UPDATED! Mr Poopy Pants II: Dany Comes Calling

Robin Brownlee
November 26 2009 09:29PM

HERE IT IS OFFICIALLY, as per Oilers release: OILERS HEMSKY TO HAVE SURGERY General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today right winger Ales Hemsky will undergo surgery to repair his left shoulder. Hemsky, 26, has played in 22 games this season recording seven goals and 15 assists.  The Pardubice,Czech native has played his entire career with the Oilers skating in 443 games, tallying 353 points, including his 100th career goal on November 23 vs. the Phoenix Coyotes.

UPDATE FROM ROBIN B (12:42 MST):  Given Quinn's reaction to the question about surgery being needed for Hemsky, we can only wait and see on this one. I'm trying to provide ON readers with the most up-to-date stuff here and I felt based on what I was told and who told me it was worth posting. The rumour spread pretty quickly among reporters this morning and I don't know if other outlets posted items, but they were certainly all over it when word got out. All I can tell you is my info didn't come from that "Did you hear about Hemsky?" buzz among reporters. All I can say at this point is I'm still inclined to believe what I was told -- I don't see why Hemsky would meet with doctors today to discuss the MRI if the opinion was "it'll be fine with 10 days rest."  If the team provides an update, you'll get it here.

FURTHER UPDATE (11:26 MST): The Oilers have not confirmed the need for Hemsky to have surgery. At his availability with media after the morning skate, Coach Pat Quinn said Hemsky is meeting with doctors today to discuss the results of Thursday's MRI. When asked about the possibility of surgery for Hemsky, Quinn said, "I'm not aware of anything like that." Stay tuned for more details over the day.

UPDATE FROM BROWNLEE (10:30 MST): I'm hearing that Ales Hemsky will need surgery and is likely done for the rest of the season. No official word from the Oilers yet. Will update later.

Fans can boo Dany Heatley until their vocal chords are raw and they spew $8 beers Friday, but chances are he's going to get the last laugh when the San Jose Sharks beat the Edmonton Oilers at Rexall Place.>

The fact is, Heatley, who flipped off the Oilers last summer when he refused to waive a no-movement clause that would have brought him to Edmonton from the Ottawa Senators for Dustin Penner, Andrew Cogliano and Ladislav Smid, is already laughing out loud at our expense because he got what he wanted -- and that wasn't the City of Champions.

Heatley's playing for a better team than the Oilers in the Western Conference leading Sharks. He's drawing his $8-million salary in the Silicon Valley, away from the fanatical fishbowl-like existence that is Edmonton. And, just to rub it in, he's among NHL leaders with 18 goals and 29 points.

I'm relatively certain, then, Heatley will manage to stay composed when an angry Oilers faithful gets after him before, during and after the Sharks take out their frustrations on the Oilers after losing 7-2 to Chicago Wednesday.

"Heatley sucks. Heatley sucks." Yes, that'll shake him up.

Just another game

I'm guessing Heatley will spin Friday as just another game when reporters ask about his first visit to Edmonton since he queered the deal and made Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini beg last summer.

The Oilers, still stinging from Wednesday's 3-1 loss to the Los Angeles Kings, certainly did so this morning when asked about Heatley. What else are they going to say? "Screw you, Heater. You could have been a part of this . . ."

"It's one of those things that got made up bigger than it probably should have," coach Pat Quinn said.

"It was an attempt to bring Heatley to this hockey club. It didn't happen. You move on. It should be gone. It doesn't matter. He's a good player. He's a good kid, but he plays for someone else. We don't care about that."

With the Oilers slipping out of playoff contention with four wins and a 4-10-2 record in their last 16 games, Quinn's take is the pragmatic approach. He's certainly got bigger problems.

Fans, though, will want their pound of flesh, even if trying to collect it will come on a night when Heatley and the Sharks are likely to put the wood to the Oilers after getting embarrassed by Chicago. If Matt Greene can stick it to his former team, I shudder to think what Heatley might do.

Good luck with that.

