UPDATED! Mr Poopy Pants II: Dany Comes Calling

Robin Brownlee
November 26 2009 09:29PM

HERE IT IS OFFICIALLY, as per Oilers release: OILERS HEMSKY TO HAVE SURGERY General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today right winger Ales Hemsky will undergo surgery to repair his left shoulder. Hemsky, 26, has played in 22 games this season recording seven goals and 15 assists.  The Pardubice,Czech native has played his entire career with the Oilers skating in 443 games, tallying 353 points, including his 100th career goal on November 23 vs. the Phoenix Coyotes.

UPDATE FROM ROBIN B (12:42 MST):  Given Quinn's reaction to the question about surgery being needed for Hemsky, we can only wait and see on this one. I'm trying to provide ON readers with the most up-to-date stuff here and I felt based on what I was told and who told me it was worth posting. The rumour spread pretty quickly among reporters this morning and I don't know if other outlets posted items, but they were certainly all over it when word got out. All I can tell you is my info didn't come from that "Did you hear about Hemsky?" buzz among reporters. All I can say at this point is I'm still inclined to believe what I was told -- I don't see why Hemsky would meet with doctors today to discuss the MRI if the opinion was "it'll be fine with 10 days rest."  If the team provides an update, you'll get it here.

FURTHER UPDATE (11:26 MST): The Oilers have not confirmed the need for Hemsky to have surgery. At his availability with media after the morning skate, Coach Pat Quinn said Hemsky is meeting with doctors today to discuss the results of Thursday's MRI. When asked about the possibility of surgery for Hemsky, Quinn said, "I'm not aware of anything like that." Stay tuned for more details over the day.

UPDATE FROM BROWNLEE (10:30 MST): I'm hearing that Ales Hemsky will need surgery and is likely done for the rest of the season. No official word from the Oilers yet. Will update later.

Fans can boo Dany Heatley until their vocal chords are raw and they spew $8 beers Friday, but chances are he's going to get the last laugh when the San Jose Sharks beat the Edmonton Oilers at Rexall Place.>

The fact is, Heatley, who flipped off the Oilers last summer when he refused to waive a no-movement clause that would have brought him to Edmonton from the Ottawa Senators for Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid, is already laughing out loud at our expense because he got what he wanted -- and that wasn't the City of Champions.

Heatley's playing for a better team than the Oilers in the Western Conference leading Sharks. He's drawing his $8-million salary in the Silicon Valley, away from the fanatical fishbowl-like existence that is Edmonton. And, just to rub it in, he's among NHL leaders with 18 goals and 29 points.

I'm relatively certain, then, Heatley will manage to stay composed when an angry Oilers faithful gets after him before, during and after the Sharks take out their frustrations on the Oilers after losing 7-2 to Chicago Wednesday.

"Heatley sucks. Heatley sucks." Yes, that'll shake him up.

Just another game

I'm guessing Heatley will spin Friday as just another game when reporters ask about his first visit to Edmonton since he queered the deal and made Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini beg last summer.

The Oilers, still stinging from Wednesday's 3-1 loss to the Los Angeles Kings, certainly did so this morning when asked about Heatley. What else are they going to say? "Screw you, Heater. You could have been a part of this . . ."

"It's one of those things that got made up bigger than it probably should have," coach Pat Quinn said.

"It was an attempt to bring Heatley to this hockey club. It didn't happen. You move on. It should be gone. It doesn't matter. He's a good player. He's a good kid, but he plays for someone else. We don't care about that."

With the Oilers slipping out of playoff contention with four wins and a 4-10-2 record in their last 16 games, Quinn's take is the pragmatic approach. He's certainly got bigger problems.

Fans, though, will want their pound of flesh, even if trying to collect it will come on a night when Heatley and the Sharks are likely to put the wood to the Oilers after getting embarrassed by Chicago. If Matt Greene can stick it to his former team, I shudder to think what Heatley might do.

