Oilers Vs. Islanders Post Game: Brendan Witt, Offensive Dynamo

Jonathan Willis
November 02 2009 08:53PM

New York Islanders: 3

Edmonton Oilers: 1

Once again, the Oilers have struggled to put the puck in the net, with the only goal coming courtesy of an Ethan Moreau centring pass which bounced in off Radek Martinek's skate.

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me

1. Ales Hemsky.  The play-by-play crew kept talking about Hemsky having the puck on a string, and they weren't kidding.  He looked great tonight, even though it didn't result in a goal.

2. Nikolai Khabibulin.  The score was close, but the Islanders had a bunch of Grade 'A' scoring opportunities and Khabibulin was sharp.  Two of the three goals against were of the flukey variety.

3. Lubomir Visnovsky.  I noticed one brutal giveaway but aside from that Visnovsky had an active stick and an intelligent game.  He's more poised with the puck than anyone else on the team, with the possible exception of Hemsky.

Random Thoughts

  • I’m not going to pick on J-F Jacques for going after Andy Sutton, but the level of praise from the play-by-play crew surprised me. Sutton’s hit on Gilbert was clean, and despite the commentators’ words it wasn’t a case of Gilbert having his head down (he was guided into the check) and I’m not a fan of every clean check being avenged by a fight. In this case, I have to wonder if ‘sending a message’ is worth the two-minute minor and the ten-minute misconduct.
  • Was Horcoff hurt to finish the third?  After taking a hard hit from Sutton (who only got more physical after the fight with Jacques) I didn't see him much outside of one penalty-killing shift, and Gagner moved up to the top line.
  • Goal aside, the fourth line's been pretty rough and that continued tonight, particularly in their own end.  There are three useful players on that line, but none of them look particularly good as a unit so far.
  • It's nice to see Fernando Pisani back, and interesting to see him lineup with Gilbert Brule and Patrick O'Sullivan.  That may be a secondary shut-down trio for the Oilers if Quinn sticks with that trio.  He's been using Brule in that role (and defensive zone faceoffs) and he's handled it well so far.
  • Awkward segue of the night: "speaking of legs... Horcoff and Hemsky." 
  • It was also great to hear that Steve Staios was practicing again.  I've been critical of Staios in the past, but he's more of an NHL defenceman than Chorney and Peckham right now, and I think it's probably best to get those guys back facing AHL competition for a bit.
  • Brendan Witt scores two after not scoring in 93 games.  One more would have been an incredibly unlikely hattrick.
  • Tonight's effort marks six games without a regulation win, and the shootout victory over Detroit is the only one of those games where the Oilers managed more than two goals.
  • It's tough to blame the powerplay tonight; the Islanders had four opportunities and the Oilers had none.
  • Finally, speaking as a guy with Sam Gagner on his fantasy team, I hope Pat Quinn abandons this kid line reunion thing he's tried the last few games.  They got some shifts together again tonight and didn't look good, and were on the ice for the Islanders' third goal.  Nilsson's got to be press-box bound as soon as Mike Comrie's healthy; those fancy no-look passes just haven't been doing any good defensively or offensively.
  • Grebeshkov and Chorney were on for all three goals against.  After the game, Quinn christened them "fumbledee and fumbledum".
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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 MattL
November 03 2009, 09:23AM
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Hatecoff wrote:

its me snitches.............

i hope horcoff is hurt and hurt for a while

then we can really see what our talented young core can do without him stealing ice time and pooping on lines he gets put on

please be hurt horcoff please even if youre faking because you heard you might be traded please be hurt please

Wow, you are pathetic. You know Horcoff is an actual person, right? Like, a real human being? Get out of the basement, loser. Find a hobby. Stop wishing ill will to people you've never met that are trying hard to entertain you.

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#52 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 09:23AM
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Ccubed82 wrote:

I was thinking of the Moreau goal off the Isles D man's skate. If it were not for that bounce we would have been shut out... again. thats the worst being shut out

Getting shutout is horrible. 8 goals in 6 games is ugly, our offense has dried up bigtime.

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#53 roughneck
November 03 2009, 09:38AM
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quinns really good at bitching out the refs huh?

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#54 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 09:48AM
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@roughneck

Good. Maybe they'll think twice before brutal calls like last night's goaltender interference.

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#55 Jasmine
November 03 2009, 09:52AM
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Is there any word this morning if Horcoff is injured and how serous.

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#56 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 10:10AM
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With Horcoff out, maybe we should try to convince the NHL to have possessions to start plays, like in basketball. This would prevent us from having to take faceoffs.

