UPDATED: Monday morning musings

Jason Gregor
December 14 2009 11:40AM

After a weekend of hibernating, what else is there to do when Edmonton is the second coldest place in the world (someplace in Siberia was two degrees colder Saturday night)? Let’s find out what exactly is going on in Oilerville and the league.

A five-game winning streak has the Oilers back in the playoff hunt, although they are still four points out. The Oilers will need to reel off at least four more wins this month just to stay in contention.

The first place — that’s right first freaking place — Los Angeles Kings come to town tomorrow. Normally the Oilers stink up the joint after a lengthy road trip, but they’d never won five road games on one trip before, so who knows how they will play tomorrow.

I know things are slow in Oilerville, when many of you are debating whether Devan Dubnyk is a legitimate goalie. Fact is we won’t find out anytime soon because Pat Quinn will keep going with Jeff Deslauriers until Nikolai Khabibulin returns. Don’t expect that to happen until 2010, and the likely hood of Khabibulin being traded at the deadline is as likely as me coming back from Costa Rica with flowing locks. Not going to happen!

Annual board of governor meetings

The meetings will be held in Florida this week and concussions, Coyotes’ ownership and future Canadian cities will be the hot topics.

I’d be curious what Wild GM, Chuck Fletcher, has to say on concussions. The Wild have had four players out with head injuries — Andrew Ebbett, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Brent Burns and Petr Sykora — so he’ll be listening closely.

The pace of the game is leading to more concussions, so they either get better helmets or have a severe crackdown on head shots. The problem with the latter is that many of the perceived head shots are legal hits under the current rule book.

Will they change the wording, or have it read that any contact that hits the head first is an automatic penalty?

Once again there is such a grey area that it would be hard for officials to call it correctly.

How often have we seen a hit in a slow-motion replay where it was questionable whether the initial contact was on the head of shoulder? If we can't decide in slow motion how do they expect the officials to get it right in real time?

It's a slippery slope, because if they take a hard stance it could lead to fewer hits overall and that won’t be good for the game.

Edge Holdings Inc is a research investment firm, and they submitted their letter of intent to purchase the Coyotes. Did they do any research that could prove that the Coyotes are a good investment? They must be purchasing them with the hope that they can relocate after a year.

This is a good strategy, and one that Mr. Balsillie should have looked at rather than trying to move the team out of Phoenix before he actually owned the team.

Your move!

The Christmas roster freeze starts on Sunday, so if a team is going to make a move it has to happen before then. The Canadiens are looking to move Jaroslav Halak, but with Philly signing John Grahame there isn’t a long list of teams looking for a goalie. In fact, there are more teams trying to get rid of goalies than bring one in.

The Flyers are a mess. They are tied with the Leafs for 14th in the East, but they aren’t out of it by any stretch. They are only four points behind Montreal for 8th spot and they have three games in hand. Every team in the East is in the playoff hunt excluding the Hurricanes.

On Saturday, 15th place in the West would have been 9th in the East. Only the Oilers, 3-5-1, the Blues, 2-4-2 and the Ducks, 4-5-1 have losing records against the East.

The Avalanche beat the Flames for the 3rd straight time last night, but they are only 2-7-2 against the rest of the NW. The Flames, meanwhile are 0-3 v. the Avs, but are 5-0-1 against the rest of the division. It’s strange that the Avs can dominate the Flames but struggle against the Oilers, Canucks and Wild. The Canucks are 8-4 in the division, while the Oilers are 4-5-1.

I will update you after Oiler practice on the health of Comrie and Khabibulin.

Practice Update: 1:36pm MST

Neither Sheldon Souray nor Gilbert Brule are practicing this morning. Here's what the lines look like:

Penner — Gagner — O'Sullivan
Moreau — Potulny — Cogliano
Nilsson — Horcoff — Stone
Jacques — Pouliot — Stortini

Gilbert — Grebeshkov
Smid — Visnovsky

Brule didn't skate because he wasn't feeling well. He doesn't have an injury and they expect him to play tomorrow night. Souray is resting his back, and back's can be unpredictable. They might err on the cautious side and give him a few extra days.

Look for Horcoff to play with Stone and Nilsson tomorrow. Quinn said he liked what they did in St. Louis, which would mean that Patrick O'Sullivan would play with Jacques and Stortini. He won't mess with the top line, unless Brule gets worse, and he likes the Moreau/Potulny/Cogliano trio.

