Bum fights: the Oilers KTFO by the Blues

Robin Brownlee
December 22 2009 09:12AM

What we gave up to get here (hat tip to David S)

Relatively speaking, Devan Dubnyk is making progress when it comes to the tricky business of getting the hang of the goaltending game, even if he got lit up like a cheap cigar as the Edmonton Oilers took a 7-2 butt-kicking from the St. Louis Blues Monday.

As sieve-like as Dubnyk was in his first NHL start, fishing those seven pucks out of his net on 26 shots, his Andre Racicot impression pales in comparison to his first game as a goaltender -- a 13-1 loss in minor hockey after his dad coughed up all that money for pads. He got past that. He'll get past this.

Dubnyk wasn't very good against the Blues, and he didn't get much help, as the 15th-place Oilers embarrassed themselves good and plenty in a meeting of have-not bottom-feeders in the Western Conference.

That said, let's not get carried away writing Dubnyk off, as some people no doubt will after a regrettable debut. Doing that, based on one bad night and hideous numbers after just two NHL appearances, is as ridiculous a stance as suggesting before this debacle Dubnyk was somehow a better prospect than Jeff Deslauriers, with no NHL experience as evidence to back it up.

But, yes, it was truly ugly.

Look Ma, no hands

Dubnyk, stuck behind Nikolai Khabibulin and Deslauriers in the Oilers crease pecking order, isn't nearly as bad as his teammates helped him look against the Blues and their juggernaut power play. That's obvious. Of course, that isn't much solace to frustrated Oilers fans, who've seen their team win once in their last eight tries at home.

"Devan will remember this game for a long time, I'm sure," coach Pat Quinn said of Dubnyk, who had his parents in the sell-out crowd. "He was kind of left out to hang by his teammates."

Kind of? Counting a relief appearance in a 7-3 loss to the Vancouver Canucks, Dubnyk has now allowed 10 goals on 50 shots, which will play hell with his saves-percentage and put a dent in his confidence.

After all, it's not like he's going to get a lot of chances to redeem himself, even with Khabibulin out. Deslauriers made 14 straight starts before the Blues came calling and he'll carry the load until Khabibulin gets back.

Dubnyk might get a start against either Toronto Dec. 30 or Calgary the next night. A little more help might be an idea if he does.

Exasperated

You know things are in the sh*thouse when the coach sounds like a beaten man 36 games into the season and the housemen and fart catchers, those charged with finding silver linings in the septic tank, are carving ass.

Quinn was running a quart low on piss and vinegar compared to past games during his post-game availability with reporters last night, leaving most of the zingers to those who are usually sunshine and light.

Props, then, to Dan Tencer of 630 CHED, who didn't play patty-cake on his post-game show. Milhouse got all revved up and ripped the Oilers good and plenty. Red his cheeks were. Furnace red.

"The most embarrassing loss of the season for the Oilers," began Tencer, just getting started after the Oilers made it four straight losses at Rexall Place. "They were just flat-out embarrassed on this homestand... You cannot lose 7-2 to the St. Louis Blues." Apparently you can, Dan. Apparently you can.

Given all the above, I can only wonder if owner Daryl Katz has seen enough and is taking notes and names — GM Steve Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, for starters. How long will Katz sit silent paying the bills while this franchise spirals into nothingness?

And...

-- Captain Ethan Moreau keeps digging himself deeper in the estimation of fans, and his tantrum late in the game, when he tripped and then cross-checked T.J. Oshie to the ice after a clean hit, just adds ammunition to those arguing No. 18 should have the "C" ripped off his chest.

"I don't like to get hit when it's 6-2," Moreau said. "I'm not going to allow that to happen."

What, Moreau is frustrated? He didn't pay 100 bucks to get into the rink and inhale this stink.

-- If I'm Tambellini or Lowe, assuming they still have jobs when the Christmas roster freeze is lifted, I'm picking up the phone and calling old pal Scott Howson in Columbus to see if there's room to make a deal that can shake up both teams. Problem for a problem? Fine. Spare parts for spare parts? OK. Both outfits are dead in the water right now.

-- The good news is that after they lose in Minnesota Wednesday, the Oilers play six of their first nine games after the Christmas break at home. The bad news is they're 8-9-2 at Rexall Place.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 Zamboni Driver
December 22 2009, 11:24AM
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@Gregors dirty 'stash

Only for instigator, I think.

Coach gets tossed too, seems to me.

