Oilers vs. Predators Postgame: Pat Quinn Should've Saved His Rant

Jonathan Willis
December 18 2009 12:33AM

Nashville Predators: 6

Edmonton Oilers: 3

Pat Quinn should have saved his rant for this game; the Oilers looked far worse tonight than they did against Los Angeles.

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me 

1. Robert Nilsson. A beautiful power play night for Nilsson, who scored two goals and threw a big hit too. The second goal was a gorgeous little deke that had everyone excited – well, everyone other than Pat Quinn, who sounded less than impressed in his post-game press conference. His six shots was twice as many as any other forward.

2. Gilbert Brule. Had a solid game, regardless of which line he played on. One assist on the night and a few good chances; I’m still trying to figure out why he got demoted off the first line, and more importantly why Quinn slashed his ice-time tonight.

3. Ryan Stone. I was baffled by Stone’s demotion to the fourth line, particularly given that Quinn opted to replace him with Patrick O’Sullivan. He’s been a legitimate find this year; an NHL player who came from well back to earn a spot, and from where I sit he’s one of the nine best forwards on this team. 

Random Thoughts

Pat Quinn took shots at a bunch of unnamed players, rather strongly suggesting that there are guys on the team who care more about individual achievement than they do about team achievement. He also flat-out stated that some of the veterans were a big part of the problem.

J-F Jacques played far and away the fewest minutes of any forward, with 6:30; the next lowest total belonged to Zack Stortini, who just missed the 10:0 minute mark. I wonder if his 0/5 run on scoring chances had anything to do with that.

It was nice to see the MacTavish line blender out in full force as the game wore on; I was watching line matchups all game and it seemed like Quinn had planned to run Horcoff & Co. against the Erat, Arnott and Sullivan line, but once he abandoned that players started getting subbed in all over the place.

Line changes keep killing this team. Nashville’s fourth goal racked up a minus for Horcoff, Nilsson and O’Sullivan, but it wasn’t remotely deserved. Zack Stortini didn’t get the puck deep, and then his line (I believe Moreau and Cogliano were the other two guys) meandered over to the bench for the change. Horcoff jumped on to the ice at one point but had to jump back off to avoid a too many men penalty; by the time his trio finally did manage to get on the ice it was far too late.

The Steve Staios holding penalty in the third period brought the phrase “cascade failure” to mind. Most hockey plays aren’t the result of a single, definable error; rather they’re caused by a series of errors. In quality control this is generally known as “cascade failure”. In any case, the first failure was Denis Grebeshkov (who had a brutal night) whiffing on a pass. Than Jeff Deslauriers got ambitious and chucked the puck away rather than covering it; the puck ended up on a Nashville stick. Then the Oilers played ring around the rosy for a while before Staios finally got whistled. Team effort.

Dustin Penner took a beating from the refs tonight, and was quite correctly livid about it.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Jodes
December 18 2009, 12:42AM
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Johnathan, I think we're going to see a lot more games like tonight.. we just don't have the talent to compete night in and night out. They just don't want to work together as a group.

Its pretty sad when this team goes on a 5 game winning streak and still doesn't do any real damage in the standings.

Oh well.. I guess we'll just end up drafting another smallish "offensive" forward somewhere in the middle of the pack yet again.

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#2 DonDon
December 18 2009, 12:44AM
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As Souray said after the game, two steps forward, two steps back. Five straight wins on the road and then two straight losses at home, brilliant! This is a 12th place team, they play like a 12th place team, they look like a 12th place team. By deduction, a new coaching staff hasn't changed the losing pattern. We can't attribute the losing culture to injured players as other teams suffer similarly with injuries. One of the posters referred to the Oilers as coach killers; seems accurate. Changes are necessary, if only to unload salaries. I see that Katz has appointed a new Executive VP. Does this mean that LaForge and Lowe will now report to Black? Would make sense as it would bring more accountability to the management of this sorry franchise.

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#3 Ogden Brother
December 18 2009, 01:00AM
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Made it to the game, line changes seemned like a problem all game long. Lots of guys being lazy with changes. Penner suprised me the most, he sulked over a few times causing potential problems.

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#4 Ogden Brother
December 18 2009, 01:10AM
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So what are the odds Quinn is here to start next season? I'm taking 25%.

