Bum fights: the Oilers KTFO by the Blues

Robin Brownlee
December 22 2009 09:12AM

What we gave up to get here (hat tip to David S)

Relatively speaking, Devan Dubnyk is making progress when it comes to the tricky business of getting the hang of the goaltending game, even if he got lit up like a cheap cigar as the Edmonton Oilers took a 7-2 butt-kicking from the St. Louis Blues Monday.

As sieve-like as Dubnyk was in his first NHL start, fishing those seven pucks out of his net on 26 shots, his Andre Racicot impression pales in comparison to his first game as a goaltender -- a 13-1 loss in minor hockey after his dad coughed up all that money for pads. He got past that. He'll get past this.

Dubnyk wasn't very good against the Blues, and he didn't get much help, as the 15th-place Oilers embarrassed themselves good and plenty in a meeting of have-not bottom-feeders in the Western Conference.

That said, let's not get carried away writing Dubnyk off, as some people no doubt will after a regrettable debut. Doing that, based on one bad night and hideous numbers after just two NHL appearances, is as ridiculous a stance as suggesting before this debacle Dubnyk was somehow a better prospect than Jeff Deslauriers, with no NHL experience as evidence to back it up.

But, yes, it was truly ugly.

Look Ma, no hands

Dubnyk, stuck behind Nikolai Khabibulin and Deslauriers in the Oilers crease pecking order, isn't nearly as bad as his teammates helped him look against the Blues and their juggernaut power play. That's obvious. Of course, that isn't much solace to frustrated Oilers fans, who've seen their team win once in their last eight tries at home.

"Devan will remember this game for a long time, I'm sure," coach Pat Quinn said of Dubnyk, who had his parents in the sell-out crowd. "He was kind of left out to hang by his teammates."

Kind of? Counting a relief appearance in a 7-3 loss to the Vancouver Canucks, Dubnyk has now allowed 10 goals on 50 shots, which will play hell with his saves-percentage and put a dent in his confidence.

After all, it's not like he's going to get a lot of chances to redeem himself, even with Khabibulin out. Deslauriers made 14 straight starts before the Blues came calling and he'll carry the load until Khabibulin gets back.

Dubnyk might get a start against either Toronto Dec. 30 or Calgary the next night. A little more help might be an idea if he does.

Exasperated

You know things are in the sh*thouse when the coach sounds like a beaten man 36 games into the season and the housemen and fart catchers, those charged with finding silver linings in the septic tank, are carving ass.

Quinn was running a quart low on piss and vinegar compared to past games during his post-game availability with reporters last night, leaving most of the zingers to those who are usually sunshine and light.

Props, then, to Dan Tencer of 630 CHED, who didn't play patty-cake on his post-game show. Milhouse got all revved up and ripped the Oilers good and plenty. Red his cheeks were. Furnace red.

"The most embarrassing loss of the season for the Oilers," began Tencer, just getting started after the Oilers made it four straight losses at Rexall Place. "They were just flat-out embarrassed on this homestand... You cannot lose 7-2 to the St. Louis Blues." Apparently you can, Dan. Apparently you can.

Given all the above, I can only wonder if owner Daryl Katz has seen enough and is taking notes and names — GM Steve Tambellini and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, for starters. How long will Katz sit silent paying the bills while this franchise spirals into nothingness?

And...

-- Captain Ethan Moreau keeps digging himself deeper in the estimation of fans, and his tantrum late in the game, when he tripped and then cross-checked T.J. Oshie to the ice after a clean hit, just adds ammunition to those arguing No. 18 should have the "C" ripped off his chest.

"I don't like to get hit when it's 6-2," Moreau said. "I'm not going to allow that to happen."

What, Moreau is frustrated? He didn't pay 100 bucks to get into the rink and inhale this stink.

-- If I'm Tambellini or Lowe, assuming they still have jobs when the Christmas roster freeze is lifted, I'm picking up the phone and calling old pal Scott Howson in Columbus to see if there's room to make a deal that can shake up both teams. Problem for a problem? Fine. Spare parts for spare parts? OK. Both outfits are dead in the water right now.

