Hold on, Tambo alarmists

Jason Gregor
November 23 2009 09:11AM

The Oilers get schooled by the Chicago Blackhawks, combined with an article by Dan Rosen and suddenly some people — including OilersNation's Jonathan Willis — believe that Steve Tambellini is an awful GM and that his job should be in jeopardy. I love a good story, but if anyone thinks that Steve Tambellini will, or should, get fired a year and a quarter into his tenure as GM, they're enjoying too much of the hippie whiskey.

News flash, people: if you expect the Oilers to improve overnight, it won’t happen.

Anyone who believes organizations plan to lose is kidding themselves. The Blackhawks look solid right now, but until making the playoffs last year, the Hawks had made the playoffs once in ten seasons. Did they purposely tank it for that many years, just so they could be a contender now?

Do you think they planned to be that bad?

Duncan Keith was a 2nd rounder in 2002, and then Brent Seabrook was taken 14th overall in 2003. Dustin Byfuglien was an 8th rounder in 2003. Cam Barker was 3rd overall and Dave Bolland was 32nd overall in 2004. Then Jonathon Toews, 3rd overall in 2006 and Patrick Kane, 1st pick in 2007 were the big pieces.

It has taken seven years for the Hawks to be this good, not to mention they’ve signed big tickets like Cristobal Huet and Marian Hossa, and because of the salary cap this might be their best shot to win, before they have to make some tough choices this off-season.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but signing Sheldon Souray and trading for Lubomir Visnovsky weren’t bad moves, and they aren’t the reason the Oilers sit in 12th place in the west.

Up until this year the, Dustin Penner signing looked like a disaster, and there is no guarantee that if they didn’t make that offer that they’d somehow be better. Would Penner’s absence have made them a bottom three team, and out them into a position to draft Zach Bogosian, Steven Stamkos or Drew Doughty?

No one knows, because there are so many other intangibles in play that you wouldn’t know where they would have finished, but the odds are they wouldn’t have gotten a top-three pick. And so far, outside of those three, no other player in that draft looks like a bonafide star, so how can anyone say that the Oilers would be better off without Penner?

The part that makes me laugh the most is that many feel if the Oilers had a 4th line faceoff guy, that they’d be in the playoffs right now. Do you honestly believe that?

Of course the Oilers could be better, since they are 30th in the league in FO% at 45.8, but the Colorado Avalanche are 29th and the Flames are 28th, yet they're 3rd and 4th in the standings.

Philadephia (17th), Ottawa (21st), LA (22nd), New Jersey (23rd) and Pittsburgh (24th) all struggle in the dot, yet they are all comfortably in the playoffs right now.

Don’t you think all the injuries have had a bigger impact on the team’s current standings than a 4th line faceoff guy?

Rob Niedermayer is 50.8% in the draw, Blair Betts is 49.5% and both have taken over 200 faceoffs. Would they really make the Oilers better?

There are much bigger problems with the Oilers than a freaking 4th line centre.

Tambellini needs to change the culture, and if you don’t think he is then you haven’t been paying attention. He brought in a new coaching staff, and has given them the reins to try and make this team accountable.

I said it, and wrote it, repeatedly last year that Craig MacTavish wasn’t holding back this team. No doubt it was time for MacTavish to go, but now that he is gone, many of the same problems still exist.

If you thought they would all evaporate in one year, you were dreaming. Injuries to physical players like Stone and Jacques have hurt this team, but they are just a small piece of the puzzle similar the absence of a faceoff guy. This team still has too many guys who don't consistently out-work the opposition — either physically or mentally. They still make too many mistakes. They still miss too many passes, they still lose too many one-on-one battles.

Did you think that a new coach would magically fix all of these problems, or that Tambellini would be able to rid himself of all the problems with a few phone calls.

The changes need to continue. Pat Quinn and Tom Renney are trying to find out which guys have the character, smarts and skill to play their system. If they can’t after 40 games then I’d expect to see Tambellini start to make some changes.

Any suggestions that Tambellini’s job is on the line is grossly premature and that would be another knee-jerk reaction, which is exactly what got this organization in this situation to begin with.

Bulin's Back

Nikolai Khabibulin's back injury will keep him out for at least a few more games, so the Oilers have recalled Devan Dubnyk. Dubnyk has played well in the AHL so far with a 9-8-1 record and a respectful 2.77 GAA and .924 SV%.

