Oilers vs. Leafs Postgame: Slump Busted

Jonathan Willis
December 30 2009 11:10PM

Edmonton Oilers: 3

Toronto Maple Leafs: 1

After a slump so bad that even incurable optimist Robin Brownlee found relief in the dive for five, the Oilers have won a game. Over a bad team, yes, but at least it was an earned win.

Oilers Three Stars, According To Me

1. Patrick O'Sullivan. Perhaps the unlikeliest hero on the roster, O'Sullivan scored two goals: one a flukey bounce off a defenceman's skate, the other a beautiful play in tight on a partial breakaway. He'd been having a poor night up until he drew a slash from Jeff Finger, which gave the Oilers the first power play (and O'Sullivan his first goal); after that he got increasingly good.

2. Gilbert Brule. A fine game for Brule, who along with Shawn Horcoff was on the ice for every Oilers goal. Brule's goal started the scoring and snapped a drought of his own (he's been cold offensively for as long as the team's been losing), and even though it was deflected it was a good shot to take.

3. Shawn Horcoff. Played a very nice game along with Brule and both he and O'Sullivan have looked better since they were split up. Moved the puck well on the power play.

Random Thoughts

Watching Pat Quinn roll lines has a certain rhythm to it, like waves gently rolling in on shore.  I decided to keep track of how he sent out his forward lines, and record it for the benefit of all.  The latter two periods were interrupted by penalties, but the first period had a soothing flow: 3,2,1,4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1,4,3,2,1.

I also noted down whether each shift was won or lost territory-wise, and it gave a surprisingly accurate feel for the game's momentum.  I've mentioned previously that I think 'momentum' is an overused word, but there's a reason it's become such a cliche: because there is some value to it.  In this case, every time a line does well, the next line goes out in the offensive zone, giving them a better crack at doing well, or when a line does poorly the next line starts in their own end, making it less likely that they'll have a successful shift.  The third period is a fine example: the Oilers carried the play early, and Nilsson drew a penalty; the Oilers scored on the ensuing power play.  After that they seemed to sit back, drawing even or losing shift after shift until first Grabovski hit a post and then finally Kessel scored on a Leafs power play.

Production values on the pay-per-view could be a little higher.  On the Leafs' lineup card, Kassel was listed as a first line forward and Kaberie was on the top defence pairing.  Than Dan Tencer came on to say something about being patient because the big picture was about eventually being a Stanley Cup contender (aside: no playoffs in three years and looking at a fourth is plenty of patience, Dan) but two-thirds of his segment was drowned out because the audio feed from the arena was blaring over top of it.

I'd be curious to know if Tencer was a little miffed by Rob Brown; right after his discussion on patience, Brown pointed to Toronto's record with and without Kessel as evidence that a single dramatic move can vastly improve a hockey team.

Gene Principe's absolutely brilliant.  I should really hate him, given his job, but he's just way too fun to listen to.  He had some good news in his little interview segments tonight, too - Pisani's been feeling good for two to three weeks and just needs to get his strength back, and both he and Comrie are skating regularly.

One small negative note: I'm not at all sure what the fourth line (Moreau, Cogliano, Stortini) was doing on the ice with around two minutes left.  They got badly hemmed in their own zone and it was only good luck that kept Toronto from drawing within one goal with a minute and a half left.  Compounding matters was Moreau cross-checking a Leafs' forward after the whistle; I probably would have blacked out with rage had the referee called it (and it was blatant enough that he easily could have).

One other note, which I suppose is both positive and negative - Toronto managed 66 shots on net at even-strength, although only 23 of those got through to Jeff Deslauriers.  Here are the shots on net totals for the Oilers' defencemen tonight:

  • Smid: 14
  • Gilbert: 15
  • Souray: 16
  • Visnovsky: 17
  • Staios: 33
  • Grebeshkov: 37

The first four names on that list were all on for between two and six more shots by the Oilers than the Leafs.  Grebeshkov and Staios were a combined minus-60 in terms of shots on net for and against.  The first two pairings were quite good, but they weren't quite as good as Grebeshkov/Staios were bad.  I was a little hard on Strudwick the other night, but Grebeshkov hasn't had a very good season and he ought to be just fine as a third-pairing guy.  Perhaps he's still suffering from injury.