Good luck with that.

That's leadership

When reporters asked Quinn this morning why so many players were missing for a workout at Millennium Place, he said he wanted to rest players who'd been playing a lot of minutes during a stretch that'll see the Oilers play four games in six nights.

Sorry coach, not buying that reasoning, not with the Oilers having days off between their last three games and with two days off before they play six straight games on the road.

Every able-bodied player should have been on the ice today. No problem with Ales Hemsky, injured on a dirty hit by Michal Handzus, not being there. That goes without saying. For that matter, the same goes for Shawn Horcoff, who has been playing with a bad shoulder.

But what good reason, unless there are injuries we haven't been told about, is there for captain Ethan Moreau, Steve Staios, Sheldon Souray and Dustin Penner not to be on the ice with the kids and the grunts today after stiffing against the Kings? Lubomir Visnovsky, who plays eight minutes more a night than the captain, practised, but not Moreau? Not Penner?

And . . .

-- Manny Malhotra, signed by the Sharks for a bargain basement $700,000 after pricing himself out of the UFA market early in the summer, is winning face-offs at a 60.8 per cent clip in San Jose. He's scored 4-4-8. Think the Oilers could have got him for less than the $1.25 million they offered Mike Comrie?

-- Robert Nilsson, Marc Pouliot and Ryan Stone all skated today. Nilsson put in extra work and was one of the last players off the ice. Can't see him being ready for San Jose, not with Ryan O'Marra and Colin McDonald summoned from Springfield.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

 

 

 

General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today right winger Ales Hemsky will undergo surgery to repair his left shoulder. Hemsky, 26, has played in 22 games this season recording seven goals and 15 assists.  The Pardubice,Czech native has played his entire career with the Oilers skating in 443 games, tallying 353 points, including his 100th career goal on November 23 vs. the Phoenix Coyotes.

 

 

 

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#1 druds
November 26 2009, 09:37PM
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Brownie, why are you so hard on Mr.Quinn? The poor bugger is already questioning his sanity for signing on to this car wreck called the Oilers. If half the team decides to stay in bed instead of practice,who can blame them? Who the hell wants to skate around with those losers?

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#2 Jonathan Willis
November 26 2009, 09:41PM
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@druds

Because they're paid millions of dollars to help win hockey games and they aren't getting the job done?

Personally, I blame management more than the current players, but they shouldn't be taking days off.

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#3 Jonathan Willis
November 26 2009, 09:42PM
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Lubomir Visnovsky, who plays nine minutes more a night than the captain, practised, but not Moreau?

And that's just ridiculous.

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#5 dragon
November 26 2009, 10:15PM
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@Robin Brownlee

This brings back memories of season past when it was quite clear something doesn't 'gel' in this Oilers locker.

Quinn started something at the beginning of the season, but doesn't seem to have improved anything.

How difficult is in today's NHL to change a couple of vets (I'm assuming that will kick the remaining ones out of their comfort zone)?

I'd really like to see what likes of Gags, Cogs and even Nils can do in a different atmosphere.

Assuming, of course we still have a leadership issue, last-year vets and all...

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#6 Dan the Man
November 26 2009, 10:28PM
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Somehow I don't think the vets on the Sharks or Wings would be taking the day off of practice after losing a game they needed to win.

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#7 Eddie Shore
November 26 2009, 10:35PM
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@Dan the Man

So very true. Then again, what have the "vets" on this team ever won? Who lead them when they were raw rookies? Not exactly the same as Yzerman and Lidstrom was it? This team (all players) should be on the ice everyday. No optional skates until their game starts improving. Time to draw a line in the sand Quinn.

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#8 Garett
November 26 2009, 10:36PM
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Common guys, Moreau was resting his wrists and forearms from all the blue line wristers and snappers he let go last night! What a waste of ice time. Let's rebuild so there is a light at the end of the tunnel, because being at the cap roof and not seeing any light or promise of better days is getting me down in this economic downturn! Crappy economy, crappy Oilers team, crappy, crappy, crappy...