Nikolai Khabibulin had a good day two days ago, but he isn't ready to skate with the team just yet. Quinn said he was surprised it has taken this long, but they are being very cautious. Mike Comrie looks like he won't return until after Christmas.

Pouliot looked okay, but I'd guess they'd want him to get some conditioning down in Springfield before he plays here. The only way he plays is if Brule can't go, and that seems unlikely.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 14 2009, 02:30PM
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@Bob Cob

Tootoo backs his sh!t up quite often. Peckham grabbed Cooke last year and gave him a good arse kicking, Cooke still does the same crap.

I'd like to see the instigator taken out but at the sametime I'm not sure if it does much.

The refs calling the penalties properly and the league suspending guess properly would be the first thing that needs to be done.

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#52 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 14 2009, 02:32PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

That isn't even an issue in the NHL, I can't see the NHL bringing instant replay in for something that minor.

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#53 Hemmercules
December 14 2009, 02:33PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Consider the goaltender interference scenario:

Penner is standing in front of the opposing team's net, and Chara swoops in and ploughs him into Thomas. The ref sees Penner fall into Thomas but not the push, and calls the penalty. This results in a stoppage in play. Quinn sees what happened and decides to challenge now that the play is dead. Play is reviewed, clearly shows that Chara pushed Penner into Thomas, and no penalty is assessed.

Is this a terrible thing for the league?

I wouldn't mind what you mentioned above. Maybe give the coach 1 challenge flag per game. Only to be used to challenge a penalty against your team. If the coach is wrong it's a double minor.

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#54 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 14 2009, 02:35PM
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Hey what words am I using that the odd post isn't making it? Arse?

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#55 Bucknuck
December 14 2009, 02:41PM
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E-Mac wrote:

What is all this getting rid of Khabby talk? We're going to need the Bulin Wall for the playoffs. No one really thinks he will go far with JDD leading us, do they? Khabby will be back before seasons end, get in shape, and be ready, and fresh, for a long run to the Cup. I'll see you all on Whyte Ave come June.

What a great post! Oh how I wish I could believe like you do. What a breath of fresh air!

But I guess if you are right I will just have to be happily surprised.

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#56 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 14 2009, 02:41PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

That isn't even an issue in the NHL, I can't see the NHL bringing instant replay in for something that minor.

This isn't really in response to anything in the article today, it's just something I've been kicking around in my head. I've come to the conclusion that it can be very valuable in some circumstances.

I remember awhile back, I think it was a Flames game. Player on team A gets high sticked but doesn't go down, the player that high sticked him fell. The ref obviously didn't see what happened because the guy who got high sticked ended up taking the penalty. There might not be enough instances of one particular play that might warrant review, but when you consider all of the possible scenarios where it would be appropriate, it could could change the outcome of multiple games.

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#57 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 14 2009, 02:46PM
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How often are those plays happening though? Then what do you do turn the clock back? The problem is in your examples you are challenging something that the ref called and where there was a stoppage. Do you start going after the plays where no whistle was blown for multiple minutes? Then what do you do just throw a flag out while the play is on and while the other team is on a breakaway?

As Gregor mentioned it isn't like football where there is stoppages every 20 seconds.

I was for review at one time, but it will just slow things down.

Also what is wrong with giving linesman more authority and making those missed calls?

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#58 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 14 2009, 02:51PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

How often are those plays happening though? Then what do you do turn the clock back? The problem is in your examples you are challenging something that the ref called and where there was a stoppage. Do you start going after the plays where no whistle was blown for multiple minutes? Then what do you do just throw a flag out while the play is on and while the other team is on a breakaway?

As Gregor mentioned it isn't like football where there is stoppages every 20 seconds.

I was for review at one time, but it will just slow things down.

Also what is wrong with giving linesman more authority and making those missed calls?

I guess it could get kind of hairy with delayed penalties, now that I think of it. In those circumstances the delay is intended to avoid disadvantaging the team that's not being penalized. It would really only be practical if the penalty was called immediately.

If giving linesman the authority to call those penalties solves the problem of blatant missed plays, I'm all for it. That's really the intent of my proposed solution. Access to more information (whether it be camera angles or another person's perspective) should be embraced if it helps refs make the right calls.