I noticed that J-F Jacques is wearing a set of those new Farrell shoulder pads.  Apparently Dustin Penner wears them too.  I'm sold on the idea that those compression blocks are highly effective, but I have friends who figure they'll just be blocky and won't be any easier to move in than a standard set of shoulder pads.  If anyone here has used them I'd love to hear a review; they're fairly pricey and I don't really need new shoulder pads so I've been hesitant to spend the money.

It was nice to watch a win, although now that I've seen one I feel just the tiniest bit of regret that the Oilers are now within one of the Maple Leafs for 28th in the NHL.  I hate feeling conflicted about whether the team should win or lose; I suppose the best course of action is to just be happy for whatever comes, for whichever reason.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 esa tikkanen
December 30 2009, 11:25PM
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over on Lowetide a post was made on an interview with Don Maloney about why phoenix is doing so well. He answered that he thought three low key free agent signings of Vern Fiddler, Taylor Pyatt and Aucoin for a total of under $4 million were the reason. he thought their veteran presence would help the high draft choices be able to develop and be around good veteran players.

Fiddler is 55% in faceoffs.

So who was it a few months ago who thought if the Oil signed a good third line center and a good defensive dman that they couldn't move up the roster? With those three players, Hemmer and Habi I think the Oil would be in the playoff mix.

This team does need to be blown up though because it does not have the roster spots or cap space to make even small moves such as those.

too bad because if Tambo had just let Cole's contract expire he could have signed those same three players and the Oil might have escaped this awful season.

now that Hemmer is injured, though, the drive for Hall or Seguin is all on. I just hope in the offseason Tambo is smart enough to make some minor moves like that to help the young players develop with quality veterans on reasonable contracts.

Note that Fiddler is 29, and Pyatt I think only 26.

One last note...Phoenix sent Kyle Turris to the AHL early this year to furhter develop his game and his confidence...I wonder how Turris vs Gagner will look in three more years, the totally different way the two have been developed.

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#2 bigrroberto
December 30 2009, 11:26PM
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It tears at a guys heart at a time like this. A win is awesome, because you always want to see your team win, but at the same time you know a loss is better in the long run...

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#3 Muji 狗
December 30 2009, 11:28PM
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"I hate feeling conflicted about whether the team should win or lose"
Me too. There's a sick satisfaction in watching this team fail horribly, drawing us closer to the first overall pick. When they win, it's like, "oh, that's nice. Good to see -insert-player-name have a nice game.... so we're still second last right?"

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#4 Original Ogden Brother
December 30 2009, 11:57PM
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Decent game tongight, though I'd say it's as much (or more) a function of playing an equally crappy team with arguably the worst goaltender in the NHL.

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#5 Colin
December 31 2009, 12:00AM
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There's no conflict here. Losing is a necessity at this point. Every point the Oilers earn is a set back in the lottery race.

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#6 Original Ogden Brother
December 31 2009, 12:01AM
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"over on Lowetide a post was made on an interview with Don Maloney about why phoenix is doing so well. He answered that he thought three low key free agent signings of Vern Fiddler, Taylor Pyatt and Aucoin for a total of under $4 million were the reason. he thought their veteran presence would help the high draft choices be able to develop and be around good veteran players."

The team could have easily signed them (or others just like them).

Skip Comrie and you've got 2 of them. Go with Rollie or Biron over Bulin or waive Nilsson or Trade O'sully or Grebs for picks and you've got 1-2 more.

Tambillini gets no free pass, he is the reason the team is in 15th.

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#7 Ender
December 31 2009, 12:04AM
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I'm not conflicted as long as we're not playing the Flames. Those games we have to win. Other than that, every win is a step farther away from Hall.

I know that some argue that losing tragically and being last in the league is something Edmonton's [already shakey] reputation among free-agents can't take. Know what? It doesn't matter if the ugliest girl in the bar has bad breath on top of it. If someone is willing to talk to her, the smell likely isn't going to be a deal-breaker. This is already as bad as it gets. Hall might not be the saviour some are hoping, but he sure as heck can't hurt.

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#8 jeanshorts
December 31 2009, 12:05AM
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I can see why a lot of people are still hesitant about the DFF. It's definitely way more fun to be in the building when the team is winning.