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#9 jave_911
November 26 2009, 10:40PM
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At least we have a reason to watch some of the game tomorrow.

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#10 TonyT
November 26 2009, 10:50PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Hey Brownlee,

truth be told, I'd be fine with a top 5 pick. However, it would still be nice to have something to believe in this year. Do you see any changes forthcoming, or is Tambellini and co. still "finding out why they've got"?

Thanks

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#11 Ogden Brother
November 26 2009, 10:52PM
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Why on earth are people blaming "the vets" for having the day off? This is Quinns team and his job to have able bodied players practicing.

@RB

Is it just me, or does this year seem to have alot more "days off" (either whole team or partial) then years past?

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#12 GSC
November 26 2009, 10:59PM
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Watch the Oilers show up and play a decent game against San Jose, giving everyone a glimmer of hope and making the masses forget for one night just how mediocre this franchise really is...and then everyone will be snapped back into reality when the Oil lay another egg against the Canucks.

It's almost too easy to predict...

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#13 Jeff
November 26 2009, 11:11PM
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Robin,

I shudder to think you were on to something with the "we don't think so" comment from Monday's post. Today's events are even more disappointing considering the veterans-only meeting just a couple days ago, never mind the poor effort against LA. Here's hoping there's little nagging injuries out there that we don't know about. You know the season's going badly when you're hoping for injuries...

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#14 Rob
November 26 2009, 11:20PM
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As if Oiler fans don't have enough to think about, the Kostitsyns are in the Score Rumours report again. Tambo was mentioned as being interested. A few weeks ago a group of Oiler scouts were at several Hab's games,supposedly. The article is probably one step above Eklund but is Tambo that stupid? That's what we need in Edmonton a PAIR of moody,lazy indifferent Russkies infesting the dressing room. There isn't even a word in Russian for 'reliable'.

Perish the thought!

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#16 The Real Scuba Steve
November 26 2009, 11:44PM
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Come on guys Tambellini assured us on NHL.com That "The scoring will come when we have more balance in our lineup and that's just getting some bodies back," we have nothing to worry about.... ):

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#17 Tooles
November 27 2009, 12:23AM
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НАДЕЖНЫЙ - Reliable, safe, secure. Thanks internet!

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#18 Skidplate
November 27 2009, 04:53AM
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Brownlee, I think it would have taken more than $1.25 mil to sign Malhotra. Same story, we have to overpay for UFA's to consider playing in the great white north.

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#19 Petr's Jofa
November 27 2009, 05:20AM
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@Skidplate

Malhotra is making $700k on the Sharks. Paying him Comrie's $1.25 million is an increase of $525,000 or you could look at it as a 75% raise... I think that would be an adequate overpay for the Great White North.

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#20 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 27 2009, 06:38AM
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

Malhotra is making $700k on the Sharks. Paying him Comrie's $1.25 million is an increase of $525,000 or you could look at it as a 75% raise... I think that would be an adequate overpay for the Great White North.

would you rather make 700k, live on the beach, and play for a really good team

or

make 1.25mil, freeze your tits off, have the fans all over you, and play for a team that sh*ts all over itself at every opportunity.

i would take option #1 11 times out of 10

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#21 -30-
November 27 2009, 06:46AM
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Isn't the common thread with the "leaders" that missed practice that they all had awful games against LA?

There's obviously something other than giving these guys a rest.

Is it punishment? Is it sending a message?

Is it trying to change the culture of the locker room by sending a not so subtle message?

-30-

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#22 Jonathan Willis
November 27 2009, 07:03AM
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@Rob

It's a report that's come from a few different MSM outlets (in the case Garrioch and Bucky Gleason in Buffalo) before getting picked up by The Score.

