Oilers vs. Canucks Postgame: Shooter Tutors

Jonathan Willis
November 29 2009 12:46AM

Vancouver Canucks: 7

Edmonton Oilers: 3

Remember shooter tutors?  Well, for good portions of the night the inexperienced tandem of Jeff Deslauriers and Devan Dubnyk eerily resembled shooter tutors; not so much along the ice but certainly over the shoulders.  It's been Deslauriers' weak spot for the last while and it was hard to watch the Canucks tonight and not think they'd been told to aim for the corners.

Random Thoughts

Jeff Deslauriers said after the game that the loss was on him, that he cost the team the game.  While he certainly wasn't sharp, I'm going to agree with Pat Quinn, who appreciated the gesture but acknowledged that it was a team loss.

Not many things can make me grin ear-to-ear when the Oilers are down 5-1, but Colin McDonald's first career goal was one of them.  It was a beautiful shot on a quality goaltender, and after years of hearing Kevin Prendergast talk about McDonald's shot being one of his greatest assets it was nice to see it at the NHL level.  I also liked seeing Ryan O'Marra's reaction (aside: the assist was O'Marra's first NHL point) to McDonald's goal; he seemed almost as thrilled as his teammate.  They were linemates in Springfield, and it was great to see that bond.  While I'm at it, I should acknowledge the fourth line was tremendous; it's easy to see why Rob Daum's been raving about both McDonald and O'Marra, and Stortini's found a comfort level with them.

I get the feeling it's going to be important to find things like that to focus on as this season continues.

The penalty kill was probably the worst part of the Oilers' game tonight, and that's on the veterans.  Speaking of veterans, Souray, Staios and the one-armed ghost of Shawn Horcoff all struggled for (at least) the second straight game.  Tom Renney switched to a Gilbert/Souray pairing in the third which should help, although that leaves Staios and Strudwick paired together and their track record isn't encouraging.  As for Horcoff, he had a couple of good shifts but for the most part didn't  handle the puck well at all, and it seems like he's in the right spots but can't fight the physical battles.

Brule and Penner both had a nice game offensively, and looked very smooth on the power play.  The only bad news about Brule (from an Oilers' perspective) stepping up to help carry the offence is that he's a free agent after this season; he could very well use this opportunity to earn a payday that wouldn't be coming otherwise.  That caveat aside, it's nice to see a player who struggled for so many years start to turn a corner.

I've been picking on Andrew Cogliano a fair bit this year, but he certainly seems to have come around (Moreau too, for that matter).  Ryan Potulny probably matches up a little better to those linemates than Zack Stortini did, and I'm sure that's part of it (as is having Cogliano play wing) but both players deserve a ton of credit.  It's also a treat to watch Cogliano's combative nature; he has been very involved in that department the last few games. 

 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Helmerfied
November 29 2009, 03:31PM
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JackBauer wrote:

Its pretty clear that this team needs to do the following.

1) Rid themselves with as much salary as they can. Whatever means neccesary to fix the cap issues this team will have for the next few years. Vancouver has done it and they have a very nice cap number right now.

2) Bottom out for a couple of years and get some top 5 draft picks that will hopefully pan out and build around them.

3) Pray.

How is it that Vancouver has such a "very nice cap number" right now? Please clarify. Once Demitra comes off LTIR, they're going to be at least $3 Million OVER the cap. That's not a super rosy number to me. And, had Demitra been healthy at the start of the year, I suspect they would've lost a roster player to waivers by now.

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#52 BarryS
November 29 2009, 03:33PM
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Mike wrote:

At long last someone on this site is stepping up and telling it like it is.

Deep oil has the scoop.

Unfortunately, for all of us Oiler Junkies we put our heads in the sand or in this case the ice and allow this team to be run by a wanna be billionaire that hides behind the walls of his over priced, 110% financed house while the management team (his buddies) can;t get it right.