If Khabibulin is out for an extended period of time you will see Dubnyk play, but if it is just a few games expect Jeff Deslauriers to get his 3rd and 4th consecutive starts.

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#51 ag2
November 23 2009, 11:41AM
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Gregor, you almost sound like you are making excuses for this team, 3 wins in 13 is pathetic and Tambo seems unwilling to do anything about it, heck I would be happy with selling the farm and rebuilding and we can't even lose right. You are right that the Oilers will not improve overnight but the fans have been waiting 15 years for anything better that an 8th place finish, Oh don;t say that they went to the cup finals in 2006, they still had a terrible regular season and got hot for the playoff run. I hate it when the media makes aplogies for the team.

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#52 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 11:42AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

So what exactly are you looking for? Would you prefer he keep signing borderline guys like Strudwick instead of playing our youth? We clearly aren't much more then an 8th place team so we might as well let our younger players get the time.

And all of sudden Brodziak is a big forward, Comrie plays with more size.

I guess you don't think Brule and Jacques should be in the NHL?

Even if Brodziak doesn't play as physical as the team liked he has some size(6'2" 209 lbs), is decent in the faceoff circle and decent on the PK. This team needed (and still needs) a Brodziak type more than a Comrie type of player.

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#53 oilfan
November 23 2009, 11:42AM
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I will judge Tambo after this weeks games. Patty O and Gilbert have to be the softest players to play the game. Watching Patty O avoid the hit tells me a lot about him. Gilbert has shown the staff and GM about three dozen give aways and soft checks. Like I have wrote before size will help the team but Stone and JFJ aren't the answers.

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#54 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:43AM
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Guys like JFJ and Stone should have been 13th/14th forwards/call ups right now (I think Brule was ready for NHL duty) rather then NHL "regulars" they should have been the ones in the roster on an injury basis, not Potulny/Reddox/O'marra.

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#55 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:45AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Guys like JFJ and Stone should have been 13th/14th forwards/call ups right now (I think Brule was ready for NHL duty) rather then NHL "regulars" they should have been the ones in the roster on an injury basis, not Potulny/Reddox/O'marra.

Post 54 was directed at you jr.

*gives stink eye*

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#56 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 23 2009, 11:46AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Guys like JFJ and Stone should have been 13th/14th forwards/call ups right now (I think Brule was ready for NHL duty) rather then NHL "regulars" they should have been the ones in the roster on an injury basis, not Potulny/Reddox/O'marra.

O'Marra and Potulny were injured when the team needed callups, weren't they?

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#57 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 11:46AM
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@Ogden Brother

I think JFJ should be a regular, Stone probably as the extra.

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#58 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:47AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

O'Marra and Potulny were injured when the team needed callups, weren't they?

Not sure?

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#59 Torres' Faux-Hawk
November 23 2009, 11:48AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Stick to your spreadsheets and leave the interpretations to people with an actual sense for hockey. Numbers aren't everything, and your extreme positions on most things Oilers (ie. Khabi, Tambo) are either done to drum up traffic on here or you're just not that astute. I'm undecided...

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#60 X2
November 23 2009, 11:49AM
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Th problems have rooted since MacT was here. The culture that the Oilers are having now is the results of 8 years letting slide. Current coaching staffs are still evaluating players and I still think that the Oilers can only get better with these master minds. Patience is the work for the fans at this time. No one knows the team trend and situation better than the coaches and GM, so, be patient to enjoy fruitful outcome later on.

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#61 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:49AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I think JFJ should be a regular, Stone probably as the extra.

But think how much better the team would be if we had JFJ waiting in the wings in the press box/1st call up, with a 29 year old with 6 years expeirence in his place. That way when Moreau really is done (or needs to be sat) we have a competent, capable guy to replace him.... which we don't have now.

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#62 oilfan
November 23 2009, 11:49AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Guys like JFJ and Stone should have been 13th/14th forwards/call ups right now (I think Brule was ready for NHL duty) rather then NHL "regulars" they should have been the ones in the roster on an injury basis, not Potulny/Reddox/O'marra.