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#52 Racki
December 22 2009, 11:26AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

I disagree. What was the verdict on Phaneuf's hit on Okposo in the preseason? I'm pretty sure it was deemed "clean but entirely unnecessary due to the circumstances of the game".

Disagree all you want...

My thoughts on it are you don't stop playing until the final horn sounds unless your coach tells you to.

The hit on Moreau was hardly anything controversial or borderline. Moreau sounds like he's just pissed at the loss. Like I said though, I was glad to see someone show emotion, however. So I had no problems with any of the stuff Moreau did last night, aside from complaining about being hit in the press conference.

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#53 Matt Henderson
December 22 2009, 11:30AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Archaeologuy:

I think the honeymoon ended when he failed to change the roster this summer.

Yeah, how's that turning out?

What exactly was his plan this summer? Trade Penner, Smid, and Cogs for a guy who doesnt want to come here? I can only imagine the state of the Oilers if that trade had come through.

The Oilers would have one good player, half their youth, 2 less bodies, and the same (or higher) payroll. Same bad team, less optimism for the future. Thank the hockey gods that someone intervened before Tambi REALLY left his pock-mark on this team.

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#54 Coppperhead
December 22 2009, 11:37AM
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When you're supposed to be a physical presence on this team and you complain when getting hit, something is not right.

Does anyone know what Moreau brings to the team anymore? No one really knows what goes on between the players but if I was Sam Gagner watching Moreau take stupid penalties, generally play lazy and not even finish his checks well...I would probably tune him out.

For that matter though would Souray really be that much of a better leader? He's constantly taking bad penalties himself. How many times this year will we watch him punch a guy in the face at the blueline for a roughing penalty? 15? 20? Obviously he brings more to the team than Moreau but I'm not sure he's the right guy to lead our young core.

Horcoff would be a decent choice for me because despite his struggles I don't think anyone can argue that he's the hardest working player on the team. But from a fan standpoint though I don't think there could be a worse choice. Everyone already hates him for the dead weight his contract is.

The guys whose play could earn them a C on their jersey are all too soft-spoken to be a leader. Smid, Visnovsky and Penner have all played well this year but none of them are going to lead your team.

Actually the guy I would really love to be the Captain is Pisani but he seems destined to spend most of the rest of his career on the sidelines.

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#55 Victoria
December 22 2009, 11:37AM
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If Khabibulin tried to make that second save, his back would completely snap in half.

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#56 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 22 2009, 11:38AM
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Racki wrote:

Disagree all you want...

My thoughts on it are you don't stop playing until the final horn sounds unless your coach tells you to.

The hit on Moreau was hardly anything controversial or borderline. Moreau sounds like he's just pissed at the loss. Like I said though, I was glad to see someone show emotion, however. So I had no problems with any of the stuff Moreau did last night, aside from complaining about being hit in the press conference.

I'm not disagreeing with physicality, I just don't think your comparison to Roenick's thoughts on highlight reel hits in the pre-season backs up your argument.

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#57 ItsaTrainWreck
December 22 2009, 11:40AM
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Holy Sh*&) what happened to the "culture change" that was supposed to happen!!!! I guess can't teach old dogs new tricks!!!

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#58 Shifty203
December 22 2009, 11:41AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Only for instigator, I think.

Coach gets tossed too, seems to me.

The coach gets fined if his team takes an instigator in the last 10 minutes of a game, not tossed.

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#59 Chris.
December 22 2009, 11:42AM
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@Matt Henderson

You still waiting for Cogs to score 30? From the farm on up this organization isn't very good... And most of the people who post regularly on this site seem to have a better handle on the teams problems than Tambellini. I've sold off most of my remaining tickets this season and am considering a different hobby for the next. We are in the middle of the darkest chapter of this franchise's on ice history... and all Katz' crew is doing is trying to figure out how to continue charging fans $16 to watch a road game on TV, pay more for smaller beers, park miles away from the arena for $12.00 and with a little luck pay seat liscences for a publicly funded building downtown.

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#60 Dream_Theater
December 22 2009, 11:43AM
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Nothing like the Fans getting the Big F You from the Oilers this holiday season. I hope Santa sh*ts in all their stockings. What a joke on home ice this year.... And kinda on the road too.

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#61 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 22 2009, 11:46AM
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Taylor Hall will look great in copper and blue....