No vaccine???? Isn't our guy supposed to be a drug guru or something?

Long term contracts.....Lowe got high from that stanley cup run, never came down and started throwing money around like a stoned hippie that just won the lottery.

Enough said.....listen to Deep oil and you shall hear the truth and Deep oils' truths will be proven soon enough.

Well, Mike, as someone living in a house which dropped 200,000 in the last year I can only be thankful it was paid for. If I still had a mortgage for the previous value, I'd be about 200% financed.

So long term contracts have turned out to be mining stock? Sure they were a good bet before the president got arrested for salting the claims, but the money you borrowed to get rich quick still has to be paid. The Oilers and 29 other teams are in the same boat. At least we have other means to repay the loans. To bad about the loans being fixxed term so we can't even pay them off early, but life goes on.

Not sure the Detroit model ia a good one either, since each team is limited to the number of contracts it can have and contract numbers, like roster limits have shrunk in the past and the easy around the Cap is to shrink the rosters. So if in a few years, Detroit has three or four unusable contract spots, it will have no effect, right?

As for the future, only fools or crooks try to sell the stiffs they know how the future will turn out and what to do about it. If Deep Oil is no fool, what is he selling because there sure seem to be a lot of stiffs here buying the flavour of the hour.

Guess what, if all spectator sports somehow vanished from the world, most of us would soon find something else to watch, The Wild World of Competative Stamp Collecting, anyone?

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#53 Robin Brownlee
November 29 2009, 03:52PM
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OOPS: Looks like DeepOil and Mike are coming back as the same IP connection but are using different e-mail addresses. Truth indeed.

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#54 Rigger
November 29 2009, 04:06PM
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Oh good RB, I was almost down to the quik on those nails.

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#55 jeanshorts
November 29 2009, 04:07PM
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@ Deepoil and "Mike"

I'd just like to point out that just because Daryl Katz owns a chain of pharmacies doesn't mean that somehow grants him access to a truck full of H1N1 vaccines. That's all Health Canada.

And besides, only one of our players got H1N1. One. And he didn't miss any time because of it.

Carry on being batshit crazy.

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#56 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 04:23PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Investigative journalism at its finest ;)

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#57 Robin Brownlee
November 29 2009, 04:41PM
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A FAKE endorsement from a FAKE person using the same IP as the all-knowing DeepOil hardly seems the way to set out on this noble quest for truth, now, does it?

Mike, tell us again how DeepOil is unafraid to tell it like it is. Mike? Are you there? Mike? DeepOil?

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#58 Word
November 29 2009, 04:42PM
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@Deep Oil

Deep Oil. You're crazy enough that I actually read some of your posts, but I dont understand a large portion of them.

It's probably my fault because I didn't read the whole thread, and I certainly didn't listen to Coast-to-Coast AM last night (which I imagine you must), but can you translate the sentence below for me? There's enough in there to make it sound interesting, but I can't glean the comprehensive meaning:

"Hemmer is all passenger - not leader, trade him when you can for picks during this JIM MATHESON blow it up lotery rally time period. I wish a hall of fame reporter like Matty would of had an opinion in this column, rather than this trial baloon crap, of relating the temperature of OILER NAION - in short - WEAK."

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#59 JackBauer
November 29 2009, 04:47PM
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I suspect we wont be seeing Deep Oil or Mike for a bit.

As for the Canucks being in good cap shape, my bad. But when Demitra comes back they will be right on the bubble. But heres the key, they are right on the bubble having signed all their major stars, unlike the Oilers who have no room to sign all our avergae players.

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#60 Word
November 29 2009, 04:56PM
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K. I wasn't going to say anything about financing because the topic is relatively classless, but now it's actually bugging me so I'm gonna get into it in general terms...

People fortunate enough to have large quanties of money use 3rd party financing all the time despite what their bank statements read.

