Hold on, Tambo alarmists

Jason Gregor
November 23 2009 09:11AM

The Oilers get schooled by the Chicago Blackhawks, combined with an article by Dan Rosen and suddenly some people — including OilersNation's Jonathan Willis — believe that Steve Tambellini is an awful GM and that his job should be in jeopardy. I love a good story, but if anyone thinks that Steve Tambellini will, or should, get fired a year and a quarter into his tenure as GM, they're enjoying too much of the hippie whiskey.

News flash, people: if you expect the Oilers to improve overnight, it won’t happen.

Anyone who believes organizations plan to lose is kidding themselves. The Blackhawks look solid right now, but until making the playoffs last year, the Hawks had made the playoffs once in ten seasons. Did they purposely tank it for that many years, just so they could be a contender now?

Do you think they planned to be that bad?

Duncan Keith was a 2nd rounder in 2002, and then Brent Seabrook was taken 14th overall in 2003. Dustin Byfuglien was an 8th rounder in 2003. Cam Barker was 3rd overall and Dave Bolland was 32nd overall in 2004. Then Jonathon Toews, 3rd overall in 2006 and Patrick Kane, 1st pick in 2007 were the big pieces.

It has taken seven years for the Hawks to be this good, not to mention they’ve signed big tickets like Cristobal Huet and Marian Hossa, and because of the salary cap this might be their best shot to win, before they have to make some tough choices this off-season.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but signing Sheldon Souray and trading for Lubomir Visnovsky weren’t bad moves, and they aren’t the reason the Oilers sit in 12th place in the west.

Up until this year the, Dustin Penner signing looked like a disaster, and there is no guarantee that if they didn’t make that offer that they’d somehow be better. Would Penner’s absence have made them a bottom three team, and out them into a position to draft Zach Bogosian, Steven Stamkos or Drew Doughty?

No one knows, because there are so many other intangibles in play that you wouldn’t know where they would have finished, but the odds are they wouldn’t have gotten a top-three pick. And so far, outside of those three, no other player in that draft looks like a bonafide star, so how can anyone say that the Oilers would be better off without Penner?

The part that makes me laugh the most is that many feel if the Oilers had a 4th line faceoff guy, that they’d be in the playoffs right now. Do you honestly believe that?

Of course the Oilers could be better, since they are 30th in the league in FO% at 45.8, but the Colorado Avalanche are 29th and the Flames are 28th, yet they're 3rd and 4th in the standings.

Philadephia (17th), Ottawa (21st), LA (22nd), New Jersey (23rd) and Pittsburgh (24th) all struggle in the dot, yet they are all comfortably in the playoffs right now.

Don’t you think all the injuries have had a bigger impact on the team’s current standings than a 4th line faceoff guy?

Rob Niedermayer is 50.8% in the draw, Blair Betts is 49.5% and both have taken over 200 faceoffs. Would they really make the Oilers better?

There are much bigger problems with the Oilers than a freaking 4th line centre.

Tambellini needs to change the culture, and if you don’t think he is then you haven’t been paying attention. He brought in a new coaching staff, and has given them the reins to try and make this team accountable.

I said it, and wrote it, repeatedly last year that Craig MacTavish wasn’t holding back this team. No doubt it was time for MacTavish to go, but now that he is gone, many of the same problems still exist.

If you thought they would all evaporate in one year, you were dreaming. Injuries to physical players like Stone and Jacques have hurt this team, but they are just a small piece of the puzzle similar the absence of a faceoff guy. This team still has too many guys who don't consistently out-work the opposition — either physically or mentally. They still make too many mistakes. They still miss too many passes, they still lose too many one-on-one battles.

Did you think that a new coach would magically fix all of these problems, or that Tambellini would be able to rid himself of all the problems with a few phone calls.

The changes need to continue. Pat Quinn and Tom Renney are trying to find out which guys have the character, smarts and skill to play their system. If they can’t after 40 games then I’d expect to see Tambellini start to make some changes.

Any suggestions that Tambellini’s job is on the line is grossly premature and that would be another knee-jerk reaction, which is exactly what got this organization in this situation to begin with.

Bulin's Back

Nikolai Khabibulin's back injury will keep him out for at least a few more games, so the Oilers have recalled Devan Dubnyk. Dubnyk has played well in the AHL so far with a 9-8-1 record and a respectful 2.77 GAA and .924 SV%.