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#62 swany
December 22 2009, 11:46AM
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RB everyone is saying that we need a plan, can you tell me what the plan would be, stink for 5 years and draft is there anyone close to a crosby OV in the next 2 years NO are there guys like Kane or Toews. If we pick first overall can Hall come in and play like the guys from the Avs or will we have to wait on our pics to make a diffrence. If we are going full rebuild it's time to let the kids ALL play. Chorney is close to NHL ready move one of the high priced D-men decide on who is going to be here out of Cogs, Gagner, Brule, Eberle, Omark Nilsson and then move the other guys (we can't keep all the smurfs) Move Moreau, Pies if you can for pics. After all these moves let Quinn teach them how to play as a team with skill, In my mind if we are going full rebuild we should let the kids come up together keep a couple vets to teach them how to work and let them grow together. Next year Eberle is just about a lock to make it as for Omark Klowe said it would be in the summer before we know if he's comming over MPS, how far away is he before he's in the lineup, get ready Oil fans it could be 4 or 5 years before we see any playoffs this team will need time to come together with all the youth that will be out there on the ice next year.

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#63 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 22 2009, 11:47AM
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Can we pick an AHL team and start covering them?

Note: If the answer is 'yes', please resist the urge to suggest the Falcons.

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#64 Dream_Theater
December 22 2009, 11:52AM
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Its also kinda discouraging watching the Oil live on home ice crap the bed. Then seeing Cogs at the bar (oil city roadhouse) looking for some 18 yr old poon... At this point playing NHL 10 on xbox all night couldn't make his game worse. Cogs likes to party with his friend Constantene... But not the stanley cup..

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#65 ItsaTrainWreck
December 22 2009, 11:53AM
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Lets not give up on our young guys!!! But we do need to give up on the old guys. Trade these guys away all of them! or a least wave them

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#66 Travis Dakin
December 22 2009, 12:02PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Can we pick an AHL team and start covering them?

Note: If the answer is 'yes', please resist the urge to suggest the Falcons.

The problem with the Falcons is simple... All of their players are here. The Oilers' managment just forgot to get players for the NHL team.

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#67 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 22 2009, 12:04PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

The problem with the Falcons is simple... All of their players are here. The Oilers' managment just forgot to get players for the NHL team.

I know. It'd be nice to have a team we're allowed to cheer for, though. People are quick to criticize you as a fan if you go to a game hoping the Oil will pull out a win.

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#68 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 22 2009, 12:08PM
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Re Lowe/Tambillini

It seems the anger is still tilted more towards Lowe then Tambillini.

When Tambillini was hired he was givin a young, exciting team that had just finished a hair out of the playoffs, that team had also just been upgraded by:

Trading malcontent Pitkanen for proven power forward Cole

Trading supposed cancer Torres for one of the few bright spots Brule

Trading useful but replaceble 3rd line center Stoll and second pairing physical dman Green for top 15 (arguably) dman in Vishnosky.

The team was then handed to Tambillini

At this point the team had two weakness, a lack of superstar talent up front and a lack of balance in the line up.

- one of those weakness is difficult to address

- one of them is easy to address

In my mind Tambilini main objective should have been creating balance (Lowes biggest weakness... no puck movers to too many puck movers to many grinders and not enough skill to not enough grinders).

Lowe even partially filled the star holes with the addition of Souray and Vishnosky. Tambilini was left with a relatively easy job of balancing the line-up.

This past summer was probably the best bargin hunting for role players we have ever seen, a whole bottom six could be filled out for 5 million dollars yet Tambillini added to our positions of excess (Comrie/O'sully... TDD sure, but it all wraps together.) Rather then signing cheap, effective players like Moen/Nieds/Betts.

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#69 Death Metal Nightmare
December 22 2009, 12:20PM
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from 5 game winning streak "looking towards the playoffs" to last place in the West in a week. who didnt see this coming?

Original Ogden Brother - learn how to spell your favorite soap opera characters name. it makes your 10 page rant unbearable to read.

"creating balance" isnt the problem. creating a CORE is. you have one forward who is playing lights out in Penner. the rest of the current, uninjured squad couldnt crack a top line in this league. hell, most of them would barely be second line material. if by balance you mean, "we need about two more elite forwards, and a true shut down D-man instead of one of the Rollerhockey turds who are forwards posing as D-men", then sure, theres your "balance"

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#70 Travis Dakin
December 22 2009, 12:21PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

I know. It'd be nice to have a team we're allowed to cheer for, though. People are quick to criticize you as a fan if you go to a game hoping the Oil will pull out a win.