They are often best served by mortgaging residential properties at very low bank rates and using their liquid assets to invest in more calculated risks that they can personally control. Why? Because the returns come back in percentages greater than the bank lending rate for residential mortgages.

If someone has a $1 million loan that costs them 4.5% per year, then takes a $1 million out of their account and invests it for a return of %10 per year, then that person made more money borrowing than if they had spent it on their own.

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#61 deepoil
November 29 2009, 05:20PM
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Mr. Brownlee, I am more interested in public record facts known as the truth, and confident comments made by EIG owners, the law community and bankers / real estate agents that can't keep their mouths shut.

The benefit that Edmonton has, is that owner has access to cash using it as LBO's, rather than owning the green. As per the Alberta Venture article.

Katz took out a loan to buy the team via CIT group, similar to other owners that took loans out as well. This is publicly disclosed.

As per the journal, Katz has a loan on his home for $24.9mm - in the interview a rexall spokesperson states the home is worth less than $20mm. As per the journal, the house is registered in his wifes name. When Pocklington was confronted by the Sheriff in CA, he stated to the media that all the assets were Eva's - similar ring don't you think, or just proper estate planning maybe.....

Oilers owe many of my friends companies monies past 30 days, some 90 days - why ?

Katz had trouble with corporate mergers as a lawyer, asking other lawyers for assistance. This is from a guy that borrows cash from somewhere out east to merge a billion dollar corp via a Tom Hicks, George Gillette - LBO approach.

Katz does not own his own jet, word around the hangar is that he fractionally owns with other edmonton business leaders - one being a CEO of a construction company with a mansion in Kelowna. Most billion dollar corps, own their own jet, especially if they are flying to New Jersey for banking meetings, fractional ownership must be the new environmental green, or economic reality.

How does an owner that owes money on his house, owes money on the team, is late on paying vendors, borrow another $100mm to control a billion dollar project determined by city council and possibly the feds. Mandel has a developer background, seems like match made in heaven. I am sure that Katz will be supporting a third Mandel term....

Options are expensive, especially when you forget to renew them.... call WAM and ask them about their $5million option flip BACK to Rexall, seems a lawyer in downtown Edmonton or NJ was asleep at the wheel that day. With WAM reselling the Baccarat option back to the Rexall for the same price of one year of Sean Horcoff services. The deal has to go through for the actual profit to be made.

Has anyone with a journalstic curiousity asked these types questions..... YES, Mugsy Forbes did at a Rexall news conference, asking how a man with one drug store could over a decade build one of the largest pharmacy chains, Mr. Mugsy Forbes was then escorted out of the news conference by Rexall Security.

I am just curious how the PSL equation is going down the drain with the economy and non playoff results, READ: limited ticket waiting list. The team might try what the Canadiens did with a PSL lease at $1600 per year.

Reference: http://hockey.ballparks.com/NHL/MontrealCanadiens/index.htm

Bottom line here Mr. Brownlee, the information I present is mostly factual from accredited news sources, it just seems that the scribes think the performance on the ice is NOT related to off ice antics or contract pressure.

It appears that Katz has not sent out a text this year to Dan Tencer. My issue is mostly cap related contracts resulting in a downward spiral to the bottom. The contracts seem to be related to both Lowe and Katz himself.

The King wears no clothes, he is in mortgage hell, just like the rest of us.....except he is in rich hell.

Cheers, Have a great grey cup.

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#62 deepoil
November 29 2009, 05:27PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

OOPS: Looks like DeepOil and Mike are coming back as the same IP connection but are using different e-mail addresses. Truth indeed.

Mike works at the same office, not the same person.

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#63 deepoil
November 29 2009, 05:33PM
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Word wrote:

Deep Oil. You're crazy enough that I actually read some of your posts, but I dont understand a large portion of them.