That's leadership

When reporters asked Quinn this morning why so many players were missing for a workout at Millennium Place, he said he wanted to rest players who'd been playing a lot of minutes during a stretch that'll see the Oilers play four games in six nights.

Sorry coach, not buying that reasoning, not with the Oilers having days off between their last three games and with two days off before they play six straight games on the road.

Every able-bodied player should have been on the ice today. No problem with Ales Hemsky, injured on a dirty hit by Michal Handzus, not being there. That goes without saying. For that matter, the same goes for Shawn Horcoff, who has been playing with a bad shoulder.

But what good reason, unless there are injuries we haven't been told about, is there for captain Ethan Moreau, Steve Staios, Sheldon Souray and Dustin Penner not to be on the ice with the kids and the grunts today after stiffing against the Kings? Lubomir Visnovsky, who plays eight minutes more a night than the captain, practised, but not Moreau? Not Penner?

And . . .

-- Manny Malhotra, signed by the Sharks for a bargain basement $700,000 after pricing himself out of the UFA market early in the summer, is winning face-offs at a 60.8 per cent clip in San Jose. He's scored 4-4-8. Think the Oilers could have got him for less than the $1.25 million they offered Mike Comrie?

-- Robert Nilsson, Marc Pouliot and Ryan Stone all skated today. Nilsson put in extra work and was one of the last players off the ice. Can't see him being ready for San Jose, not with Ryan O'Marra and Colin McDonald summoned from Springfield.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

 

 

 

General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today right winger Ales Hemsky will undergo surgery to repair his left shoulder. Hemsky, 26, has played in 22 games this season recording seven goals and 15 assists.  The Pardubice,Czech native has played his entire career with the Oilers skating in 443 games, tallying 353 points, including his 100th career goal on November 23 vs. the Phoenix Coyotes.

 

 

 

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#101 Victoria
November 27 2009, 11:18AM
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HEMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

*sigh*

Let's just tank, already.

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#102 Hemmercules
November 27 2009, 11:21AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Maybe this will be like that movie, Rookie of the Year.

Willis, what do you figure are our chances that Hemsky comes back from surgery with super powers?

About the same chance Horc had, we all know how thats turning out.

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#103 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 11:22AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Maybe this will be like that movie, Rookie of the Year.

Willis, what do you figure are our chances that Hemsky comes back from surgery with super powers?

Never thought of that...maybe they are giving him a bionic arm?

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#104 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 11:23AM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

UPDATE FROM BROWNLEE: I'm hearing that Ales Hemsky will need surgery and is likely done for the rest of the season. No official word from the Oilers yet. Will update later.

FML

If that's the case, the team now has their excuse.

Trade Vish and Souray, lets go for #1 overall.

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#105 Downright Fierce
November 27 2009, 11:24AM
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@roughneck:

Which shoulder is it? Maybe we could tape 'em together and have a 9.5 mil superstar.

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#106 Ender
November 27 2009, 11:29AM
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Downright Fierce wrote:

@roughneck:

Which shoulder is it? Maybe we could tape 'em together and have a 9.5 mil superstar.

Nice thought, but we'd have our work cut out for us arguing all the 'Too Many Men' calls for the rest of the season.

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#107 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 11:30AM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

if a granny wsa my leader for a battle in war, i sure as hell wouldnt take it that serious. if moreasu is my leader on my hockey team, i sure as hell wouldnt take him or the team serious. on top of the that horcoff is your 1st line centre.

i think these young kids we have are very disappointed in the organization and that shows in their play and attitude.

there has been so many line shuffles in the first 25 games, why is cogliano always stuck on the 4th with moreau ?

If that's true (that the young guys are dissapointed in the team/don't respect the vets). Then they are the problem.

What ridiculous attitudes they would have, guys that have done absolutly nothing at the NHL level have no right to "protest" their senior team mates.

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#108 Crust
November 27 2009, 11:30AM
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I know he's only a 4.1 million dollar man, but do we not have the technology to re-build him??

