Time for a change: let the do-over begin

Robin Brownlee
December 29 2009 11:38AM

I'll admit to being stubborn when it comes to changing my mind on stances I've taken, like the need to tear down the Edmonton Oilers roster and start over with a full-scale rebuild, but the abomination that is the Oilers seven-game losing streak has made a believer out of me.

While the make-up and mix of the roster coach Pat Quinn has to work with has looked wrong to me since training camp broke, I have been of the mind, given injuries and illness, that GM Steve Tambellini should wait 50-60 games to start undoing this edition of the team.

Even then, I wasn't in for a full-scale Dive For Five, but after watching this mis-matched collection of players that's supposed to be a team fade into a nothingness that can only be described as an epic fail, 39 games has me convinced.

Consider me a card-carrying member of the DFF Faction, a convert to the belief that Tambellini, or somebody else if he doesn't have the stomach or wherewithal for the job, has to do whatever it takes to get to square one.

Dan Barnes pulled the trigger by calling for the same thing today in The Journal, so I'm not claiming to be staking new ground here, but I'd rather catch on to what many fans here at OilersNation and elsewhere have been saying sooner rather than later.

It's broke. Time to fix it.

The ugly details

I said a week or so ago my philosophy for the DFF is that landing a 2010 draft lottery pick should be considered an aside to a proper rebuild, not the focus of it. I'm sticking by that because I don't believe a Taylor Hall or a Tyler Seguin is the cure-all for the Oilers, even if it is a start.

The goal for me is freeing up cap space and creating options, rather than throwing the mess Kevin Lowe created on the shoulders of 18-year-old kids coming out of the draft, no matter how talented they might be, in the next couple of years.

  • If I'm Tambellini, I'm faxing the other 29 GMs in the league a list of roster players I'm willing to trade before the New Year. I'm informing them that I'm ready to deal between now and the deadline.
    The only players NOT on that list are Ales Hemsky, Ladislav Smid, Andrew Cogliano, Ryan Potulny, J.F. Jacques, Dustin Penner, Ryan Stone, Zack Stortini, Gilbert Brule and Sam Gagner.
    With the exception of Hemsky and Penner, these players don't put a significant dent in the salary cap now and likely won't in their next contracts. There is no windfall waiting for Cogliano or Gagner this summer, so they aren't going anywhere, at least not yet.
  • While it's unlikely there'll be calls for players at the top of the salary scale like Shawn Horcoff, Sheldon Souray or Lubomir Visnovsky, I'd make them as attractive as possible. Dump their salary for picks and prospects, if possible. Yes, these contracts are next-to-impossible to trade, but you take a shot and see what happens. If one or all of them are back, so be it.
  • I'm especially pushing Ethan Moreau, Steve Staios and Patrick O'Sullivan before the deadline. They could be decent pieces for the right team during the stretch drive, even with some term left.
  • My 2010-11 edition of the Oilers includes Jordan Eberle, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Theo Peckham and Taylor Chorney.
  • My first moves before hitting the fax machine are, as Barnes suggested, finding out if surgery is the answer for Horcoff's shoulder and Nikolai Khabibulin's back.
    Surgery takes them out of play in terms of trades in the unlikely case that anybody would be interested -- Mike Milbury isn't an option -- but it helps secure a lottery pick. 

At the top

  • If I'm owner Daryl Katz, I'm grading Tambellini on what he does between now and the trade deadline. If I don't see a significant shift in the right direction, he gets a pink slip when the season ends.
  • If Tambellini gets the sack, then Quinn moves from coach to GM, while associate Tom Renney and assistants Wayne Fleming and Kelly Buchberger run the bench. I also look at rescuing Rob Daum from the shit show that is Springfield and adding him to the staff here.
  • The entire hockey operations side gets re-evaluated at the end of the season, and that evaluation begins with the scouting staff, starting with Kevin Prendergast.
  • If I'm Katz, I take a long look at old pal Kevin Lowe, now the president of hockey operations, and ask some tough questions. Does he serve out the term of his extension or take the fall now for the mess he left Tambellini? Either way, Lowe's days are numbered.
  • If I'm Katz, I call Tambellini, Lowe and anybody who has a stake in the decision-making process and inform them in no uncertain terms the do-over starts now. Then, I call a news conference to tell fans exactly that.