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#5 MattL
December 18 2009, 05:40AM
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Not much of a statement game for my star POS. My goat Moreau lived up to his billing though. O'Sully has as much physical prowess as Cogliano, but Cogs is putting in the effort, going into the corners (even if he skates it in to the corners himself too much).

Man is it fun to watch Nilsson back on his game. This is what I was expecting at the start of the season.

I'm not sure Grebs gets too many more games like that before Strudwick draws back in. You expect him to be rusty coming back, but Grebs is just a total disaster.

I don't like the work Renney has done with the D this year. Gilbert and Grebs have taken HUGE steps back, Souray's been a liability (maybe injury), only Lubo and Smid have been up to snuff, and it LOOKS like they're the ones who have taken Renney's coaching to heart the least. Lubo looks like he always has, none of that one hand on the stick poke check crap. I think we were all right to question Huddy's dismissal over Bucky. Coverage down low has been atrocious all year.

Lastly, I think JDD's puck-mishandling would be at least a little mitigated if the defense would come back a little faster. You would think they would figure it out by now, DON'T LET JDD HANDLE THE PUCK. Souray especially has been guilty of half-assing it coming back to retrieve the puck.

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#6 Reagan
December 18 2009, 06:55AM
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The Refs clearly missed two interference calls, and a couple slashes on Penners two broken sticks. I find it funny that the one interference call that should have been made, ended up going to Penner for trying to avoid the guy that was interfering with him, then has his body lunges around him, incidently losing partial balance and a arm fending the guy off takes a FLIPPING Penalty. LIKE WTF? Pretty freaken sad.

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#7 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 18 2009, 07:11AM
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DonDon wrote:

As Souray said after the game, two steps forward, two steps back. Five straight wins on the road and then two straight losses at home, brilliant! This is a 12th place team, they play like a 12th place team, they look like a 12th place team. By deduction, a new coaching staff hasn't changed the losing pattern. We can't attribute the losing culture to injured players as other teams suffer similarly with injuries. One of the posters referred to the Oilers as coach killers; seems accurate. Changes are necessary, if only to unload salaries. I see that Katz has appointed a new Executive VP. Does this mean that LaForge and Lowe will now report to Black? Would make sense as it would bring more accountability to the management of this sorry franchise.

I agree with most of this, but I don't think you can say that other teams suffer similarly from injuries. That's actually untrue.

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#8 BUCK75
December 18 2009, 07:23AM
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I don't mind competing for a top 5 pick, but from the sound of the radio crew last night we will be a cinch for a top 5 pick. It's quite a log jam for one of those picks right now with 10 team with < 34 points.

The tease of the 5 game win streak has gotten hopes up amongst the faithful, but riding a rookie goaltender & a bunch of inconsistent forwards will not get us into the play-offs. I heard the Olympic break ends 1 day before the trade deadline (i'm unsure) so hopefully some moves are made next month to decide if we are going to finish 16-20 overall or 25-30 overall.

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#9 CM
December 18 2009, 07:33AM
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why the oilers brain trust decided to make a team that we have beaten once in the last 10 games a PPV is beyond me...

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#10 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 18 2009, 07:44AM
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@Ogden Brother

Him being alive?

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#12 The Real Scuba Steve
December 18 2009, 08:12AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So what are the odds Quinn is here to start next season? I'm taking 25%.

It is not Quinn's fault, it's management failure again to put a roster together that can compete game in and game out.

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#13 The Real Scuba Steve
December 18 2009, 08:15AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

I don't mind competing for a top 5 pick, but from the sound of the radio crew last night we will be a cinch for a top 5 pick. It's quite a log jam for one of those picks right now with 10 team with < 34 points.

The tease of the 5 game win streak has gotten hopes up amongst the faithful, but riding a rookie goaltender & a bunch of inconsistent forwards will not get us into the play-offs. I heard the Olympic break ends 1 day before the trade deadline (i'm unsure) so hopefully some moves are made next month to decide if we are going to finish 16-20 overall or 25-30 overall.

I agree, but I am losing faith in Tambo's ability to pull off a trade. He has really done nothing to move this team forward since he has arrived here.