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#59 Dennis
December 14 2009, 03:25PM
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That's a big promotion for 32 and I dare say the new 10 line will be the hard match versus Kopitar's unit come tomorrow night.

Hard to say how the TOI will wind up for the 22-46-19 troika because Quinn doesn't mind messing around with the chemistry and we know that just by looking at who 22 has started with the last few nights - the 10 and 19 combo - and then look at his EVTOI at game's end compared to his two initial linemates.

The 18-16-13 line really hasn't gotten anything done close to resembling offense since the 5-4 SO L versus the Sharks a couple of weeks ago - they were on the ice for 5's 2-2 goal at Dal but that's it - but I guess they are low-event so that counts for something. Though, they are getting outchanced while not playing against real tough competition so I wouldn't be loathe to break them up if the situation calls for it.

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#60 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 14 2009, 03:33PM
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Re: Practice Lines

I wonder if Horcoff will be suited to playing with Nilsson. If he's used to accounting for Hemsky's defensive deficiencies, he could probably do the same for Bobby.

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#61 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 03:41PM
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Dennis wrote:

That's a big promotion for 32 and I dare say the new 10 line will be the hard match versus Kopitar's unit come tomorrow night.

Hard to say how the TOI will wind up for the 22-46-19 troika because Quinn doesn't mind messing around with the chemistry and we know that just by looking at who 22 has started with the last few nights - the 10 and 19 combo - and then look at his EVTOI at game's end compared to his two initial linemates.

The 18-16-13 line really hasn't gotten anything done close to resembling offense since the 5-4 SO L versus the Sharks a couple of weeks ago - they were on the ice for 5's 2-2 goal at Dal but that's it - but I guess they are low-event so that counts for something. Though, they are getting outchanced while not playing against real tough competition so I wouldn't be loathe to break them up if the situation calls for it.

Why do you say big promotion for Stone? He played primarily with O'Sullivan & Comrie before getting injured if I'm not mistaken. He was always used in a top 9 role prior to injury, so how is putting him back into that mix after a few games getting his legs back a BIG promotion?

And Jacques/Stortini/O'Sullivan are now a line? News to me.

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#62 Duke
December 14 2009, 03:44PM
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Can anyone give me a best guess on Khabibulin's return date?

He's available in a fantasy draft i'm in, but i'm only allowed one guy on IR, and Ryan Smyth is using that spot right now. I need a replacement for Ray Emery, and i'm stuck with Brian Bouchard currently.

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#63 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 03:53PM
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instigator rule has nothing to do with nothing, bob.

there is too many players in the nhl that shouldnt be there. here is a few examples from the oilers line up, moreau, staios, strudwick. all around the league on teams there are players like these some worse.

these players that lack skill and speed to keep up with the game, try hard and try to keep them selves in the game. since they cant produce on the score sheets, they try to play physical. knowing the they aint going to be on the highlight realm for their plays, the try to make a name for them selves hitting. they are to concered on keeping their job to worry about their opponents health and well being. now im not saying moreau staios and strudwick are cheap shots i was just using them as examples of players who dont belong in the game.

sorry ill finish when i come back

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#64 Nesquik
December 14 2009, 03:54PM
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Maybe instead of video replay. We let the refs discuss it for a sec. Ref #1 is in the corner only sees Penner (In your situation) but Ref #2 at the blue line saw the whole thing. Not so much an over rule but if we have a team of officials let them work as a team. It makes I think that keeps the flow in the game better then video replay for penalties. (Maybe the can do this already; I have not seen it done though.)

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#65 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 03:55PM
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Duke wrote:

Can anyone give me a best guess on Khabibulin's return date?

He's available in a fantasy draft i'm in, but i'm only allowed one guy on IR, and Ryan Smyth is using that spot right now. I need a replacement for Ray Emery, and i'm stuck with Brian Bouchard currently.

From what I've heard (via Stauffer, Gregor, Brownlee), don't expect Khabibulin back until the new year. Beyond that, who knows... could be January, could be September - who knows? The Oilers have been mum on Khabibulin thus far.

As for Ryan Smyth, I've heard he could be ready for the Kings matchup in Calgary Thurs 12/17/09.

If you're relying on Brian Boucher... OUCH! Is (random name enters head) Dan Ellis available? Could see him being moved, perhaps. There's gotta be more options than Boucher, no?