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#101 swany
December 29 2009, 02:29PM
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Mowzie wrote:

I would look at getting bigger, adding faceoff prowess, and creating a better balance.

I would do everything in my power to get rid of Horcoff's contract.

I would chase D. Steckel and Z. Konopka for my 3rd and 4th line centers. Both big bodies with 60%+ faceoff percentages.

I would start the AHL season with Eberle, Svennson, Lander and Omark in my top 6. Let them get used to each other and bring them up as needed between next years trade deadline and the beginning of the 11-12 season.

I would build my defense around Visonovsky and Smid.. Try and move Souray for Clowe or something like that. They'll need to replace Blake soon.

Gilbert and Grebeshkov would both be on the block, Smid needs a new contract, and there is no way we let him go.

Chase A. Sutton in the summer to replace Souray's presence.

Moreau and Staois go.

O'Sullivan goes.

Cogliano and/or Gagner are shopped for bigger players. Horton/Carter/Stafford etc. Even if we have to add something in some cases.

Hope for Taylor Hall.

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Eberle won't play in the AHL he's that good, Bob just said that all the experts say he's the best offensive talent at the JC better than Hall. As for Omark he won't play in the A either he has said he will come over and try out if he makes the Oil great if not then he wants to go back to the KHL. everyone else maybe but i would bet MPS has a great shot at making the big club. He's a great skater and can really shoot

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#102 crash
December 29 2009, 02:31PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

That sounds a lot like J.F. and Stortini, only smaller.

More talented than JF and Stortini...also meaner

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#103 quicksilver ballet
December 29 2009, 02:32PM
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If we could play dumb and dumber for a moment how about trading unmoveables for unmoveables with Philadelphia.

Horcoff, Cogs,Khabibulin,Moreau and a D man or a variation thereof to the flyers for Briere, Gagne, Carcillo, Emery or a variation of and a bag of pucks. Something that makes sense financially.......atleast change the curtains on the outhouse will ya.

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#104 Heatly
December 29 2009, 02:33PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Anyone you have in mind from L.A ?

You'd have to think B.Schenn is close to untouchable, who else does L.A have that we may want?

And knowing that rumors have speculated Souray going to L.A, what other prospects should we be looking at

I don't think if we make a trade we will get prospects in return because Tambo will be gone. We need some real players for someone like Souray. Maybe we can package someone like Cogs/POS or ?

Frolov or Simmonds would be good. Don't know anything about L.A's prospects.

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#105 Bucknuck
December 29 2009, 02:35PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Anyone you have in mind from L.A ?

You'd have to think B.Schenn is close to untouchable, who else does L.A have that we may want?

And knowing that rumors have speculated Souray going to L.A, what other prospects should we be looking at

I think you go for Brown.

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#106 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 02:36PM
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quicksilver ballet wrote:

If we could play dumb and dumber for a moment how about trading unmoveables for unmoveables with Philadelphia.

Horcoff, Cogs,Khabibulin,Moreau and a D man or a variation thereof to the flyers for Briere, Gagne, Carcillo, Emery or a variation of and a bag of pucks. Something that makes sense financially.......atleast change the curtains on the outhouse will ya.

I'd take Tootoo over Carcillo in a second. Ew.

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#107 crash
December 29 2009, 02:37PM
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swany wrote:

I would keep Gagner he is only 20, but we must move a couple small guys at least. I would try and move Cogs, Nilsson(after how he's played there must be a market for him now) and PattyO. I keep Brule and Gagner adding to them Eberle, MPS, and Omark that's alot of skill on the small side then try and move Souray for picks prospect, and move one of Gilbert, Grebs, Grebs being easier to move because his contract is done at the end of the season. the no brainers are Moreau, and Steve. Keep JFJ, Storts for the bottom six and add from there. If we get into the bottom 5 how big is Taylor Hall? My top six next year are Penner, Gagner, Hemmer MPS, Horc, Eberle, and if you can move Horc (next to impossible) put Hall into the middle Then have Brule centre the third line with JFJ Potulny (he's a keeper can replace Pies) fouth line of Storts, (a good faceoff guy and PK'er) Stone. On D Vis, Smid, Gilbert, Chorney, Pecham and a big shut down guy.

