Oilers vs. Kings Postgame: Pat Quinn Moves To Stage Two

Jonathan Willis
December 15 2009 11:08PM

Los Angeles Kings: 3

Edmonton Oilers: 2

The Oilers rallied to come back from a two goal lead, but succumbed to a third period goal from Sean O’Donnell, who hasn’t scored since Chris Chelios was a twinkle in his father’s eye.

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me 

1. Dustin Penner. Had a great game by my eye, generated chances all evening and it was just bad luck that he didn’t end up with any points on the evening. Also crushed Matt Greene early in the first, a hit the commentators failed to mention when they talked about the ex-Oiler manhandling the current Oiler.

2. Sheldon Souray. Goal and an assist tonight for Souray, who was shooting to kill again. There’s a certain irrepressible satisfaction to watching him shoot and waiting for the carnage.

3. Robert Nilsson. Nilsson engaged physically and had a few quality chances; he didn’t look at all out of place back on a scoring line and I hope Quinn keeps him, Stone and Horcoff together for another game or two. 

As Pat Quinn Saw It

“We’re the team that’s supposed to be rested and fresh; I don’t know if there’s any excuse for being dumb.” 
“We don’t shoot the puck, we stay out to long, we make bad changes , we do things that beat ourselves.”
“If we feel decent that we lost, that we did a couple of good things or ‘ Ilooked nice and I stick-handled by somebody once in a while’, then we’re kidding ourselves, because that’s the result we’ll get more often than not.”
“I haven’t felt angry this year, really, but I’m angry now.”
“We’ve got lots of goddamned excuses, but the result’s the same. We end up being tired, we can’t cover off, and a weak shot goes in from the boards. I mean, how many times do we have to go through that crap? I don’t know, if it’s the first game back stuff, that’s another bloody excuse as far as I’m concerned.” 

Random Thoughts

I’m not sure why Quinn was so livid about this game but not about some of the other crap performances the Oilers have put in; maybe I missed something but brain-cramps aside it looked to me like the Oilers outplayed the Kings. Still, the Kings were playing their second game in two nights, so perhaps that’s part of it.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen Shawn Horcoff as livid after a call as he was tonight after getting whistled in the third; and I don’t blame him in the slightest. Dustin Brown went down really, really easy and apparently isn’t above diving when the game is on the line.  Of course, if Horcoff hadn't pushed him he wouldn't have had the opportunity to dive...

Everybody pointed out Grebeshkov’s giveaway on the Kings’ first goal and chalked it up to rust, but what was Steve Staios’ excuse? Last I checked, priority one for a defenseman in a 2-on-1 situation is to block the pass, but Staios got suckered in too low to prevent Brown from sliding the puck over to Brad Richardson.

Sad to see the Oilers blow this one, particularly given their success when coming back off lengthy road trips. Since 1999-00, the Oilers have come back from 30 road trips four games or longer, and have piled up 41 points in their first game back; a 112-point pace.

The Oilers outshot the Kings 27-23 at even-strength; with the top two lines managing an 18-7 outshooting clip. The flip side of that is that the third and fourth lines were outshot 9-16.

No King was outshot as badly as ex-Oiler Matt Greene, who was busy being lionized by the play-by-play crew; I’m not saying he had a bad game but he kept getting matched up against the Oilers’ top two lines and those lines both did a good job keeping the puck in the right end of the rink.

Getting back to Pat Quinn’s post-game comments, I have to wonder if he’s trying to be proactive in preventing a backslide; the team has played as well over the last half dozen games as they have all season.

For everyone still uncertain about the (joking) reference in the title - get ready for bargaining.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 David S
December 16 2009, 11:20AM
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misfit wrote:

I missed the first period, so I basically didn't see O'Sullivan play at all. What exactly did he do that was so bad to get him bench for the last half of the game?

He didn't do anything. Which is why he was benched.

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#52 Reggie
December 16 2009, 11:22AM
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And if you want to talk about the first goal further, rewind to the cause of the two-on-one. Staios has the puck at the King's blueline and is pressured by the forward. Instead of dumping it back into the corner and let the forwards cycle, he makes a pass across the blue to Grebs. The pass was decent enough, but the problem was the forward checking Grebs was as tight to the blue as the guy in front of Staios. The result is before Grebs could do anything, the forward was on him and the turnover happened.