It's probably my fault because I didn't read the whole thread, and I certainly didn't listen to Coast-to-Coast AM last night (which I imagine you must), but can you translate the sentence below for me? There's enough in there to make it sound interesting, but I can't glean the comprehensive meaning:

"Hemmer is all passenger - not leader, trade him when you can for picks during this JIM MATHESON blow it up lotery rally time period. I wish a hall of fame reporter like Matty would of had an opinion in this column, rather than this trial baloon crap, of relating the temperature of OILER NAION - in short - WEAK."

Hemmer is pulling in $4mm this year, and $5mm next at a point a game, last year he pulls this media stunt in the dressing room than fails to lead.

Matty's column about the rally for a lottery pick was disappointing, as HE failed to offer an opinion, more a trial balloon article, than substance.

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#64 Librarian Mike
November 29 2009, 05:38PM
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deepoil wrote:

Mike works at the same office, not the same person.

Assuming for a second you are 2 separate people (which we all know you aren't), it doesn't make you your ideas any less crazy.

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#65 Helmerfied
November 29 2009, 05:41PM
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JackBauer wrote:

I suspect we wont be seeing Deep Oil or Mike for a bit.

As for the Canucks being in good cap shape, my bad. But when Demitra comes back they will be right on the bubble. But heres the key, they are right on the bubble having signed all their major stars, unlike the Oilers who have no room to sign all our avergae players.

Point taken. Note that Vancouver will actually have to shed $3M from their 23-man roster when Demitra does return. No easy feat aside from waivers. Who goes? One or two of their 8 D-men? But yes, they do have their top line and goalie booked long-term and, although Kesler will surely demand a sizable raise from his $1.75M cap hit this year, letting Demitra go as UFA after this season will free some room for that. I just don't think they are in all that prettier a situation than many other teams but have benefited greatly from a few players playing well beyond their paycheque last year and this year(ala Edm has suffered with many players playing well under their paycheque). In a cap world, you need over-achievers and Edm has seen little of that.

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#66 Moop
November 29 2009, 05:42PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

Assuming for a second you are 2 separate people (which we all know you aren't), it doesn't make you your ideas any less crazy.

When I read his comment, the first thing I thought of was that scene from Ghostbusters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7uAHQWQR4

Only replace "Dana" with "DeepOil" and "Zuul" with "Mike".

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#67 deepoil
November 29 2009, 05:42PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

OOPS: Looks like DeepOil and Mike are coming back as the same IP connection but are using different e-mail addresses. Truth indeed.

Seems to be a bit off, since my ip address is in Scottsdale, AZ and Mike lives in Edmonton. Truth before a circle jerk from the ON websquad. Temperature here is 60F with a bit of wind, grey cup is on my shaw direct satelite. I believe another post other than Mike stated that other than the H1N1, he agreed with everything I said. Sorry to rain on your watergate parade.

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#68 Helmerfied
November 29 2009, 05:45PM
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deepoil wrote:

Hemmer is pulling in $4mm this year, and $5mm next at a point a game, last year he pulls this media stunt in the dressing room than fails to lead.

Matty's column about the rally for a lottery pick was disappointing, as HE failed to offer an opinion, more a trial balloon article, than substance.

So what do you feel is the going rate for a point/game player? Something tells me the average salary for this type of player is higher than what Hemmer makes. If you're point is that he's making too much $ for how many points he puts up, I disagree.

JW, might you have some stats of the average salary of players who average a point/game last yer and this year?

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#69 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 29 2009, 05:47PM
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deepoil wrote:

Seems to be a bit off, since my ip address is in Scottsdale, AZ and Mike lives in Edmonton. Truth before a circle jerk from the ON websquad. Temperature here is 60F with a bit of wind, grey cup is on my shaw direct satelite. I believe another post other than Mike stated that other than the H1N1, he agreed with everything I said. Sorry to rain on your watergate parade.

so same office different guy is now 2 people in 2 different countries?

do you actually know how IP addressing works?

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#70 JackBauer
November 29 2009, 05:49PM
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Ohhh Brownlee burned by the crazy insider. Fun Stuff!!