Taylor Hall is listed at 6 ft at 180lbs...he's only 18, he may get bigger especially weight wise.

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#108 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 02:38PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

I'd take Tootoo over Carcillo in a second. Ew.

Ya, if people complained about Moreau's "bad penalties" wait until they say Carcillo's.

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#109 swany
December 29 2009, 02:43PM
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crash wrote:

Taylor Hall is listed at 6 ft at 180lbs...he's only 18, he may get bigger especially weight wise.

Thanks he should hit 200-210lbs over the next couple year he would fit in at centre. If we go this way it would be nice to have the kids come up and grow together.

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#110 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 02:44PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Ya, if people complained about Moreau's "bad penalties" wait until they say Carcillo's.

Carcillo's one of the few players that evoke a "what an idiot" response from me. Avery's another.

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#111 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 02:44PM
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swany wrote:

Thanks he should hit 200-210lbs over the next couple year he would fit in at centre. If we go this way it would be nice to have the kids come up and grow together.

~Yeah! Let's take this team in a new direction. Let the kids play already!~

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#112 Dwayne
December 29 2009, 02:47PM
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I concur! It sucks but lets just tank the season get a high draft pic get rid of our terrible defence not including Vishnofski, Maybe Get rid of Kevin Lowe this is all his doing anyway! Food for thought maybe. But what do I know I am just an Oilers fan in hard times.

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#113 swany
December 29 2009, 02:56PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

~Yeah! Let's take this team in a new direction. Let the kids play already!~

I'm NOT comparing the old days with now but when we first got a team, Sather let the kids play and grow togwther if we want to build a winner it just makes sense to let these guys play and grow up together 2 years from now they will know where each other are before the other guy knows a pass is comming, and this is what i'm talking about having a plan. If the plan is to have Eberle, Omark, MPS, Gagner Penner, Hemmer, Brule, Hall(Hopefully) all play together start next year and do it. Make the trades you can and start this as soon as next year bring the guys up you know can play here and let them play. If the Pats don't make the playoffs can Eberle come up and play here?

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#114 Hemmertime
December 29 2009, 02:57PM
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swany wrote:

RB I have croosed to this side as well, Taylor Hall with Eberle MPS Hemmer, Penner Cogs, and Gags has a nice ring to it but along with the guys you mentioned wouldn't it be a good idea in moving a couple smaller guys. Omark is supposed to come over and if he makes this team that gives us Omark, Eberle, Hall?, Cogs Gags Nilsson PattyO(which you said move)that's alot of small guys. Would you put Cogs in a package with say Souray for a real good return like a couple 1st round picks a good prospect and a third line young faceoff centre(could you get that). What about this other guys at the WJHC like Lander, and the guy from Fin can they make a push for next year as well? It sucks to say that hockey season is already over but watching this team is painful, lets go L.A. gotta hope for some past Oilers, and cheering for Cal, or Van just won't happen.

The deal you want is the deal ANA got for Pronger, Souray and Cogs dont bring that.

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#115 Hemmertime
December 29 2009, 03:04PM
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GSC wrote:

Is that you, TambLowe?

Chasing the "big fish" only lands the Oilers in deep water with nothing to show for it. Excuse the metaphor, but IMO that's one of the biggest self-inflicted wounds that the organization has brought upon itself.

Volchenkov or Mitchell would be a nice veteran shutdown defenceman, but at what price? If Mattias Ohlund went for $3.6 MIL to Tampa, what is the going rate for one of those two (and both are better than Ohlund)? The idea of a Ryan or Horton is sexy, but again, at what price?

I say it's time the organization got smart with its spending. If you're going to sign free agents, sign some prime-aged/veteran players who give you bang for the buck, value depth players that the organization sorely lacks. Overspending on UFA's is not the way to go. I'd love to see the Oilers take a Buffalo Sabres stance on those kind of contracts, sticking to developing their own talent and keeping that talent around for the long haul.

Neither Mitchell or Volchenkov are better than Ohlund. Granted Id rather have Mitchell on our current team than Ohlund but overall Ohlund is a much better rounded D man

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#116 swany
December 29 2009, 03:06PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

The deal you want is the deal ANA got for Pronger, Souray and Cogs dont bring that.