If Khabibulin is out for an extended period of time you will see Dubnyk play, but if it is just a few games expect Jeff Deslauriers to get his 3rd and 4th consecutive starts.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 09:21AM
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Who was it on your show last week the Avs GM? Wasn't it him that said it is too early in the year to make moves? One would think that this is probably the same motto for most GM's. Like you said Quinn and Renney are still evaluated.

I don't expect much until around or after x-mas. Maybe something minor gets done before then, but judging on how long it took them to let Macintyre go I won't hold my breath waiting for a deal.

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#2 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
November 23 2009, 09:23AM
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Good read. It's nice to see that some people haven't hit the panic button yet.

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#3 BUCK75
November 23 2009, 09:31AM
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So it is a combination of team chemistry & injuries?

I believe that the team will look a bit different after Christmas, but we won't be getting any big ticket guys.

The anonymous blogger was brought up by Jim Matheson yesterday saying that the oilers were interested in Kovalchuk & Semin. Matty laughed it off...

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#4 Jeff
November 23 2009, 09:31AM
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I am in total and complete awe of the sheer brilliance of this photo.

Well done.

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#5 Chamucks Deluxe
November 23 2009, 09:31AM
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Like I said in the other thread, so far he's traded for Patty O, Ales Kotalik and Dany Heatley. That's an excellent body of work for a year and a bit on the job.

No one knows what we have with this team yet and the injuries and illness pushed that back even further.

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#6 rubbertrout
November 23 2009, 09:38AM
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OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM wrote:

Good read. It's nice to see that some people haven't hit the panic button yet.

There's a panic button? Bingofuel you outdid yourself. First an "Edit" button and now this? Ingenious!

**Rapidly searches for the panic button to hit

Seriously, I don't think it is time to start pushing women and children out of the way so we can jump in the lifeboats (although our Calgary bretheren already have a history of doing this for flu-shots) but by the same token the "everything will be alright" mentality spewed by Tambo seems like Kool-aid to me.

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#7 Travis Dakin
November 23 2009, 09:43AM
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Ah the first pick in 2007... Remember when the Oilers lost 17 of 20 and just HAD to win that last game.... which let the Blackhawks into lottery position and end up drafting Kane? That was awesome. haha

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#8 rubbertrout
November 23 2009, 09:43AM
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By the way Gregor thanks for the beer and the coversation. I was pretty impressed with how you gave a random internet commentator your personal cell number in order to satisfy a bet.

I'll repay the favour next time I'm in EDM.

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#9 David S
November 23 2009, 09:44AM
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"If Khabibulin is out for an extended period of time you will see Dubnyk play, but if it is just a few games expect Jeff Deslauriers to get his 3rd and 4th consecutive starts."

Man. ~Just reading this makes feel better already.~

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#10 Woogie
November 23 2009, 09:45AM
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It's just frustrating we are top 5 in cap hit yet in the bottom 5 in the west.

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#11 Chris.
November 23 2009, 09:46AM
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I haven't been commenting as much recently... there hasn't been much to say. I'm an Oiler fan and my team is marginal at best.

For me, the Blackhawk game only highlights the sheer magnitude of the gap that exists between a truly quality roster and that of the Oilers. Like many here, I spent the better part of my summer speculating on potential trades, signings, etc that never came to pass... Obviously this exercise was a waste of time because Oiler managment clearly believes in their group. IMO, Tambelllini is either not in charge, or he has been compromised by a form of collective groupthink; as he has clearly changed his tune since his post season presser last year. Management is clearly endorsing the current group both by words, and action(inacation?).

My only sence of hope lies in the longterm retooling of a troubled franchise. Comming out of the lockout, this team didn't have an AHL affilite, a truly stable ownership structure, or plans to replace an aging arena. At least Katz is willing to hire an allstar coaching staff, front some money for a new barn, and invest in the Falcons to try and foster a winning culture at the farm. I'm cautiously optimistic that eventually, things may improve... and the Oilers may be competative sometime before I die.

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#12 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 09:46AM
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I'm not saying Tambo should be fired, I agree that it's way to early and it takes a long time to make over a roster.

Just going to throw something out there though.

Would this team be better if we had held on to Brodziak and Kotalik as opposed to signing Comrie this summer? To make room cap wise we could have waived/traded Pouliott and Nilsson. The cap numbers are just about the same.

