UPDATED: Monday morning musings

Jason Gregor
December 14 2009 11:40AM

After a weekend of hibernating, what else is there to do when Edmonton is the second coldest place in the world (someplace in Siberia was two degrees colder Saturday night)? Let’s find out what exactly is going on in Oilerville and the league.

A five-game winning streak has the Oilers back in the playoff hunt, although they are still four points out. The Oilers will need to reel off at least four more wins this month just to stay in contention.

The first place — that’s right first freaking place — Los Angeles Kings come to town tomorrow. Normally the Oilers stink up the joint after a lengthy road trip, but they’d never won five road games on one trip before, so who knows how they will play tomorrow.

I know things are slow in Oilerville, when many of you are debating whether Devan Dubnyk is a legitimate goalie. Fact is we won’t find out anytime soon because Pat Quinn will keep going with Jeff Deslauriers until Nikolai Khabibulin returns. Don’t expect that to happen until 2010, and the likely hood of Khabibulin being traded at the deadline is as likely as me coming back from Costa Rica with flowing locks. Not going to happen!

Annual board of governor meetings

The meetings will be held in Florida this week and concussions, Coyotes’ ownership and future Canadian cities will be the hot topics.

I’d be curious what Wild GM, Chuck Fletcher, has to say on concussions. The Wild have had four players out with head injuries — Andrew Ebbett, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Brent Burns and Petr Sykora — so he’ll be listening closely.

The pace of the game is leading to more concussions, so they either get better helmets or have a severe crackdown on head shots. The problem with the latter is that many of the perceived head shots are legal hits under the current rule book.

Will they change the wording, or have it read that any contact that hits the head first is an automatic penalty?

Once again there is such a grey area that it would be hard for officials to call it correctly.

How often have we seen a hit in a slow-motion replay where it was questionable whether the initial contact was on the head of shoulder? If we can't decide in slow motion how do they expect the officials to get it right in real time?

It's a slippery slope, because if they take a hard stance it could lead to fewer hits overall and that won’t be good for the game.

Edge Holdings Inc is a research investment firm, and they submitted their letter of intent to purchase the Coyotes. Did they do any research that could prove that the Coyotes are a good investment? They must be purchasing them with the hope that they can relocate after a year.

This is a good strategy, and one that Mr. Balsillie should have looked at rather than trying to move the team out of Phoenix before he actually owned the team.

Your move!

The Christmas roster freeze starts on Sunday, so if a team is going to make a move it has to happen before then. The Canadiens are looking to move Jaroslav Halak, but with Philly signing John Grahame there isn’t a long list of teams looking for a goalie. In fact, there are more teams trying to get rid of goalies than bring one in.

The Flyers are a mess. They are tied with the Leafs for 14th in the East, but they aren’t out of it by any stretch. They are only four points behind Montreal for 8th spot and they have three games in hand. Every team in the East is in the playoff hunt excluding the Hurricanes.

On Saturday, 15th place in the West would have been 9th in the East. Only the Oilers, 3-5-1, the Blues, 2-4-2 and the Ducks, 4-5-1 have losing records against the East.

The Avalanche beat the Flames for the 3rd straight time last night, but they are only 2-7-2 against the rest of the NW. The Flames, meanwhile are 0-3 v. the Avs, but are 5-0-1 against the rest of the division. It’s strange that the Avs can dominate the Flames but struggle against the Oilers, Canucks and Wild. The Canucks are 8-4 in the division, while the Oilers are 4-5-1.

I will update you after Oiler practice on the health of Comrie and Khabibulin.

Practice Update: 1:36pm MST

Neither Sheldon Souray nor Gilbert Brule are practicing this morning. Here's what the lines look like:

Penner — Gagner — O'Sullivan
Moreau — Potulny — Cogliano
Nilsson — Horcoff — Stone
Jacques — Pouliot — Stortini

Gilbert — Grebeshkov
Smid — Visnovsky

Brule didn't skate because he wasn't feeling well. He doesn't have an injury and they expect him to play tomorrow night. Souray is resting his back, and back's can be unpredictable. They might err on the cautious side and give him a few extra days.