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#14 The Real Scuba Steve
December 18 2009, 08:20AM
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CM wrote:

why the oilers brain trust decided to make a team that we have beaten once in the last 10 games a PPV is beyond me...

I also wonder if there is a decline in PPV subscribers, because people are not getting what their worth from the Oil, it is cheaper to go to pub and be disappointed there.

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#15 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 18 2009, 08:24AM
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@The Real Scuba Steve

It's not cheaper to go to the pub. I had 4 beer and a bite to eat and it was 40 dollars.

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#16 David S
December 18 2009, 08:26AM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

I also wonder if there is a decline in PPV subscribers, because people are not getting what their worth from the Oil, it is cheaper to go to pub and be disappointed there.

Cheaper to go to the pub? Is beer free were you live?

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#17 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 08:50AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Him being alive?

Alive is one option. I'm also thinking he just steps down to get the heck away from the team.... or that his whole role was to be a Torts/keenan light to try and motivate this group, knowing that role fizzles quick, his replacement is already here.

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#18 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 18 2009, 08:53AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I doubt it he is already going on that diet so he can lose weight and lessen his chance of a heart attack.

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#19 BUCK75
December 18 2009, 08:54AM
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@The Real Scuba Steve

Hahaha - I don't think we have a play-off team, even with a trade. We need a serious focus on getting some more young talent to build this team up for say 2013-2014 season in a new rink ;)

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#20 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 09:04AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I doubt it he is already going on that diet so he can lose weight and lessen his chance of a heart attack.

Safety first.

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#21 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 18 2009, 09:22AM
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So that wonderful idiot who put up all those gross, gay jokes about souray and stuff, is a Flames fan that I work with... I took care of him and his Flamerness!

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#22 Adam Dyck
December 18 2009, 09:40AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So what are the odds Quinn is here to start next season? I'm taking 25%.

The only reason he won't be behind the bench is if he gets moved upstairs.

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#23 dunciano
December 18 2009, 09:44AM
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Lower expectations for O'Sullivan. You'll be happier.

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#24 Oiler Country
December 18 2009, 10:24AM
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Agreed, Quinn is having too much fun to quit. The only reason he steps away from the bench is that he gets Tambo's job.

He can do the job as we all know.

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#25 Rob
December 18 2009, 10:31AM
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Even with a growing number of brain farts (Grebeshkov/Krushelnyski?), Rod Philips still brings something to the broadcasts. I hadn't heard Bob Stauffer do play by play before and I thought he did an excellent job when Rod was absent. Kevin Karius was okay too from what I heard of him.

The knee-jerk MacTavish-esque line blending doesn't seem to be having the desired results when Quinn resorts to that. Tom Renney defended Quinn's instincts the other day but instincts or not...they didn't work.

I think there should be at least 4 vacancies on the roster next year. Pick 4 from Comrie, Cogliano, Staios, Moreau, Grebeshkov, O'Sonofagun or Pisani. I don't see how Pisani can continue with a chronic disease like his and lengthy absences. He is no help to this team whatsoever. In a cap world that contract seems counter-productive. The 2006 playoff run was a hundred years ago. After 3 1/2 years that counts for nothing. Pisano plays with zero fire in his belly and looks emotionless out there. I wish the guy well but I just can't see him doing the team any good going forward. He's a big strong guy who plays like Liberace. He's not offencively skilled and he doesn't bring much in the way of competitiveness.

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#26 I Miss Stanley
December 18 2009, 10:34AM
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JW's comment about some players "meandering" back to the bench for a change is so accurate. Being at the game last night it was actually shocking how casual the attitude is regarding changing on the fly with the puck not deep in the Preds zone. Moreau in particular reminded me of a guy in an over-50 rec league game. Doesn't this frustrate the coaching staff? Or the guys racing to jump back into the bench? Also, could someone enlighten me as to the upside of Grebs? I still don't see it. Horrible last night again.

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#27 Rigger
December 18 2009, 10:58AM
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I didn't have a chance to watch the game. Can someone tell me why Gags and Cogs got like 12 and 10 minutes of ice time, which Pouty O'Sulkivan got like 19 mintues? WTF?!