I don't like it, but the Oilers' being interested in S. Kostitsyn based on past history with Gagner seems to have some truth to it (that's been repeated elsewhere by people who couldn't confirm or deny the rumour). I hate it because I seem to recall Robert Nilsson having some past chemistry with Gagner and look at how that's worked out.

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#23 BUCK75
November 27 2009, 07:06AM
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Well after lasts seasons games against SJ w/o Dink Face on their team we had some problems. 1-3 record, the only win a game we had no business winning on HNIC. But they are one of the teams we actually have a decent record against since the lock-out.

SJ has almost 4x more goals than us this season. Predictable boo-birds every time Heatley touches the puck, Oilers security taking away any clever or witty signs & Oilers losing 6-2 tonight.

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#24 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 27 2009, 07:08AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It's a report that's come from a few different MSM outlets (in the case Garrioch and Bucky Gleason in Buffalo) before getting picked up by The Score.

I don't like it, but the Oilers' being interested in S. Kostitsyn based on past history with Gagner seems to have some truth to it (that's been repeated elsewhere by people who couldn't confirm or deny the rumour). I hate it because I seem to recall Robert Nilsson having some past chemistry with Gagner and look at how that's worked out.

well, if garrioch had it, we can safely say it isnt going to happen and probably isnt true.

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#25 Crust
November 27 2009, 07:23AM
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It would be more insulting to Heatly if the fans would cheer him instead. Let him know that, despite his scoring ways, we still prefer Penner, Smid and Cogs.

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#26 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 07:38AM
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Obviously Quinn is giving his vet players a rest who he considers are working hard every night. Aren't those the exact same 7 that had the meeting with Quinn?

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#27 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 07:41AM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

I thought Malhotra made it pretty clear that option 1 is what he was going to do when he didn't sign for 2mil a year in Atlanta, where he wouldn't freeze his tits off and where they have no fans to care what he does.

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#28 Hemmercules
November 27 2009, 07:48AM
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I don't think we even had a shot at Manny, Comrie only wanted to play here because he had no other options. Manny obviously had options that were better than edmonton, can you blame the guy for going to SJ???

If there is any divide in the dressing room I'm sure its not getting better with Quinn giving half the team the day off. Play as a team, win as a team, lose as a team. If Moreau deserves the day off so does everyone else IMO.

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#29 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 07:57AM
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Way off topic, but maybe Gregor or Brownlee have the answer. Jesse lumsden, how is it he is bob sleding but never played football for the esks?

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#30 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 07:59AM
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@Hemmercules

IMO, Moreau has been one of the better Oiler forwards the last few games.

But I do agree on this splitting practice crap.

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#32 Hemmercules
November 27 2009, 08:06AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

IMO, Moreau has been one of the better Oiler forwards the last few games.

But I do agree on this splitting practice crap.

Agree, he has looked alot better since the "meeting". I still don't get the split practice, if I'm Moreau I'm setting an example and praticing my ass off, especially after that craptastic game vs LA.

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#33 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 27 2009, 08:07AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I thought Malhotra made it pretty clear that option 1 is what he was going to do when he didn't sign for 2mil a year in Atlanta, where he wouldn't freeze his tits off and where they have no fans to care what he does.

you missed point #3

and play for a team that sh*ts all over itself at every opportunity.

fairly safe to assume atlanta would be in the same category as edmonton as far as success over the last 3ish seasons.

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#34 Hemmercules
November 27 2009, 08:16AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

How many options did Malhotra really have when he ended up taking a 50 per cent pay cut as a UFA?

I'm not trying to fire up the "divide in the room" talk again, but I don't see the logic in having the veteran core of the team take the day off, given what's been a less-than-gruelling schedule 25 games into the season.

As for Quinn's 20-minute threshold in deciding who should practice, that doesn't add up when you look at Visnovsky's ice time versus Moreau's, both in the game against LA and for the season. If Quinn made Thursday an optional practice and the same group of guys chose not to skate -- again -- he should just say it.