Look for Horcoff to play with Stone and Nilsson tomorrow. Quinn said he liked what they did in St. Louis, which would mean that Patrick O'Sullivan would play with Jacques and Stortini. He won't mess with the top line, unless Brule gets worse, and he likes the Moreau/Potulny/Cogliano trio.

Nikolai Khabibulin had a good day two days ago, but he isn't ready to skate with the team just yet. Quinn said he was surprised it has taken this long, but they are being very cautious. Mike Comrie looks like he won't return until after Christmas.

Pouliot looked okay, but I'd guess they'd want him to get some conditioning down in Springfield before he plays here. The only way he plays is if Brule can't go, and that seems unlikely.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#101 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 14 2009, 06:37PM
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I thought it was specifically left for Ice Edge to re-negotiate the lease with Glendale before any sale would be final?

I might be wrong about that though. I heard it did call for some games to be played in Saskatoon though.

Of course I'm an idiot so nobody should listen to me anyway.

All of the reports I've seen indicate their commitment to stay in Glendale is central to the offer, and that's why the NHL is entertaining the offer. They'd take too much heat if they allowed Ice Edge to keep them for a year then relocate, seeing as how that's roughly equivalent to Balsillie's offer.

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#102 Giggsunited
December 14 2009, 06:38PM
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Comment from TSN on Khabibulin; Comment: Not playing as well as he did in Chicago last year and hasn't played for nearly a month due to back injury. Didnt he carry the team the whole time he was healthy?

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#103 Shaun Doe
December 14 2009, 06:38PM
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Giggsunited wrote:

hmmmmm, a couple of edmontonians talking about surfing? after a - 58 day!

Nah I'm a BC resident so I get the occasional surf weekend in Tofino. But I have taken my board down to San Diego as well where I got to use my rash gaurd.

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#104 Lofty
December 14 2009, 06:46PM
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Giggsunited wrote:

Comment from TSN on Khabibulin; Comment: Not playing as well as he did in Chicago last year and hasn't played for nearly a month due to back injury. Didnt he carry the team the whole time he was healthy?

I bet Pierre McGuire had something to do with this nonsense. From everything I have seen he hasnt been any worse than his time in Chicago. Did you hear the word MONSTER or Rick Nash = stud anywhere... if you did it was obviously the giant midget PMG.

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#105 Lofty
December 14 2009, 06:48PM
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~Do you go storm watching?~

Who pays $300 a night to watch a storm?

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#106 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 07:05PM
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David S wrote:

Oh man. I guess they don't have TV where you live because if you did you'd be seeing POS playing like a POS. Nilsson's at least putting up some points and trying to be productive. The way POS is stinking up the joint, Comrie would be a pretty decent upgrade.

Personally, I know which player I'd take... and its not Bobby. We all know how you feel about Patty. I disagree with your sentiment (not that he's played spectacular by any means).

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#107 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 07:06PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

It's when the second commenter arrives on Flames Nation?

LOL, good1. There's AT LEAST 5 of us... and growing!

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#108 RossCreekNation
December 14 2009, 07:07PM
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Lofty wrote:

I bet Pierre McGuire had something to do with this nonsense. From everything I have seen he hasnt been any worse than his time in Chicago. Did you hear the word MONSTER or Rick Nash = stud anywhere... if you did it was obviously the giant midget PMG.

~Ya, totally~

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#109 TigerUnderGlass
December 14 2009, 07:43PM
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@Shaun Doe

I wish I had heard of a "rash guard" back when I was 18.

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#110 Hemmertime
December 14 2009, 07:50PM
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Anyone know if Eberle is going to play for Pats on Wednesday against the Oil Kings or if the World Juniors tryout will occupy him that day? Its in Regina so who knows.