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#28 Westcoastoil
December 18 2009, 10:59AM
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Wonder if Struds will be back in the lineup soon?? They've dropped 2 in a row since he's been out...I'm just saying

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#29 Hemmercules
December 18 2009, 11:05AM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

Wonder if Struds will be back in the lineup soon?? They've dropped 2 in a row since he's been out...I'm just saying

The way Grbes is playing I won't be suprised if Struds is in next game.

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#30 rubbertrout
December 18 2009, 11:05AM
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David S wrote:

Cheaper to go to the pub? Is beer free were you live?

Scuba Steve drinks water at the pub. The waitresses must love him.

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#31 Hemmercules
December 18 2009, 11:15AM
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Rigger wrote:

I didn't have a chance to watch the game. Can someone tell me why Gags and Cogs got like 12 and 10 minutes of ice time, which Pouty O'Sulkivan got like 19 mintues? WTF?!

Gags was a giveaway king last night. He still keeps trying those stupid little back passes once he gains the zone, the opposing dmen just scoop it up everytime. Did it twice in the PP I believe.

Cogs was pretty much the same, the play died on the half boards or at the top of the circle everytime he gained the zone. He had a couple horrible line changes with him and Moreau changing at the same time. One change was probably the worst line change I have ever seen, four guys at the bench looking around cluelessly as the puck went in the net on a 4 on 1.

As for POS, he had an average game. Probably got more ice because of other players playing worse.

Is it just me or do the oilers try the blind pass out front 100 times a game and no one is there to fight for a garbage goal?? Get a man in front. Moreau should just be going to the net at all times. Too many guys waiting for things to happen and not enough guys making things happen. The fourth line is the only line that supports each other in the corners. The loses will keep pouring in if they play like last night, like Quinn said, too many individuals not enough team.

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#32 Rigger
December 18 2009, 11:30AM
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@Hemmercules

Ah I see, although Patty was a -3 on the night, so I'm not sure how he could have had a better game than some other people. I mean, were those goals against mostly on other people's gaffs, or was Sully in on some of the terrible action as well. I only caught about the last 6 minutes of the game on the radio. Seems like being on the ice for 3 goals against wouldn't suggest an overly decent game by him.

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#33 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 18 2009, 11:34AM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

It is not Quinn's fault, it's management failure again to put a roster together that can compete game in and game out.

~wait, so can i still blame MacT?~

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#34 I Miss Stanley
December 18 2009, 12:04PM
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Pretty sure Patio needs those extra minutes to play blindfolded like he did last night. If you were watching him, it's pretty obvious he was using only his sense of hearing to guide him to where the play was happening. It takes longer to get to and from the bench, and just gliding back and forth reacting to the sounds of what's happening on the ice takes longer than when using your eyesight to guide you. Hence, the extra minutes he used up.

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#36 I Miss Stanley
December 18 2009, 01:15PM
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Makes you wonder if the players are that confused and/or inept, or if it's their way of giving the coaching staff the finger for ripping on them lately. Either way, it's making them look like idiots. Again.

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#37 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 01:53PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I wonder what we'd be saying about these line changes if they were happening under MacTavish. Probably something about the players trying to get him fired.

There's a lot of stuff outside of the coaches control, but if they can't get the players to change lines with a sense of urgency, does that mean there's a disconnect?

If MacT was still here, it would be mass chaos on various message boards.

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#38 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 18 2009, 02:36PM
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I lost my faith in humanity a long time ago... now i am begining to loose my faith in the Oilers doing anything better than a 25th place finish.

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#39 SamWise
December 18 2009, 02:48PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

So what are the odds Quinn is here to start next season? I'm taking 25%.

He's only gone if he steps down. I don't think that this team is the way it is because of Quinn. This is what he was given and he is dealing with it the best that he can.

Add your top forward and #1 goalie going down for extended periods and Quinn gets the free ride for this season.

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#40 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 02:55PM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

if we dress 18 players a game, we play a few short all game long. horcoff is a handicap, staios sucks, moreau is useless, plus jacques and stortini on the same line is a accident waiting to happen, o'sullivan and coglaino are stubborn. that leaves us with about 10 players to compete with.

i dont even need to give reasoning or stats for my opinions, truth speaks for it self. as long as our core of guys are these "veteran/leaders" who couldnt be all-stars in a beer league, we will suck. trust me. how do u expect POS to give a fcuk, when horcoff sucks worse then he does and POS is being called out. i wonder if he took a page out of the penner book from last year. remember the team sucked, but only penner and nillson were in the dog house, never horcoff never moreau. you cant expect these players to take the organization and the coaches serious, when this junk is hapening. they are not fools, they can see whats going on and i am not suprised they arent connectiong with the hypocritical coaches and management.