If you hope for a win then you ARE NOT a fan! haha All a win does is make it harder for things to get fixed. Find joy in how bad it is. This is EXACTLY what it takes to force changes. I'm still wearing my Oiler hat proudly today.

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#71 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 22 2009, 12:25PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

If you hope for a win then you ARE NOT a fan! haha All a win does is make it harder for things to get fixed. Find joy in how bad it is. This is EXACTLY what it takes to force changes. I'm still wearing my Oiler hat proudly today.

I'm just thinking of you guys when I say that. I can still go to a Moose game or read articles about them winning. I can cheer for them to win without thinking about the possible negative outcomes of encouraging that kind of behaviour. When I think of the state of hockey in Edmonton today, it makes me sad for Edmontonians.

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#72 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 22 2009, 12:28PM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

from 5 game winning streak "looking towards the playoffs" to last place in the West in a week. who didnt see this coming?

Original Ogden Brother - learn how to spell your favorite soap opera characters name. it makes your 10 page rant unbearable to read.

"creating balance" isnt the problem. creating a CORE is. you have one forward who is playing lights out in Penner. the rest of the current, uninjured squad couldnt crack a top line in this league. hell, most of them would barely be second line material. if by balance you mean, "we need about two more elite forwards, and a true shut down D-man instead of one of the Rollerhockey turds who are forwards posing as D-men", then sure, theres your "balance"

Elite forwards are great, but highly unattainable. Balance would be replacing one of Grebs/Gilbert with a Volchenkov/Komisarek type and one of Cogs/O'sully with a Pahlson type along with an energy winger or solid defensive winger like Moen, or someone that could have been plucked off waivers.

Oh, and I could care less how to spell his name.

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#73 Dennis
December 22 2009, 12:30PM
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I doubt Lowe gets fired as long as Katz needs him glad-handing in an effort to secure the public monies for his new building.

I doubt anything changes as long as Lowe's in charge - I believe he hired Tambo as his puppet because Tambo couldn't get the big gig anywhere else and now Lowe gets to play boss without looking like he actually does - and until that happens we should all remember the Cups Lowe won as a player and that one time he almost won one as a GM.

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#74 Smokin' Ray
December 22 2009, 12:37PM
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Racki wrote:

Moreau sounds like Roenick, who complained when he got hit in an exhibition game hard by Gauthier (?). Newsflash: it's a hockey game. If you're complaining that there's hitting at any point of the game, then therein lies the problem. The difference between winners and losers is that the winners will keep the foot on the gas the whole time (and not blow two goal leads).

I was just happy to see some emotion from a player though... and I don't normally defend Moreau. But he's shown enough other times that he doesn't bring it as much anymore when it matters, so I'm not going to put any effort in here defending him this time around.

Sadly Racki. Moreau once again threw his teammates under the bus in his post game thoughts. What kind of an as*hole does that? If he was my Captain, I would be asking management for a change. NEED NEW CAPTAIN!!! Our current one sucks.

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#75 swany
December 22 2009, 12:40PM
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All of us know we are a capped out team that has little talent, we could be a capped out team with loads of talent that still sucks look at Philly, man if that was my team I would be alot madder than I am about this team sucking Philly was supposed to challange for the cup they will be lucky to make the playoffs, hell right now they would pick before us now that's bad.

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#76 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 12:42PM
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Coppperhead wrote:

When you're supposed to be a physical presence on this team and you complain when getting hit, something is not right.

Does anyone know what Moreau brings to the team anymore? No one really knows what goes on between the players but if I was Sam Gagner watching Moreau take stupid penalties, generally play lazy and not even finish his checks well...I would probably tune him out.

For that matter though would Souray really be that much of a better leader? He's constantly taking bad penalties himself. How many times this year will we watch him punch a guy in the face at the blueline for a roughing penalty? 15? 20? Obviously he brings more to the team than Moreau but I'm not sure he's the right guy to lead our young core.

Horcoff would be a decent choice for me because despite his struggles I don't think anyone can argue that he's the hardest working player on the team. But from a fan standpoint though I don't think there could be a worse choice. Everyone already hates him for the dead weight his contract is.

The guys whose play could earn them a C on their jersey are all too soft-spoken to be a leader. Smid, Visnovsky and Penner have all played well this year but none of them are going to lead your team.

Actually the guy I would really love to be the Captain is Pisani but he seems destined to spend most of the rest of his career on the sidelines.