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#57 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 10:14AM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

With Horcoff out, maybe we should try to convince the NHL to have possessions to start plays, like in basketball. This would prevent us from having to take faceoffs.

One of our AHL dmen would just dump it around the boards and give it up anyway, I'll take the 40% shot we have of winning the draw over the 90% chance that we give it away with a bad pass.

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#58 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 10:20AM
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@Hemmercules

Haha. True enough. Or, Nilsson would carry it up to centre and drop-pass it to the opposition.

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#59 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 10:21AM
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Strudwick had a real beauty last night. There wasn't an Islander within 100 feet of him and he goes for the stretch pass within about 2 seconds of it hitting his tape.

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#60 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 10:25AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Strudwick had a real beauty last night. There wasn't an Islander within 100 feet of him and he goes for the stretch pass within about 2 seconds of it hitting his tape.

What about Moreau in the third, catches a pass in our zone, not an Islander in sight and he backhand flips it into the neutral zone. Half our team wants to get rid of the puck so bad its no wonder we cant land a pass. Grebs, Nilson and Gagner attempt way too many no lookers too that often end up in our net.

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#61 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 10:27AM
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Speaking of Grebs, great goat pick Wanye. He's coming through bigtime for you so far.

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#62 Rogue
November 03 2009, 10:52AM
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Heres a true story from my wife. She walked into her bosses office a couple of weeks ago, in the cold snap, and there is a guy sitting in the office wearing clogs and shorts. She says hi and so does the guy. Then he says "Dont you know who I am?" She says "No, should I" Guy gets a little upset and says, "I'm Shawn Horcoff of the Oilers" Now my wife works in a male oriented enviroment and most her hockey knowledge is through osmosis, so she does know what is going on with the oil. She puts her papers on the desk and turns to walk out of the office. She said to him, and I qoute,"Thats nice, but if I were you I wouldn't be telling anybody who I was" His face turned a shade or two.

Later, in retrospect, she was not happy about what she said, put what really put her off was his arrogance. That pissed her off.

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#63 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 11:01AM
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Rogue wrote:

Heres a true story from my wife. She walked into her bosses office a couple of weeks ago, in the cold snap, and there is a guy sitting in the office wearing clogs and shorts. She says hi and so does the guy. Then he says "Dont you know who I am?" She says "No, should I" Guy gets a little upset and says, "I'm Shawn Horcoff of the Oilers" Now my wife works in a male oriented enviroment and most her hockey knowledge is through osmosis, so she does know what is going on with the oil. She puts her papers on the desk and turns to walk out of the office. She said to him, and I qoute,"Thats nice, but if I were you I wouldn't be telling anybody who I was" His face turned a shade or two.

Later, in retrospect, she was not happy about what she said, put what really put her off was his arrogance. That pissed her off.

Just what we all needed after last night, a story about Horc being an a**hole. As if we haven't been dragging him through the ringer enough already. Is it at all possible Horc was having a bad day??? I never know if I should believe these stories anymore.

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#64 Rogue
November 03 2009, 11:04AM
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Right now, this team is playing with very tight sphincters. The puck is a grenade. This team is also suppose to be fast and quick, yet they seem to be continually outskated and outhustled. We have a very fragile team who, among otherthings. Souray and Staios meaning to this team, in my opinion, is becoming obvious. We miss or lack vetern leadership, or guys that are willing to grab people by the throat and get every ones attention.

Or maybe this team is the same team that we have seen for the last 15 years....who knows.

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#65 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 11:11AM
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@Hemmercules

You could always relax and climb a tree stand, enjoy nature and harvest an animal.

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#66 BarryS
November 03 2009, 11:17AM
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lenny wrote:

I am still waiting for K. Lowe and his friend Tambo to make a good trade, any trade to show the players that they shoul not be to comfy and iprove the team. Well I guess they couldn't do it before so why start now.

Just finished upgrading my pool teams, damn, does week to week sound like season to you? OV was my best player. It is hard enough making changes when you have only imaginary cap numbers to consider and not other GM's besides. It takes two, or in some cases two committess to make a trade. Tambo can't make trades if no one in the league is prepared to get serious yet.

You seem to think making trades is like kissing your grandmother, always available. Actually its like trying to kiss hot chicks at the bar, not as likely to happen as you getting thrown out for trying.

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#67 BarryS
November 03 2009, 11:21AM
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Hatecoff wrote:

its me snitches.............

i hope horcoff is hurt and hurt for a while

then we can really see what our talented young core can do without him stealing ice time and pooping on lines he gets put on

please be hurt horcoff please even if youre faking because you heard you might be traded please be hurt please

Seems to me posters with so little imagination as to have hate in their avatars should be edited out of existence. Hate is the most simple of emotions and should be hidden away as much as possible.