Up the ice the Kings go on the two-on-one.

Yes, Grebs needed to get the puck deep, but missed the chance, but his opportunity for success was not likely.

Staios makes the original dump into the corner as suggested there is no problem.

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#53 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 16 2009, 11:23AM
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The Moose are playing the Lake Erie Monsters on Friday. Figured I'd check to see how they're doing in the league standings... turns out they're one of 3 teams that have fewer points than the Falcons. Yee-ikes.

The Falcons are also 3rd-last in GF/GA differential at -31, ahead of only Lake Erie (-35) and Syracuse (-40).

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#54 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 11:26AM
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@Reggie

its not staios fault. he is awesome. old slow and awesome. oilers need more players like him. not much skill but a lot of heart. grebs should have made up for staios mistake, he owes it to him. if strudwick was there with staios that doesnt happen. together the two are double awesome.

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#55 David S
December 16 2009, 11:35AM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

kovalchuk wont come here. he hates comrie. he hates edmonton. plus, they loaded the thrashers full of russians to try to keep him there. only way he leaves atlanta is if the whole team does.

And Pat Quinn LOVES cake donuts.

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#56 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 11:37AM
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@Balf82

No need for Fisher and Horcoff on the same team, no need for Chechoo either. Volchenkov would be nice but he is a UFA at season end. And if Ottawa is missing Spezza losing Fisher and adding O'Sullivan and Cogliano makes them worse.

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#57 MrOiler
December 16 2009, 11:45AM
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"For everyone still uncertain about the (joking) reference in the title - get ready for bargaining."

Pessimist.

Sometimes I think bloggers (see Lowetide, as well) are more interested in having their predictions come true than to have their team win.

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#58 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 16 2009, 11:54AM
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MrOiler wrote:

"For everyone still uncertain about the (joking) reference in the title - get ready for bargaining."

Pessimist.

Sometimes I think bloggers (see Lowetide, as well) are more interested in having their predictions come true than to have their team win.

Why would a good blogger "have interest" in his team winning?

I would think a resonable, logical blogger would have a far better chance of making a career out of his blogging vs a "rah rah" blogger.

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#59 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 12:09PM
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Random BS that is driving me nuts.

1. Hemsky for two prospects 2. JDD will never be a starting goalie so DD should get the starts from now on. 3. We were cup contenders, no we lost last night now we are Hall contenders. 4. We have an awesome first line, defense, goalie and bottom six. So we are losing because of our 2nd line? 5. People complaining it's quite in Rexall yet when asked those people only cheer after goals as well.

There is many more, but these are a few of the things I have seen and heard the last few days.

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#60 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 16 2009, 12:19PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Random BS that is driving me nuts.

1. Hemsky for two prospects 2. JDD will never be a starting goalie so DD should get the starts from now on. 3. We were cup contenders, no we lost last night now we are Hall contenders. 4. We have an awesome first line, defense, goalie and bottom six. So we are losing because of our 2nd line? 5. People complaining it's quite in Rexall yet when asked those people only cheer after goals as well.

There is many more, but these are a few of the things I have seen and heard the last few days.

It -is- kind of quiet in Rexall. I'd cheer all the time but the guy in the apartment next door might register a complaint.

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#61 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 12:19PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

these are results and words of, spolied knowitall fans.

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#62 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 12:22PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

its weird that people complain about the second line. its centred by a first line centre, that shouldnt be a problem.

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#63 Dan the Man
December 16 2009, 12:29PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

Are people complaining about the 2nd line or is it just any line that Horcoff is currently on?

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#64 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 12:30PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

I don't give a crap about what the neighbors have to say. Mind ya I live in Mill Woods and neither neighbor appears to talk english.

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#65 Banger
December 16 2009, 12:30PM
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Dave wrote:

Why does it matter that Greene was on for that many shots? Outside of the awful giveaway to Penner, he was a force. He had six hits, and was involved all night.