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#71 BarryS
November 29 2009, 05:50PM
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@deepoil

The question has to be asked, So What? The fact of life in North America, if not the developed world, is that everyone is mortgaged to the hilt. So the banks in canada, only have leases on the locations, if asked to produce all the "cash value" on their books couldn't actually produce more than a million or two at once.

There is a reason as soon as the government notices a run on the banks, they declare extended bank holidays.

Even the government is mortgaged to the hilt, you think they have enough assets to actually cover the debt? you think when there is a surplus, there is actually a pile of money or gold in a vault somewhere? Give me a break. You think your house, if you own one, you will actually get a pile of dollar bills when sell it?

All corporations have going for them the cash flow, there assets, whatever there book value, are worth exactly nothing until they are actually sold then their value is what you actually get for them. I inherited a gun my father bought for 700.00. not being a gun collector or hunter, I sold the gun for all I could get, 200.00. So, tell me, what's the real value of the gun?

Give me a break. All your so called real information means exactly nothing unless Katz is going to sell the team, and then, he will only get what someone is prepared to give and that is dependant only on what the buyer figures the team will produce in year to year income and future resale value.

As for the Oilers not paying within thirty days, well I was in business and owed and was owed money on thirty days, guess what, neither transaction was ever completed in thirty days.

The essence of your arguements are both based on Politics and Jealousy. Therefore, given you post in secret and your political affiliations are unknown, but to be guessed at, and not actually sports related, they are totally worthless whinning.

In short, since you don't seem to be able to stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, you're just in the way of getting things done.

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#72 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 05:50PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

Assuming for a second you are 2 separate people (which we all know you aren't), it doesn't make you your ideas any less crazy.

Edit

nvm

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#73 deepoil
November 29 2009, 05:52PM
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Moop wrote:

When I read his comment, the first thing I thought of was that scene from Ghostbusters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7uAHQWQR4

Only replace "Dana" with "DeepOil" and "Zuul" with "Mike".

Two separate people, please move on, or maybe I think Mike is another person in my mind....LOL

Crazy is texting your official media provider, waterboy with one message and heading in the opposite direction, when your management take you to the woodshed and deactivate your text function.

Crazy is giving out a 5 year contract with an overpayment of $1.5mm per year, because you work out with the guy.

Crazy is spurning a 40 year old goale for $2mm per year for two years, and signing a 36 / 37 year old goalie for 4 years at a higher dollar. Noting that the cap hit rules the salary is not forgiveable if Khabi retires early, possibly LTIR is the only hope.

Sorry, but the facts are more important than youtube.

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#74 BarryS
November 29 2009, 05:59PM
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@deepoil

P.S. There are very good reason rich people seldom actually own every thing they "own" and that is called the tax man. Also, most aircraft flying today are actually owned by large leasing companies, including the one flying under airline company banners. If you think about it, owning a share in a lease is smarter than owning the lease outright, given airplanes are expensive to insure, operate, and tend to depreciate faster than they fly. By the by, the Arizona desert has vast yards of fairly new, but now worthless airplanes waiting to be sold, since the dryness makes them last longer until disposal.

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#75 Robin Brownlee
November 29 2009, 05:59PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

so same office different guy is now 2 people in 2 different countries?

do you actually know how IP addressing works?

DeepOil wrote: "Mike works at the same office, not the same person."

At Cableguy: Right. First it was the same office, but not the same person. Now, this. DeepOil really can't make up his mind, can he?

At JackBauer: Burned? No. We've tracked DeepOil and "Mike" posting from the same internet connection before, so this is no surprise at this end. Maybe I used the wrong term as I'm about as tech-smart as a potato, but what we've got here is people posting from the same connection under different names, as DeepOil earlier admitted.

Are you going to cut the crap and tell everybody who you are, Jimmy, or should I? You make the call.