I agree 100%. Even when the boys were winning the team was never a playoff team. Comrie is so slow and weak ( maybe because of the flu ). Brule has been great so far. Reddox is probably the only player that knows how to dump and chase. I find it hard to understand why everyone is saying Penner has changed so much since the new coaches, if MacT would have gave Penner PP time like The Duck he would have scored more. Quinn and Renney need to lay the smack down on the bench and in practices and Tambo needs to grow a set

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#63 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:51AM
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X2 wrote:

Th problems have rooted since MacT was here. The culture that the Oilers are having now is the results of 8 years letting slide. Current coaching staffs are still evaluating players and I still think that the Oilers can only get better with these master minds. Patience is the work for the fans at this time. No one knows the team trend and situation better than the coaches and GM, so, be patient to enjoy fruitful outcome later on.

That's laughable, in MacT's earlie days the team was all about effort, intensity and full buy in. The coaching stay the same, the players changed.

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#65 swany
November 23 2009, 11:53AM
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Gregor i agree about Tambo it's hard to make moves in the NEW NHL, add to that our cap problem and it's almost impossible. BUT we have known for over a year that we need to add a guy that can kill penalties and win draws not done. Secondly we have 4 puck movers (when healthy) but we need a Jason Smith type still. #3. we are still very small and don't give me that crap about JFJ and Stone they will not do much it's great they try and have size but we need another Penner type BUT more physical ie Bufglien not as good of hands but stirs up alot of crap hits like a truck and can skate. 4. Our best players must be our best players Penner is off the charts but Horc all though he's trying he's not succeeding. Pattyo is dreadfull so far Gagner gets 3 points one game and then none for 5 or 6 games. All we want for Xmas is a change, we know what this team needs and so does Tambo it's just a fact that nothing can be done because of the cap. There is only one way to get some cap space waive Nilsson put Pies on LTIR (could be done already I never checked) that frees up around 4.5 mil look for a trade with Chicago if possible Ask if Peca is in shape and wants to play here, and trade one of Gilbert or Grebs (when healthy for a really tough hard hitting D-man. Question Gregor does Cogs still have value. And if you were GM for a day who would you target to turn this team around?

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#66 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 11:53AM
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oilfan wrote:

I agree 100%. Even when the boys were winning the team was never a playoff team. Comrie is so slow and weak ( maybe because of the flu ). Brule has been great so far. Reddox is probably the only player that knows how to dump and chase. I find it hard to understand why everyone is saying Penner has changed so much since the new coaches, if MacT would have gave Penner PP time like The Duck he would have scored more. Quinn and Renney need to lay the smack down on the bench and in practices and Tambo needs to grow a set

Regarding Penner:

You don't see how he's changed? He's faster, he's aggressive, he's assertive. He's a completely different player.

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#67 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 23 2009, 11:54AM
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Torres' Faux-Hawk wrote:

Stick to your spreadsheets and leave the interpretations to people with an actual sense for hockey. Numbers aren't everything, and your extreme positions on most things Oilers (ie. Khabi, Tambo) are either done to drum up traffic on here or you're just not that astute. I'm undecided...

Totally uncalled-for. Interpretations are opinions. You can disagree all you want, but most of JW's arguments are fairly well-founded.

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#68 SirFozz
November 23 2009, 11:54AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

No it's actually all Pronger's fault and I can prove it.

If you go through and look at the record of teams records the year AFTER Pronger leaves it's not pretty.

Gets traded from the Mighty Whale to St Louis in 94-95 and the Whale proceed to miss the playoffs the following 2 seasons AND the franchise even moves to Carolina after that - CLEARLY Chris Effing Pronger's fault

CFP gets moved from St Louis to Edmonton after the 04-05 lockout season and the Blues fail to make the playoffs the following 3 seasons.

CFP demands to be let out of Edmonton at the end of the 05-06 season and well we know how the Oil have fared since then.

CFP gets traded from the Ducks to the Flyers at the end of the 08-09 season and the Ducks are currently sitting in last in the Western Confernece.

CFP destroys franchises.

Very nice analysis!

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#69 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 11:56AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

But think how much better the team would be if we had JFJ waiting in the wings in the press box/1st call up, with a 29 year old with 6 years expeirence in his place. That way when Moreau really is done (or needs to be sat) we have a competent, capable guy to replace him.... which we don't have now.

It's apparent that wasn't the plan for this year and not sure how people can't figure this out.

Not singling you out either, but these pieces seem to be so easy to come by what other reason could there be? Seems that once Heatley didn't come, Tambo figured fack it and wanted to see what he has in the organization.