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#66 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 14 2009, 04:03PM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

instigator rule has nothing to do with nothing, bob.

there is too many players in the nhl that shouldnt be there. here is a few examples from the oilers line up, moreau, staios, strudwick. all around the league on teams there are players like these some worse.

these players that lack skill and speed to keep up with the game, try hard and try to keep them selves in the game. since they cant produce on the score sheets, they try to play physical. knowing the they aint going to be on the highlight realm for their plays, the try to make a name for them selves hitting. they are to concered on keeping their job to worry about their opponents health and well being. now im not saying moreau staios and strudwick are cheap shots i was just using them as examples of players who dont belong in the game.

sorry ill finish when i come back

Did you know that Moreau is consistantly amoungst the teams leading goal scorers at evens?

Probably the hardest, and most valuable stat to rank well in.

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#67 Duke
December 14 2009, 04:07PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

From what I've heard (via Stauffer, Gregor, Brownlee), don't expect Khabibulin back until the new year. Beyond that, who knows... could be January, could be September - who knows? The Oilers have been mum on Khabibulin thus far.

As for Ryan Smyth, I've heard he could be ready for the Kings matchup in Calgary Thurs 12/17/09.

If you're relying on Brian Boucher... OUCH! Is (random name enters head) Dan Ellis available? Could see him being moved, perhaps. There's gotta be more options than Boucher, no?

Actually, i just grabbed Deslauriers.

He'll do, my other goalie is Brodeur.

As for Smytty, i've read his return could be anywhere between tomorrow night to after boxing day.

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#68 SirFozz
December 14 2009, 04:07PM
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@RossCreekNation

What's with the addition of that date in your name? End of the world? If so, I best be getting to some debauchery chop, chop.

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#69 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 04:10PM
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Ummm... to suggest guys like Moreau, Staios & Strudwick "shouldn't be in the NHL" is plain WRONG. 818, 859 & 589 games played respectively suggest otherwise. Are they what they once were - no. But that doesn't mean that they don't belong in the NHL (although I wouldn't go as far as calling Strudwick a regular). There are players in the league that do not belong. But to use them as examples when there are so many others (Derek Boogaard) that could've made a better case is wrong.

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#70 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 14 2009, 04:11PM
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SirFozz wrote:

What's with the addition of that date in your name? End of the world? If so, I best be getting to some debauchery chop, chop.

word on the street is the 12/17/09 signifies the date he finally gets off his f-ing wallet and gets TSN2.

that, or it is a pre-planned midget orgy.

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#71 Travis Dakin
December 14 2009, 04:12PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Tamarindo...Surfing lessons on Christmas day...Can't wait.

I don't know if you've ever been surfing but learn from my mistake.... Wear a long sleeve shirt. One of those Underarmour type shirts or a wetsuit. The salt water and the rubbing of your wet skin on the board when you are doing all of your paddling is murder. Such a bad rash. Trust me on this. Other than that, surfing is AWESOME! And use a long board. at least a 10 footer if you've never been.

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#72 Paq Twinn
December 14 2009, 04:12PM
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Personally I think if Boarding and Charging calls were made when they occured, there would be less concussions. I don't know the stats but I'm willing to bet there are at least 5 of these calls missed per game, every game. As well in most cases of players being concussed they were usually either Boareded or Charged. If the refs simply make those calls more regularly it may help. I also wouldn't be against double minors for those offenses, but that won't help until the refs start making the calls. Just a thought.

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#73 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 04:13PM
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SirFozz wrote:

What's with the addition of that date in your name? End of the world? If so, I best be getting to some debauchery chop, chop.

Nope... just the beginning, my friend. You'll see ;-)

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#74 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 14 2009, 04:14PM
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Nesquik wrote:

Maybe instead of video replay. We let the refs discuss it for a sec. Ref #1 is in the corner only sees Penner (In your situation) but Ref #2 at the blue line saw the whole thing. Not so much an over rule but if we have a team of officials let them work as a team. It makes I think that keeps the flow in the game better then video replay for penalties. (Maybe the can do this already; I have not seen it done though.)

I think this is another great solution. The point I'm really trying to make is that the information is there but people refuse to use it to help the decision making process. That doesn't seem right to me. It reminds me of the people that disagree with Willis' stats on a regular basis:

Poster: "I think ______ is overrated."