It's not the deal I want it was a question could you get that. So what do you get for a PP D-man and a guy that has scored 18 goals twice would a 1st a 2nd a prospect and a faceoff guy work I don't think you would take anything less for Souray and Cogs. Souray isn't Prongs but adding Cogs should get you close to the same deal plus Souray is on a shorter term HAHA

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#117 Hemmertime
December 29 2009, 03:09PM
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All the comments and even RB saying move Visnovsky... doesnt make sense to me unless we are getting a great return. Dumping Souray or Gilbert, fine. But Vis is signed through 3 more years and will allow our kids to grow and cover their mistakes. If we want 2-3 years of lottery picks, by all means, trade him. If we want to be decent after next season we keep him. Grebeshkov has youth but he will NEVER be what Visnovsky is.

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#118 Hemmertime
December 29 2009, 03:15PM
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@swany

I say you're lucky to get a first round pick (low) and a player. Cogs would make Souray more appealing so maybe that player could play 2nd - third line. 2 picks + prospect + fill a need? No chance imho. Likely a 2-3rd round draft pick - a middling grinder type prospect, and a third pairing D man (or shorty FW).

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#119 swany
December 29 2009, 03:23PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I say you're lucky to get a first round pick (low) and a player. Cogs would make Souray more appealing so maybe that player could play 2nd - third line. 2 picks + prospect + fill a need? No chance imho. Likely a 2-3rd round draft pick - a middling grinder type prospect, and a third pairing D man (or shorty FW).

Holy crap that's low or I think to much of Souray. But if this is the direction we are going it's time to move alot of guys not just a couple.

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#120 Cleetis
December 29 2009, 03:24PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

As Bob just put it, a very honest conversation with Shawn Horcoff coming up soon on OilersLunch.

Hey RC, or anyone who listened,

What were the coles notes of that caonversation? I didn't get a chance to listen, but did anything enlightening come out of it?

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#121 Broken One Piece
December 29 2009, 03:26PM
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"I said a week or so ago my philosophy for the DFF is that landing a 2010 draft lottery pick should be considered an aside to a proper rebuild, not the focus of it. I'm sticking by that because I don't believe a Taylor Hall or a Tyler Seguin is the cure-all for the Oilers, even if it is a start."

it would suck to get that #1 pick and find out hes a flop, patrick steffan anyone? i agree with the above statement but it is a start. im not big on giving up on o'sullivan just yet but even im getting a little choked with his lack of interest. untill they wake up and get rid of horcoff which would take a miracle, this team isn't going any where, hes not a first or second line centremen on any other team so i think it would take quite a bit to get rid of him. i would call getting rid of horcoff a "good start" and going from there...

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#122 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 03:30PM
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swany wrote:

I'm NOT comparing the old days with now but when we first got a team, Sather let the kids play and grow togwther if we want to build a winner it just makes sense to let these guys play and grow up together 2 years from now they will know where each other are before the other guy knows a pass is comming, and this is what i'm talking about having a plan. If the plan is to have Eberle, Omark, MPS, Gagner Penner, Hemmer, Brule, Hall(Hopefully) all play together start next year and do it. Make the trades you can and start this as soon as next year bring the guys up you know can play here and let them play. If the Pats don't make the playoffs can Eberle come up and play here?

That's because Sather had multiple hall of fame talents. This group of prospects/young players will be lucky to yield 1/2 regular all-stars.

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#123 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 03:33PM
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Broken One Piece wrote:

"I said a week or so ago my philosophy for the DFF is that landing a 2010 draft lottery pick should be considered an aside to a proper rebuild, not the focus of it. I'm sticking by that because I don't believe a Taylor Hall or a Tyler Seguin is the cure-all for the Oilers, even if it is a start."

it would suck to get that #1 pick and find out hes a flop, patrick steffan anyone? i agree with the above statement but it is a start. im not big on giving up on o'sullivan just yet but even im getting a little choked with his lack of interest. untill they wake up and get rid of horcoff which would take a miracle, this team isn't going any where, hes not a first or second line centremen on any other team so i think it would take quite a bit to get rid of him. i would call getting rid of horcoff a "good start" and going from there...

You should check out the 2nd line centers around the league. I'd be Horc would step in as the 2nd line center on more then half of them.

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#124 swany
December 29 2009, 03:39PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

That's because Sather had multiple hall of fame talents. This group of prospects/young players will be lucky to yield 1/2 regular all-stars.