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#68 BarryS
November 03 2009, 11:25AM
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Would like to finally see a couple games with the actual starting lineup so we could see who fits where. At least this week we should get a couple actual days of practice. it is clear this teams needs reinforcement of what they are supposed to be doing. Seems to me this short training camp, practice time wise, is coming back to bite us. I know, I know, practice time doesn't bring in any money but it sure improves teams. Look at the week off Calgary and Vancouver had, they came out better teams than they went in.

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#69 Dan the Man
November 03 2009, 11:26AM
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Rogue wrote:

Heres a true story from my wife. She walked into her bosses office a couple of weeks ago, in the cold snap, and there is a guy sitting in the office wearing clogs and shorts. She says hi and so does the guy. Then he says "Dont you know who I am?" She says "No, should I" Guy gets a little upset and says, "I'm Shawn Horcoff of the Oilers" Now my wife works in a male oriented enviroment and most her hockey knowledge is through osmosis, so she does know what is going on with the oil. She puts her papers on the desk and turns to walk out of the office. She said to him, and I qoute,"Thats nice, but if I were you I wouldn't be telling anybody who I was" His face turned a shade or two.

Later, in retrospect, she was not happy about what she said, put what really put her off was his arrogance. That pissed her off.

I really hate stories like these since they're rarely true.

A couple of years ago after an autograph session at WEM ended and the staff was ushering people away, Horcoff was surrounded by people still wanting autographs. He stayed for close to an extra hour while people shoved things in his face to sign

If anyone thinks this team will be better without him in the line up, you are so clearly mistaken

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#70 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 11:28AM
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PS is Louie Debrusk bigger than SMac?

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#71 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 11:30AM
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@Rogue

~Wow, a 20-something who makes millions of dollars with a sense of entitlement?~

I can't say I've ever met Sean Horcoff, or any other Oilers for that matter. If he is in fact a big jerk, I guarantee he is not the only one in the league. Also, who cares?

One more thing, people can act however they want, and they can live with the consequences of that. Frankly, as long as they're not doing anything dangerous like driving drunk (I'm looking at YOU, Jay Bouwmeester) it means nothing to me.

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#72 Dan the Man
November 03 2009, 11:34AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

PS is Louie Debrusk bigger than SMac?

DeBrusk 6'1" 225 lbs

SMac 6'6" 265 lbs

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#73 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 11:35AM
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He looked a lot taller than 6'1" standing next to SMac in that little hunting snippet during the intermission last night. Looked like maybe an inch or two separating them.

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#74 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 11:36AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

You could always relax and climb a tree stand, enjoy nature and harvest an animal.

Sorry, I'll stop talking. I get a little cranky when the oilers can't score or win games. It doesn't help when they play like crap when I buy the PPV game either.

No tree stands for this guy. Nothing like blasting some shotguns at a few geese to relieve some tension. Maybe pop a mule deer on the weekend if I see a decent one.

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#75 SirFozz
November 03 2009, 11:37AM
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@ Librarian Mike

Does making me throw things at the TV count as doing something dangerous? If so, I'm looking at you Oilers.

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#76 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 11:42AM
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SirFozz wrote:

@ Librarian Mike

Does making me throw things at the TV count as doing something dangerous? If so, I'm looking at you Oilers.

LOL. I suppose drop-passes in the neutral zone can be deadly when done by 'kid liners'. Seriously though, nothing makes me crazier than people, especially rich people who have plenty of options, drive drunk. No excuse.

As for arrogance of players, obviously that poster has never seen an interview with Wayne 'I've been talking about myself in the 3rd person since the 80s' Gretzky.

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#77 Ogden Brother
November 03 2009, 11:42AM
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So when are people going to man up and either:

A. Proclaim Quinn/Renney to be idiots.

B. Admit MacT is a competent NHL coach who was given a sub-par roster.

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#78 Dan the Man
November 03 2009, 11:46AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

He looked a lot taller than 6'1" standing next to SMac in that little hunting snippet during the intermission last night. Looked like maybe an inch or two separating them.

Those stats are according to Hockey db so they could be off a bit I suppose. DeBrusk was never a huge heavyweight though.

DeBrusk probably pulled out the platforms again.

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#79 Hemmercules
November 03 2009, 11:47AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So when are people going to man up and either:

A. Proclaim Quinn/Renney to be idiots.

B. Admit MacT is a competent NHL coach who was given a sub-par roster.

I'm leaning on B. Those two aren't idiots. They want more out of the players and aren't getting it, sounds like Craig all over again.