-- The good news is that after they lose in Minnesota Wednesday, the Oilers play six of their first nine games after the Christmas break at home. The bad news is they're 8-9-2 at Rexall Place.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Wednesday and Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#102 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 03:43PM
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Here is a fine article a friend passed on, as to why Kevin Lowe should have been run out of town a LONG LONG LONG time ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/12/11/comrie031210.html

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#103 Tapdog
December 22 2009, 03:43PM
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Unfortunatly, like many of you I was at the game last night and one thing that was very apparent was that after every whistle, most of the Oilers were looking up at the screen. Many around were wondering if they were looking for their next date?? I suppose when you are playing like C--P you have to look up and see how bad it actually looked! No support, No effort... Where the heck was Moreau's passion other than the last minutes when he say's quote " I don't like getting hit when it is 6-2" Oh poor baby, take your lack of leaderhip and get out of town. Once this trade freeze is up Tambo needs to do something right away!! If not Katz has to end this MESS!! Merry Christmas.

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#104 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 22 2009, 03:52PM
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@JackBauer

Back then people where fudge comrie and really didn't care that we ended up with Woywitka a 1st and a 3rd. Just because Perry became something people throw this in Lowe's face.

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#105 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 22 2009, 03:54PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Got it. Not sure about Staples' idea of bringing in an interim caretaker type to clean up the mess.

I have no inside information that Katz is getting tired of what he's seeing, but it just stands to reason he is. I don't see a direction being plotted here and if the boss feels the same way, I'm not sure how long he'll stick with a losing hand. Even if Katz makes a move, I think Lowe is safe, or at least will be allowed to serve the duration of his extension.

I wonder, and it's been suggested before, if it might make sense to move Quinn into the GM's chair and let Renney and Buchberger work the bench. Again, that's based more in common sense than anything I've heard, but I wonder if we might see that.

At JackBauer: I agree it falls on the players first, but if they don't respond, it's up to the GM to change the mix. I get it that Tambellini can't just snap his fingers and clean up this mess with the bad contracts he's working with, but at some point he either had to formulate a plan and carry it out or get the hell out of the way.

A caller from last nights post game had a great comparable:

The Habs are in a very similar cap situation to the Oilers. They have made three minor moves, dealing 2 prospects they felt didn't fit and picked up a short term band-aid when Markov was hurt.

At a minimum those should be resonable expectations of Tambs (though as a caveat it should be noted that the Habs have been as bad as the Oilers)

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#106 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 22 2009, 03:54PM
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JackBauer wrote:

Here is a fine article a friend passed on, as to why Kevin Lowe should have been run out of town a LONG LONG LONG time ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/12/11/comrie031210.html

Bet you that was ownership, not managment.

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#108 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:09PM
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@ Hemmertime & Ender the Dragon

I've been saying on here since last March and to my buddies for a couple of years now, Shawn Horcoff should be the captain. That is not to say he's been playing good, but to say that he IS one of the hardest workers on the team, he plays give-or-take 20:00 of smart hockey a night, he's Mr. Everything, and he'll be here for another 5 years. Given the current roster, the option seems simple to me. That doesn't make the team any better right now though, and then everyone would have one more thing to b!tch about "thecaptainshawnhorcoff".

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#109 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 22 2009, 04:12PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

@ Hemmertime & Ender the Dragon

I've been saying on here since last March and to my buddies for a couple of years now, Shawn Horcoff should be the captain. That is not to say he's been playing good, but to say that he IS one of the hardest workers on the team, he plays give-or-take 20:00 of smart hockey a night, he's Mr. Everything, and he'll be here for another 5 years. Given the current roster, the option seems simple to me. That doesn't make the team any better right now though, and then everyone would have one more thing to b!tch about "thecaptainshawnhorcoff".

agreed! mark it down!

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#110 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 04:12PM
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@Robin Brownlee

I have no inside information that Katz is getting tired of what he's seeing, but it just stands to reason he is. I don't see a direction being plotted here and if the boss feels the same way, I'm not sure how long he'll stick with a losing hand. Even if Katz makes a move, I think Lowe is safe, or at least will be allowed to serve the duration of his extension.