Brodziak - 1.150

Kotalik - 3.0

Total - 4.150

Comrie - 1.25

Pouliott - .825

Nilsson - 2.0

Total - 4.075

Now maybe it's not fair to make a comparison since the three current Oilers have missed a substantial amount of time. To me Brodziak and Kotalik are better options based on the make up of this team even if all players involved are completely healthy.

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#13 I'm a Scientist!
November 23 2009, 09:47AM
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Jeff wrote:

I am in total and complete awe of the sheer brilliance of this photo.

Well done.

I totally agree. Probably my favorite picture of the season!

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#14 Rick
November 23 2009, 09:48AM
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With all due respect Gregor, I think for most people that have an issue with what Tambellini is doing, or more accuratley not doing, it has nothing to do with Chicago or only a 4th line center being the teams saviour.

Tambellini has been at the reigns for two training camps, a trade deadline, a draft, a free agency period and an entire summer and yet we are still watching Kevin Lowes team. Is there another example out there of a GM that has held the keys to a team for so long without putting his stamp or applied his vison to his team?

You state that he brought in a new coaching staff and that yet at the time MacT was "let go" I seem to recall alot of the media, if I'm not mistaken you included, suggested that the decision was for the most part forced by MacT himself. That it wasn't a traditional firing. What if MacT didn't finally see the writing on the wall and decided he wantd to give his last season with the Oilers a go? Is this still Pat Quinn's team then? Does that change Tambellini's plan of changing the culture of the team if MacT wanted to stay.

The way I see it, without the access you guys have, is that Tambellini's only significant move was forced upon him so it can't even really be considered his move.

As for the 4th line center, no one considers it the difference between making the playoffs or not but can anyone say that having a bottom six center who can win draws and kill penalties isn't a need? You don't build a winning team by just inserting Dany Heatley, you build a team by addressing all, or as many of, the teams short comings as you can. This team has plenty, a bottom 6 center being one of them. At the very least we should be able to expect the GM to fill the relatively easy holes while he waits for the opportunity to swing for the fences on a star. Tambellini seems to have taken the opposite approach and the team is skating in quicksand because of it.

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#15 Woogie
November 23 2009, 09:53AM
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HOLLY ###!!$#)*(*

The New York Islanders have more points than the Oilers.

**picks himself off the floor and says... more proof in 2012 the world is going to end.**

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#16 Zamboni Driver
November 23 2009, 09:54AM
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I agree that a 4th Line C isn't the solution....but Jason (and others) - Ryan Stone (whoever the hell that is!) being hurt is worth mentioning??!!

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#17 Heatly
November 23 2009, 09:59AM
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I guess you're right Jason, it won't happen overnight. BUT as you know, all Oiler fans want immediate turnaround. Look at Colorado and what they did after loosing Smyth and Sakic.

Any good prospects for next years draft?

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#18 Sabazz
November 23 2009, 10:02AM
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Sign me up for a GM job. Apparently none of them have any work to do. Looks to me like they work 2 days a year. July 1 and trade deadline day where they can be completely wreckless in the name of helping their team make a run. Then they wait and see what it looks like till next year.

I think we can already see what this team looks like. We've seen it 3 years in a row

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#19 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
November 23 2009, 10:05AM
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as long as the oilers organization has the front office staff that they do and the oakland raiders fans. they will sink deeper and deeper into the black hole.

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#20 Hemmercules
November 23 2009, 10:09AM
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It took Bulin 18 games to get his first injury. I have to admit thats about 3 or 4 more games than I expected. I know they only want to play him 60 games a season but 3 more years of this has me a bit worried.

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#21 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 10:10AM
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"The part that makes me laugh the most is that many feel if the Oilers had a 4th line faceoff guy, that they’d be in the playoffs right now. Do you honestly believe that?"

No, but a gritty 3rd line C that can match up against other teams top 6 along with a crasher and banger 3rd line winger that can pot 15, and a 2nd pairing defensively solid, physical dman (or at least 2 of the 3) would have been relatively cheap to aquire (both assets and $$) and likely moved the team from the bottom of the bubble (10th/11th) to the top of the bubble (7th/8th).

You can't resonably expect him to provide the 40 goal scorer, but you can resonably expect him to aquire vetran role players.

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#22 smiliegirl15
November 23 2009, 10:12AM
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Thanks for the much needed splash of cold water Gregor. Too many knee jerk reactions would make more of a mess than we already have.