Souray only has about 10 minor penalties this year so I'm guessing he's not anywhere near the 15 or 20 roughing penalties that you think. Souray would make a very good leader.

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#77 SirFozz
December 22 2009, 12:45PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Can we pick an AHL team and start covering them?

Note: If the answer is 'yes', please resist the urge to suggest the Falcons.

We are.

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#78 I'm a Scientist!
December 22 2009, 01:15PM
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I may have missed this, but is 'Bulin done for the season? Or can we just assume? On TSN it says he is out indefinately.

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#79 Dennis
December 22 2009, 01:15PM
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I don't think you're going to read about it anywhere but Souray's been making a lot of bad plays recently.

A lot of his pinches are far from successful - like that one last nite that lead to last Blues ESGF - and though Quinn doesn't mind making it a point to needle 71 for some reason that doesn't translate to 44.

Maybe it's because Souray's tough and likes to bully people and because of that he can make all kinds of other plays that are stupid.

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#80 Matt Henderson
December 22 2009, 01:20PM
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Chris. wrote:

You still waiting for Cogs to score 30? From the farm on up this organization isn't very good... And most of the people who post regularly on this site seem to have a better handle on the teams problems than Tambellini. I've sold off most of my remaining tickets this season and am considering a different hobby for the next. We are in the middle of the darkest chapter of this franchise's on ice history... and all Katz' crew is doing is trying to figure out how to continue charging fans $16 to watch a road game on TV, pay more for smaller beers, park miles away from the arena for $12.00 and with a little luck pay seat liscences for a publicly funded building downtown.

No, Cogs isnt hitting 30. At least not this season. But the guy isnt even old enough to rent a car on his own, so he can still mature into a good NHLer in time. The point I was making wasnt that Cogs is better than Heatley (that would be crazy), its that getting Heatley at the expense of two young players with plenty of upside + Penner would have kept the Oil just as screwed Cap-wise and standing-wise but with even less to look forward to.

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#81 Harlie
December 22 2009, 01:31PM
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Milhouse? I just ROFL'D all over myself!! HAHAHA!!!

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#82 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 01:43PM
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Millhouse is hilarious to watch when he gets riled up. He gets his desk raising thing and stands up and starts giving her into the mic.

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#83 Harlie
December 22 2009, 01:49PM
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JackBauer wrote:

Millhouse is hilarious to watch when he gets riled up. He gets his desk raising thing and stands up and starts giving her into the mic.

I bet Souray needs to kneel down on both knees to look Milhouse squarely in the eyes during an interview.

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#84 The Real Scuba Steve
December 22 2009, 01:49PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Yeah, how's that turning out?

What exactly was his plan this summer? Trade Penner, Smid, and Cogs for a guy who doesnt want to come here? I can only imagine the state of the Oilers if that trade had come through.

The Oilers would have one good player, half their youth, 2 less bodies, and the same (or higher) payroll. Same bad team, less optimism for the future. Thank the hockey gods that someone intervened before Tambi REALLY left his pock-mark on this team.

~I'm sure Tambo has the gift baskets ready and all the free agents home addresses already prepared, he can't fail this summer~

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#85 swany
December 22 2009, 01:54PM
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@The Real Scuba Steve

Don't forget the DVD set on how skilled Hemmer and Gags are.

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#86 Harlie
December 22 2009, 02:07PM
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on a side note...Congrats to Martin Brodeur for continuing to kick some major ass at Goaltending. I had the opportunity to down a few brews with him back in the day at Club Bu'. He was quiet and reserved and kept his head on straight (only 2 beers) and you could tell that he was a focused guy but that he was also cool enough to let loose a little bit. Congrats man!

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#87 Rob
December 22 2009, 02:16PM
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Gregors dirty 'stash wrote:

Taylor Hall will look great in copper and blue....

Let's be serious, Ovechkin and Hailey Wickenheiser's love-child would suck in copper and blue. Not only have the Oil been horrible drafting and developing they have ruined the development of about 80% of the draft picks for the last 20 yrs. Stumble-ini is carrying on that long established tradition with near-perfect results.

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#88 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 02:19PM
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Harlie wrote:

I bet Souray needs to kneel down on both knees to look Milhouse squarely in the eyes during an interview.

If Souray and the boys showed half as much fire as Tencer does during a post game, they may win a game before the end of the year.