With that said, I hope the Oilers lose every game for the rest of the season. But it's nice to get a win every now and then.

Also, I've never really felt the Oilers needed a new barn too badly before tonight. But my god. The concourse was so cramped, the seats are tiny, the sound system sucks. The only great thing, aside from, you know, all the history or whatever, is that there is not a bad seat in the building. I've sat in more or less every corner of that place and I've never had a bad seat.

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#9 Original Ogden Brother
December 31 2009, 12:09AM
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Dream team for next year:

Penner/Hall/Sharp Hemsky/Horcoff/Gagner Nystrom/Brule/Simmonds JFJ/Potulny/Stortini

(or Penner/Horc/Sharp if they wanted to go power vs power)

Smid/Vish Mitchell/Gilbert Randy Jones/Chorney Strudwick

Halak if possible but likely Bulin JDD

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#10 crash
December 31 2009, 12:18AM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

Dream team for next year:

Penner/Hall/Sharp Hemsky/Horcoff/Gagner Nystrom/Brule/Simmonds JFJ/Potulny/Stortini

(or Penner/Horc/Sharp if they wanted to go power vs power)

Smid/Vish Mitchell/Gilbert Randy Jones/Chorney Strudwick

Halak if possible but likely Bulin JDD

Where's Eberle and/or Svensson?

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#11 RossCreekNation
December 31 2009, 12:40AM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

Dream team for next year:

Penner/Hall/Sharp Hemsky/Horcoff/Gagner Nystrom/Brule/Simmonds JFJ/Potulny/Stortini

(or Penner/Horc/Sharp if they wanted to go power vs power)

Smid/Vish Mitchell/Gilbert Randy Jones/Chorney Strudwick

Halak if possible but likely Bulin JDD

Ah sorry pal, Nystrom is just fine being my "hero" for the Flames. Love him! (not to be confused with thinking he's overly good or special - he's good in his role)

FlamesNation postgame ;-)

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#12 Ogden Brother
December 31 2009, 12:45AM
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Where's Eberle and/or Svensson?

On the farm where they belong.

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#13 Ogden Brother
December 31 2009, 12:48AM
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@ RC

Bourque would be my first pick in that spot, but plucking Nystrom is probably more realistic ;)

Theirs probably a half dozen other wingers that could fill Nystroms (or Simmonds) spot. The name isn't important. The type of player is.

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#14 crash
December 31 2009, 12:55AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Where's Eberle and/or Svensson?

On the farm where they belong.

You're hilarious, ok so it's ok to have Hall with the big team at age 18 right after being drafted but Eberle who has been touted arguably as the best player in the CHL belongs on the farm?

You're a freaking genius!!

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#15 crash
December 31 2009, 12:59AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Where's Eberle and/or Svensson?

On the farm where they belong.

And your dream team still has Horcoff as a 1st or 2nd line center, LOL....hardly a dream team

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#16 mowgli
December 31 2009, 01:07AM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

Dream team for next year:

Penner/Hall/Sharp Hemsky/Horcoff/Gagner Nystrom/Brule/Simmonds JFJ/Potulny/Stortini

(or Penner/Horc/Sharp if they wanted to go power vs power)

Smid/Vish Mitchell/Gilbert Randy Jones/Chorney Strudwick

Halak if possible but likely Bulin JDD

What kind of dream is that?

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#17 Reagan
December 31 2009, 07:14AM
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I was hoping for 10 or 12 straight losses to secure the draft position. It is however nice to rub all the leafs fans for losing the to the lonely Oilers...

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#18 Robin Brownlee
December 31 2009, 07:45AM
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@Reagan

Or the lowly Oilers . . .

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#19 Bucknuck
December 31 2009, 08:32AM
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Original Ogden Brother wrote:

"over on Lowetide a post was made on an interview with Don Maloney about why phoenix is doing so well. He answered that he thought three low key free agent signings of Vern Fiddler, Taylor Pyatt and Aucoin for a total of under $4 million were the reason. he thought their veteran presence would help the high draft choices be able to develop and be around good veteran players."

The team could have easily signed them (or others just like them).

Skip Comrie and you've got 2 of them. Go with Rollie or Biron over Bulin or waive Nilsson or Trade O'sully or Grebs for picks and you've got 1-2 more.