Is no one else seeing this?

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#70 MattL
November 23 2009, 12:00PM
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Jeff wrote:

I am in total and complete awe of the sheer brilliance of this photo.

Well done.

X 2.

But seriously though, TambObama has at least as much of a challenge as the US president, and the stakes are at least half as high. You really can't expect 20 games in, everything will be fixed. I'm really starting to think that the big problem is in the core, Horcoff, Moreau, Staios. This team doesn't play for each other like they did when Gator was captain.

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#71 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 12:01PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

It's apparent that wasn't the plan for this year and not sure how people can't figure this out.

Not singling you out either, but these pieces seem to be so easy to come by what other reason could there be? Seems that once Heatley didn't come, Tambo figured fack it and wanted to see what he has in the organization.

Is no one else seeing this?

I'm not saying that wasn't the plane (bringing up guys from the farm) I'm saying if the team actually wanted to make the playoffs, it shouldn't have been the plan.

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#72 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 12:01PM
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Carolina, Toronto, Anaheim, Minnesota, and St.Louis are all teams doing alot worse then expected what moves have they made?

Teams just don't make moves until x-mas or so, expect in the next few weeks for things to happen but judging by history this is the norm.

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#73 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 12:04PM
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@Ogden Brother

The plan seems to be to start the year with Stone, Jacques and Brule making the team if after x amount games Tambo isn't happy then make the deals. The injuries however may prolong that plan.

There is really no reason why with the team we had to start the year we couldn't fight for the playoffs and make additions closer to the deadline.

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#74 zaitch
November 23 2009, 12:06PM
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*cries inside at the utter stupidity of 90% of these posts....including willis*

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#75 Dan the Man
November 23 2009, 12:07PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Regarding Penner:

You don't see how he's changed? He's faster, he's aggressive, he's assertive. He's a completely different player.

Exactly and I don't really think he's getting much more PP time anyways. Based on his even strength numbers alone (On pace for 32 G 25 A)if he continues at his current pace he will up with more points than last years PP and ES totals combined.

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#76 Oil Country
November 23 2009, 12:10PM
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Tambo probably expected the younger core of guys to improve. So far this season Gagner, Cogs, Patty O, Bobby etc. have done nothing to show improvements in the points production. They need to start producing. Too often they are invisible on the ice.

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#77 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 23 2009, 12:11PM
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Suggestion for a stats analysis:

Willis, could you possibly do something up comparing the numbers between Edmonton and Anaheim?

On casual inspection, Anaheim appears to have all the pieces they need (and player-to-player they should be better than Edmonton, I think), but they're sitting dead-last in the West.

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#78 SirFozz
November 23 2009, 12:11PM
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zaitch wrote:

*cries inside at the utter stupidity of 90% of these posts....including willis*

Thanks for adding to the 90!

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#79 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 12:12PM
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@Torres' Faux-Hawk

Please explain what the extreme positions (both for and against) and the moderate centre positions are on Tambellini and Khabibulin and I'll think about what you said.

Here's my idea of what those spectrums are:

Khabibulin

One end: He's a washed up has-been when he isn't hurt Centre: He has a track record of injury problems, he's 36 and he's an average to above average goaltender when healthy. Other end: He's a STANLEY CUP-winning top-five NHL goaltender.

I think I'm in the middle there. Maybe your spectrum is different.

Tambellini

One end: He's a washed up has-been who couldn't get a job in Vancouver and shouldn't have got one in Edmonton Centre: He's been overly-cautious in making changes and has yet to fix the teams problems. Other end: He's an amazing GM who would easily get this team on track except that free agents don't like Edmonton and there are a bunch of cap issues that aren't at all his fault.

Again, I'm in the middle. If your spectrum is different, please let me know.

If your spectrums aren't different, what exactly are you so pissy about?

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#80 Crust
November 23 2009, 12:28PM
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Generally, a change in culture is initiated by management. They agree to do everything in their power to provide the tools that are needed in order for the players to compete. The players agree to do whatever necessary to win. So far, no one is doing what is required. Management is sitting back waiting and evaluating, while the players are waiting for the tools. Stalemate.

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#81 AO
November 23 2009, 12:31PM
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I have to side with Jonathan on this one. His point was more that Quinn would be in a position to take over the GM reigns if Tambo doesn't do something. I think that is a better chance of that scenario playing out. Maybe not this year but surely next.