Willis: "Actually, his stats X, Y, and Z suggest otherwise."

Poster: "I don't pay attention to stats. I've made up my mind and even if you present a logical argument backed by facts and sound logic, you're not going to sway me."

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#75 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 14 2009, 04:16PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

I think this is another great solution. The point I'm really trying to make is that the information is there but people refuse to use it to help the decision making process. That doesn't seem right to me. It reminds me of the people that disagree with Willis' stats on a regular basis:

Poster: "I think ______ is overrated."

Willis: "Actually, his stats X, Y, and Z suggest otherwise."

Poster: "I don't pay attention to stats. I've made up my mind and even if you present a logical argument backed by facts and sound logic, you're not going to sway me."

~ we all know uneducated personal opinion farts in the face of silly things like facts and statistics on message boards~

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#76 Hemmertime
December 14 2009, 04:18PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

You really think they would do something like that? I can't see the league risking the chance at losing one of their star players due to suspension because he ended a players career.

There would be a limit, like a season.

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#77 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 14 2009, 04:23PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

There would be a limit, like a season.

there is no way the league risks getting a star player suspended for a season.

ie) Game #8 of the season, ovechkin runs carcillo, carcillo misses the season with post-concussion syndrome.

ovechkin sits for the year? the league can barely get the balls to suspend him for 2 games because they cant risk him not playing.

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#78 SirFozz
December 14 2009, 04:24PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Nope... just the beginning, my friend. You'll see ;-)

Exciting!!! But with the lack of info I'll be forced to come to my own conclusions for the next few day...

Hey everyone! RossCreek is getting sex change so he can get with Tiger!

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#79 Dennis
December 14 2009, 04:25PM
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@RossCreekNation

It's a big promotion if he's hard matching against the other team's top line and that's what he'll be doing if he keeps playing with 10.

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#80 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 04:34PM
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LOLZ

~Damn, the cat is out of the bag~

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#81 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 04:40PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

Check out the draft lately? I'm guessing the almighty Minister Towel Boy will have some bad news for you.

Before gloating, I guess I should ask who is your team?

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#82 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 04:52PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

i didnt know that, thanks. where do i find that stat ?

i dont care about the stat, i watch him play. most of the nights he looks like he doesnt belong. i shouldnt have to go into detail about strudwick and staios.

i think for most part, the careers of regular hockey players are too long. i was using moreau staios and strudwick as examples of players who dont belong in the game skill wise, age is a part of that as well. the goons is a given, i didnt think id have to mention them. i never did understand, how another man fighting your battle because your weakness got exposed, made you tougher or gave you more heart ?

i apologize if i hurt anyones feelings for nothing being a fan of strudwick, moreau and staios. that is not to say that i dont appreciate what they do for the oilers on some plays on odd nights.

if nhl is a league that is making its money on showcasing hockey ? they should do more to make it presentable and respectable.

in soccer players shake hands before and after the game. in football players shake hands and pray together after the game. in nhl it takes four refs pushing and pulling players to send them to the locker rooms.

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#83 Oilitsinyoutogive
December 14 2009, 05:11PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

LOLZ

~Damn, the cat is out of the bag~

not cat....you mean the Tiger is outta the bag

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#84 Original Ogden Brother
December 14 2009, 05:17PM
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@ Oil kings' pretty things

Glad to see someone steps up to solidify your previous post:

"i dont care about the stat, i watch him play. most of the nights he looks like he doesnt belong. i shouldnt have to go into detail about strudwick and staios."

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#86 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 05:22PM
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@Original Ogden Brother

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. It didn't even take an hour for someone to prove him right.

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#87 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 05:26PM
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Umm... ooops, sorry Gregor. Didn't see that part. Was that added in there after the lines you posted or at the same time because I don't recall seeing anything after 'Smid-Visnovsky' when I looked earlier. I assumed if Brule was in, then Stone or Nilsson would be taken off of Horc's line in favour of O'Sullivan.

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#88 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 05:30PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Umm... ooops, sorry Gregor. Didn't see that part. Was that added in there after the lines you posted or at the same time because I don't recall seeing anything after 'Smid-Visnovsky' when I looked earlier. I assumed if Brule was in, then Stone or Nilsson would be taken off of Horc's line in favour of O'Sullivan.