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#80 Hatecoff
November 03 2009, 11:49AM
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when a team gets an icing call against them they are not allowed to change the players on the ice

how does it make sense that when a team pulls their goalie and ices the puck, one forward comes off and the goalie comes back on ?

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#81 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 11:51AM
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@Hatecoff

Something something Horcoff something.

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#82 SirFozz
November 03 2009, 11:55AM
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@ OB original

I thought MacT was competent but at the same time, it was time to move on. Also, until the Oiler flu pandemic, I was enjoying watching the style of play this year compared to MacT's style.

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#83 Hatecoff
November 03 2009, 11:55AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So when are people going to man up and either:

A. Proclaim Quinn/Renney to be idiots.

B. Admit MacT is a competent NHL coach who was given a sub-par roster.

A.) why would they be idiots ?

B.) mac t is a competent coach who wasnt given a sub-par roster. he had a good roster but was forced to make lemonade out of pears and eventually lost his players, the fans and then his job.

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#84 Rogue
November 03 2009, 11:56AM
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Wait....I am sure Shawn does lots for the community and is a good guy. I never said that the Oil is better off without him. I PRAY that he returns to his form of a few years ago, however, I fear he wont. I think he has played well in the last few games. I probably should not have relayed what was said. I apoligse, but if I was any high profile player struggling, I would not be making my prescense known to everyone. Sometimes I wonder if these athletes think they are above reproach. Anyways attempt to edit it out.

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#85 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 11:57AM
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I have to share this because it made me laugh. There's an article in The Score about the fact that Phil Kessel has been cleared to play tonight. The title of the article is:

An Era Begins: Kessel Cleared For Debut Tonight

I wonder if they'll have a pregame ceremony where they raise his banner to the rafters as well...

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#86 Hatecoff
November 03 2009, 11:58AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Something something Horcoff something.

im just a little busy poking my voodoo horcoff doll with needles

could you please fill in the three somethings for me ?

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#87 roughneck
November 03 2009, 11:58AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So when are people going to man up and either:

A. Proclaim Quinn/Renney to be idiots.

B. Admit MacT is a competent NHL coach who was given a sub-par roster.

there it is!!!!!

maybe they were sick last year too?

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#88 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 03 2009, 12:00PM
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I'm just trolling. Ignore me and maybe I'll go away.

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#89 Hatecoff
November 03 2009, 12:03PM
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they need something positive to write about the leafs, even if it is just optimism.

i hate the leafs as much as horcoff but i honestly do have a feeling they will win 3 out the next 5 games with him in the line up.

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#90 Desperandum
November 03 2009, 12:03PM
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Rogue wrote:

Heres a true story from my wife. She walked into her bosses office a couple of weeks ago, in the cold snap, and there is a guy sitting in the office wearing clogs and shorts. She says hi and so does the guy. Then he says "Dont you know who I am?" She says "No, should I" Guy gets a little upset and says, "I'm Shawn Horcoff of the Oilers" Now my wife works in a male oriented enviroment and most her hockey knowledge is through osmosis, so she does know what is going on with the oil. She puts her papers on the desk and turns to walk out of the office. She said to him, and I qoute,"Thats nice, but if I were you I wouldn't be telling anybody who I was" His face turned a shade or two.

Later, in retrospect, she was not happy about what she said, put what really put her off was his arrogance. That pissed her off.

This story has been around for decades, told about any athlete in any major sport that somebody wants to try and defame.

If you don't know enough about hockey to critique his performance objectively, don't embarrass yourself with this weak old dreck.

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#91 Ogden Brother
November 03 2009, 12:07PM
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SirFozz wrote:

@ OB original

I thought MacT was competent but at the same time, it was time to move on. Also, until the Oiler flu pandemic, I was enjoying watching the style of play this year compared to MacT's style.

I agree, no question it was time to move on... My post was directed to the (large) contingence that felt he was an incompetent coach that had no business standing behind an NHL bench.

As to the style of play, I think we are seeing now that it may have as much to do with personal as to coaching philosophy... ie MacT didn't have access to JFJ/Stone and to a less extent Brule for the vast majority of the season.

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#92 Ogden Brother
November 03 2009, 12:16PM
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roughneck wrote:

there it is!!!!!

maybe they were sick last year too?

I give the team part marks for health/injury this year, but that only goes so far.

A. Every (or almost every) team has flu/major injuries

B. I'm sure last years team had it's share of bumps/bruises.

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#93 Librarian Mike
November 03 2009, 12:22PM
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@Ogden Brother

This year's Oilers are still pretty much the same as last year's Oilers. While there have been flashes of great play, they have all-too-often fallen back on their old habits. As for coaching, it's far more common for players to make a coach look good than the opposite.