Tambillini gets no free pass, he is the reason the team is in 15th.

I agree.

I think trading to get O'Sully was a good move ONLY if you moved a smallish winger in the offseason... and he didn't.

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#20 ekcut
December 31 2009, 08:34AM
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@crash

Eberle has proven exactly the same as Rob Schremp. He either makes the team outright in training camp (meaning, he leaves absolutely no doubt he is a top 6 forward), or he goes to the AHL to prove himself (by far most likely)

Svensson is even less likely to crack the Oilers next year as not only does he have to adjust to the NHL game, but he has to adjust to North American life as well.

Sure...both COULD make the squad next year, and nothing would make me happier to see them earn their way into the NHL, but sarcastically calling him a genius shines the spotlight on your lack of Gray Matter and your DB-ness

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#21 Ender
December 31 2009, 08:54AM
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ekcut wrote:

Eberle has proven exactly the same as Rob Schremp. He either makes the team outright in training camp (meaning, he leaves absolutely no doubt he is a top 6 forward), or he goes to the AHL to prove himself (by far most likely)

Svensson is even less likely to crack the Oilers next year as not only does he have to adjust to the NHL game, but he has to adjust to North American life as well.

Sure...both COULD make the squad next year, and nothing would make me happier to see them earn their way into the NHL, but sarcastically calling him a genius shines the spotlight on your lack of Gray Matter and your DB-ness

While I'm not going to pretend I agree with everything Crash says, in this case I think you're the one missing the point. Crash's argument isn't necessarily that Eberle and MPS should definitely make the squad. He's just questioning why Hall is on that team if Eberle is not. Why would Hall seemingly get a free pass?

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#22 Racki
December 31 2009, 09:03AM
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So who was it a few months ago who thought if the Oil signed a good third line center and a good defensive dman that they couldn't move up the roster?

My guess would be 99% of Oilers fans agreed with the idea of signing a Faceoff/PKer and a shutdown d-man. I've been tooting that horn for a while now too. Too bad our management crew are oblivious to the team's needs. An elite sniper would be awesome, but I still don't think that would make us a playoff team.

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#24 dragon
December 31 2009, 09:15AM
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JW: sorry, JDD should have been your first star.

Unless we watched 2 different game, this was a stolen one...

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#25 Shifty203
December 31 2009, 09:25AM
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crash wrote:

And your dream team still has Horcoff as a 1st or 2nd line center, LOL....hardly a dream team

Sorry to use some logic here, but hasn't everyone been complaining that the team is too small? How are two more small guys gonna help right now. I have to agree that the best place for those two guys, is to stay down, until management figures out what to do with the rest of the team. I know mps exactley small, but I don't think right now is the best time to bring in another young inexperienced player. They will be for where they are, until next season.

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#26 BUCK75
December 31 2009, 09:26AM
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jeanshorts wrote:

I can see why a lot of people are still hesitant about the DFF. It's definitely way more fun to be in the building when the team is winning.

With that said, I hope the Oilers lose every game for the rest of the season. But it's nice to get a win every now and then.

Also, I've never really felt the Oilers needed a new barn too badly before tonight. But my god. The concourse was so cramped, the seats are tiny, the sound system sucks. The only great thing, aside from, you know, all the history or whatever, is that there is not a bad seat in the building. I've sat in more or less every corner of that place and I've never had a bad seat.

It is a great place to watch a game - especially when they are winning & the fans are into it.

Everyone needs to chill out a bit though, beating the leafs is nothing to write home about & we will continue to be a streaky team. The last thing we need is everyones expectations getting built up after a 5 game winning streak only to see them lose the next 7 lol.

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#27 shifty203
December 31 2009, 09:28AM
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Shifty203 wrote:

Sorry to use some logic here, but hasn't everyone been complaining that the team is too small? How are two more small guys gonna help right now. I have to agree that the best place for those two guys, is to stay down, until management figures out what to do with the rest of the team. I know mps exactley small, but I don't think right now is the best time to bring in another young inexperienced player. They will be for where they are, until next season.

I know mps ISN'T exactley small, but I don't think right now is the best time to bring in another young inexperienced player. They will be FINE where they are, until next season.