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#89 Quintana
December 22 2009, 02:22PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Last year i was all over Tambi for not doing anything to make the team better. People kept saying that it was too early to call him out. Is that over? Can I freely point out the fact that Tambi hasnt addressed any major issues plaguing the team outside of firing a coach that 29 other GM's would have fired (who looks less incompetent the more this team proves to be just as heartless without him)?

I promise not to be grinchy this Christmas season. I am actually hopeful. This team is on a one way trip to Lottery pick central, and that excites me. The team hasnt had a bonafide superstar forward since Doug Weight was in his prime here. I'm all geeked up for next year, and it isnt even the true halfway mark of this year.

There should be a new group of young guys like Eberle, Omark, MPS, and some new top 5 pick fighting for spots. Its really all i have to look forward to.

As part of that group I will include Teemu Hartikainen and Toni Rajala........They will dress up for team Finland tonight!!!!

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#90 Ender
December 22 2009, 02:33PM
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Coppperhead wrote:

Horcoff would be a decent choice [as captain] for me because despite his struggles I don't think anyone can argue that he's the hardest working player on the team. But from a fan standpoint though I don't think there could be a worse choice. Everyone already hates him for the dead weight his contract is.

Horcoff is a good choice. Whether he's a first-line center or not (this has been argued, but let's not right now), he is heart and soul. Guy is out there playing flat out when he's one hit away from surgery. Have you seen the clips of what they have to do to him after every game just to hold him together for the next one? If you want to yell at him about salary, ask yourself how many guys who make his money would keep playing through that injury game after game. Add in the fact that the same contract ensures he'll be here for a loooong time and I think he's a reasonable choice for Captain.

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#91 HOFFFF
December 22 2009, 02:43PM
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Gregors dirty 'stash wrote:

Can anyone tell me isn't there some rule about fighting in the last ten minutes of a game? like a game misconduct or something?

I think thats just in minor hockey. Sorry to say, Moreau will be playing the next game.

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#92 Hemmertime
December 22 2009, 02:55PM
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@Ender

I've been saying for a few months Horc would make a decent captain. He worked himself up from the 4th line to first line C with hard work. He might not be that vocal in the room but its gotta be better than "Im not getting hit when down 6-2". Does that then mean hes not going to hit people when UP 6-2? Those words should signal the end of his captaincy.

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#93 Hemmertime
December 22 2009, 02:57PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

I think thats just in minor hockey. Sorry to say, Moreau will be playing the next game.

47.12 Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at any time in overtime shall be assessed an instigator minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, and a game misconduct penalty (see 47.22).

47.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player or goalkeeper who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime, shall automatically be suspended for one game. The Director of Hockey Operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.

So the rule is you cannot instigate a fight in the last 5 mins or you're suspended.

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#94 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 02:58PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

I think thats just in minor hockey. Sorry to say, Moreau will be playing the next game.

The rule is if you get an instigator penalty in the final 5 minutes of a game or in OT it's an automatic one game suspension.

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#95 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 02:59PM
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@Hemmertime

Beat me to it!

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#96 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 22 2009, 03:02PM
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THANKS HEMMERTIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You hold a place in my heart now, j/k

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#97 pmg2
December 22 2009, 03:07PM
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Simply..............THE OILERS SUCK !!!!! This team is going nowhere verrrry fast !! They're not good enough and not even worth watching....

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#98 Robin Brownlee
December 22 2009, 03:09PM
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Tyler wrote:

How can they take the "C" from him? It stands for "Chopper", you know.

Two of the Knights of the Keyboard calling for the ousting of Lowe and Tambellini on the same day? My goodness. Viva la revoluçion!

With Moreau, I, and many other people, have repeatedly said it doesn't really matter who wears the C -- leaders will lead. I'm wondering, though, if a little symbolism would be a good thing right about now.

As for Lowe and Tambellini, I filed this last night, although it wasn't posted until this morning, and I've been gone all day until now. Who else is on them?

Based on what I know about Katz and Lowe, there's no way he gets run right now, even though he's the architect of this disaster. It's more a case of what I think should happen than what I think will happen. I can see Tambellini, as an outsider, getting the sack first if this trend continues.

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#99 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 03:15PM
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#100 JackBauer
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I have a question: Whats the difference between this 7-2 loss and last year when we suffered not one, but two of these losses at home? Last year it was the coaches and now its the GM?

The players are deadbeats. They dont show up. They dont play worth a damn. Theyre not worth the money they get paid. Theyre terrible. SOme of that falls on the GM, but honestly that falls on the players. Lets start there.

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