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#76 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 29 2009, 06:01PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

DeepOil wrote: "Mike works at the same office, not the same person."

At Cableguy: Right. First it was the same office, but not the same person. Now, this. DeepOil really can't make up his mind, can he?

At JackBauer: Burned? No. We've tracked DeepOil and "Mike" posting from the same internet connection before, so this is no surprise at this end. Maybe I used the wrong term as I'm about as tech-smart as a potato, but what we've got here is people posting from the same connection under different names, as DeepOil earlier admitted.

Are you going to cut the crap and tell everybody who you are, Jimmy, or should I? You make the call.

***runs and makes popcorn****

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#77 Moop
November 29 2009, 06:01PM
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deepoil wrote:

Two separate people, please move on, or maybe I think Mike is another person in my mind....LOL

Crazy is texting your official media provider, waterboy with one message and heading in the opposite direction, when your management take you to the woodshed and deactivate your text function.

Crazy is giving out a 5 year contract with an overpayment of $1.5mm per year, because you work out with the guy.

Crazy is spurning a 40 year old goale for $2mm per year for two years, and signing a 36 / 37 year old goalie for 4 years at a higher dollar. Noting that the cap hit rules the salary is not forgiveable if Khabi retires early, possibly LTIR is the only hope.

Sorry, but the facts are more important than youtube.

I fail to see how Shawn Horcoff's contract is more important than Ghostbusters.

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#78 deepoil
November 29 2009, 06:04PM
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Helmerfied wrote:

So what do you feel is the going rate for a point/game player? Something tells me the average salary for this type of player is higher than what Hemmer makes. If you're point is that he's making too much $ for how many points he puts up, I disagree.

JW, might you have some stats of the average salary of players who average a point/game last yer and this year?

$4mm seems to be the going rate, more of a sidekick salary - based on assists not goals.

Next year it jumps to $5mm, with no leadership in my opinion brought to the table.

Trade him now, while the team is facing a non playoff year for picks, if he was healthy, he would not lead the team to the post season.

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#79 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 06:05PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

***runs and makes popcorn****

***sits with cableguy and offers him a beer***

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#80 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 29 2009, 06:08PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

***sits with cableguy and offers him a beer***

im not gonna lie, this might get weird

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#81 Librarian Mike
November 29 2009, 06:10PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

***sits with cableguy and offers him a beer***

*jumps over the back of the couch and squeezes in between cableguy and WBC*

Go time!

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#82 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 06:12PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

im not gonna lie, this might get weird

passed out drunk waking up in the morning sans pants kinda weird, or three grown men watching sex and the city together kinda weird?

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#83 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 29 2009, 06:13PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

passed out drunk waking up in the morning sans pants kinda weird, or three grown men watching sex and the city together kinda weird?

waking up in a bed with a female midget under each arm and apple sauce covering your dank weird

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#84 Helmerfied
November 29 2009, 06:14PM
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deepoil wrote:

$4mm seems to be the going rate, more of a sidekick salary - based on assists not goals.

Next year it jumps to $5mm, with no leadership in my opinion brought to the table.

Trade him now, while the team is facing a non playoff year for picks, if he was healthy, he would not lead the team to the post season.

Not sure how high his value is now given he's out for the season. Seems kind of odd you're complaining about all the bad contracts on the team yet you want to trade one of the best we have.

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#85 BarryS
November 29 2009, 06:15PM
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Get it through your head, the value of the Horcoff contract at the moment is only worth 5 million to Horcoff and no one else. To the team it, like all their contracts are costs of business, like the lease on their office space. They are neither real assets nor real liabilities to the team since they are defined by 1. the term of the contract, and 2. the issuing company being in business to pay out the term.

You understand what bankrupcy means, I hope. It means the contracts are worth the ink they're signed with.The contract only has value if they decide to trade it, the the value to the Oilers is what they can get. Of course, since their is no market for the sale of contracts, the HNL having banned such sales, all contracts have a zero cash value as objects.