Incidentally, to stick with Dennis' point of hard-matching, wouldn't it make more sense to have O'Sullivan against the tough opposition than Nilsson?

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#90 rubbertrout
December 14 2009, 05:41PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

1. Ice Edge agreed to keep the team in Phoenix for the remainder of the lease on the arena. That locks them in for 26 more years.

2. One thing that I've been thinking about (especially after watching a lot of CFL football with my girlfriend this season)... Why doesn't the NHL allow teams to challenge calls (or non-calls) for penalties? Seems to me that if teams are given a challenge - or one in lieu of their time out - it might keep players a little bit more accountable. With all of the cameras on the ice, why rely on 3 or 4 refs to see everything?

I thought it was specifically left for Ice Edge to re-negotiate the lease with Glendale before any sale would be final?

I might be wrong about that though. I heard it did call for some games to be played in Saskatoon though.

Of course I'm an idiot so nobody should listen to me anyway.

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#91 rubbertrout
December 14 2009, 05:42PM
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@Jason Gregor

My favorite part about soccer is when they are carted off in agony and then the trainer hits them with the magic sponge. Now they can get up, walk gingerly for a few steps, and then get right back out there.

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#92 Shaun Doe
December 14 2009, 06:08PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

I don't know if you've ever been surfing but learn from my mistake.... Wear a long sleeve shirt. One of those Underarmour type shirts or a wetsuit. The salt water and the rubbing of your wet skin on the board when you are doing all of your paddling is murder. Such a bad rash. Trust me on this. Other than that, surfing is AWESOME! And use a long board. at least a 10 footer if you've never been.

Its called board rash and yes its suggested. You can buy rash gaurds from most surf shops but I a sure that an under-armor shirt would do. The rash guards are just a little bit more durrable in the face of grit and wax.

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#93 Eddie Shore
December 14 2009, 06:12PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:
if nhl is a league that is making its money on showcasing hockey ? they should do more to make it presentable and respectable. in soccer players shake hands before and after the game. in football players shake hands and pray together after the game. in nhl it takes four refs pushing and pulling players to send them to the locker rooms.

Yes soccer is very respectful. They have stretchers lined up on the side so guys can get stretchered off the pitch after a tackle. Please. Soccer is a disgrace with all of their diving.

Do you watch soccer?? Not every player dives like he's been shot AAND they are actually cracking down on diving. FYI

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#94 Giggsunited
December 14 2009, 06:13PM
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Shaun Doe wrote:

Its called board rash and yes its suggested. You can buy rash gaurds from most surf shops but I a sure that an under-armor shirt would do. The rash guards are just a little bit more durrable in the face of grit and wax.

hmmmmm, a couple of edmontonians talking about surfing? after a - 58 day!

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#95 Giggsunited
December 14 2009, 06:14PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Do you watch soccer?? Not every player dives like he's been shot AAND they are actually cracking down on diving. FYI

ya! talk to soccer Steve!

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#96 Word
December 14 2009, 06:18PM
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Gregor, Tamarindo is unreal. It's got the right sleepy feel to be a proper surf town. You'll dig it.

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#97 Hemmertime
December 14 2009, 06:30PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Nope... just the beginning, my friend. You'll see ;-)

It's when the second commenter arrives on Flames Nation?

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#98 Hemmertime
December 14 2009, 06:33PM
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in soccer players shake hands before and after the game. in football players shake hands and pray together after the game. in nhl it takes four refs pushing and pulling players to send them to the locker rooms.

Ill take real competitiveness and animosity any day, shows they care.

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#99 Lofty
December 14 2009, 06:34PM
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Giggsunited wrote:

hmmmmm, a couple of edmontonians talking about surfing? after a - 58 day!

I'v heard its been a little chille in the chuck... but at least you guys get the ODR (outdoor rink) I just get to play golf, its sad.

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#100 David S
December 14 2009, 06:35PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Incidentally, to stick with Dennis' point of hard-matching, wouldn't it make more sense to have O'Sullivan against the tough opposition than Nilsson?

Oh man. I guess they don't have TV where you live because if you did you'd be seeing POS playing like a POS. Nilsson's at least putting up some points and trying to be productive. The way POS is stinking up the joint, Comrie would be a pretty decent upgrade.

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