 point player. Grebs at 3mil wasn't bad at all. Remember Grebs was coming off a 40 point campagin and his defensive game was coming around, where it went this year is beyond me.

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#81 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 09:03AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Robin Brownlee wrote:

Offensive upside? You mean offensive production here and now. Gilbert has already shown "upside" (even if I think it was a one-shot deal). How many D-men in the NHL had 45 points last season?

I'll field that, Robin (although it was probably rhetorical). Last year, Gilbert's 45 points ranked him 16th in the NHL. In 2007-08, his 33 points ranked 32nd.

But, you ask, given that Gilbert's generally stuck behind Souray, Visnovsky, and occasionally Grebeshkov on the powerplay pecking order, where do his even-strength points place him?

T-6th in 2008-09. T-17th in 2007-08.

I know there's a habit among Oilers fans of knocking whichever player is out of style at this particular moment, but suggesting that Tom Gilbert is anything less than a highly capable offensive defenceman shows a total lack of comprehension as to how many players there are out there with his skillset.

Yes, he's off to a slow start.

He's also 26 years old, 6'3", a great shot-blocker and one of the league's thirty-best offensive defencemen.

In a trade, he easily brings in a third-line centre.

I'm starting to think we (oiler fans) are reallly starting to overate the 3rd line center spot. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I doubt theirs many 3rd line centers that have brought back dmen with Gilberts offensive track record.

Unless we are getting a Mike Peca in his prime, Gilbert or Grebs for a 3rd line center is a huge overpay.

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#82 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 18 2009, 09:07AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Robin Brownlee wrote:

Offensive upside? You mean offensive production here and now. Gilbert has already shown "upside" (even if I think it was a one-shot deal). How many D-men in the NHL had 45 points last season?

I'll field that, Robin (although it was probably rhetorical). Last year, Gilbert's 45 points ranked him 16th in the NHL. In 2007-08, his 33 points ranked 32nd.

But, you ask, given that Gilbert's generally stuck behind Souray, Visnovsky, and occasionally Grebeshkov on the powerplay pecking order, where do his even-strength points place him?

T-6th in 2008-09. T-17th in 2007-08.

I know there's a habit among Oilers fans of knocking whichever player is out of style at this particular moment, but suggesting that Tom Gilbert is anything less than a highly capable offensive defenceman shows a total lack of comprehension as to how many players there are out there with his skillset.

Yes, he's off to a slow start.

He's also 26 years old, 6'3", a great shot-blocker and one of the league's thirty-best offensive defencemen.

In a trade, he easily brings in a third-line centre.

I still think Gilbert is overpaid, but I agree that being stuck behind Souray and Lubo probably hampers his numbers.

I don't trade him for a third line center either. What good is it moving a d-man for another forward? I just can't see Gilbert being worth that little.

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#83 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 18 2009, 09:11AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

I'm starting to think we (oiler fans) are reallly starting to overate the 3rd line center spot. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I doubt theirs many 3rd line centers that have brought back dmen with Gilberts offensive track record.

Unless we are getting a Mike Peca in his prime, Gilbert or Grebs for a 3rd line center is a huge overpay.

Considering there were how many of them via free agency this year and so few offensive d-men I'd have to agree. How many times have we heard teams are looking for an offensive d-men? Compare that to how many teams are looking for a 3rd line centerman?

Also do we need a third line center men? Could we not go with Horcoff, Gagner and Brule in the top 3 and then bring in a 4th line centerman?

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#84 Jonathan Willis
November 18 2009, 09:20AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Also do we need a third line center men? Could we not go with Horcoff, Gagner and Brule in the top 3 and then bring in a 4th line centerman?

Outside of Horcoff, who can play against tough players on a regular basis? Particularly given that Quinn likes to roll his lines? Brule/Gagner aren't quite ready for that yet (IMO) and would benefit from having a Marty Reasoner-type player out there, especially for defensive zone draws.

BTW, completely agree that Gilbert or Grebeshkov > Reasoner-type player.

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#85 Robin Brownlee
November 18 2009, 09:21AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Considering there were how many of them via free agency this year and so few offensive d-men I'd have to agree. How many times have we heard teams are looking for an offensive d-men? Compare that to how many teams are looking for a 3rd line centerman?

Also do we need a third line center men? Could we not go with Horcoff, Gagner and Brule in the top 3 and then bring in a 4th line centerman?

Call him whatever you want -- third line, fourth line, whatever -- bring in a centre with a track record of winning face-offs at a clip over 50 per cent and the ability to kill penalties. Don't get tripped up splitting hairs, here.

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#86 steeves
November 18 2009, 09:22AM
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the oilers have been paying for the cup run in 06 for the last three years. Bad contract extensions and unrealistic expectations for veterans and rookies have screwed this team three years in a row, and I won't even talk about the scouting and drafting. How prendergast still has a job is beyond me. I could go on and pick the team apart, but I won't. I've been "loyal to oil" for 15 years, but I've had it. The oilers are, and will be for a long time, a sub 500 team that makes things interesting the last 15 games of the season. I'm tired of speding my time and money, and getting disapointed all the time. The rest of my season seats are for sale on kijiji as of this morning. Oilers home end, face off dot on the penalty box side, row 30, two seats side by side.

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#87 Zamboni Driver
November 18 2009, 09:23AM
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Call me the eternal pessimist if you like but...

Look at the roster of this team. Even healthy....

Seriously, it's a collection of pluggers, a couple of pretty good players, one guy who is having a year that I must admit I didn't think in a million years he could have...and a 'star' who seems to me really doesn't particularly like this "hockey" nonsense.