Sorry, crappy iphone keyboard.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 09:41AM
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crash wrote:

You're hilarious, ok so it's ok to have Hall with the big team at age 18 right after being drafted but Eberle who has been touted arguably as the best player in the CHL belongs on the farm?

You're a freaking genius!!

99% of 1st overall picks (forwards) make the team the year they are drafted, the vast majority of those make an impact.

Their was speculation last year that Hall would have went before Tavares.

If we got Seguin, I'd keep him in the CHL for another year and have one of Eberble/MSP on the big squad.

I keep seeing the "deffinition of insanity" posted in refrence to managment, I think alot of fans need to look in the mirror regarding the same.

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#29 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 09:45AM
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Ender wrote:

While I'm not going to pretend I agree with everything Crash says, in this case I think you're the one missing the point. Crash's argument isn't necessarily that Eberle and MPS should definitely make the squad. He's just questioning why Hall is on that team if Eberle is not. Why would Hall seemingly get a free pass?

Because Hall is likely the next Tavares/Kane/Stamkos and can likely make the jump right away.

Like I said, if we pick 2/3/4/5 those would be the guys still playing jr while one of MSP/Eberle makes the big squad.

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#30 Dan the Man
December 31 2009, 09:47AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Penner not only wears Farrell pads, he's part owner of the company. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Nstoio2_o

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#31 ekcut
December 31 2009, 09:51AM
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Ender wrote:

While I'm not going to pretend I agree with everything Crash says, in this case I think you're the one missing the point. Crash's argument isn't necessarily that Eberle and MPS should definitely make the squad. He's just questioning why Hall is on that team if Eberle is not. Why would Hall seemingly get a free pass?

You are right...Hall should not get an automatic free pass just because he is a #1 overall pick. I was more directing at his troll behaviour then his logic.

But generally #1 overalls do make the jump to the NHL.

2009-John Tavares (Played in NHL) 2008-Steven Stamkos (Played in NHL) 2007-Patrick Kane (Played in NHL) 2006-Erik Johnson (Played 1 more year in NCAA) 2005-Sidney Crosby (Played in NHL) 2004-Alex Ovechkin (Did not play due to lockout) 2003-Marc-Andre Fleury (Played in NHL part time) 2002-Rick Nash (Played in NHL) 2001-Ilya Kovalchuk (Played in NHL) 2000-Rick DiPietro (Played in NHL part time)

Of the last 10 1st overalls, only Erik Johnson didn't play in the NHL the year after being drafted. (Ok...Ovechkin didn't either, but he would of had there not been the lockout)

So to assume that Hall will be playing in the NHL next season isn't a stretch, and IMHO is more likely then Eberle to be in the NHL. Is that black and white writen in stone? Not even close, and as such, sarcasm and name calling at someone who makes a suggestion that one or the other will happen, is unfounded and is nothing but trolling.

There can be no winner in the "Hall/Eberle...who will play in the NHL first?" debate, but there is a clear winner in the "Is Crash is being a DB?!" debate...

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#32 Chris.
December 31 2009, 09:51AM
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It's hard not to like, or cheer for Deslaurier. This young guy minds his net without pretension or phoney showmanship. Deslaurier is never guilty of holding a frozen pose for a three count after every friggen save like so many other goalies I don't need to mention. When JDD leaves, or enters the ice between periods; he doesn't insist on being first, or last; he just skates over and leaves the ice randomly mixed in with the rest of his teammates... A guy like that can wear big showey orange pads and not come off looking like a prick because whether you see him in practice, in an interview, or playing a game; this kid comes off as being a class act all the way.

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#33 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 09:54AM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I agree.

I think trading to get O'Sully was a good move ONLY if you moved a smallish winger in the offseason... and he didn't.

And then compounded the problem by adding Comrie.

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#34 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 09:59AM
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crash wrote:

And your dream team still has Horcoff as a 1st or 2nd line center, LOL....hardly a dream team

It was a (somewhat) realistic dream.

1. I highly doubt Horc gets traded

2. Horc is one of the few guys that has proven he can effectively play with Hemsky

3. Unless another vetran center is X having

Hall/X/Brule/Potulny as your 4 centers is a reciepe for disaster.