I could be way off but I was always under the impression that Katz wanted to land a superstar here as much or even more so than Lowe or Tambellini.

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#111 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 04:15PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Back then people where fudge comrie and really didn't care that we ended up with Woywitka a 1st and a 3rd. Just because Perry became something people throw this in Lowe's face.

I think people throw is in Lowe's face because it not only sounded like a crappy arrangement for the team now, it was a crappy arrangement for the team then!

Robin you can correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the whole reason Lowe asked for 2.5 million dollars back was out of spite? And that spite was generated because Comrie found a loophole in the CBA which eventually landed him as a free agent instead of a RFA?

The whole deal was nonsense on Lowe's part.

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#113 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 04:21PM
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I have a question off topic from the Comrie deal.

To your knowledge, how did the Glencross deal go down that summer? The Oilers waited to give a deal to Glencross. Then Calgary gave him an offer. Did Glencross take the Flames offer to the Oilers only to have the Oilers say they wont match it?

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#114 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 22 2009, 04:21PM
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@Robin Brownlee

I agree that symbolism would be a good thing right now because they're obviously not capable of doing much else with what they've got. I would also love to see Souray end up with the C. He's more deserving than Horcoff, and I think he embodies the personality that most people want the team to carry.

I just don't see it meshing with the idea that they might end up shopping him.

You can strip Moreau of the C, but what do you do if Souray ends up leaving town at the deadline? Is it Horcoff by default at that point?

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#115 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:24PM
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Ahhh... just imagine... the Oil could have a top line of Getzlaf-Perry-Penner.

~I wonder if they would be any good together~

*oh, nevermind, the horse is dead; no reason to keep beating it*

**kicks & punches dead horse four more times**

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#116 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 04:25PM
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@JackBauer

They way I understand it is that it had something to do with Comrie playing US College Hockey and then playing Junior with the Kootenay Ice so he was able to demand much more than the league maximum for entry level deals since due to his time in College he was set to become an RFA.

I think K-Lo felt like he was being held ransom to some extent to sign Comrie as opposed to letting him go for nothing.

I don't see Lowe's request done for any other reason than spite.

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#117 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:25PM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

YES.

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#118 Eric Johnson
December 22 2009, 04:26PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Mr. Brownlee,

I have a humble request.

I would love to read an article about how you came to work in journalism and found yourself following the OIlers.

How a kid from Vancouver found himself in Edmonton following what must have been a most hated team in your youth.

Pardon me if you've already done so but I really like the personal pieces that yourself and Gregor post from time to time.

Thanks for the great reads.

Cheers

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#120 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:29PM
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Anyone think Penner-Horcoff-Brule are capable of playing top line minutes in a PvP role... I mean, more so than any other combination they could currently choose from. Or is that asking too much of Brule? Clearly him & Penner have some chemistry, and clearly Penner is their best forward (at this point in time).

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#121 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:30PM
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Eric Johnson wrote:

Mr. Brownlee,

I have a humble request.

I would love to read an article about how you came to work in journalism and found yourself following the OIlers.

How a kid from Vancouver found himself in Edmonton following what must have been a most hated team in your youth.

Pardon me if you've already done so but I really like the personal pieces that yourself and Gregor post from time to time.

Thanks for the great reads.

Cheers

x2

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#122 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:33PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Isn't that negotiating? Start at 1.8 and work your way down. Heck, maybe you get more than you wanted. Instead, they turned their nose up at him and let him walk. How about "well Curtis, how about 1.0"??

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#123 JackBauer
December 22 2009, 04:34PM
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@Robin Brownlee

Thanks for the Glencross story.

In the aforementioned Comrie deal, when Kevin Lowe stated that he was looking for "fair market value". Was there a player that Lowe had in mind that he wanted from Anahiem other than Corry Perry?

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#124 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 22 2009, 04:35PM
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The whole organization is a joke at this point it will take years before anything can get better, I hate to say it people we are the flames of the mid 90's early 2000's

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#125 Dan the Man
December 22 2009, 04:37PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Anyone think Penner-Horcoff-Brule are capable of playing top line minutes in a PvP role... I mean, more so than any other combination they could currently choose from. Or is that asking too much of Brule? Clearly him & Penner have some chemistry, and clearly Penner is their best forward (at this point in time).