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#109 Stall35
November 27 2009, 11:30AM
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@Ogden Brother

With Oiler's scouting...are we really gonna do any better whether we draft 1st or last?

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#110 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 11:32AM
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Stall35 wrote:

With Oiler's scouting...are we really gonna do any better whether we draft 1st or last?

Yes

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#111 VK63
November 27 2009, 11:34AM
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good thing we only loaned reddox to springfield.

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#112 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 27 2009, 11:37AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

If that's true (that the young guys are dissapointed in the team/don't respect the vets). Then they are the problem.

What ridiculous attitudes they would have, guys that have done absolutly nothing at the NHL level have no right to "protest" their senior team mates.

x2. Apparently HansBaurMesserschmittWatson hasn't been paying attention to all the 'sense of entitlement = poison' talk lately.

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#113 BarryS
November 27 2009, 11:39AM
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It think a small dose of reality is needed here. A team is a complicated thing and more than a collection of individuals. I've coached new teams a couple times and the transition from a group of players to an actual team is a mysterious and wonderful thing but I have no clue how its done, only observed it happening. One minute they all play for themselves, the next they start to play for each other and become far better than they were before. It has something to do with caring for each other as players, making allowances for differing talent, and generally beginning to think we instead of I.

The problem with the Oilers, as I see it, they are still a collection of players and not a team playing for each other. This is not a thing fixed by subtracting or adding players, in fact as far as I can tell, either harms the development of team. From my experience, the fact of the recent year end success as opposed to season long, has everything to do with becoming team.

The Oilers will never be anything until they get some stability in the lineup for more than a game or two. It is not so much a matter of having new players, but of having the same players for a period of time so Team can form. Only then can an occasional move be made, but this rollercoaster of injuries and replacements will never be a team.

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#114 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 27 2009, 11:41AM
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The team (as it stands right now) has played together quite a bit. They are, after all, the Springfield Falcons.

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#115 Ogden Brother
November 27 2009, 11:41AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

x2. Apparently HansBaurMesserschmittWatson hasn't been paying attention to all the 'sense of entitlement = poison' talk lately.

Even if they were "mad at the team/vets" they would be costing themselves millions of dollars this summer. Normal progression for Gagner/Cogs would have likely put them in line for 3+ maybe even 4+ contracts this summer. At the current clip they should be looking at 2 million (or less)

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#116 I'm a Scientist!
November 27 2009, 11:43AM
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Well put BarryS... agreed.

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#117 SportsDad
November 27 2009, 11:48AM
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~We should look at the positive side of things, if Hemmer is out forthe season then Tambo no longer needs to worry about finding him a left winger, we can start looking for a right winger for penner.~

I was sure I had a positive in there someplace....I am not too sure if it's an FML moment, but if it means I see some action this weekend....FML too!

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#118 roughneck
November 27 2009, 11:49AM
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When asked about the possibility of surgery for Hemsky, Quinn said, "I'm not aware of anything like that."

I wonder if thats the 20 minute brain answering

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#119 dragon
November 27 2009, 11:54AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Even if they were "mad at the team/vets" they would be costing themselves millions of dollars this summer. Normal progression for Gagner/Cogs would have likely put them in line for 3+ maybe even 4+ contracts this summer. At the current clip they should be looking at 2 million (or less)

hey, you're onto something.

maybe that's the strategy: go for the lottery this year, in the process make it very difficult for Cogs and Gags to raise the bar (see Cogs stuck with Capt'n and no PP) so that you can sign them for 1.5mil iso 4mil...

i'll go with injuries + new system. kinda agree with barry that jumping from 'I' to 'we' takes more than just 25 games, especially with new coaching.

still: something doesn't look right with the locker.

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#120 Librarian Mike
November 27 2009, 11:56AM
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Hemsky might be out for the rest of the season? Oh, that's no biggie. I'm sure we can call up some to replacements from SpringfieljadsfiOPDdsjfaeo...

*begins rocking back and forth, sobbing*

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#121 dragon
November 27 2009, 12:04PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

Hemsky might be out for the rest of the season? Oh, that's no biggie. I'm sure we can call up some to replacements from SpringfieljadsfiOPDdsjfaeo...