What should he do? Well you say that a 4th line center won't make the difference or a veteran physcial winger won't help but then you imply that JFJ and Stone are what is hurting this team's performance. That reasoning alone tell's you we don't have enough JFJ's or Stone's on this team and more are required to make this team better. Hence, Tambo better get cracking and find the 4mth line center or another physcial winger.

No one is suggesting that 1 center makes us Stanley Cup contenders but with this team the only thing we will contend for is a lottery pick. That is pretty obvious...

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#82 Nesquik
November 23 2009, 12:31PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Lovely use of stats as always. Philly has allowed the same amount of PP Goals, and are a .8 percent better at the stopping the PP. Maybe conclusion reached before hypothesis? One good vs bad night and it is a wash!

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#83 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 12:33PM
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@ AO:

I appreciate the support, but it was actually Lowetide/Black Dog Hates Skunks who suggested Quinn could become the GM. Personally, I think that's wishful thinking on their part.

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#84 AO
November 23 2009, 12:36PM
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@ Jonathan

Understood. I read the Lowetide post and inferred from Gregor's post that you were in that camp as well...

Either way, I think the calls for action are definitely warranted. Fans have seen enough and it seems like so has the coaching staff..

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#85 Oiler Fan '78
November 23 2009, 12:39PM
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This team lacks passion and desire! There is not too many current Oilers who love to put on their jersey each game and fight for each other game in and game out. If you look at some of the "Younger" teams in the league - EI: Chicago. They are ready to battle each night and there is nothing stopping them. Win or Lose, if this team wants respect - they should battle and leave nothing on the ice. No real fan would be disappointed in the results if the Oilers just tried. One last point - when the Oilers make it to the playoff's - They Skate, Hit anything that moves and they hustle. It works! So, why not do this during the regular season?

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#86 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 12:40PM
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@ Nesquik

Basically, it works out to four goals over the course of a year. The difference is that while we expect Philadelphia to improve (they were a top five team last year) we don't really expect Edmonton to get better.

From 367 days ago, this article, complaining about the Oilers PK. At the time I suggested giving them more time to get it turned around, but at this point it's obvious they need some help. They were miserable last year and they've been miserable so far this year.

Hence, I'd argue that adding a PK'er this summer would have helped the team.

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#87 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 23 2009, 12:43PM
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AO wrote:

I have to side with Jonathan on this one. His point was more that Quinn would be in a position to take over the GM reigns if Tambo doesn't do something. I think that is a better chance of that scenario playing out. Maybe not this year but surely next.

What should he do? Well you say that a 4th line center won't make the difference or a veteran physcial winger won't help but then you imply that JFJ and Stone are what is hurting this team's performance. That reasoning alone tell's you we don't have enough JFJ's or Stone's on this team and more are required to make this team better. Hence, Tambo better get cracking and find the 4mth line center or another physcial winger.

No one is suggesting that 1 center makes us Stanley Cup contenders but with this team the only thing we will contend for is a lottery pick. That is pretty obvious...

is contending for a lottery pick really that bad of an outcome?

i would suspect a large number of fans would rather have a top 3 pick than the usual just make/miss the playoffs and pick 10-16th

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#88 spOILer
November 23 2009, 12:43PM
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JayDub just knocking it out of the park this morning. Dead on, Jon, keep up the good work.

Love how Gregor reduced the 2nd tough minutes PK FO guy down to 4C FO specialist and ignored the PK and 2nd level EVCOMP completely.

Love how Gregor completely ignored the unsustainable nature of the Oiler's first two weeks.

Love how Gregor addressed how Tamby addressed the team's cap issues this summer which are presently binding them in any possible improvement.

That's how you build cred in the Oilogosphere.

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#89 hamzinoilcntry
November 23 2009, 12:43PM
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As i sit here and read page after page of the same drival year in and year out. I have finally had enough. "Tambo needs to trade so and so." "Kevin Lowe is to blame." "Fire MacT". Does anybody understand that this is not NHL 2K10. We are not getting Ovechkin and Crosby for Ethan Moreau and Steve Stais and Robbie Schremp's old jock strap. Not gonna happen. What we are realizing is that the NHL has became a bit more of a level playing field. Look at the teams that are ahead of us in the standings. Phoenix makes a coaching change has a bunch of 3rd and 4th line pluggers and Shane Doan and have managed to put together a nice string of wins. Are they on pace to make the play offs I think it's to early to tell. We have seen the wheels come off with injuries or maybe the flu.......