I was thinking the exact same thing after JW wrote about how we didn't really have an option to go up against the other teams top units while protecting a lead.

We already know that Horcoff is reliable defensively and Penner has proven to be one of the Oilers top defensive forwards. I'd be concerned about Brule though as well but maybe based on the game (are we protecting a lead or attempting a comeback)you could swap out Brule for ......do the Oilers have another forward that is good defensively?

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#126 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 22 2009, 04:38PM
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Gregors dirty 'stash wrote:

The whole organization is a joke at this point it will take years before anything can get better, I hate to say it people we are the flames of the mid 90's early 2000's

when the flames stunk in the mid 90's early 2000's, so did the oilers.

essentially, the oilers now are the oilers of the mid 90s.

20 years of mediocrity!!!!!

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#127 Gregors dirty 'stash
December 22 2009, 04:39PM
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Thats a good point, wooo, the team will not get any UFA super stars unless they can freaking win

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#128 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:41PM
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Gregors dirty 'stash wrote:

The whole organization is a joke at this point it will take years before anything can get better, I hate to say it people we are the flames of the mid 90's early 2000's

Or... the Oilers of 92-96.

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#129 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 22 2009, 04:43PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Or... the Oilers of 92-96.

is there an echo in here?

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#130 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:51PM
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Kevin Lowe didn't identify the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim or the amount as $2.5 million, but the Edmonton Oilers GM confirmed yesterday the pay-as-you-go scheme he pitched to Mike Comrie and agent Ritch Winter. "I think we're fairly close with a team," Lowe said, not naming the Mighty Ducks. "In our minds, it's not fair market value, so we asked Mike Comrie to top up the deal. "This particular deal. Not all deals or any deals, but this particular deal so we could get to a point where we felt we had something that addresses our needs this year and in the future." With Anaheim GM Bryan Murray and Lowe closing in on a trade sending Comrie to the Ducks for top prospect Corey Perry and a first-round draft pick, Lowe gave Winter approval to work out a contract for Comrie with the team involved - with a stipulation the parties would talk before the deal was finalized. Winter says he did that, negotiating a new contract with Murray, before Lowe asked for the payment as a condition of completing the trade.

So... it wasn't fair market value? Corey Perry (a top prospect) AND a 1st round pick (that turned out to be Ladislav Smid if I'm not mistaken) for Mike Comrie was not enough. "We need 2.5 mil".

As the almighty Minister Towel Boy likes to say... "Yea, that should do it".

~At least Jeff Woywitka worked out~

And the 1st round pick from Philli? Rob Schremp?

Karma's a b!tch, Kevin.

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#131 RossCreekNation
December 22 2009, 04:53PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

ECHO!

echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo! echo!

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#132 RW
December 22 2009, 04:57PM
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Explains the guts of the Mike Comrie college to junior maneuvering..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1021271/index.htm

Mr. Staples sums up the Comrie debacle rather well in this recap..

http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/blogs/hockey/archive/2009/09/10/mike-comrie-s-first-stint-in-edmonton-from-hockey-ace-to-hockey-disgrace.aspx

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#133 RW
December 22 2009, 05:04PM
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Funny how everyone remembered to boo Mike when he came back to town but no one remembers why he left in the first place..

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#134 dunciano
December 22 2009, 05:14PM
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Poor Dubnyk,

They can't let a young guy sit so long on the bench and then expect him to be good.

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#135 RW
December 22 2009, 05:23PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

So the EIG board convened and made it policy that Management screw over a good faith deal last minute to piss off Mike and Rich? Or to try and get money compensation from Mike in order for him to be traded?

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#136 Travis Dakin
December 22 2009, 05:31PM
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@RW

I guess we have to try to remember that Comrie was 21 years old and had a season of 30 goals and 60 points and was generally thought of as going to be a top player in the league. Comrie had earned a lot of money from the Oilers and Lowe was rightfully pissed that he wanted to leave. Lowe had a good "asset" at the time and wanted fair market value for him. Back in 2001 when draft picks weren't as prescious as they are now (thanks to the cap) and Corey Perry was just a "prospect," that would not have been a fair trade for Comrie. But holy crap would that have been one hell of deal now.