The stat that he was on for the most shots shows what exactly? Did he touch the puck at any point during the stretches? If all the shots were from the point, what does it prove.

Sometimes you seem to rely on stats too much. Just my opinion.

Bang On. Greene was one of the better kings players last night. He isnt going to score you goals but he is a solid stay at home that i would want out there to defend a lead. Until he takes a holding penalty i guess.

Willis doesnt actually watch the games does he? I thought he just read the stats sheets after and figured it out from there.....

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#66 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 12:33PM
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@Dan the Man

It's not a complaint. There was a poster saying we have an awesome first line, great bottom six, solid defense and solid goaltending.

My observation is that if everything else is awesome is our 2nd line the reason we are where we are or is it because we aren't awesome in all those areas?

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#67 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 16 2009, 12:40PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

It's not a complaint. There was a poster saying we have an awesome first line, great bottom six, solid defense and solid goaltending.

My observation is that if everything else is awesome is our 2nd line the reason we are where we are or is it because we aren't awesome in all those areas?

Our defense (more so team defense) licks.

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#68 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 16 2009, 12:41PM
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I think it's time someone asked:

Is Quin ruining Cogs/O'sully/Grebs/Gilbert?

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#69 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 12:43PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Not according to multiple posters on various sites.

I've said for years our defense licks so need convincing me, I'm still waiting to hear why Lubo doesn't play on the PK or when the team is trying to hold a lead.

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#70 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 12:44PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I take Gilbert out he seems to be doing better lately. Also for Grebs and Gilbert their offense goes down when they aren't in the top pair, give them the time and they will be 40 point d-men.

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#71 Dan the Man
December 16 2009, 12:56PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I think it's time someone asked:

Is Quin ruining Cogs/O'sully/Grebs/Gilbert?

O'Sully was equally awful under MacT last year.

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#72 misfit
December 16 2009, 12:58PM
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Banger wrote:

Bang On. Greene was one of the better kings players last night. He isnt going to score you goals but he is a solid stay at home that i would want out there to defend a lead. Until he takes a holding penalty i guess.

Willis doesnt actually watch the games does he? I thought he just read the stats sheets after and figured it out from there.....

I can't say what Willis is doing on gameday, but I highly doubt a guy who devotes as much of his time to discussing the Oilers as he does doesn't also watch the games he's talking about.

But I do find it funny how Willis gets villainized for using stats and seemingly not watching the games (which seems to be a brought up a lot, and I really don't know why), yet the argument that Greene had a great game because he had 6 hits (a stat, no?) is perfectly acceptable.

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#73 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 01:06PM
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@misfit

To the last point, well if you said Greene was out there making some solid checks last night and you added that 6 is the number he was given by the counters then that is different then saying Greene did well with 6 hits last night.

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#74 rubbertrout
December 16 2009, 01:18PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

O'Sully was equally awful under MacT last year.

But O'Sullivan didn't really have a lot of time to get into the new team. This year he has no excuse.

But I have a soft spot for old Sully seeing as he won me a beer.

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#75 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 16 2009, 01:25PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

O'Sully was equally awful under MacT last year.

But he's really being "RUINED" now....he's squashing his confidence ;)

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#76 Offthebandwagon
December 16 2009, 01:30PM
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O'Sullivan has sucked all year. When Comrie comes back (or Pisani) he should be the first to go. Unfortunately, the way things work, they'll end up benching Potulny, and he's been solid since he came up. O'Sullivan has no upside right now--he can't even be praised for his work ethic on the ice. At least Cogliano looks like he's trying to make something happen. Oh, by the way, it makes me sad when Cogs keeps banging pucks into the net after somebody else already scored. I feel sorry for him. Poor little guy tries so hard.

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#77 Milli
December 16 2009, 01:41PM
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I was screaming at both Staios and Grebs on the first one. Why didn't staios lay down or why didn't grebs dive to knock the puck away? I can see why Quinn is pissed, that was our game to win, we where in full control, then, it sure looked like we took our foot of the gas and let them back into the game. PP was a disaster, no question. If the PP is decent, even just maintains the momentum, we win.