There is still a ton of hockey to be played and as we get guys back and back to 100% we are going to start piecing a win streak of our own together.

Seriously if all you want to do is complain about the team stop watching it.

I am sure Steve Tambalini lays awake at night worrying about what mindless clones are saying on this site and evey other open forum.

I for one think the "Glory Years" are to blame. People need to move past them. you are never going to see a team like that assembled again not in hockey not in any sport. Be glad you got to witness it. But thinking that Tom Gilbert is too soft and by trading him for who ever we are going to get another Paul Coffey your on crack.

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#90 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 12:43PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

The plan seems to be to start the year with Stone, Jacques and Brule making the team if after x amount games Tambo isn't happy then make the deals. The injuries however may prolong that plan.

There is really no reason why with the team we had to start the year we couldn't fight for the playoffs and make additions closer to the deadline.

Seems like poor planning though, those guys were (likely) far more easily available during the summer... and for the most part teams actually had leverage - so they could get small, short term deals.

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#91 darwic
November 23 2009, 12:52PM
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If we wait to game 40..it may be too late. After going to the colorado game and watching how soft Tom Gilbert played...he was pushed off the puck many times, and even more astonishing he..didn,t do re-act or fight back..he was as much a specttor as the other 17,000 fans.

These guys are pros and the reason they are in the NHL..we tolerate too many excuses of there poor play and better coaching. The over all problem in my eyes...and..yes ..my opinion...the extra effort is not there and they do enough just to get by.

Years ago..when slats was still gm..a question was asked to him and the answer it still echoes truth today!! REPORTER: Glen what would be your christmas wish to improve thw Nhl..this year?

Glen: I wish the players would give 110% effort for the contracts they have!!!

Great point, not coaching, refs, talent....simply Effort ..it what seperates good and great players!! Have we seen a player hussle on the ice as much as a Mactavish?

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#92 Nesquik
November 23 2009, 12:52PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I agree our PK must be better. I take no issue with that claim. However, don't misrepresent the stats to make your case. That is all.

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#93 Ogden Brother
November 23 2009, 12:55PM
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X 2.

But seriously though, TambObama has at least as much of a challenge as the US president, and the stakes are at least half as high. You really can't expect 20 games in, everything will be fixed. I'm really starting to think that the big problem is in the core, Horcoff, Moreau, Staios. This team doesn't play for each other like they did when Gator was captain.

That doesn't make sense, those were the only guys around when the team actually did play for each other. I'd also guess they (for the most part) the only guys that play with heart today.

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#94 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 23 2009, 01:10PM
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Like I said I really think Tambo wanted to give what we had a chance to see what they can do. Now I want to see how he goes forward from here.

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#95 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 01:12PM
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A great read I couldn't resist passing along:

Spreadsheet-loving blogger vs. NHL ex-GM.

And I'm not even the spreadsheet-loving blogger; that would be one of our friends over at FlamesNation.

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#96 Victoria
November 23 2009, 01:13PM
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The thing that burns my butt about Tambi was how he went from that passionate (rather po'd) guy who promised change on this team when he fired MacT last spring. I remember everyone being impressed with what he had to say, how he was going to address the glaring problems the team had.

Fast forward past an uneventful summer and one giant fallen through attemp-a-trade and suddenly Steve's talking like this is a solid team.

WTF did I miss?

It seems to me like the only reason he's saying this crap now is because he was unsuccessful in his job this summer. So the way I see it, he was either giving us bull last spring or he's giving us bull now.

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#99 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 01:24PM
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Speaking of quick decisions:

"If you look out into the larger world of hockey, we want to be nimble, we want to be able to do things."

Any idea which Oilers' executive said that, and when?

It was Patrick Laforge, on August 1, 2008. Here's the rest of the quote:

"Hiring Steve Tambellini was a three-day decision, something that would have taken a long time and a lot of conference calls to get done before."
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#100 Jonathan Willis
November 23 2009, 01:26PM
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And I don't think most people want to see Tambellini fired. Personally, I figure he gets to at least this summer, and possibly longer.

Even the people suggesting he will be fired seem to base that on Katz's desire to have a playoff team and the fact that in a certain light Pat Quinn looks like a guy who might move on the job.

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