The most inlightening thing in business I ever learned was from watching two lawyers amiably trying to dissolve their partnership. They discovered the languages of law and economics were as similar as Russian and Cree.

More than once I recall running a standard accounting practice suggested by our account, a very honest man, and was told, sure, if you want to risk going to jail. More than one honest, no pun, businessman has ended up in the slammer for following accepted accounting practices. There is a reason anyone using accountants discovers new fine print absolving them of any legal responsibilities for their advice.

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#86 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 06:15PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

waking up in a bed with a female midget under each arm and apple sauce covering your dank weird

It's obvious you don't know the family I come from then... and I prefer cherry sauce.

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#87 deepoil
November 29 2009, 06:19PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

DeepOil wrote: "Mike works at the same office, not the same person."

At Cableguy: Right. First it was the same office, but not the same person. Now, this. DeepOil really can't make up his mind, can he?

At JackBauer: Burned? No. We've tracked DeepOil and "Mike" posting from the same internet connection before, so this is no surprise at this end. Maybe I used the wrong term as I'm about as tech-smart as a potato, but what we've got here is people posting from the same connection under different names, as DeepOil earlier admitted.

Are you going to cut the crap and tell everybody who you are, Jimmy, or should I? You make the call.

Robin, you have been wrong before, when someone impersonated Deep Oil, and slagged you with some comments on this site, that was emailed directly to you from your tech as being false (I HAVE THE EMAIL). I am not going to get into it, but your comments then to me via email were incorrect and I asked for an apology that I never got. Your profanity in the email was noted. I asked you to call me several times to face this one on one, you never gave me that opportunity. Strange, as it appears you were given an opportunity by me over lunch some time ago, under the pay it forward program.

Cable Guy, I am on CoxCable in AZ, Mike is on Telus in Alberta, we know each other, we work in the same office in Alberta which has ONE IP address. So is it possible that we share the same views and he posted from work, and I posted from AZ, and ON was using my ORIGINAL LOGIN IP ADDRESS.... other words mistaken IP DETECTION.

So Brownlee again states another incorrect fact, relying on the website to provide him inaccurate info.

I am just suprised that i didn't receive a personal email from Brownlee this time.... as when he needed help and ideas, I was there.

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#88 BarryS
November 29 2009, 06:23PM
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You know, this would be a much better site is everyone had to use their real names and pictures. To many cowards out their need to shoot in the back from behind trees instead of taking their chances face to face, as it were.

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#89 deepoil
November 29 2009, 06:24PM
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@helmerfield

with a three to four year lottery rebuilidng program on the horizon, Hemsky is an asset that can be converted for future gains when the team resurfaces from the abyss, just similar to the halladay situation in toronto, where the jays have to decide if they are a $120mm team or not - if they are not, then Halladay represents assets that can used in 3 years.

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#90 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
November 29 2009, 06:24PM
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deepoil wrote:

Robin, you have been wrong before, when someone impersonated Deep Oil, and slagged you with some comments on this site, that was emailed directly to you from your tech as being false (I HAVE THE EMAIL). I am not going to get into it, but your comments then to me via email were incorrect and I asked for an apology that I never got. Your profanity in the email was noted. I asked you to call me several times to face this one on one, you never gave me that opportunity. Strange, as it appears you were given an opportunity by me over lunch some time ago, under the pay it forward program.

Cable Guy, I am on CoxCable in AZ, Mike is on Telus in Alberta, we know each other, we work in the same office in Alberta which has ONE IP address. So is it possible that we share the same views and he posted from work, and I posted from AZ, and ON was using my ORIGINAL LOGIN IP ADDRESS.... other words mistaken IP DETECTION.

So Brownlee again states another incorrect fact, relying on the website to provide him inaccurate info.