I can't help but wonder if Horcoff's shoulder has ever healed from a couple of years ago. Having to take 93 faceoffs per game certainly didn't help though.

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#94 Ogden Brother
November 03 2009, 12:27PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

This year's Oilers are still pretty much the same as last year's Oilers. While there have been flashes of great play, they have all-too-often fallen back on their old habits. As for coaching, it's far more common for players to make a coach look good than the opposite.

I can't help but wonder if Horcoff's shoulder has ever healed from a couple of years ago. Having to take 93 faceoffs per game certainly didn't help though.

Ya, I'm really pulling for Horc to get back to at least average 2nd line production, but the more I see of him the more I wonder if his body (shoulder) is just plain done. Vclav in TB had the same surgery (I believe) and has seen a similar drop in his production.

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#95 Darwic
November 03 2009, 12:35PM
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Rogue wrote:

Heres a true story from my wife. She walked into her bosses office a couple of weeks ago, in the cold snap, and there is a guy sitting in the office wearing clogs and shorts. She says hi and so does the guy. Then he says "Dont you know who I am?" She says "No, should I" Guy gets a little upset and says, "I'm Shawn Horcoff of the Oilers" Now my wife works in a male oriented enviroment and most her hockey knowledge is through osmosis, so she does know what is going on with the oil. She puts her papers on the desk and turns to walk out of the office. She said to him, and I qoute,"Thats nice, but if I were you I wouldn't be telling anybody who I was" His face turned a shade or two.

Later, in retrospect, she was not happy about what she said, put what really put her off was his arrogance. That pissed her off.

Years ago..I did security for a Jason Arnott fan signing..being less then 3 feet from him for the whole signing..I was privy to all the conversations. This was at at a time when 'he was at all time low" with the fans and his performance.

I was stunned and actually ashamed of the fans how they treated, belittled and were plain out rude to him. He handled it all with class, and responded very kindly to these people.

It gave me a new respect for him , for I was as anti-Jason as anyone.

When I hear stories like the above, I question the honesty and the sincerity in... the person telling the story. How did they treat or show respect to "the player" in the first place??

ps..after the signing, Jason tracked me down,.in the store.. and personally thanked me for doing the security.

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#96 smiliegirl15
November 03 2009, 12:35PM
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Quinn and Renney certainly aren't idiots but I wouldn't go so far as to say MacTavish is competent. He certainly had a team of underachievers, as do our new coaching pair, but it's the coach's job to get something out of them too. So far, Quinn and Renney have been able to get most of them going (Exhibit A - Dustin Penner). We still have underachievers but at the same time, those who were able to coast under MacT's favouritism are being exposed for what they really are.

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#97 roughneck
November 03 2009, 12:38PM
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Thankfully Quinn is following in the MacT tradition of colorful post game pressers. I wonder how long until he finds the keys to MacTs greyhound?

Sarcastic old coot that Quinn.

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#98 Ogden Brother
November 03 2009, 12:42PM
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smiliegirl15 wrote:

Quinn and Renney certainly aren't idiots but I wouldn't go so far as to say MacTavish is competent. He certainly had a team of underachievers, as do our new coaching pair, but it's the coach's job to get something out of them too. So far, Quinn and Renney have been able to get most of them going (Exhibit A - Dustin Penner). We still have underachievers but at the same time, those who were able to coast under MacT's favouritism are being exposed for what they really are.

You've got guys that have improved and regressed, if Quinn gets (alot) of credit for Penner, then he needs to shoulder blame for Gilbert (etc) as well.

Also, if the record this year is similar to last year you simply can't say Quinn/Renney aren't idiots and Mctavish is incompetent... it's completely contradictory.

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#99 smiliegirl15
November 03 2009, 12:50PM
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@Ogden Brother

but at the same time, the team last year was relatively healthy. We didn't have the injuries last season we've seen this season. We have our current record without Souray and with the H1N1 flu.

Maybe, in all seriousness, it's time to offer Peca a job, but only if he's healthy. He may have a new attitude since no one out there has offered him a job (that he's accepted anyway).

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#100 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 03 2009, 12:52PM
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Ya, I'm really pulling for Horc to get back to at least average 2nd line production, but the more I see of him the more I wonder if his body (shoulder) is just plain done. Vclav in TB had the same surgery (I believe) and has seen a similar drop in his production.

And yet Mr.Prospal has 18 points in 15 games this year, so if it is the same type of injury you can overcome it.

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