A lot of the problems on this team have to do with work ethic and consistency. There are going to be a lot of Oilers looking for renewal contracts after this season. Prove you're worth it or you'll end up like Peca, still waiting at home for the phone to ring.

The best thing that could happen to Tambellini would be Lowe moving on. As long as he needs Lowe's rubber stamp, his hands will be tied (to a certain extent).

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#23 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 10:18AM
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@Ogden Brother

Was it reasonable to acquire vets when they really thought guys like Jacques, Pouilot and Brule could help up front and on the back end Peckham was looking pretty close and Chorney was looking better?

I really don't know anymore and I hope that we start making some decisions on who can do what. The other thing is it would be nice to have some different types of players to call up from the minors. We seem to have a variety of players when it comes to defense, but up front we ended up replacing bigger guys with smaller guys and were back to where we were last year.

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#24 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 10:18AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

I agree that a 4th Line C isn't the solution....but Jason (and others) - Ryan Stone (whoever the hell that is!) being hurt is worth mentioning??!!

I agree that a 4th line centre isn't going to turn this teams fortunes around too but what single move would aside from landing a bonafide superstar?

I don't think anyone can argue that a decent 4th line centre would improve this team a little bit and that's how you usually build a team, you tweak rather than completely overhaul.

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#25 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 10:21AM
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Really good tilt between MacIntyre and "Nasty" Mirasty on the weekend. Not too sure why Big Mac has no interest in fighting the much smaller Mirasty in the beginning though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMsOg2_7_iQ&NR=1

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#26 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 10:21AM
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Gagner plays with Penner and Hemsky, Horcoff with Brule and Jacques at practice.

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#27 David S
November 23 2009, 10:22AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

"The part that makes me laugh the most is that many feel if the Oilers had a 4th line faceoff guy, that they’d be in the playoffs right now. Do you honestly believe that?"

No, but a gritty 3rd line C that can match up against other teams top 6 along with a crasher and banger 3rd line winger that can pot 15, and a 2nd pairing defensively solid, physical dman (or at least 2 of the 3) would have been relatively cheap to aquire (both assets and $$) and likely moved the team from the bottom of the bubble (10th/11th) to the top of the bubble (7th/8th).

You can't resonably expect him to provide the 40 goal scorer, but you can resonably expect him to aquire vetran role players.

Well it looks like we've got the 40 goal scorer covered. Dustin Penner is currently tracking at 46.

*rubs eyes in disbelief*

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#28 DBO
November 23 2009, 10:34AM
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While i agree that it can't happen overnight, tambellini said this off season that the needs of this team would be addressed. and for the 3rd straight year we have no one who can win a faceoff and play in his own end at the center position outside of Horcoff. We are still too small, and while our "grit" will go up when Stone and Jacques return, it still doesn't make us a playoff team. We were lucky to be 6-2 at the start of the year. We were outshot and outchanced in pretty much every game to start the year. That is not a recipe for success. We have cap issues with expensive role players and are too small throughout the lineup. A few small moves (as mentioned above) will make us a more balanced and competitive team that will allow Quinn to better use his system (because right now the pieces don't fit for what he wants)

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#29 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 10:44AM
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This is pretty funny. It's an NHL Suspension Flowchart from the Down Goes Brown Blog.

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html

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#30 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 10:51AM
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Compare and contrast:

Jason Gregor:

"This team still has too many guys who don't consistently out-work the opposition — either physically or mentally. They still make too many mistakes. They still miss too many passes, they still lose too many one-on-one battles."

and

"News flash, people: if you expect the Oilers to improve overnight, it won’t happen."

Steve Tambellini:

"We had a really good camp and a very strong start and I like the look of our team and I like the balance of scoring and grit."

and

"The scoring will come when we have more balance in our lineup and that's just getting some bodies back."

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#31 Racki
November 23 2009, 10:56AM
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Damn I took "Bulin's Back" in the other meaning, initially. Disappointing..

On the note of Tambellini, he seems content on not making small changes to improve the team. I know it won't happen overnight, but it seems the only change our management wants to make now are those big home-run deals (like Hossa, Jagr, Heatley, etc.). I'd just prefer they went out and solidified the defense... maybe move some small talent for some bigger players.. drop a bit of dead weight via waivers...