I didn't mean to imply that Malhotra had tons of options, just that a paycut + SJ for one year (or another decent team) was alot more enticing than a lost Oilers squad in northern Alberta for $750 000 more. Does anyone know if Tambo even inquired about Malhotra??

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#35 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 08:18AM
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@Hemmercules

Probably not, they didn't even go for Betts who is considered one of the best PK guys in the game, and he was just sitting around(in sherwood park) waiting for a contract.

It has become apparent that they thought they could fix this problem from within.

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#36 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 08:20AM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I didn't mean to imply that Malhotra had tons of options, just that a paycut + SJ for one year (or another decent team) was alot more enticing than a lost Oilers squad in northern Alberta for $750 000 more. Does anyone know if Tambo even inquired about Malhotra??

I thought it came out over the summer that Tambo inquired and the answer was - No thanks.

?

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#37 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 08:24AM
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@Ogden Brother

If that is true then why wouldn't Tambo sign one of the other 2 dozen similar players?

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#38 Rick
November 27 2009, 08:50AM
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@Robin Brownlee

The 20 minute threshold doesn't cut it in Moreau's case no matter what so there is no comment on that one.

However, I wonder if in Visnovsky's case if he was given the opportunity to take the practice off but decided to take to the ice anyways.

If so, perhaps all the talk amongst fans regarding Souray being the true leader on this team should get shifted to Visnovsky? In terms of longe term payback, that kind of example would likely pay off better than almost anything else.

Then again, Visnovsky not being included in the leaders meeting on the weekend, combined with him on the ice yesterday could suggest a much different opinion of him by Quinn.

I dunno, can anyone figure this frigg'n team out?

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#39 Kieso
November 27 2009, 08:51AM
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@ Robin Rrownlee

“At the beginning of the summer, I talked with my wife and we decided to make the commitment to go somewhere we could win now,” he said. “When an opportunity like coming to San Jose comes about, you jump at that.”

No this was not a comment by the human rake but rather a comment by Malholtra (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/2009/09/23/nny-malhotra-is-officially-a-shark-and-his-salary-fits-in-under-the-salary-cap/)

Based on this comment I suspect that Oilers had no shot at him this year no matter what interest the Oilers might/might not have had in him.

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#40 roughneck
November 27 2009, 09:08AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

If that is true then why wouldn't Tambo sign one of the other 2 dozen similar players?

Hey....... its just like last year!

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#41 I'm a Scientist!
November 27 2009, 09:15AM
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Quinn: Alright boys... that was a terrible effort against LA, you let Matt Greene score for godsake. Tomorrow we are going to have a practice. I had success with the Canadian Jr team and at those practices it was always the young fellers that showed up... that is what i want to see tomorrow, young fellers.

Moreau: Err...umm... what about me? Should i be there to show support and leadership by practicing my ass off?

Quinn: No, you're old... not as old as me, but if you are half as tired as i am, you need a day of rest. Go home and try and fix your eye.

Souray: Hey coach... i am just getting back from injury, so i would like to come out and keep getting back in shape.

Quinn: Nope, old. Go home, and for godsake, shave those sideburns!

Visnovsky: Alright! I am old which means a day off for me! Who wants a margarita?

Quinn: Not so fast baby face... you look young. I don't remember who you are, but it looks like you can't grow a moustache...in fact all of you that can't grow a moustache --- I am looking at you Gagner--- Practice tomorrow.

Stortini: Ok, i am old and i look like teen wolf...is there an issue poppa?

Quinn: Ya, you suck.

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#42 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 09:15AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

If that is true then why wouldn't Tambo sign one of the other 2 dozen similar players?

Hmmmm, maybe I'm thinking about Atl.

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#43 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 09:19AM
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@Ogden Brother

Not saying you are wrong, but you see what I mean.

