UPDATE AGAIN: Horcout!

Jason Gregor
November 04 2009 11:23AM

The injuries continue for the Oilers, and the latest victim is Shawn Horcoff.

We will get the exact extent of his injury after the skate today, but like I said on my show yesterday and Brownlee wrote yesterday, the Oilers will be without their highest paid forward for the next while.

Some will argue that they won’t miss his five points, -5 rating and his 25 shots. Clearly Horcoff has struggled this season, but no other centre has been solid offensively.

Sam Gagner has had a few good games, Gilbert Brule was good until he got sick and Cogliano has had three good games, but otherwise he has been invisible. One, if not two of them has to step up.

Filling Horcoff’s offensive contributions won’t be hard right now, but one of them needs to be better in the draws, and be ready to consistently face the opposition’s best defencemen. Gagner will have the best chance because he’ll be playing with Dustin Penner and Ales Hemsky. It isn’t a surprise that Gagner and Horcoff’s most productive game this year came playing with those two.

Gagner will be the guy to slide back on to the top line, but if this team is going to start winning again Cogliano or Brule need to chip in. They can’t win with just one line scoring, and that has been the case for the past six games.

Players need to grab the opportunity when it presents itself, so which centre will step up?

More injury trouble?

Horcoff is out, but he isn’t the only one hurting. Ales Hemsky didn’t skate this morning and he has an undisclosed injury. He won’t say what it is, but when the rest of the team was getting on the ice Hemsky was coming back to the rink after getting some sort of test done. He says he will play tomorrow, but he isn’t 100 per cent healthy.

Ladislav Smid didn’t practice either and I will fill you in on his status after practice.

Theo Peckham was re-assigned to Springfield after the game in Long Island, because Steve Staios looks ready to play. He practiced today and took part in some contact drills and it looks like he will return tomorrow night.

Mike Comrie was also on the ice, and should be ready against the Rangers as well.

New centre?

Based on practice, it looks like Patrick O’Sullivan will be the other centre now that Horcoff is out. He skated with Robert Nilsson and JF Jacques. Zack Stortini skated in Hemsky’s spot with Penner and Gagner. Cogliano was with Ethan Morean and Fernando Pisani, while Brule centred Comrie and MacIntyre. You have to think if Hemsky plays then Stortini will move down and play with Brule and Comrie.

The defence pairings saw Tom Gilbert with Denis Grebeshkov, Taylor Chorney and Lubomir Visnovsky and Jason Strudwick with Steve Staios.

More on Horcoff...

I spoke with Horcoff, and he says that though his injury will put him out of play anywhere from just the next game to two weeks out, he won't require surgery.

Horcoff was pretty mum on the extent of his injury and wouldn't say exactly what the issue was, but he didn't have a brace or sling on or anything, so it's not super severe... but bad enough that he needs to rest.

Coach Pat Quinn said that Horcoff would be out for 7 to 10 days, "Page two from the trainers' manual."

Kid Gorgeous

Sheldon Souray was scheduled to do a solo skate today, and Quinn has given him the go-ahead to resume light workouts as well.

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#1 Porter
November 05 2009, 02:06AM
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The injury to Fanelli is so unfortunate and bad for the game. I really feel for him and his family. We could debate forever about whether or not the hit was legal, but that won't solve the real issues.

1) 16 Year Olds should not be playing Major Junior hockey.

2) Upper Body Equipment needs to be regulated more effectively.

3) All players should wear cages and mouthguards at all levels, including the NHL.

Shoulder and elbow pads need to have some more regulations.

Hockey Canada, the NHL, Major Junior, AHL and all other pro leagues should have some kind of a hockey summit on equipment.

Hard plastic should be eliminated if possible - except for helmets I guess.

They should talk with Dustin Penner and check out Farrell Equipment. I am even thinking about ordering some for myself... Very cool stuff and it could be a great option for the NHL.

hXXp://www.farrellsports.com/products/hockey/adult/h600_pro_hockey_shouldies.html

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#2 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 11:26AM
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Haters rejoice!!!

The Nation sure is getting its money's worth out of that face melting software.

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#3 bingofuel
November 04 2009, 11:34AM
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@Hemmercules

Photoshop's liquify filter is a lot of fun. :)

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#4 Mike Krushelnyski
November 04 2009, 11:36AM
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Is it possible to call up Eberle, or is he done for the year once he's gone to junior?

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#5 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 11:37AM
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So nothing more then what we knew. Why do the Oilers even have press conference like this on an off day?

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#6 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 11:37AM
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bingofuel wrote:

Photoshop's liquify filter is a lot of fun. :)

I noticed.

I feel like crying as our team decends into oblivion. We should be 50% AHL by the trade deadline.

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#7 SirFozz
November 04 2009, 11:38AM
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I thought bringing Comrie back was supposed to reverse the bad karma. Did we forget to sacrifice something? Goat? Virgin?