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#35 Bar Qu
December 31 2009, 10:13AM
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Compounding matters was Moreau cross-checking a Leafs' forward after the whistle; I probably would have blacked out with rage had the referee called it

That was a great line.

And you should simply try to take each game as it comes, JW. I know you don't have the luxury of simply enjoying life rather than caring so deeply about this team (since you write here and elsewhere) but I am finding a tranquility in accepting each loss or win. Wins are good because I am a fan at the emotional level and losses are good because I am a fan also at a pragmatic level.

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#37 Chris.
December 31 2009, 10:17AM
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@crash

Oiler management has an unfortunate tendancy to rush our young players into NHL duty too soon. This is part of the reason why the Oilers have been so mediocre for so long, and the farm system has been such a mess. The AHL is a great place to learn how to be a pro. How many times has youth and inexperience been used as excuses for poor performance? Why? It's not necessary. Guys can grow, gain weight, and learn their craft in an extremely competative league without jeprodizing the outcome of yet another Oiler season. European prospects in particular need some time to adjust to a smaller ice surface, a higher level of physical play, a longer schedule, and perhaps most importantly; life in North America. The Oilers have spent too many years developing their young players outside the development league... I can't figure out why.

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#38 Jake The Snake
December 31 2009, 10:21AM
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How can Horcoff be a star, he looked bad out there, My 3rd star would have JFJ. When he plays like he did last night he's a force

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#39 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 10:25AM
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Chris. wrote:

Oiler management has an unfortunate tendancy to rush our young players into NHL duty too soon. This is part of the reason why the Oilers have been so mediocre for so long, and the farm system has been such a mess. The AHL is a great place to learn how to be a pro. How many times has youth and inexperience been used as excuses for poor performance? Why? It's not necessary. Guys can grow, gain weight, and learn their craft in an extremely competative league without jeprodizing the outcome of yet another Oiler season. European prospects in particular need some time to adjust to a smaller ice surface, a higher level of physical play, a longer schedule, and perhaps most importantly; life in North America. The Oilers have spent too many years developing their young players outside the development league... I can't figure out why.

Exactly, if we want the rebuild to last another 2-3 years, if we want another year where we "have the potential to be good" but more then likely end up bad, if we want another year where it's "ok to lose" because the team is so young. Then all of Eberle/MSP/whomever we get top 5 this year/Peckham/Chorney can all make the team next year.

However, if we want to be a legit playoff team we need to inject 3-4 players with big league experience that play a well developed game in all three zones.

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#40 MR P
December 31 2009, 10:53AM
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Hi guys, long time listener first time caller;

I personally do not want to see Eberle and MPS not play in the NHL next year. With all this talk blown player development over the past 5 or so years I have a sinking feeling that if we do rush them to the big show that their under-developed bodies wont be able to take the punishment.

Brule alluded to this in his interview on the PPV last nite, saying that maybe he wasnt ready for the big league at age 18 and that his early career injuries may have been related to his lack of physical development. He also said that those early injuries got into his head and seriously rattled his confidence, basically until this season.

I dunno but it seems like he was almost calling out columbus' player development, which seems eerily similar to our own.

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#41 misfit
December 31 2009, 11:05AM
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I watched the game online with the Sportsnet East crew, and the production value wasn't much better. I think the guy calling the game called just about every defenseman Gilbert at least once, and Grebeshkov and Visnovsky got it a few times (probably because their numbers both have 7s in them).

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#42 Crash
December 31 2009, 11:06AM
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You are right...Hall should not get an automatic free pass just because he is a #1 overall pick. I was more directing at his troll behaviour then his logic.

But generally #1 overalls do make the jump to the NHL.

2009-John Tavares (Played in NHL) 2008-Steven Stamkos (Played in NHL) 2007-Patrick Kane (Played in NHL) 2006-Erik Johnson (Played 1 more year in NCAA) 2005-Sidney Crosby (Played in NHL) 2004-Alex Ovechkin (Did not play due to lockout) 2003-Marc-Andre Fleury (Played in NHL part time) 2002-Rick Nash (Played in NHL) 2001-Ilya Kovalchuk (Played in NHL) 2000-Rick DiPietro (Played in NHL part time)

Of the last 10 1st overalls, only Erik Johnson didn't play in the NHL the year after being drafted. (Ok...Ovechkin didn't either, but he would of had there not been the lockout)

So to assume that Hall will be playing in the NHL next season isn't a stretch, and IMHO is more likely then Eberle to be in the NHL. Is that black and white writen in stone? Not even close, and as such, sarcasm and name calling at someone who makes a suggestion that one or the other will happen, is unfounded and is nothing but trolling.