*begins rocking back and forth, sobbing*

common, let's be positive:

do you remember the game in Colorado? 4 PP goals sans-Hemmer?

while the Vets keep sobbing, oups, sorry, 'resting' the Kid will run with it!

*bangs head on the keyboards hoping to wake up*

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#122 DK0
November 27 2009, 12:06PM
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For the 11 people who selected that the oilers are "Better than I predicted", i believe you have "The Oilers" and "Dustin Penner" mixed up...

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#123 Librarian Mike
November 27 2009, 12:13PM
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@dragon

I really want to be positive, but this season seems to be unravelling at an alarming pace. Then again, maybe having Hemsky out will bring about Bill Simmons' "Ewing Theory" for the Oilers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/010509a

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#124 OilerLoverFlameoutHater
November 27 2009, 12:15PM
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Question for RB or JG or anyone else who feels like answering. If Hemsky is out for the year can we call up Eberle yet? Also who does everyone figure is the better player Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin? I havn't seen much of either but watched Tyler take a shot in the Russian allstar game last week and BOY I'll tell you that kids shot is definetly NHL calibre. WICKED fast and hard

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#125 Offthebandwagon
November 27 2009, 12:18PM
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Well, this could be the last nail in the coffin and I almost hope it is. This team has had serious problems in its makeup and its time to make some moves for next year. I don't think leadership is the problem; I don't think size is the problem (though the team is too small); I don't think individuals on the team are the problem, and, finally, coaching is not (and was not) the problem. The problem is that the coaching staff has to ask too much of the players they have. They have finesse players that need to play gritty because the team lacks grit. They have third and fourth liners galore that are continously asked to play with first line minutes to try to "put balance in the lineup". They have kids that are being asked to "step up" and develop in a losing environment. Though its not the only problem, a perfect example is the need to have Penner work the dot. If the team was put together better, and the management made some better decisions, this would not be necessary. Hemsky is hurt because last week he was told to work harder. He is not a game breaker--he's not strong enough--and he never will be. What he is is one of the best set-up players in the league who is hurt because there have been no legitimate opportunities for him to highlight his skills. He's asked again and again to elevate his game to a higher level; what this is asking him to do is play outside of his skill set. This situation is akin to asking Gagner to be an enforcer, or Moreau to work the PP--oh, wait, they've been doing that too.

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#126 Librarian Mike
November 27 2009, 12:19PM
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DK0 wrote:

For the 11 people who selected that the oilers are "Better than I predicted", i believe you have "The Oilers" and "Dustin Penner" mixed up...

Damn. I thought it said "Better then I predicted". Oops.

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#127 Offthebandwagon
November 27 2009, 12:21PM
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JW answered this yesterday: Not possible until all contract options are used from the loaning team (Springfield). And we can't ice 12-6-2 for a game.

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#128 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 12:22PM
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OilerLoverFlameoutHater wrote:

Question for RB or JG or anyone else who feels like answering. If Hemsky is out for the year can we call up Eberle yet? Also who does everyone figure is the better player Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin? I havn't seen much of either but watched Tyler take a shot in the Russian allstar game last week and BOY I'll tell you that kids shot is definetly NHL calibre. WICKED fast and hard

Why do so many people think we can just bring up Eberle? He's playing in junior and can be brought up as an emergency recall only.

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#129 Gunner
November 27 2009, 12:26PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

If that's the case, the team now has their excuse.

Trade Vish and Souray, lets go for #1 overall.

I agree 100%. If it is true, there is no need to pretend that we can compete for a playoff spot anymore.

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#130 JB
November 27 2009, 12:35PM
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So, um... does this mean we can start talking about who we're going to take in the first round this year? I think we've reached the s&*t or get off the pot stage in terms of "building" or "rebuilding" the franchise. No Hemsky = no chance of making the playoffs.