I'm admittedly not always a very patient fan though. But 3 years in a row we've been told to be patient because: "we're going through a lot of injuries... we are evaluating this teams talent... we're evaluating MacT as a coach.... we want to see how the players react under a new coach". Trying to be patient, but there always seems to be some excuse.

The injuries are a very valid excuse this year though, but I thought maybe we could have seen a smaller player moved to help with the size we lost via injury (JFJ, Stone, Moreau at one point). And when those players returned, we'd still be in good shape.

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#32 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 10:57AM
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Meanwhile, if MacTavish wasn't the main problem (and I think we can agree, based on results, that he wasn't) why does Steve Tambellini get defended for a summer where his only major move was changing the coaching staff?

We can quibble about things - he tried to add Heatley, but Penner's performance so far has been pretty comparable, so that wouldn't have fixed the problems, and he swapped Roloson for Khabibulin (probably a wash, to this point) - but that's pretty much it.

In short, when I see a column talking about substantial problems that will take more than a year to address, and then I see the same column defending a G.M. who hasn't made any real moves to address them, I get confused.

Yes, Tambellini has a big job. That doesn't excuse a year and a half of inaction.

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#33 Dyckster
November 23 2009, 10:59AM
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I blame - Mac T, K Lowe, Tambo, E Brewer, T Poti, M A Bergeron (sic?), R Nilsson, M Comrie, C Pronger, T. Gilbert, S Horcoff, R Low, T Salo, R Schremp, D Heatly, E Moreau, D Penner.....

Us Oiler fans love to hate eh!

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#34 sizzler
November 23 2009, 11:02AM
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Yes there is no quick turn around, but I don't understand people complaining about 4th line center who can win face off. We have one, it just happens that on this team he is forced to play line 1 center. Money has nothing to do with winning. Its obvious oilers can't by skill (eg. Hossa) and they can't trade for proven skill (eg. Heatley)

What they need to do is take chance on few trades: for eg: - I would offer up hemsky for evander kane and atlanta's 1st - go after petter mueller in pheonix

Take wild chances like that, if kane and mueller don't pan out, then you are in perfect shape to go after 1st overall pick.

Currently I am just bored of losing with the same players, I would rather lose with new faces. Only difference being I have no faith in the current oiler player, new faces might give a little face.

for eg: If we are down by a 1 in third period tonight, I bet moreau will get a penalty with 10 mins left.....its boring when the system is so predictable.

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#35 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 11:06AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Moved Garon ended up with Stone. Moved pending UFA Cole and ends up with O'Sullivan. Added Kotalik for the stretch run. Off-season decides Rollie not the guy adds Bulin. Tries to land Heatley when that fails added Comrie to help out. Moved Brodziak as he wasn't playing the way they wanted him to be playing.

Plus he is seeing what he has in the depth pool in Jacques, Stone, Brule, Chorney, Peckham, Potulny and Reddox. If you added 3 players over the summer we would never get a look at any of those guys and while they aren't all spectacular some of those guys are making an impact.

So clearly he hasn't done anything in a year and a half.

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#36 Leopard
November 23 2009, 11:08AM
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sizzler wrote:

Yes there is no quick turn around, but I don't understand people complaining about 4th line center who can win face off. We have one, it just happens that on this team he is forced to play line 1 center. Money has nothing to do with winning. Its obvious oilers can't by skill (eg. Hossa) and they can't trade for proven skill (eg. Heatley)

What they need to do is take chance on few trades: for eg: - I would offer up hemsky for evander kane and atlanta's 1st - go after petter mueller in pheonix

Take wild chances like that, if kane and mueller don't pan out, then you are in perfect shape to go after 1st overall pick.

Currently I am just bored of losing with the same players, I would rather lose with new faces. Only difference being I have no faith in the current oiler player, new faces might give a little face.

for eg: If we are down by a 1 in third period tonight, I bet moreau will get a penalty with 10 mins left.....its boring when the system is so predictable.

You predicted Penner's production this year!?!! You should buy me a lottery ticket.

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#37 freeze
November 23 2009, 11:09AM
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Woogie wrote:

HOLLY ###!!$#)*(*

The New York Islanders have more points than the Oilers.

**picks himself off the floor and says... more proof in 2012 the world is going to end.**

Can we take any solace in the fact that Schremp isn't contributing to that at all?