There can be no winner in the "Hall/Eberle...who will play in the NHL first?" debate, but there is a clear winner in the "Is Crash is being a DB?!" debate...

Ogden always comes across as the one who speaks for all I've noticed on this site and speaks as though anyone's opinion that doesn't match his out to lunch. My reaction to him was in direct response to his comment to my question about where was Eberle and/or Svensson in his so called Dream team. He puts nothing constructive in his response just a quick witted one liner talking down to me like I'm an idiot for suggesting Eberle or Svensson could be on this team next year.

Ender is correct you did miss the point. I didn't say Eberle should definitely make the squad...

Where was Ogden's smart ass remark when Brownlee wrote in his most recent article that he'd have both Eberle and Svensson on the Oilers next year along with Chorney and Peckham? Which I am in agreement with. I guess Ogden just likes to pick his spots.

So my reaction to Ogden is not ok in your eyes but his smart ass one liner response to my suggestion is ok?....Also, I don't even know what a DB is. I'm a hockey fan with an opinion just like yours.

I find it funny that everyone wants the team to be blown up and a rebuild to happen but then wouldn't have guys like Eberle and Svensson on the team next year. Well ok, so if the team does get blown up like everyone wants then who plays? I would suggest a similar situation as Colorado. With having guys like Duchene, O'Reilly, Galiardi, Stewart around and having some of the established guys play the part of Wolski next year such as Gagner. This would mean Eberle and Svensson playing the parts of Duchence and O'Reilly.

I agree with Brownlee, Eberle and Svensson both play on this team next year and if we get Hall, he does too. Assuming Eberle playing in the NHL next year is no less a stretch than it is to have Hall playing in the NHL next year.

Ogden talks as if it's a given that Eberle and Svensson belong on the farm next year and he says it in a condescending manner which I didn't exactly appreciate. So my response was in kind...

I would like to know who made you judge and jury as to what is unfounded and what is trolling?

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#43 misfit
December 31 2009, 11:08AM
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How can Horcoff be a star, he looked bad out there, My 3rd star would have JFJ. When he plays like he did last night he's a force

I don't think you and I could possibly see the game of hockey any differently.

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#44 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 31 2009, 11:12AM
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Where the crap is Towelboy with the draft update? There'd better be a feature on how I've overtaken RossCreek and brought shame to his ancestors.

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#45 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 31 2009, 11:16AM
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Crash wrote:

Ogden always comes across as the one who speaks for all I've noticed on this site and speaks as though anyone's opinion that doesn't match his out to lunch. My reaction to him was in direct response to his comment to my question about where was Eberle and/or Svensson in his so called Dream team. He puts nothing constructive in his response just a quick witted one liner talking down to me like I'm an idiot for suggesting Eberle or Svensson could be on this team next year.

Ender is correct you did miss the point. I didn't say Eberle should definitely make the squad...

Where was Ogden's smart ass remark when Brownlee wrote in his most recent article that he'd have both Eberle and Svensson on the Oilers next year along with Chorney and Peckham? Which I am in agreement with. I guess Ogden just likes to pick his spots.

So my reaction to Ogden is not ok in your eyes but his smart ass one liner response to my suggestion is ok?....Also, I don't even know what a DB is. I'm a hockey fan with an opinion just like yours.

I find it funny that everyone wants the team to be blown up and a rebuild to happen but then wouldn't have guys like Eberle and Svensson on the team next year. Well ok, so if the team does get blown up like everyone wants then who plays? I would suggest a similar situation as Colorado. With having guys like Duchene, O'Reilly, Galiardi, Stewart around and having some of the established guys play the part of Wolski next year such as Gagner. This would mean Eberle and Svensson playing the parts of Duchence and O'Reilly.