To build chemistry you don't need hall of famers. What I'm saying is let them play together so we don't have 10 foot passes that are missed. This is not the old Oilers but no team is, it was a refrence to the old days on how to let the kids play, by no means did i try to say the Oilers now could be the Oilers past never will be. If you totaly go rebuild I think the only way this team ever wins is if they learn from each other they can't mix in guys that will be gone a year or 2 from now They should play the guys they have marked for this team long term and get rid of the rest.

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#125 Phil
December 29 2009, 03:41PM
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I can't stand the thought of Pat Quinn becoming GM. At all.

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#126 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 03:41PM
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swany wrote:

To build chemistry you don't need hall of famers. What I'm saying is let them play together so we don't have 10 foot passes that are missed. This is not the old Oilers but no team is, it was a refrence to the old days on how to let the kids play, by no means did i try to say the Oilers now could be the Oilers past never will be. If you totaly go rebuild I think the only way this team ever wins is if they learn from each other they can't mix in guys that will be gone a year or 2 from now They should play the guys they have marked for this team long term and get rid of the rest.

Sounds good, but completly unreasonable. Every team in the league has a fair amount of turn-over every year.

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#127 dunciano
December 29 2009, 03:43PM
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Magnus Paajarvi would benefit from a year in the minors in my opinion (even the WHL). Look at what the extra year has done for Eberle.

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#128 crash
December 29 2009, 03:51PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

That's because Sather had multiple hall of fame talents. This group of prospects/young players will be lucky to yield 1/2 regular all-stars.

You have absolutely NO way of knowing this...why would you say it?

Hemsky already is...why can't Eberle, Hall, MPS, Gagner possibly become stars? or more....

It's not a given they won't

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#129 Senator Theo
December 29 2009, 03:51PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

As per Dan Tencer...

Fernando Pisani skated with the team today. Steve Staios & Ladislav Smid did not. Mike Comrie took "a twirl on his own".

I also read Tencer's report about Comrie's "twirl". Umm, I'm not sure what's going on with MC anymore. a twirl? Sounds a bit faniciful to me. I wonder if he put on his Oilers' "silks" before taking his "twirl"?

Maybe that was just Dan's influence poking through.

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#130 swany
December 29 2009, 03:54PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Sounds good, but completly unreasonable. Every team in the league has a fair amount of turn-over every year.

If what we are talking about is a full rebuild we should have little turn over for the next 4 years. Plus the guys I'm talking about will be 8-10 guys that will make up the core of forwards most of them will be cheap to keep around as well. Look at the Avs do you really think they will have alot of turn over they did it last year they might add next year but it will only be 1 or 2 tweeks. If the Oil go with Penner, Hemmer Eberle, MPS Omark Brule, Gagner, Hall? as the core there won't be a big turn over they should be able to play together for the next 4 years easily.

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#131 swany
December 29 2009, 03:56PM
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dunciano wrote:

Magnus Paajarvi would benefit from a year in the minors in my opinion (even the WHL). Look at what the extra year has done for Eberle.

He's already playing pro , don't see him going to the WHL for sure but the A is an option, but then again he might want to be on the big club or go back and play pro over there.

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#132 Bar Qu
December 29 2009, 03:57PM
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Great article. Good to hear a few more voices realising how bad this team is, even with injuries factored in.

The one thing I would argue with, is that the drafting side of things has been really good the last few years. Leave them alone to do their thing and keep doing it well.

Trading everyone who can be for whatever you get (bag of pucks included) is imperative. Everything else hockey operations needs to go up in a January Christmas tree bonfire.

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#133 crash
December 29 2009, 03:57PM
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swany wrote:

If what we are talking about is a full rebuild we should have little turn over for the next 4 years. Plus the guys I'm talking about will be 8-10 guys that will make up the core of forwards most of them will be cheap to keep around as well. Look at the Avs do you really think they will have alot of turn over they did it last year they might add next year but it will only be 1 or 2 tweeks. If the Oil go with Penner, Hemmer Eberle, MPS Omark Brule, Gagner, Hall? as the core there won't be a big turn over they should be able to play together for the next 4 years easily.