My concern I would express, Robin re: Tambellini (sorry kids, General Managers do NOT get ridiculous hockey nicknames) - exactly what IS his plan?! He really doesn't seem to have one...

Yes, he's handcuffed by Mr. 7 million, 2 million for Nilsson, etc....but lord when your only answer is

Mike Comrie

it's not a real smart question to begin with.

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#88 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 09:25AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Considering there were how many of them via free agency this year and so few offensive d-men I'd have to agree. How many times have we heard teams are looking for an offensive d-men? Compare that to how many teams are looking for a 3rd line centerman?

Also do we need a third line center men? Could we not go with Horcoff, Gagner and Brule in the top 3 and then bring in a 4th line centerman?

Gilbert has to be worth roughly what Pitkanen is/was - a 20 - 30 goal scoring second line winger.

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#89 Doc
November 18 2009, 09:27AM
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Why would a deal ever take place? Can anyone pick out an Oiler that another team would want in a trade; I can't. They have these types of players on their lower lines and in their minor system. I would accept a couple more years of losing for a complete makeover.

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#90 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 09:27AM
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Call him whatever you want -- third line, fourth line, whatever -- bring in a centre with a track record of winning face-offs at a clip over 50 per cent and the ability to kill penalties. Don't get tripped up splitting hairs, here.

I guess the main difference would be: A 4th line center should cost alot less then a 3rd line center (trade wise).

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#91 Ogden Brother
November 18 2009, 09:30AM
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Doc wrote:

Why would a deal ever take place? Can anyone pick out an Oiler that another team would want in a trade; I can't. They have these types of players on their lower lines and in their minor system. I would accept a couple more years of losing for a complete makeover.

*Palms face*

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#92 Jonathan Willis
November 18 2009, 09:35AM
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Doc wrote:

Why would a deal ever take place? Can anyone pick out an Oiler that another team would want in a trade; I can't. They have these types of players on their lower lines and in their minor system. I would accept a couple more years of losing for a complete makeover.

Show me a team with Ales Hemsky & Dustin Penner in their bottom-six/minor-league system and I'll show you a general manager who deserves to be hung by the neck until dead.

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#93 Crust
November 18 2009, 09:39AM
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Patience, Patience, Tambo is just waiting to see what decision Jagr is going to make next year. I've heard he will make up his mind by July 23, 2010. :>)

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#94 Dyckster
November 18 2009, 09:39AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Show me a team with Ales Hemsky & Dustin Penner in their bottom-six/minor-league system and I'll show you a general manager who deserves to be hung by the neck until dead.

*Palms neck*

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#95 oilerman53
November 18 2009, 09:48AM
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This team on most nights lacks intensity, there is no one out there say for Moreau who would rather watch the game from the penalty box giving it out there. I kept saying all along that this team needs a been there done it all leader who knows what it takes to win. We haven't had that since Ryan Smyth wouldn't take $100,000 dollars less to stay in town. Gilbert on bad days is still an offensive defenseman, which is something not a lot of teams have an will give up some goods to get. Gilbert right now isn't worth too, too much and would rather see Grebeshkov outta here but given the circumstances.

I just look at this team this way, no one here knows how to give a frickin sixty minute effort. Too many floaters and not enough sandpaper, at the start of the year it was great with Ryan Stone going out there and mashing people. We were winning games and I was able to wear my Oilers gear with pride. Simple solutions, trade one of our many offensive dman and get a faceoff winning center and then go out and get someone who knows how to win.

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This team on most nights lacks intensity, there is no one out there say for Moreau who would rather watch the game from the penalty box giving it out there. I kept saying all along that this team needs a been there done it all leader who knows what it takes to win. We haven't had that since Ryan Smyth wouldn't take $100,000 dollars less to stay in town. Gilbert on bad days is still an offensive defenseman, which is something not a lot of teams have an will give up some goods to get. Gilbert right now isn't worth too, too much and would rather see Grebeshkov outta here but given the circumstances.

I just look at this team this way, no one here knows how to give a frickin sixty minute effort. Too many floaters and not enough sandpaper, at the start of the year it was great with Ryan Stone going out there and mashing people. We were winning games and I was able to wear my Oilers gear with pride. Simple solutions, trade one of our many offensive dman and get a faceoff winning center and then go out and get someone who knows how to win.

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#97 Oilfan
November 18 2009, 09:51AM
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Why would players not want to play in Edmonton. Horcoff is making 7 million. Just imagine if he was able to produce points, he would be making 12 million in K Lowe's book. K Lowe has screwed this team up for years. As long as Eathan Moron keeps taking penaltys and we have Kevin Lowe in the organization we are in big poop!

Some one please tell me if any other team has a fourth line ( at best ) Captain ?

Gilbert for a puck bag would be a steal for the Oilers. Gilbert's game is horrible and hard to watch. I think a change would be nice for him and better for us.

I would trade Moreau and Gilbert first. Nillson would be next since he doesnt make as much.

Still going to cheer my boys. But getting tired of the same results year after year.

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#98 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 18 2009, 09:56AM
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@Oilfan

Chris Clark is the captain of the Capitals outside of him I'm not sure.

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#99 roughneck
November 18 2009, 10:02AM
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@steeves

good riddance

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#100 Jonathan Willis
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@oilerman53

It's not leadership.

It's talent. This roster has a bunch of holes in it that have been obvious since well before the season started.

We can talk about intensity and effort all we want, but the fact is that talent's where it starts and this team doesn't have enough of it.

Please note: by talent, I mean actual, full-ice hockey talent, not 'soft hands'. Nilsson (and a bunch like him) has lots of the latter, less of the former.

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