Money was so tight back then that 2.5 million would have gone a long way to adding another player to replace Comrie when he left. I understand the reasoning behind the scenario but I don't think it was right. I think it was a super dick move. Especially with the benefit of hind sight.

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#137 Shaun Doe
December 22 2009, 06:25PM
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I heard a pretty interesting take on the Phoenix turn around that I thought could have applied to the Oilers a couple years back. Bob Mckenzie said that when Tippet took over as head coach he told management that he didn't want so many kids on the team. So he had them ship all those rookies and sophmores that didn't need to clear waivers back to the AHL etc. With the extra roster spots they GM picked up stable veterans to round out the roster. I can't remember if it was Tippet, Mckenzie or someone else who explained that the NHL is not where young players go to learn to play in the pro's. So it shouldn't be used as a training grounds. Rather, young players should become seasoned in the AHL and come to the NHL when they are ready since they are often not ready to face a full NHL season as evident by the collapse the Coyotes faced in the second half of last season. Just thought that was some food for thought.

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#138 David S
December 22 2009, 06:53PM
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Shaun Doe wrote:

I heard a pretty interesting take on the Phoenix turn around that I thought could have applied to the Oilers a couple years back. Bob Mckenzie said that when Tippet took over as head coach he told management that he didn't want so many kids on the team. So he had them ship all those rookies and sophmores that didn't need to clear waivers back to the AHL etc. With the extra roster spots they GM picked up stable veterans to round out the roster. I can't remember if it was Tippet, Mckenzie or someone else who explained that the NHL is not where young players go to learn to play in the pro's. So it shouldn't be used as a training grounds. Rather, young players should become seasoned in the AHL and come to the NHL when they are ready since they are often not ready to face a full NHL season as evident by the collapse the Coyotes faced in the second half of last season. Just thought that was some food for thought.

If by "food for thought" you mean "that's how its supposed to be done", I would agree with you 110%. Our team is running in so many newbies its plain ridiculous. And you know what? Its such a bad strategy that I have to believe they're doing it on purpose for some reason beyond our knowledge.

After last night, I'm really starting to wonder if the plan is to position the team as being crappy because they don't play in a spanky new hi-tech arena. Another seemingly strange occurance is that anybody can see the ice is garbage night after night. I have to believe that its not rocket science to fix it up, so there's got to be a reason they don't.

Its not like this team got bad overnight. Its been heading this way for a while. Not having Khabby is only the straw that broke the camel's back. That literally nothing has been done despite the fact casual fans have seen this coming (not to mention the countless articles by guys who actually have the inside track like Brownlee) absolutely slays me. Either our management is really, really dumb or something else is going on here.

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#139 highexplosive
December 22 2009, 07:00PM
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Horcoff = Crap Moreau = Lousy Captain & Washed Up Staios = Washed Up Pisani = See above Poliuot = Thank god MacT still isnt here.

Minus these 5 from the roster....maybe then the team can rebuild. The top three listed havent done much the last few years and we dont need a Buchburger style captain anymore.

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#140 lenny
December 22 2009, 09:49PM
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Eric Johnson wrote:

Mr. Brownlee,

I have a humble request.

I would love to read an article about how you came to work in journalism and found yourself following the OIlers.

How a kid from Vancouver found himself in Edmonton following what must have been a most hated team in your youth.

Pardon me if you've already done so but I really like the personal pieces that yourself and Gregor post from time to time.

Thanks for the great reads.

Cheers

Who said that Brownlee is Oilers fan now. He was against Oilers getting Gaborik, Boumister, Glencross, Heatly, Jagr to name a few and now he is saying that they have no one to score goals? Hah you are funny! He is still and always will be Vancouver fan!

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#142 RW
December 22 2009, 11:25PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

I guess we have to try to remember that Comrie was 21 years old and had a season of 30 goals and 60 points and was generally thought of as going to be a top player in the league. Comrie had earned a lot of money from the Oilers and Lowe was rightfully pissed that he wanted to leave. Lowe had a good "asset" at the time and wanted fair market value for him. Back in 2001 when draft picks weren't as prescious as they are now (thanks to the cap) and Corey Perry was just a "prospect," that would not have been a fair trade for Comrie. But holy crap would that have been one hell of deal now.