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#78 SirFozz
December 16 2009, 01:45PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Haha, unless you add many of these "~", that's going to fly over a lot of heads.

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#79 Dan the Man
December 16 2009, 02:08PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

But he's really being "RUINED" now....he's squashing his confidence ;)

I'm still going to blame MacT, he set the foundation.

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#80 Oilersordeath
December 16 2009, 02:15PM
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Yeah I noticed Staios on the powerplay! WTF!! Thats just dumb. Quinn's pissed for a good reason we were well rested and did not take advantage of a tired team. They pushed us around again. I just dont understand this team. I hate to say it but solid teams like the Flamers, Casucks, or even the kittys(Preds) would have went in for the kill, we dont do that.

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#81 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 02:18PM
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i dont know why quinn is pissed ? its not like staios jumped the boards and put him self on the powerplay.

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#82 misfit
December 16 2009, 02:48PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

To the last point, well if you said Greene was out there making some solid checks last night and you added that 6 is the number he was given by the counters then that is different then saying Greene did well with 6 hits last night.

So if Willis said "Greene had a hard time keeping Edmonton out of the scoring areas last night. The Oilers outshot the Kings by a wide margin when Greene was on the ice" instead of "The Oilers outshot the Kings by a wide margin when Greene was on the ice. he really had a hard time keeping Edmonton out of the scoring areas last night.", nobody would accuse him of not watching hockey? Is the difference really in the order he says it?

Personally, I'd much rather someone support their claims with facts than simply say "he looked good/bad last night". Because let's face it, you and I could watch a guy play the same game, and one of us could come away thinking he was great while the other thought he was terrible. That disparity is especially true with players who do lots of flashy things like hit, because that's often the only thing some people see.

Everyone sees the hit, but not everyone sees that he took himself out of position to deliver it, or that the puck carrier was still able to make a play that resulted in a scoring chance. Not unless the scoring chance results in a goal, anyway.

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#83 Oilersordeath
December 16 2009, 03:07PM
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Bottom line is they didnt play with emotion, or hungry and glad to be home after just rippin out 5 in a row on the road. I was happy with line 1 but thats about it, everyone else was very lackluster. Too bad

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#84 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 16 2009, 03:09PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

I'm still going to blame MacT, he set the foundation.

sarcasm?

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#85 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 16 2009, 03:14PM
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misfit wrote:

So if Willis said "Greene had a hard time keeping Edmonton out of the scoring areas last night. The Oilers outshot the Kings by a wide margin when Greene was on the ice" instead of "The Oilers outshot the Kings by a wide margin when Greene was on the ice. he really had a hard time keeping Edmonton out of the scoring areas last night.", nobody would accuse him of not watching hockey? Is the difference really in the order he says it?

Personally, I'd much rather someone support their claims with facts than simply say "he looked good/bad last night". Because let's face it, you and I could watch a guy play the same game, and one of us could come away thinking he was great while the other thought he was terrible. That disparity is especially true with players who do lots of flashy things like hit, because that's often the only thing some people see.

Everyone sees the hit, but not everyone sees that he took himself out of position to deliver it, or that the puck carrier was still able to make a play that resulted in a scoring chance. Not unless the scoring chance results in a goal, anyway.

Bingo

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#86 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 16 2009, 03:22PM
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@misfit

Sometimes stats lie though. You can dig up stats to backup just about any statement. I really have no problem with stats, I just like when both are used.

Kinda related but has anyone noticed when you go into the game results that there is a rink that shows where all the shots took place and all the hits and so forth?

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#87 devoknows
December 16 2009, 03:31PM
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Reggie wrote:

And if you want to talk about the first goal further, rewind to the cause of the two-on-one. Staios has the puck at the King's blueline and is pressured by the forward. Instead of dumping it back into the corner and let the forwards cycle, he makes a pass across the blue to Grebs. The pass was decent enough, but the problem was the forward checking Grebs was as tight to the blue as the guy in front of Staios. The result is before Grebs could do anything, the forward was on him and the turnover happened.

Up the ice the Kings go on the two-on-one.

Yes, Grebs needed to get the puck deep, but missed the chance, but his opportunity for success was not likely.