Hey Swany just wanted to reply to something you asked earlier...yes once the Pats get knocked out of the playoffs and their season is over Eberle can come here if he is under contract.

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#134 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 03:58PM
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Senator Theo wrote:

I also read Tencer's report about Comrie's "twirl". Umm, I'm not sure what's going on with MC anymore. a twirl? Sounds a bit faniciful to me. I wonder if he put on his Oilers' "silks" before taking his "twirl"?

Maybe that was just Dan's influence poking through.

He should be tickling the twine in no time.

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#135 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 03:58PM
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crash wrote:

You have absolutely NO way of knowing this...why would you say it?

Hemsky already is...why can't Eberle, Hall, MPS, Gagner possibly become stars? or more....

It's not a given they won't

I don't believe Hemsky has ever been to an Allstar game.

It's called reality, the odds of all 4 of those guys becoming "stars" is next to nill.

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#136 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 04:00PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I don't believe Hemsky has ever been to an Allstar game.

It's called reality, the odds of all 4 of those guys becoming "stars" is next to nill.

People have it in their heads that just because something can happen, it's not only possible, but likely. That's why people buy lottery tickets, and it's the only reason why I touch Sport Select.

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#137 swany
December 29 2009, 04:04PM
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crash wrote:

Hey Swany just wanted to reply to something you asked earlier...yes once the Pats get knocked out of the playoffs and their season is over Eberle can come here if he is under contract.

Great that should be the first thing they do bring him up for 10 games ans see what he's got up here, isn't he under contract or was that just on a try out contract last year.

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#138 swany
December 29 2009, 04:07PM
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Bar Qu wrote:

Great article. Good to hear a few more voices realising how bad this team is, even with injuries factored in.

The one thing I would argue with, is that the drafting side of things has been really good the last few years. Leave them alone to do their thing and keep doing it well.

Trading everyone who can be for whatever you get (bag of pucks included) is imperative. Everything else hockey operations needs to go up in a January Christmas tree bonfire.

Like I said before if it's a full rebuild you trade away everything that's NOT in the plans 3 or 4 years from now, again look at the Avs they traded away guys that weren't part of the rebuild ie Smitty, Lappy. We may suck next year to but the dividends from this could build a team that's in the top 4 for 5 or 6 years.

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#139 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 04:08PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

People have it in their heads that just because something can happen, it's not only possible, but likely. That's why people buy lottery tickets, and it's the only reason why I touch Sport Select.

The whole prospect thing (and their expectations) always irks me. Check back to the mock line-ups people were drawing up 5 years ago.

Stoll Torres Brewer Schremp MAP Trukno Miknov Goulet

Were supposed to lead us to the promis land.

Each draft year theirs roughly 20 - 30 guys that have an NHL career of 300-400 games or better, half of those 20 - 30 are are picked in the first round.

In other words for every 25 guys drafted in the 2nd round or lately, typically one has a career. How many "stars" would you say their is league wide? 50? 60? And were are supposed to have 4 waiting in the weeds?

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December 29 2009, 04:11PM
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Cleetis wrote:

Hey RC, or anyone who listened,

What were the coles notes of that caonversation? I didn't get a chance to listen, but did anything enlightening come out of it?

Horcoff was a great interview...he understands about the situation with the best player and goalie being out but mentioned how a players career is short and how they always want to win and try to get in the playoffs. He praised the fans of Edmonton for being knowledgable and said Rexall is the best place to play during the playoffs...he understands why the fans are down on the team right now and him in general but talked about how this is one of the great things about the fans here. That they are passionate and know the game. He understands the frustration and mentioned that the passion of the fans during the bad times is equally passionate in a good way during the good times and that's why it's a great place to play....

He was definitely classy all the way and I'm one who believes he should be our 3rd line center

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#141 swany
December 29 2009, 04:13PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The whole prospect thing (and their expectations) always irks me. Check back to the mock line-ups people were drawing up 5 years ago.

Stoll Torres Brewer Schremp MAP Trukno Miknov Goulet

Were supposed to lead us to the promis land.

Each draft year theirs roughly 20 - 30 guys that have an NHL career of 300-400 games or better, half of those 20 - 30 are are picked in the first round.

In other words for every 25 guys drafted in the 2nd round or lately, typically one has a career. How many "stars" would you say their is league wide? 50? 60? And were are supposed to have 4 waiting in the weeds?