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#38 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 11:09AM
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Rob Niedermayer is 50.8% in the draw, Blair Betts is 49.5% and both have taken over 200 faceoffs. Would they really make the Oilers better?

Niedermayer's averaged 2:39 a night on NJ's penalty kill. Betts has averaged 2:58 in Philadelphia. Both teams have better PK's than the Oilers.

Could the Oilers use a big, physical centre who can win faceoffs and kill penalties? Given their PK is humming along at 78.0%, I'd say yes.

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#39 David S
November 23 2009, 11:10AM
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"I would offer up hemsky for evander kane and atlanta's 1st - go after petter mueller in pheonix"

I imagine the only reason that trade hasn't happened already is that somebody broke into Tambellini's car last week and stole his cell phone. After all, that's a no-brainer trade that just about any NHL GM would jump all over.

Right?

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#40 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 11:17AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr.

Let's look at those moves:

a) moves backup goaltender for veteran minor leaguer b) moves physical, penalty-killing top-six forward for small, penatly-killing top-six forward c) adds rental in failed playoff bid; rental leaves in the off-season d) drops old workhorse goaltender for slightly younger old workhorse goaltender with a track record of injuries e) drops big, penalty-killing faceoff winning centre coming off a poor year for small power-plau forward coming off a couple of poor years f) blown off by big-name forward with a NTC g) promotes a bunch of guys who couldn't make the roster last year

Geez, my mistake. How has that impressive list of one step forward, one step back moves not succeeded in completely changing the team dynamic?

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#41 Ball Buster
November 23 2009, 11:21AM
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@Jonathan Willis

But it has really only been 1/3 of a season for Tambellini to assess talent with a "new" coaching system.

I wonder how soon after Tambellini's hiring was he told that MacTavish was not a long term solution and not to be too active until a new regime was installed?

I think Gregor is spot on.

The coaches will evaluate to the mid-point of the season, communicate what assets are truly duplicative, what skill sets cannot be grown internally and then Tambellini makes the calls. And a larger group of GMs may actually be in a position to answer the phone.

As the FO%age vs league standings stats show, the 3rd line centre Jesus may not be the answer. We haven't seen this team play healthy, with the players filling the roles they're supposed to, since early October.

Does everyone honestly think that if the Oilers' man games lost looked more like the Flames', they would still be where they are right now instead of that familiar 7th-8th position?

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#42 Oiler Country
November 23 2009, 11:23AM
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It's not time to pull the pin. No where near the time.

This team will not be better on the ice until the changes are made, and there is a mass assessment going on now. For some people to think that "we aren't winning" and to call for " needs to be fired or x player needs to be traded" blah blah blah

Settle down!

This is a process, with no immediate effects. Stay tuned, stuff will happen and not on YOUR timeline.

For smurf's sake..

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#43 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 11:24AM
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Dyckster wrote:

I blame - Mac T, K Lowe, Tambo, E Brewer, T Poti, M A Bergeron (sic?), R Nilsson, M Comrie, C Pronger, T. Gilbert, S Horcoff, R Low, T Salo, R Schremp, D Heatly, E Moreau, D Penner.....

Us Oiler fans love to hate eh!

No it's actually all Pronger's fault and I can prove it.

If you go through and look at the record of teams records the year AFTER Pronger leaves it's not pretty.

Gets traded from the Mighty Whale to St Louis in 94-95 and the Whale proceed to miss the playoffs the following 2 seasons AND the franchise even moves to Carolina after that - CLEARLY Chris Effing Pronger's fault

CFP gets moved from St Louis to Edmonton after the 04-05 lockout season and the Blues fail to make the playoffs the following 3 seasons.

CFP demands to be let out of Edmonton at the end of the 05-06 season and well we know how the Oil have fared since then.

CFP gets traded from the Ducks to the Flyers at the end of the 08-09 season and the Ducks are currently sitting in last in the Western Confernece.

CFP destroys franchises.

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#44 The Real Scuba Steve
November 23 2009, 11:25AM
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They got to analyze the team last year, Tambo even said at his end of the year speech what he needed for the team to be better, not an all guns blazing after Danny Heatley and ignore more important issues. He switched goaltenders that's it. For a training camp year that really needed off season acquisitions like previous years this season was the most needed. Same excuses same old team.

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#45 Hemmercules
November 23 2009, 11:31AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr.