I am just suprised that i didn't receive a personal email from Brownlee this time.... as when he needed help and ideas, I was there.

a simple no would have worked

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#91 BarryS
November 29 2009, 06:28PM
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@deepoil

Don't know why you're so sure of this so called rebuilding project coming? Are you Mr. Katz, Mr. Lowe, or Mr. Tambolini? They are the only one's who get to decide, likely in that order, if we are to rebuild or not. You treat unproved speculation as fact, when all it is is unfounded hopes and dreams.

Edit. Or perhaps the other direction. Anyway, dose any one see any signs of massive shareholder (season ticketholder)upset? There will always be a few malcontents, there always have been.

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#92 Robin Brownlee
November 29 2009, 06:36PM
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DeepOil: Two questions, both of them asked for the sake of clarity and in the name of giving people the real picture of where you're coming from and what motivates these posts:

1. Were you previously involved in a business relationship with the Oilers and are you now banned from Rexall Place?

2. Are you considering or are you involved in a lawsuit against the Oilers?

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#93 deepoil
November 29 2009, 06:37PM
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@barry s

Read matheson in the journal today, note the oilers have games in hand over ducks and wild technically in last place. Rally for lottery - rebuilding..... also, HNIC gave last rights to Edmonton last night.

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#94 Helmerfied
November 29 2009, 06:41PM
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@deepoil

How many of the successful teams at the top of the standings right now who went through a few consecutive lean years in the recent past actually went through those years by choice? Might those lean years have been due to $ issues or simply bad management? By your theory, trade or let walk any and all players that will be UFA in the next 1-3 yrs and tank the next 3 years on purpose to stock up on prospects. Have Tambo send out the presser announcing we're officially entering the 3-year rebuilding program and, in essence, no effort will be made to win any games in the next 3 years on the part of management as they don't matter. I'm sure the fan base will be more than happy to continue to buy tickets to see those games. If I remember right, the fans of the teams that went through recent lean years were all too happy to continually fill the building to capacity. It's really easy to say all of that until it's your $ that's on the line and you actually depend on those ticket sales.

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#95 Rigger
November 29 2009, 06:41PM
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*wonders why deep oil refers to himself/herself in the third person* Weird....and also, I'm no tech wizard but the IP address is by locale is it not? Two different companies providing service wouldn't have the same address, am I right? How can telus and cox cable give you the same IP address in different locations? WTF? Don't you have to have different routers to and modems to provide that sh*t? Someone help me out here, like I said, I'm not the best at this.

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#96 Librarian Mike
November 29 2009, 06:46PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

DeepOil: Two questions, both of them asked for the sake of clarity and in the name of giving people the real picture of where you're coming from and what motivates these posts:

1. Were you previously involved in a business relationship with the Oilers and are you now banned from Rexall Place?

2. Are you considering or are you involved in a lawsuit against the Oilers?

I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're suggesting the answer is 'yes' to both questions.

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#97 Rigger
November 29 2009, 06:47PM
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Librarian Mike wrote:

I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're suggesting the answer is 'yes' to both questions.

*continues to chew nails in anticipation*

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#98 Wanyes bastard child
November 29 2009, 06:51PM
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Rigger wrote:

*continues to chew nails in anticipation*

*continues to drink beer in anticipation*

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#99 Maggie the Monkey
November 29 2009, 06:52PM
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The only mystery that's puzzling me is why so many people are bothering to be concerned about Deepoil at all. I stopped reading his postings ages ago, and it's particularly baffling why Robin Brownlee is engaging with him/her so much.

Maybe Brownlee is trying to make sure that nobody buys Deepoil's nonsense, but it seems like he's just thriving on the attention like a little playground brat.

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#100 Maggie the Monkey
November 29 2009, 06:54PM
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@Librarian Mike

And yeah, that's how I read Brownlee's questions, too.

I'm sure that our clever little monkey can come up with some more bs to dodge these questions, but I'll never know because I don't plan to read his posts.

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