You are right but this year we are talking about the 1st or second pick overall, people are comparing Hall with Stamkos I would take that right now. MPS is already playing pro Eberle is the best talent in the WJHC and adding Hall to to this mix looks good.

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#142 RossCreekNation
December 29 2009, 04:16PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

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#143 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 04:16PM
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swany wrote:

You are right but this year we are talking about the 1st or second pick overall, people are comparing Hall with Stamkos I would take that right now. MPS is already playing pro Eberle is the best talent in the WJHC and adding Hall to to this mix looks good.

I agree, I'm pumped about our prospect pool (especially if Hall is added). People need to temper their expectations a little though.

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#144 Chris.
December 29 2009, 04:18PM
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Why do I keep hearing about Linus Omark? Do the fans of this organization really need to pin their hopes on an extremely small, one dimensional, "EuroShremp" that's scoring at a mere 0.7 ppg pace in the KHL? Do you really expect him to arrive in Edmonton and put up more than 40 points without being a total defensive liability? Isn't this the same Linus that is refusing to learn the North American game in the AHL? ~Yeah. He's someone I've got slotted in my top six moving forward.~

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December 29 2009, 04:20PM
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The Menace wrote:

I also read Tencer's report about Comrie's "twirl". Umm, I'm not sure what's going on with MC anymore. a twirl? Sounds a bit faniciful to me. I wonder if he put on his Oilers' "silks" before taking his "twirl"? Maybe that was just Dan's influence poking through.

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He should be tickling the twine in no time.

Hahaha.

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December 29 2009, 04:22PM
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Chris. wrote:

Why do I keep hearing about Linus Omark? Do the fans of this organization really need to pin their hopes on an extremely small, one dimensional, "EuroShremp" that's scoring at a mere 0.7 ppg pace in the KHL? Do you really expect him to arrive in Edmonton and put up more than 40 points without being a total defensive liability? Isn't this the same Linus that is refusing to learn the North American game in the AHL? ~Yeah. He's someone I've got slotted in my top six moving forward.~

Ha-ha. That's the funniest one in my mind, yet lots of people talk about "clearing vets" to make room for him.

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December 29 2009, 04:23PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The whole prospect thing (and their expectations) always irks me. Check back to the mock line-ups people were drawing up 5 years ago.

Stoll Torres Brewer Schremp MAP Trukno Miknov Goulet

Were supposed to lead us to the promis land.

Each draft year theirs roughly 20 - 30 guys that have an NHL career of 300-400 games or better, half of those 20 - 30 are are picked in the first round.

In other words for every 25 guys drafted in the 2nd round or lately, typically one has a career. How many "stars" would you say their is league wide? 50? 60? And were are supposed to have 4 waiting in the weeds?

I'm not and I don't think most are saying it's likely, where does it say that. OOB talks like he knows already that it won't happen.

Why can't we have 4 waiting in the weeds? Who is to say it can't happen and yes Hemsky has been this teams best player and only star for quite a few years now despite OOB's way of deciding he's not a star.

Is it not possible for Eberle, MPS and Taylor Hall to become stars?

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#148 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 29 2009, 04:25PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I agree, I'm pumped about our prospect pool (especially if Hall is added). People need to temper their expectations a little though.

Go sell your rationality somewhere else. You're talking to perennial cup hopefuls here.

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#149 RossCreekNation
December 29 2009, 04:26PM
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Perhaps Omark has some value in a trade. They could use him to 'top up' a deal. I don't imagine his value would be all that high, but who knows.

I'd see if Detroit was interested in him. If so, I'd keep him. If not, see ya Linus.

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#150 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 29 2009, 04:29PM
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crash wrote:

I'm not and I don't think most are saying it's likely, where does it say that. OOB talks like he knows already that it won't happen.

Why can't we have 4 waiting in the weeds? Who is to say it can't happen and yes Hemsky has been this teams best player and only star for quite a few years now despite OOB's way of deciding he's not a star.

Is it not possible for Eberle, MPS and Taylor Hall to become stars?

I know every year their are dozens of hyped prospects that fail.

I know that some years the draft class will yield better results then others, but over a 3-4 year period the results always come back to average.

Anything is possible, I'll side with the most likely outcome vs the least likely outcome.

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