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#8 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 11:43AM
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SirFozz wrote:

I thought bringing Comrie back was supposed to reverse the bad karma. Did we forget to sacrifice something? Goat? Virgin?

Comrie went through the virgins last go around.

So who becomes our 4th center now? Comrie? O'Sullivan? I guess with not knowing how long Horcoff is out for that it would be hard to discuss bringing someone in to help out on the faceoff dot.

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#9 Mike Krushelnyski
November 04 2009, 11:43AM
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SirFozz wrote:

I thought bringing Comrie back was supposed to reverse the bad karma. Did we forget to sacrifice something? Goat? Virgin?

Chris Pronger's bastard child

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#10 Offthe bandwagon
November 04 2009, 11:47AM
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SirFozz wrote:

I thought bringing Comrie back was supposed to reverse the bad karma. Did we forget to sacrifice something? Goat? Virgin?

Ok, but virgins are hard to find these days and 90% of us chose either Bulin or Penner as our goat. If we sacrifice them we're really finished!

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#11 DK0
November 04 2009, 11:49AM
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@Mike Krushelnyski

When in doubt, blame CFP.

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#12 Tracie
November 04 2009, 11:52AM
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Sigh! Some tough times ahead! Sure wish we were able to get some faceoff depth now!

Hopefully Cogs will take this chance and step up...he did say he wanted to prove to the organization that they would never want to put him in trade talks again, so far he hasn't really shown that...

Our Centers will be Gags, Comrie, Brule and Cogs? still not too bad if we can get some faceoff wins.

We better have our energy level back up, we'll be chasing the puck all night long it seems!

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#13 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 11:56AM
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"Ales Hemsky didn’t skate this morning and he has an undisclosed injury."

"Ladislav Smid didn’t practice either..."

"..the Oilers will be without their highest paid forward for the next while."

Anyone else need a beer??? or a big long chug on a bottle of jack.....

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#14 Maverick
November 04 2009, 12:00PM
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LOL. Its pretty funny that for the past year and a half there have been many postings and articles written about the Oilers needing another centre. Management has done nothing.... so now their only true veteran centre is hurt...hmmm..... geez, didn't anyone in this 'great' organization realize the possibility? I know the Leafs and their whole organization are laughable but our beloved Oilers are not far off from the Leafs. YIKES!!! Salary Cap issues, small soft forwards, lacking in true checking veteran nhl players, depth at centre.... Yep, hate to say it but this team is in huge trouble.

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#15 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 12:00PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

"Ales Hemsky didn’t skate this morning and he has an undisclosed injury."

"Ladislav Smid didn’t practice either..."

"..the Oilers will be without their highest paid forward for the next while."

Anyone else need a beer??? or a big long chug on a bottle of jack.....

I don't know at least if we have injuries there is a reason that we are losing. These undisclosed injuries are starting to make me wonder what the heck is happening to the conditioning of our team.

Pass the jack

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#17 BUCK75
November 04 2009, 12:05PM
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I guess on the bright side we don't have a salary cap problem anymore when Horcoff is put on LTIR.

*admires the half full glass of coca cola on desk*

I think we will really get to see the gonads some of these suspects have if he is out for awhile. Not that he was contributing that much offensively, but he was a NHL quality player in our line-up at least.

*admires the empty glass of coca cola on desk*

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#18 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 12:07PM
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Maverick wrote:

LOL. Its pretty funny that for the past year and a half there have been many postings and articles written about the Oilers needing another centre. Management has done nothing.... so now their only true veteran centre is hurt...hmmm..... geez, didn't anyone in this 'great' organization realize the possibility? I know the Leafs and their whole organization are laughable but our beloved Oilers are not far off from the Leafs. YIKES!!! Salary Cap issues, small soft forwards, lacking in true checking veteran nhl players, depth at centre.... Yep, hate to say it but this team is in huge trouble.

You can go back to about week one where I wasn't worried about our centers as we had Horcoff doing well, but I asked what happens when he goes down? I also questioned whether we should've signed Comrie and not someone else to help our center situation out and Mr.Gregor ripped me a new one. Something about you have to sign Comrie for that price if you can. Well I agree he was a bargain, but if you have depth issues elsewhere you should fix them first then sign Comrie if you have room.

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#19 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 12:08PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

They are practicing. They didn't have a press conference. Where did you get that idea from. HOrcoff is out. When Quinn speaks we will find out exactly how long. Doesn't sound day to day.

My mistake I thought they had a press conference

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#20 David S
November 04 2009, 12:11PM
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Funny enough, Stortini and a healthy Comrie might do something positive. Zack digs it out and Comrie pots it as he's the sneaky type to pounce on opportunities. Brule can skate around for photo ops and second assists like he does right now.