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#131 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 12:35PM
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Gunner wrote:

I agree 100%. If it is true, there is no need to pretend that we can compete for a playoff spot anymore.

With the way the team has played up to this point and even with a healthy Hemsky what was the absolute best we would finish anyways? 8th or with some luck maybe 7th? So...top 5 pick or get swept by the Sharks or Hawks, which is better?

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#132 Corsby31
November 27 2009, 12:36PM
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Hey Robin, why is L.A allowed to call up Schenn, Is he not in the same situtation as Eberle?

I would have to wonder if Hemmer is gone for the year (we all know that would be it for the playoff's), would we become sellers at the deadline? I hate thinking this way, but maybe we could get rid of some the sh!ty contracts we are carrying and re-build this team??? I'd even deal PDP, at this point you may as well sell him at top dollar, just a thought. Anyone have a second favorite team I can start watching?? (Don't say Van or Cgy)

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#133 Milli
November 27 2009, 12:37PM
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Well, a week or so ago, we all wanted to see the PP without Ales, I guess now is our chance!!! Things are really falling into place....

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#134 Milli
November 27 2009, 12:38PM
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Oh ya, I will send someone the 8 bucks if they nail Poopypants with a RX beer!!!

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#135 OilerLoverFlameoutHater
November 27 2009, 12:41PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Why do so many people think we can just bring up Eberle? He's playing in junior and can be brought up as an emergency recall only.

Thats what I was talkin about their spud L.A did it the other day with Schenn and I'll bet we have twice the injured players they have. I know the optics of hockey don't talk to me like I'm stupid. Don't answer my questions unless you have something relevent to it. Thanks

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#136 BarryS
November 27 2009, 12:41PM
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I love it how supposed fans are so willing to through away what we know in favour of some supposed 18 year old saviour who may or may not be a good player in two ot rhree years. Even the great Gretzky took several years and a number(7?) of above average team mates to be make the Oilers Chanpions. Anyone remember how many cups did LA, St Louis or New York won with Gretzky?

I fear it is a lot like changing dollars into Lottery tickets. Just because someone wins, does not account for the two or three million dollars for tickets who lose. As I recall, even Number 1 overalls are a gamble.

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#137 Offthebandwagon
November 27 2009, 12:41PM
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Gunner wrote:

I agree 100%. If it is true, there is no need to pretend that we can compete for a playoff spot anymore.

I still am not all for a full blow-up, but if this is the turning point then here is my two cents: keep Souray and trade Vish; unless we want to tank next year too. Souray is the only legit shooter on the team and we have a plethara of play makers and set-up players. Over the season, until the deadline they should also move the following: Cogs or O'Sullivan, Pouliot and Nilson (even if its a throw-in for a bigger trade), Gilbert or Chorney. Also, do not resign Comrie and move him if at all possible, though I doubt this as much as moving Nilson and Pouliot. One again, I am against a complete blow-up, but if that's where they go, well...

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#138 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 12:42PM
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Corsby31 wrote:

Hey Robin, why is L.A allowed to call up Schenn, Is he not in the same situtation as Eberle?

I would have to wonder if Hemmer is gone for the year (we all know that would be it for the playoff's), would we become sellers at the deadline? I hate thinking this way, but maybe we could get rid of some the sh!ty contracts we are carrying and re-build this team??? I'd even deal PDP, at this point you may as well sell him at top dollar, just a thought. Anyone have a second favorite team I can start watching?? (Don't say Van or Cgy)

He was recalled on an emergency basis and was signed to a one game amateur contract because the Kings were unable to recall someone from their AHL affiliate in time for the game.

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#139 Gunner
November 27 2009, 12:43PM
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BarryS wrote:

I love it how supposed fans are so willing to through away what we know in favour of some supposed 18 year old saviour who may or may not be a good player in two ot rhree years. Even the great Gretzky took several years and a number(7?) of above average team mates to be make the Oilers Chanpions. Anyone remember how many cups did LA, St Louis or New York won with Gretzky?

I fear it is a lot like changing dollars into Lottery tickets. Just because someone wins, does not account for the two or three million dollars for tickets who lose. As I recall, even Number 1 overalls are a gamble.