Let's look at those moves:

a) moves backup goaltender for veteran minor leaguer b) moves physical, penalty-killing top-six forward for small, penatly-killing top-six forward c) adds rental in failed playoff bid; rental leaves in the off-season d) drops old workhorse goaltender for slightly younger old workhorse goaltender with a track record of injuries e) drops big, penalty-killing faceoff winning centre coming off a poor year for small power-plau forward coming off a couple of poor years f) blown off by big-name forward with a NTC g) promotes a bunch of guys who couldn't make the roster last year

Geez, my mistake. How has that impressive list of one step forward, one step back moves not succeeded in completely changing the team dynamic?

Ouch.

*dies a little inside*

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#46 ThaShiznit
November 23 2009, 11:33AM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

as long as the oilers organization has the front office staff that they do and the oakland raiders fans. they will sink deeper and deeper into the black hole.

Wholeheartedly agree. As long as RX1 sells out, why should the team make any changes. The mediocre team that gets iced day in and day out will be the same story as most years. We will miss the playoffs by 5 points and still not be bad enough to land Taylor Hall. So we will continue to get decent draft picks that just don't have the stuff to be a star that we can build this team around. I hope I am wrong, but I think we are in trouble if anyone is hoping for some changes. Tambo sounds pretty sure that the group here can get it done.

I hope the beloved Oilers don't crap the bed tonight. Especially after the big Meeting. If they lay an egg tonight, I think it is safe to hit the Panic button.

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#47 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 11:36AM
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So what exactly are you looking for? Would you prefer he keep signing borderline guys like Strudwick instead of playing our youth? We clearly aren't much more then an 8th place team so we might as well let our younger players get the time.

And all of sudden Brodziak is a big forward, Comrie plays with more size.

I guess you don't think Brule and Jacques should be in the NHL?

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#48 Hemmercules
November 23 2009, 11:37AM
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ThaShiznit wrote:

Wholeheartedly agree. As long as RX1 sells out, why should the team make any changes. The mediocre team that gets iced day in and day out will be the same story as most years. We will miss the playoffs by 5 points and still not be bad enough to land Taylor Hall. So we will continue to get decent draft picks that just don't have the stuff to be a star that we can build this team around. I hope I am wrong, but I think we are in trouble if anyone is hoping for some changes. Tambo sounds pretty sure that the group here can get it done.

I hope the beloved Oilers don't crap the bed tonight. Especially after the big Meeting. If they lay an egg tonight, I think it is safe to hit the Panic button.

The oil are usually good for a big win after one of their "meetings", just enough to get the fans somewhat back on their side. Then the egg will come wednesday and friday.

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#49 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 11:37AM
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ThaShiznit wrote:

Wholeheartedly agree. As long as RX1 sells out, why should the team make any changes. The mediocre team that gets iced day in and day out will be the same story as most years. We will miss the playoffs by 5 points and still not be bad enough to land Taylor Hall. So we will continue to get decent draft picks that just don't have the stuff to be a star that we can build this team around. I hope I am wrong, but I think we are in trouble if anyone is hoping for some changes. Tambo sounds pretty sure that the group here can get it done.

I hope the beloved Oilers don't crap the bed tonight. Especially after the big Meeting. If they lay an egg tonight, I think it is safe to hit the Panic button.

Do you honestly think that Oiler management doesn't care how the team fares season to season as long as ticket sales are fine?

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#50 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:40AM
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No it's actually all Pronger's fault and I can prove it.

If you go through and look at the record of teams records the year AFTER Pronger leaves it's not pretty.

Gets traded from the Mighty Whale to St Louis in 94-95 and the Whale proceed to miss the playoffs the following 2 seasons AND the franchise even moves to Carolina after that - CLEARLY Chris Effing Pronger's fault

CFP gets moved from St Louis to Edmonton after the 04-05 lockout season and the Blues fail to make the playoffs the following 3 seasons.

CFP demands to be let out of Edmonton at the end of the 05-06 season and well we know how the Oil have fared since then.

CFP gets traded from the Ducks to the Flyers at the end of the 08-09 season and the Ducks are currently sitting in last in the Western Confernece.

CFP destroys franchises.

I know (think) you are being at least partially sarcastic, but I think theirs alot of truth to your post.

Take any trophy caliber player (Chara/Crosby/Malkin/AO/Brodeur/Lundquivest etc etc) off of their respective teams and replace them with futures and you are going to be in trouble.

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