Staios makes the original dump into the corner as suggested there is no problem.

Reggie I dont know what your watching, "Give Away Grebby" coughed the puck up cause he seen/felt a little bit of pressure. I don't know why so many people defend this dude, he has a chronic problem of giving the puck away. Take a look at the giveaway leaders, Give Away Grebby is right there

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#88 Nesquik
December 16 2009, 03:38PM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

i dont know why quinn is pissed ? its not like staios jumped the boards and put him self on the powerplay.

You never know...Quinn is not young anymore. Maybe he say 24 and thought 44. Or had a flashback to TML days and thought it was McCabe!

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#89 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 16 2009, 03:41PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Sometimes stats lie though. You can dig up stats to backup just about any statement. I really have no problem with stats, I just like when both are used.

Kinda related but has anyone noticed when you go into the game results that there is a rink that shows where all the shots took place and all the hits and so forth?

CBSSports does that. You can almost watch the games in quasi-real-time.

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#90 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 03:42PM
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@devoknows

that was a forced quick pass by staios, it jumped over grebs stick. its not like grebs had time to make a right decision and made a mistake. staios had time to make the right decision and made a mistake.

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#91 Dan the Man
December 16 2009, 03:55PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

sarcasm?

Yes...I know I forgot to add the (~)

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#92 devoknows
December 16 2009, 04:08PM
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@ HansBaurMesserschmittWatson

I think really need to take another look at the highlight reel, as the puck did not jump. Looks like "Give Away Grebby" was trying to throw the puck into the middle for some reason (that would have been another give away), and the puck went off the heel of his stick. How many times have you seen the puck go off the heel of stick? Let me guess, "Give Away Grebby" is one of the leaders in NHL giveaways because Staios is makes too many wrong decisions. Give Away Grebby's decision should have been made the second the puck was coming on

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#93 Senator Theo
December 16 2009, 04:13PM
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@ HansBaurMesserschmittWatson

I think really need to take another look at the highlight reel, as the puck did not jump. Looks like "Give Away Grebby" was trying to throw the puck into the middle for some reason (that would have been another give away), and the puck went off the heel of his stick. How many times have you seen the puck go off the heel of stick? Let me guess, "Give Away Grebby" is one of the leaders in NHL giveaways because Staios is makes too many wrong decisions. Give Away Grebby's decision should have been made the second the puck was coming on

"Give Away Grebby"? Last night I was saying he "Grebes-coughed up the puck".

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#94 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 04:52PM
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are you kidding me? he doesnt even get possesion of the puck, he has no time. im not saying grebs dont give it away, but that clearly is not his fault. why would staios pass it to a teammate who doesnt even have a second with the puck, with the guy that close on him? looks like staios had his mind made up the whole time that he was going to pass it there while the puck is coming to him, it also appers that he doesnt even look over properly, it appears he is to busy preparing to have his elbows up when the king comes to finish his check.

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#95 devoknows
December 16 2009, 05:11PM
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Whatev, on a perfect Oiler defence core, neither Give Away Grebby or Staios make the team. I just cant get over how many people try to make excuses for this guy who cannot properly make passes/receive passes, under pressure. That's half the game, making the right decision under pressure. Actually I like "Greb Coughed Up" That's awesome!! Now if I can just get everyone calling Horcoff by his real name "Duke Duke Dukabore"

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#96 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 05:16PM
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@devoknows

staios had the easier of the two. why would you want to put more pressure on your teammate, if you have better options?

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#98 devoknows
December 16 2009, 05:50PM
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@ HansBaurMesserschmittWatson

You dont really get it, lets just say for "funsies" Staios made a real bad play. Ok, the puck goes to "Greb Coughed Up" under some pressure, does that mean it's ok for him to lose his concentration and have the puck come off the heel of his stick? He should be able to "bare down" more and make a play, kinda like what stronger defencemen do. C'mon lets face it, he has a real bad habit of giving up the puck. Staios is not even an issue on this goal. Lots and lots of "outs" for "Give Away Grebby" on that play

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#99 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 16 2009, 05:53PM
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@devoknows

#94 & #96.

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