Point 1. What we "know" is that this team isn't all that good.

Point 2. Number 1 picks, nowadays, are almost guaranteed NHL ready players. Not nearly the gamble they used to be.

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#140 BarryS
November 27 2009, 12:45PM
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OilerLoverFlameoutHater wrote:

Thats what I was talkin about their spud L.A did it the other day with Schenn and I'll bet we have twice the injured players they have. I know the optics of hockey don't talk to me like I'm stupid. Don't answer my questions unless you have something relevent to it. Thanks

I believe the loophole has something to do with it being able to get the junior in time and the call up not in time. They could only use the kid for one game and he had to be sent down. Given Eberle would likely to be playing in East Nowhere on any particular day, it would no be probable he could arrive before a farm team guy.

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#141 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 12:45PM
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OilerLoverFlameoutHater wrote:

Thats what I was talkin about their spud L.A did it the other day with Schenn and I'll bet we have twice the injured players they have. I know the optics of hockey don't talk to me like I'm stupid. Don't answer my questions unless you have something relevent to it. Thanks

I believe I did add something relevent "spud". Emergency Recall...and knowing the "optics" of hockey you obviously know what that means.

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#142 Corsby31
November 27 2009, 12:45PM
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IC, thanks Dan, just one more question for you, does that mean he could only play the one game for the Kings???

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#143 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
November 27 2009, 12:47PM
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Offthebandwagon wrote:

I still am not all for a full blow-up, but if this is the turning point then here is my two cents: keep Souray and trade Vish; unless we want to tank next year too. Souray is the only legit shooter on the team and we have a plethara of play makers and set-up players. Over the season, until the deadline they should also move the following: Cogs or O'Sullivan, Pouliot and Nilson (even if its a throw-in for a bigger trade), Gilbert or Chorney. Also, do not resign Comrie and move him if at all possible, though I doubt this as much as moving Nilson and Pouliot. One again, I am against a complete blow-up, but if that's where they go, well...

I'm with you on the Souray and Visnovksy train. I don't think I have the heart to let them go.

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#144 BarryS
November 27 2009, 12:48PM
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Gunner wrote:

Point 1. What we "know" is that this team isn't all that good.

Point 2. Number 1 picks, nowadays, are almost guaranteed NHL ready players. Not nearly the gamble they used to be.

Point 1. See post 113 for the reasons why and why your point 2. will solve nothing.

Point 2, Being a guaranteed player and being a superstar are not the same thing. We have enough guaranteed players and not enough superstars, nor do we likely have time for a junior Superstar to come into his own.

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#146 Jodes
November 27 2009, 12:51PM
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@Crust

LMAO..

But will he have the funky sound effects to go with every time he goes into the opposing end or makes a shot?

That's the six million dollar question!

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#147 Dan the Man
November 27 2009, 12:52PM
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Corsby31 wrote:

IC, thanks Dan, just one more question for you, does that mean he could only play the one game for the Kings???

You bet, it would be really unlikely that the Kings could prove the need to extend their "emergency" situation since the Kings next game isn't until Saturday.

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#148 Gunner
November 27 2009, 12:53PM
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BarryS wrote:

Point 1. See post 113 for the reasons why and why your point 2. will solve nothing.

Point 2, Being a guaranteed player and being a superstar are not the same thing. We have enough guaranteed players and not enough superstars, nor do we likely have time for a junior Superstar to come into his own.

It won't matter if we have the same players for all 82 games. The make up of the team isn't what it needs to be and it's painfully obvious.

Barry take off your rose colored glasses. Our "guaranteed" players aren't good.

Tell me how exactly getting a top 5 pick will solve nothing?

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#149 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
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Thanks. I know how much of a hassle it can be to keep up with real-time updates. Your dedication is appreciated.

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#150 Racki
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If Hemmer's out for the rest of the season it will force Tambellini's hand. Time to put up or shut up. I almost look forward to seeing how he handles it.

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