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#111 Heavyd
December 14 2009, 08:28PM
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@Hemmertime

The game is in edmonton. And they are at camp. No they dont play in any junior games.

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#112 Hemmertime
December 14 2009, 08:43PM
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@Heavyd

ya, didnt know how long camp was. Well, no point in going then

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#113 The Real Scuba Steve
December 14 2009, 09:14PM
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Giggsunited wrote:

pure speculation of course on retirement

That would be another kick to Tambo's nuts.

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#114 Heavyd
December 14 2009, 09:24PM
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I was thinking about this bulin thing. What if he doesnt retire, and we sign deslauries, to a 3 or 4 year contract, at 2 million a season. Would the fans be mad that our backup makes 3 million and our starter makes 2 million. Not bad 5 million for two goalies, imo.

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#115 Yakman
December 14 2009, 09:43PM
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Any truth to the rumours that Bulin's injury is now thought to be career ending?

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#116 Giggsunited
December 14 2009, 09:53PM
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Yakman wrote:

Any truth to the rumours that Bulin's injury is now thought to be career ending?

and so the rumour gets bigger! lol

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#117 Eddie Shore
December 14 2009, 10:13PM
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Yakman wrote:

Any truth to the rumours that Bulin's injury is now thought to be career ending?

No.

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#119 Cole G
December 14 2009, 10:53PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

No.

I was waiting for this rumor to pop up, i just read it on another site and i have to shake my head at people who jump to conclusions like that.

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#120 Original Ogden Brother
December 14 2009, 10:54PM
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"I was thinking about this bulin thing. What if he doesnt retire, and we sign deslauries, to a 3 or 4 year contract, at 2 million a season. Would the fans be mad that our backup makes 3 million and our starter makes 2 million. Not bad 5 million for two goalies, imo."

Why does this fan base always go to the extremes. JDD has had a nice run, but he's no where close to unseating Bulin as the teams #1.

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#121 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 10:55PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:
if nhl is a league that is making its money on showcasing hockey ? they should do more to make it presentable and respectable. in soccer players shake hands before and after the game. in football players shake hands and pray together after the game. in nhl it takes four refs pushing and pulling players to send them to the locker rooms.

Yes soccer is very respectful. They have stretchers lined up on the side so guys can get stretchered off the pitch after a tackle. Please. Soccer is a disgrace with all of their diving.

please. i bet you haven't watched a single soccer game in your life. but either way your opinion on soccer don't matter. sorry it does, about as much as your opinion on hockey.

hockey is such a man sport. when souray injured his shoulder, moreau carried him to the u of a hospital in his arms.

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#122 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 10:56PM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

@ Oil kings' pretty things

Glad to see someone steps up to solidify your previous post:

"i dont care about the stat, i watch him play. most of the nights he looks like he doesnt belong. i shouldnt have to go into detail about strudwick and staios."

where is the link to the stat, lil willis ?

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#123 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 10:58PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. It didn't even take an hour for someone to prove him right.

LOL ?

how did i prove him right ?

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#124 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 11:02PM
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Hemmertime wrote:
in soccer players shake hands before and after the game. in football players shake hands and pray together after the game. in nhl it takes four refs pushing and pulling players to send them to the locker rooms.

Ill take real competitiveness and animosity any day, shows they care.

so you are telling me that, nfl is not competitive and that their players are ballerinas ? that euro and the world cups arent competitive and they dont build animosity ? who cares ?

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#125 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 11:04PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:
Do you watch soccer?? Not every player dives like he's been shot AAND they are actually cracking down on diving. FYI

Yes I do actually. And I know they don't all dive, but suggesting that hockey should be presentable like soccer was laughable.

Did you know that after every game in hockey that the refs don't pull the players apart or escort them to the dressing room? FYI

i didnt say it should be presented like soccer. where did you get that idea ? i also didnt say every game in hockey, did i ?