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#21 I'm a Scientist!
November 04 2009, 12:11PM
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Ugh, those line combitations in the update above are looking a bit sickly. I do not like Pouliot (damn goat!), but what is his status? I think i would rather have him play than Macintyre.

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#22 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 12:26PM
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By chance was Horcoff's shoulder hurting before the hit by Sutton? Just wondering why in the last few games he looked worse then Cogliano at the faceoff dot.

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#23 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 12:29PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Ugh, those line combitations in the update above are looking a bit sickly. I do not like Pouliot (damn goat!), but what is his status? I think i would rather have him play than Macintyre.

I second everthing you said. Looks like Nilson may benefit, yet again, due to injury.

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#24 I'm a Scientist!
November 04 2009, 12:30PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Ugh, those line combitations in the update above are looking a bit sickly. I do not like Pouliot (damn goat!), but what is his status? I think i would rather have him play than Macintyre.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING? Ugh... idiot.

*Shakes his head in a mixture of disgrace and disgust*

A goat, is a goat, is a goat! Go Stevie Mac!

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#25 Victoria
November 04 2009, 12:30PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I noticed.

I feel like crying as our team decends into oblivion. We should be 50% AHL by the trade deadline.

Nothing new considering the last few years...

*sigh*

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#26 Bob Loblaw
November 04 2009, 12:32PM
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Is it just me or have we not had the most injuries of any team for the last 5 years. Maybe someone should investigate the Oilers' training methods.

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#27 Tito Ortiz
November 04 2009, 12:36PM
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Lets just trade for Vinnie Lecavelier already!

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#28 Boundz
November 04 2009, 12:40PM
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Bummer about Horc.

Anyone else notice that when EDM lost Stone, they lost some obvious grit, but also started losing a little time and space, and energy?

That, of course, closely coincided with the flu, but I must say, the more physical the Oil are, the better they are...

More physicality please!

Boundz

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#29 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 12:43PM
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@ Gregor

What's the mood/style at practice today?

Seems like Quinn hands out lots of days off when they clearly need practice.

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#30 David S
November 04 2009, 12:49PM
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My guess is the days off thing is directly related to how sick and banged up the team is right now. These guys need TONS of practice, so if they're not out there pounding pucks, something has to be up.

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#31 I'm a Scientist!
November 04 2009, 12:50PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

@ Gregor

What's the mood/style at practice today?

Seems like Quinn hands out lots of days off when they clearly need practice.

I have been critical of this in the past as well. But then I think of my job and how if i was working every day of the week, flying all over North America AND was fighting the flu/numerous bumps and scrapes, I would probably appreciate a day off now and then.

*goes back to sitting in front of the SuperComputer...safe and sound in his office...with weekends off...and very little pay*

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#32 Ogden Brother
November 04 2009, 12:50PM
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Tito Ortiz wrote:

Lets just trade for Vinnie Lecavelier already!

Supposedly TB's coaching has been very down on Vinny's overall play lately, going as far as putting him on the third line. If that keeps up, I could see him becoming more open to being moved.

He might be one of the few "1st line" centers actually available. If Stamkos start is for real (and by real, I mean a legit PPG 1st line center today...not 2-3 years from now) they may prefer to pay horc 5.5 to be their second line center rather then Lacav 7.8 to do it.

I think it would be a bad move in the long run, but it would probably make the next 2-3 years a little less painful.

Horc+Chorney+1st for Vclav.

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#33 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 12:51PM
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@David S

I would say if you are not sick, be at the rink. Unless 75% of team has something which is possible I guess.

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#34 SirFozz
November 04 2009, 12:54PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

I have been critical of this in the past as well. But then I think of my job and how if i was working every day of the week, flying all over North America AND was fighting the flu/numerous bumps and scrapes, I would probably appreciate a day off now and then.

*goes back to sitting in front of the SuperComputer...safe and sound in his office...with weekends off...and very little pay*

Perhaps they can save some time by jumping the queue for the h1n1 shot.

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#35 Hemmercules
November 04 2009, 12:57PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

I have been critical of this in the past as well. But then I think of my job and how if i was working every day of the week, flying all over North America AND was fighting the flu/numerous bumps and scrapes, I would probably appreciate a day off now and then.

*goes back to sitting in front of the SuperComputer...safe and sound in his office...with weekends off...and very little pay*

Now that you mention it, no day is really a day off for them. Either travelling, practicing, recouperating or playing everyday would take its toll.

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#36 Josh
November 04 2009, 01:01PM
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I wish horc did require surgery and that he would miss the entire year go on the LTIR, we bring someone else in, and but him out at the end of the season!! Or is that to harsh? Horc is sh it its time everyone realized it, he is not in a slump, he is just not that good period.

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#37 BUCK75
November 04 2009, 01:01PM
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@ Ogden Brother

Horc+Chorney+1st for Vclav

It was suggested during the first period of the Leafs game last night by Doug MacLean (so take it for what it's worth) that he could probably be had as long as they were going to be getting back an awful lot of salary.