I agree with Brownlee, Eberle and Svensson both play on this team next year and if we get Hall, he does too. Assuming Eberle playing in the NHL next year is no less a stretch than it is to have Hall playing in the NHL next year.

Ogden talks as if it's a given that Eberle and Svensson belong on the farm next year and he says it in a condescending manner which I didn't exactly appreciate. So my response was in kind...

I would like to know who made you judge and jury as to what is unfounded and what is trolling?

Like I said, if we want to rebuild for another 2-3 years. Lets inject another 3/4/5 guys with less then 100 games NHL experience.

If we want to compete next year lets add 4-5 competent, proven all-around NHL'ers and let the prospects develop in developmental leagues.

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#46 Reagan
December 31 2009, 11:19AM
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Yes Robin you were right. The mind wasn't exactly up yet when I posted that.

What sort of disappoints me today is the Team decision to run no local programming today... Oh well, Charles Adler here we go!

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#48 crash
December 31 2009, 11:22AM
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Chris. wrote:

Oiler management has an unfortunate tendancy to rush our young players into NHL duty too soon. This is part of the reason why the Oilers have been so mediocre for so long, and the farm system has been such a mess. The AHL is a great place to learn how to be a pro. How many times has youth and inexperience been used as excuses for poor performance? Why? It's not necessary. Guys can grow, gain weight, and learn their craft in an extremely competative league without jeprodizing the outcome of yet another Oiler season. European prospects in particular need some time to adjust to a smaller ice surface, a higher level of physical play, a longer schedule, and perhaps most importantly; life in North America. The Oilers have spent too many years developing their young players outside the development league... I can't figure out why.

Chris, how does Colorado look to you? They inserted much youth into their club this year...hasn't worked out too bad...why couldn't it work out too bad here?

Many people in the hockey world are saying that Eberle is NHL ready NOW.

I'm not against having him play in the minors but I happen to think he would help this team a lot more than a Potulny would.

Actually up until Gagner and Cogliano I don't believe the Oilers have ever rushed anyone into the NHL. But this is the new NHL under the salary cap world now...it is more economical to have younger cheaper players make your squad than it is to sign older players at more inflated salaries.

It's not just happening in Edmonton, it's happening everywhere...just look at all the 18 yr olds that are playing. 7 of the top 10 scoring rookies this year all played major Junior hockey last year. And look at Drew Doughty...he played last year in LA after being drafted and he's on the Olympic team this year.

If Eberle and/or Svensson are ready and IMO they are then IMO they play here next year.

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#49 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
December 31 2009, 11:26AM
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crash wrote:

Chris, how does Colorado look to you? They inserted much youth into their club this year...hasn't worked out too bad...why couldn't it work out too bad here?

Many people in the hockey world are saying that Eberle is NHL ready NOW.

I'm not against having him play in the minors but I happen to think he would help this team a lot more than a Potulny would.

Actually up until Gagner and Cogliano I don't believe the Oilers have ever rushed anyone into the NHL. But this is the new NHL under the salary cap world now...it is more economical to have younger cheaper players make your squad than it is to sign older players at more inflated salaries.

It's not just happening in Edmonton, it's happening everywhere...just look at all the 18 yr olds that are playing. 7 of the top 10 scoring rookies this year all played major Junior hockey last year. And look at Drew Doughty...he played last year in LA after being drafted and he's on the Olympic team this year.

If Eberle and/or Svensson are ready and IMO they are then IMO they play here next year.

You've got some good points here, but players like Doughty don't come along too often. People have Nick Lidstrom expectations for this kid.

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#50 crash
December 31 2009, 11:32AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

You've got some good points here, but players like Doughty don't come along too often. People have Nick Lidstrom expectations for this kid.

I understand that players like Doughty don't come along like they grow on trees but like I mentioned 7 of the top 10 scoring rookies this season played major junior last year...they have all graduated directly to the NHL without making a stop in the AHL...and this is becoming more of a trend in the entire league.

It's not just Doughty...we have John Tavares, Mat Duchene, Tyler Myers, Jamie Benn, Michael Del Zotto, Ryan O'Reilly, Evander Kane all playing this year amongst others.

Also I believe with the advent of the KHL European rookies are more likely to stay over seas than to agree to come over here and play in the AHL so you won't see as many Euros graduating to the NHL from farm teams as you used to

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