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#126 Original Ogden Brother
December 14 2009, 11:25PM
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"where is the link to the stat, lil willis ?"

NHL.com - Edmonton Oilers - EV goal scoring

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#127 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 11:40PM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

"where is the link to the stat, lil willis ?"

NHL.com - Edmonton Oilers - EV goal scoring

how is that a link ?

show me where you found it, don't be greedy.

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#128 Sandra
December 14 2009, 11:47PM
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Did the Oilers pick up a goalie off of waivers?

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#129 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 14 2009, 11:52PM
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yes, they did. scooped up Michal Neuvirth from the Capitals.

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#130 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 15 2009, 12:08AM
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no they didnt. sorry ekhlund was wrong, he just texted me again.

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#131 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 15 2009, 06:50AM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

no they didnt. sorry ekhlund was wrong, he just texted me again.

that little shred on credibility you had is now long gone.

it would be rude of me to come right out and call you an idiot, so i wont do that

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#132 freeze
December 15 2009, 07:58AM
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why are you still here?

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#133 rubbertrout
December 15 2009, 08:12AM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

instigator rule has nothing to do with nothing, bob.

there is too many players in the nhl that shouldnt be there. here is a few examples from the oilers line up, moreau, staios, strudwick. all around the league on teams there are players like these some worse.

these players that lack skill and speed to keep up with the game, try hard and try to keep them selves in the game. since they cant produce on the score sheets, they try to play physical. knowing the they aint going to be on the highlight realm for their plays, the try to make a name for them selves hitting. they are to concered on keeping their job to worry about their opponents health and well being. now im not saying moreau staios and strudwick are cheap shots i was just using them as examples of players who dont belong in the game.

sorry ill finish when i come back

If there are too many players in the NHL who shouldn't be there who do you propose to replace them with? If you're saying we need to contract the league by a few teams that's one thing but the fact is that these guys have jobs in the NHL because they are better than the other available options for one reason or another (financial, cap-wise, veteran presence, not wanting to burn cheap years on new draftees etc.)

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#134 rubbertrout
December 15 2009, 08:17AM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

That would be another kick to Tambo's nuts.

A kick in the nuts or a get out of jail free card?

Don't we get some cap relief if he goes down in the first year? I never know how it works for the guys over 35.

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#135 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 15 2009, 08:22AM
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If there are too many players in the NHL who shouldn't be there who do you propose to replace them with? If you're saying we need to contract the league by a few teams that's one thing but the fact is that these guys have jobs in the NHL because they are better than the other available options for one reason or another (financial, cap-wise, veteran presence, not wanting to burn cheap years on new draftees etc.)

Bingo

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#136 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 15 2009, 08:24AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

that little shred on credibility you had is now long gone.

it would be rude of me to come right out and call you an idiot, so i wont do that

Remember his 'source'? Haha!

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#137 Harlie
December 15 2009, 09:01AM
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you're dead to me, you scumbag Nazi lover.

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#138 RossCreekNation
December 15 2009, 09:16AM
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WORLD JR. UPDATE

Four cuts today...

Taylor Hall remains, Tyler Seguin does not.

Departing camp along with Seguin (Plymouth Whalers) are defencemen Brandon Gormley (Moncton Wildcats) and Nicolas Deslauriers (Rouyn-Noranda) along with Sudbury Wolves forward John McFarland.

Oilers prospects Philippe Cornet and Olivier Roy are still in camp along with shoe-in Jordan Eberle, and Flames prospect Greg Nemisz remains in the mix as well. With 2 goals and 2 assists in Monday's intrasquad game, Nemisz along with two other members of the Memorial Cup champion Windsor Spitfires led the way. Adam Henrique had the tying and winning goals in the third period and Taylor Hall had 4 assists.

Final cuts are expected Wednesday morning.