I think your trade looks good, but TB is getting a really good deal if they get Chorney. I like Gilbert & Horcoff in that deal. Assuming anyone is healthy enough to ever trade.

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#38 Dan the Man
November 04 2009, 01:01PM
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7 to 10 days for Horc plus Big Sexy skating again equals Oiler awesomeness in the near future. WOOOOOOOOT!

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#39 David S
November 04 2009, 01:03PM
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Hemmercules wrote:

I would say if you are not sick, be at the rink. Unless 75% of team has something which is possible I guess.

I could be wrong, but the drop-off we've seen from the first games is dramatic. I can't figure anything other than a team-wide epidemic. Don't forget that even if you're technically over the flu, you're still bagged for a good while afterwards. Might explain why we start out strong and fade so predictably as of late. Not to mention that Horcoff has probably been playing hurt for the past while. I'd bet Brownlee is going to bust a story on this later today.

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#40 Dan the Man
November 04 2009, 01:04PM
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Josh wrote:

I wish horc did require surgery and that he would miss the entire year go on the LTIR, we bring someone else in, and but him out at the end of the season!! Or is that to harsh? Horc is sh it its time everyone realized it, he is not in a slump, he is just not that good period.

Bring someone like who in? One of those first line centres that are so easy to find and everyone wants to get rid of?

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#41 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 01:04PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

7 to 10 days for Horc plus Big Sexy skating again equals Oiler awesomeness in the near future. WOOOOOOOOT!

Big Sexy? Aren't you a man?

Good news to some degree I guess.

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#42 Jmask5
November 04 2009, 01:07PM
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Nice to see Souray is progressing. Our PP needs the help. Having said that we'd need to get some PP time first. Last 2 games we've had like 1 powerplay.

I'm not quite sure what Hemsky has but he was flying against the Islanders. The only guy who looked ready to play. Hopefully Laddy is okay because he's the only one playing like an NHL defenceman right now.

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#43 SirFozz
November 04 2009, 01:08PM
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@ Josh

Way to contribute. Horcoff is no good. Fresh take.

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#44 petr klima's helmet
November 04 2009, 01:16PM
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jason, even though horc is only going to be out up to, what, 2 weeks at most? you think its time the team call up a forward from the farm. i've heard on the team, can't remember if it was guy who brought this up or not, but it was said that ryan o'marra seems to have found a niche and is playing well. is there a possibility of him being called up? i'd rather give a center with some size and physical play a chance. anything to get nilsson out of the line-up. have you heard anything?

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#45 Ogden Brother
November 04 2009, 01:17PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

@ Ogden Brother

Horc+Chorney+1st for Vclav

It was suggested during the first period of the Leafs game last night by Doug MacLean (so take it for what it's worth) that he could probably be had as long as they were going to be getting back an awful lot of salary.

I think your trade looks good, but TB is getting a really good deal if they get Chorney. I like Gilbert & Horcoff in that deal. Assuming anyone is healthy enough to ever trade.

Ya who knows, I could see them being more interested in some young, cheap talent rather then a bigger ticket guy like Gilbert.... but I would certainly entertain Horc+Gilbert for Vinny.

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#46 Ogden Brother
November 04 2009, 01:20PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Bring someone like who in? One of those first line centres that are so easy to find and everyone wants to get rid of?

It doesn't matter!!!! LOLZZ! All that matters is that Horc is that 7 7 7 7 7 milion dollar man is gone and we will get someone better and pay him less!!!! OMGGGG!!!!

*drools*

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#47 Dan the Man
November 04 2009, 01:21PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Big Sexy? Aren't you a man?

Good news to some degree I guess.

Yes I am a man. But Big Sexy is a nickname for Souray. All the ladies love him and yes I'm OK with admitting I have a man crush on him. Gregor referred to him as "Kid Gorgeous". Would you question that Gregor is a man?

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#48 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 04 2009, 01:24PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Yes I am a man. But Big Sexy is a nickname for Souray. All the ladies love him and yes I'm OK with admitting I have a man crush on him. Gregor referred to him as "Kid Gorgeous". Would you question that Gregor is a man?

No I seen that he his picture. I just wondered if Dan the man was a coverup. I really don't see what the big deal about Souray is anyways.

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#49 SirFozz
November 04 2009, 01:25PM
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@ OBj and Dan the Man

We dropped the Y during one of the GDB threads. He is simply Big Sex.

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#50 Dan the Man
November 04 2009, 01:25PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

It doesn't matter!!!! LOLZZ! All that matters is that Horc is that 7 7 7 7 7 milion dollar man is gone and we will get someone better and pay him less!!!! OMGGGG!!!!

*drools*

I will ask again....like WHO??

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