Money was so tight back then that 2.5 million would have gone a long way to adding another player to replace Comrie when he left. I understand the reasoning behind the scenario but I don't think it was right. I think it was a super dick move. Especially with the benefit of hind sight.

Oh definitely remember that as a 21 year old Comrie had scored 33 goals in his first full season in the league and lead the team in goals. I remember his gutsy play in the playoffs in 2001. 61 goals in 2 and a half seasons as an Oiler, all under the age of 23, in a time when goal scoring was at an absolute premium.

So when the Oilers qualified him at his previous years base salary +10%, which worked out to be around $935,000, that was the first slap in the face from management to Mike. Comrie had no arbitration rights. He could have either accepted the absolute low ball qualifying offer, which was not possible in his position as a first line center and repeat 20 goal scorer(the NHLPA would have sh:t), or sit. So, he sat. He had no choice but to reject that qualifying offer.

I also remember that, unlike Bill Guerin fours years prior during his hold out, Mike wanted to attend training camp and he was locked out by management. 'He wanted to play.' He just didn't want to sign that contract.

So when you say "he wanted to leave" that is definitely not the whole story. If the Oilers would have offered him a fair contract that reflected "fair market value" for a player of his caliber, as you yourself say "generally thought of as going to be a top player in the league", and Comrie still held out then you could accuse him of wanting to leave. In my opinion it was management that desired Comrie to leave town and spun the situation in the media and public to vilify Mike and make it look like he was the bad guy.

The 2.5 mil pay-for-trade ransom further shows management's desire to settle some type of score with Mike.

And yes money was an daily concern for the Oilers organization in those days, but please. I remember as an Oiler fan feeling 'embarrassed' that our GM would demand money back from a player, like it was a bad thing to go out and lead your team in goals and points. Comrie bled and broke bones for the Oilers organization and that was what he got in return. What a joke.

The thing that sickens me the most is how all the lemming fans got right on board with the organization and vilified and booed the hell out him. No wonder players think twice about playing here. During the playoffs we have the some of the greatest fans in North American sports. During the regular season easily some of the most arrogant, vindictive and deserting turncoats you can fit into a hockey arena.

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#143 Travis Dakin
December 22 2009, 11:55PM
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@RW

I actually forgot about that low ball offer. Good point. As for everything else you said.... How right you are.

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#144 jeanshorts
December 23 2009, 01:52AM
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@RW

During the regular season easily some of the most arrogant, vindictive and deserting turncoats you can fit into a hockey arena.

I heard that.

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#145 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 23 2009, 07:26AM
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Not sure if I misheard but did Gregor and Rishaug say that Moreau and Staios know that they will be dealt this year?

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#146 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 23 2009, 07:55AM
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Wow, Potulny to get first line duties tonight between Penner and Brule.

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#147 Senator Theo
December 23 2009, 08:14AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

when the flames stunk in the mid 90's early 2000's, so did the oilers.

essentially, the oilers now are the oilers of the mid 90s.

20 years of mediocrity!!!!!

Those Oilers were making the playoffs (some/most years) and even won a couple of series. That puts those Oilers ahead of today's (post lock-out) Flames IMO.

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#148 Cleetis
December 23 2009, 08:16AM
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Hey Brownlee,

In Barnes' articcle yesterday he had this paragraph about about hiding big contracts in the minors:

"They were so completely awful and outclassed by the end of it that if general manager Steve Tambellini really had the green light from owner Daryl Katz to stash big, fat contracts in the minors -- as we were led to believe -- the punitive airlift should start as soon as the roster freeze is lifted."

Was there recent indication that Katz has said to Tambellini he can start waiveing some of the big tickets?

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#149 David S
December 23 2009, 08:22AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Wow, Potulny to get first line duties tonight between Penner and Brule.

Wow, we've got so little depth that Potulny and Brule are getting first line duties with Penner.

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