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#139 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 15 2009, 09:29AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

WORLD JR. UPDATE

Four cuts today...

Taylor Hall remains, Tyler Seguin does not.

Departing camp along with Seguin (Plymouth Whalers) are defencemen Brandon Gormley (Moncton Wildcats) and Nicolas Deslauriers (Rouyn-Noranda) along with Sudbury Wolves forward John McFarland.

Oilers prospects Philippe Cornet and Olivier Roy are still in camp along with shoe-in Jordan Eberle, and Flames prospect Greg Nemisz remains in the mix as well. With 2 goals and 2 assists in Monday's intrasquad game, Nemisz along with two other members of the Memorial Cup champion Windsor Spitfires led the way. Adam Henrique had the tying and winning goals in the third period and Taylor Hall had 4 assists.

Final cuts are expected Wednesday morning.

~Nobody cares about your stupid Flames prospects. This is an Oilers board.~

135. RossCreek Renegades

288. Team Discovery Channel

...damn.

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#140 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 15 2009, 09:48AM
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Listening to Rishaug last night I was suprised to hear that Kadri could be cut. Sounds like Cornet might be some sort of a long shot as well.

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#141 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 15 2009, 09:52AM
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Copper 'n' Blue suggesting Cogliano + Moreau for Vokoun on the heels of this herniated disc business for Khabibulin:

hxxp://www.coppernblue.com/2009/12/14/1200807/khabibulin-done?ref=CBS

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#142 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 15 2009, 10:02AM
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What good does that do us when Bulin comes back next year?

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#143 Bucknuck
December 15 2009, 10:05AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

What good does that do us when Bulin comes back next year?

I think the inference is that this might be a career ending injury.

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#144 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 15 2009, 10:06AM
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What the holl are those guys talking about, Mkie Rathje section? Rathje wasn't 35 when he signed his current contract so he and Bulin aren't even close to the same scenario.

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#145 Sandra
December 15 2009, 10:16AM
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Didn't the Oilers pick up Leighton?

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#146 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 15 2009, 10:28AM
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Flyers grab Leighton.

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#147 Senator Theo
December 15 2009, 10:52AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

that little shred on credibility you had is now long gone.

it would be rude of me to come right out and call you an idiot, so i wont do that

That would be an insult to any idiots out there.

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#148 Original Ogden Brother
December 15 2009, 11:17AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

WORLD JR. UPDATE

Four cuts today...

Taylor Hall remains, Tyler Seguin does not.

Departing camp along with Seguin (Plymouth Whalers) are defencemen Brandon Gormley (Moncton Wildcats) and Nicolas Deslauriers (Rouyn-Noranda) along with Sudbury Wolves forward John McFarland.

Oilers prospects Philippe Cornet and Olivier Roy are still in camp along with shoe-in Jordan Eberle, and Flames prospect Greg Nemisz remains in the mix as well. With 2 goals and 2 assists in Monday's intrasquad game, Nemisz along with two other members of the Memorial Cup champion Windsor Spitfires led the way. Adam Henrique had the tying and winning goals in the third period and Taylor Hall had 4 assists.

Final cuts are expected Wednesday morning.

Is it just me, or does this years Canadian Jr team seem pretty underwhelming compared to usual?

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#149 Ogden Brother
December 15 2009, 11:19AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Copper 'n' Blue suggesting Cogliano + Moreau for Vokoun on the heels of this herniated disc business for Khabibulin:

hxxp://www.coppernblue.com/2009/12/14/1200807/khabibulin-done?ref=CBS

Interesting. I wanted Vokoun in the summer (figured Florida would want to save $$$)

Losing both Cogs and Moreau would leave us pretty thin up front though.

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#150 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 15 2009, 11:20AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Interesting. I wanted Vokoun in the summer (figured Florida would want to save $$$)

Losing both Cogs and Moreau would leave us pretty thin up front though.

What if we've got Comrie and Pouliot back?

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