So two groups of coaches have now gotten it wrong regarding those players?

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#41 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 02:56PM
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SamWise wrote:

He's only gone if he steps down. I don't think that this team is the way it is because of Quinn. This is what he was given and he is dealing with it the best that he can.

Add your top forward and #1 goalie going down for extended periods and Quinn gets the free ride for this season.

The way he is coaching has an extremly short shelf life. It maight not be one year, but it's not much longer then that.

...as i've mentioned though, I'm thinking it's intentional.

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#42 I Miss Stanley
December 18 2009, 03:04PM
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SamWise wrote:

He's only gone if he steps down. I don't think that this team is the way it is because of Quinn. This is what he was given and he is dealing with it the best that he can.

Add your top forward and #1 goalie going down for extended periods and Quinn gets the free ride for this season.

True that. It would be interesting to see the results if we could play with the same line-up in a few consecutive games. The musical chairs game Quinn has had to play this season due to injuries must drive him nuts too, but can't be blamed on coaching.

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#43 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 18 2009, 03:11PM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

no, because just like tambo they are told whats what by we know who.

you cant tell me that two groups of coaches have been so impressed with horcoff and moreau that they saw no reason to move them around or sit them.

Thanks for the laugh.

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#44 rubbertrout
December 18 2009, 03:35PM
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HansBaurMesserschmittWatson wrote:

quinn will be gone at the end of the year, and renney will take it from there.

i dont even need to give reasoning or stats for my opinions, truth speaks for it self. as long as our core of guys are these "veteran/leaders" who couldnt be all-stars in a beer league, we will suck. trust me. how do u expect POS to give a fcuk, when horcoff sucks worse then he does and POS is being called out. i wonder if he took a page out of the penner book from last year. remember the team sucked, but only penner and nillson were in the dog house, never horcoff never moreau. you cant expect these players to take the organization and the coaches serious, when this junk is hapening. they are not fools, they can see whats going on and i am not suprised they arent connectiong with the hypocritical coaches and management

So why was MacT stumping for Horc to be on the Olympic squad earlier this year? He doesn't owe anything to the Oilers now that he is an analyst? Your logic makes no sense as usual.

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#46 GSC
December 18 2009, 04:23PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I wonder what we'd be saying about these line changes if they were happening under MacTavish. Probably something about the players trying to get him fired.

There's a lot of stuff outside of the coaches control, but if they can't get the players to change lines with a sense of urgency, does that mean there's a disconnect?

It means that it's high past time to gut this team.

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#47 David S
December 18 2009, 04:41PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Just for general knowledge purposes:

I'm generally a pretty patient guy, but every so often I just say, 'screw it' and do whatever I feel like.

So hypothetically, if a commenter just kept piling up balderdash, I might just start removing his comments willy-nilly. No real reasons given; heck, I might not even have good reasons.

The only way to avoid this rather arbitrary and random process is to try and avoid piling up balderdash.

Naturally, this is all hypothetical and doesn't refer to any specific incident.

Thanks Jonathan. Its well past due.

Hypothetically.

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#48 I Miss Stanley
December 18 2009, 05:00PM
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It begins with a single clap, repeated slowly, again and again. Then another joins in, and another, soon the entire group is clapping, cheering, whistling.

I think that's how we feel right now. Thank you!

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#49 Milli
December 18 2009, 05:06PM
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I am still a little in shock at this DEBACLE. Get home, turn on TV, watch 6 beautiful minutes of hockey as I begin to think, Man, these guys are finally getting it....then, I poke my eyes out for the next 54 minutes at the brutality that is my team. From grebs to staois to a very unsouray like souray, oh patty O when will you go???? On and On..

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#50 Pedro
December 18 2009, 05:14PM
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Quin has made a few line combo's that did not make sense to me. I also have wondered about his powerplay line-ups. Things will come together and the oilers will do what the Blues did last year...

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