I still say give Peca a call and at the very least he can teach some of these guys, kinda like Oates did with Stoll and Horcoff.

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#44 Oiler Country
November 27 2009, 09:23AM
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Can we not fire players? Has that ever been done in the NHL, not fired as in Avery fired where he was still paid regardless if he's in the NHL or not, but goodbye, no more of your services needed? Look, I understand why there is no firings and I'm not particularly talking about the oilers players, but I'm talking about the players in the NHL. You know, the ones whom take their salaries and grin, while they half-ass their effort and everything on the ice. No, I'm not talking about Horcoff.

Moreau should have skated and it should have been pressed upon him that he should have been there, regardless of shift. Penner should have skated, yes he's now our only "best" player but what is this saying to the rest of the team? Vis skated and he's a gem of a player and he played way more than Moreau as RB eluded to.

Sometimes I don't "get" the players. Where's Donald Trump when you need him to say his illustrious words... "You're fired!".

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#45 The Fish
November 27 2009, 09:24AM
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Who gives a flying f**k who practiced, Brownlee. These guys probably have injuries that you know nothing about.

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#46 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 09:31AM
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Oiler Country wrote:

Can we not fire players? Has that ever been done in the NHL, not fired as in Avery fired where he was still paid regardless if he's in the NHL or not, but goodbye, no more of your services needed? Look, I understand why there is no firings and I'm not particularly talking about the oilers players, but I'm talking about the players in the NHL. You know, the ones whom take their salaries and grin, while they half-ass their effort and everything on the ice. No, I'm not talking about Horcoff.

Moreau should have skated and it should have been pressed upon him that he should have been there, regardless of shift. Penner should have skated, yes he's now our only "best" player but what is this saying to the rest of the team? Vis skated and he's a gem of a player and he played way more than Moreau as RB eluded to.

Sometimes I don't "get" the players. Where's Donald Trump when you need him to say his illustrious words... "You're fired!".

Guaranteed contracts.

It happens all the time in the NFL, because they don't have them. NHL does.

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#47 BUCK75
November 27 2009, 09:32AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

It has become apparent that they thought they could fix this problem from within.

By changing the coach. Maybe now it's time to start in another direction. Robin has been writing the same thing for over a year already! This is a quote taken from his article on 02/03/09.

“You have to get better from the inside. We have to get better as a group (and) individually. That’s the only way you’ll be able to sustain something… it’s difficult. Teams are looking for energy players. Teams are looking for defencemen. They’re looking for top-six forwards." -- GM Steve Tambellini, Feb. 2, 2009

http://oilersnation.com/2009/2/3/enough-already

We changed the coach & we tried the getting better from within, now we need to decide a direction. Rebuild or gut the team & rebuild & reload.

*Sits back in chair & kicks feet up on Tambellini's desk*

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#48 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 27 2009, 09:42AM
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@BUCK75

Do we consider 25 games giving it a chance? I really don't know. I just hope that between the 25 coaches and management type people that we actually have a plan, even if it means not letting the fans know about it.

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#49 BUCK75
November 27 2009, 09:42AM
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Doesn't this sound familiar too...

http://oilersnation.com/2008/11/24/tick-tick-tick

This is what it will be like Come the middle of December again this year too I bet.

http://oilersnation.com/2008/12/18/the-to-do-list

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#50 rubbertrout
November 27 2009, 09:46AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It's a report that's come from a few different MSM outlets (in the case Garrioch and Bucky Gleason in Buffalo) before getting picked up by The Score.

I don't like it, but the Oilers' being interested in S. Kostitsyn based on past history with Gagner seems to have some truth to it (that's been repeated elsewhere by people who couldn't confirm or deny the rumour). I hate it because I seem to recall Robert Nilsson having some past chemistry with Gagner and look at how that's worked out.

Didn't Robbie Schremp have chemistry with Gagner?

I don't like where this is headed.

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