Are The Oilers Shopping Souray?

Jonathan Willis
December 06 2009 03:55PM

According to rumour-monger Bruce Garrioch, they are. In his latest column, he passes along the following bit of gossip:

The talk is the Edmonton Oilers are sniffing around to see what kind of interest there is in defenceman Sheldon Souray, who has a cap hit of $5.4 million for the next three seasons. There are whispers Souray, 32, was offered as part of a package in a four-player deal with an Eastern Conference team.

It’s hardly the first time that rumours of Souray leaving town have circulated among the media. Robin Brownlee was at the forefront of such talk this summer. It earned a place in Jim Matheson’s column, too.

I imagine that if Tambellini is shopping Souray, and if he believes what he’s said publicly, it will be in exchange for a difference maker at forward. If he doesn’t really believe what he’s been saying about this team, it will be in exchange for futures and whatever salary he needs to take back to make the deal work.

The question for us is which of the three options we’d prefer to see him take: not to trade Souray, to trade him for help now, or to trade him for help down the road.  Chalk me up for option three, but I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Harlie
December 06 2009, 03:59PM
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whis is this Souary?

p.s - I'd keep him. I like what he brings to the table toughness wise and leadership wise.

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#2 Jodes
December 06 2009, 04:02PM
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Hmm.. Just what exactly could we get for Souray? Will it be an up n comer or will we have a legitimate 1st line center?

Any rumours to which "East Coast" team?

Could it be for Horton possibly?

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#3 WizCo
December 06 2009, 04:02PM
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Smid, Visnovsky and Grebs are all looking much better than last season. With Hemmer out for the season, trading Souray for some attack would make sense... except I HATE when stuff like that makes sense because I get all emotionally invested in individual players, like Pronger, Gator, Smytty and Brewer and when they leave it kills me, sense or not. I'd prefer to hang on to Souray. The team has felt a lot more like it's on solid ground since he and Steady Stevie returned. Having a good D won't hurt when Hemsky and Eberle start lighting up the front end.

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#4 Skidplate
December 06 2009, 04:03PM
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Even though I want the team to win now, I would have to agree that we do not have the team to do it.

Sign me up for trade him for help down the road.

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#5 easymoney
December 06 2009, 04:10PM
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Hemsky lighting it up ? Been waiting along time for this myself .For what we pay hemmer its a good deal but he is not the guy to carry this team.

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#6 Corsby31
December 06 2009, 04:10PM
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keep him, he's tough, not a horrible cap hit, as good as leader as we have on this team, keeps the pp alive, hits, scores (a bit). Seems to me you better be getting a hell of a lot in return. And really, why bother?? Does trading for a guy like Horton make us a playoff team??? Not even close, this move would not make sense to me. Maybe at the deadline I would have a look, but not now!!

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#7 Traktor
December 06 2009, 04:16PM
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Bruce Garrioch's rumors are about as reliable as Sam Gagner in the shootout.

This team doesn't have Mike Richards, Dustin Brown or Milan Lucic but if we did have one of them on our roster then trading Souray would be as stupid as trading one of them. He basically embodies everything this club is looking for.

I cannot think of one available defender that brings all the same elements that Souray brings.

oh, and bringing in Bergeron to replace Souray's points and a Gator type to replace Souray's toughness still doesn't replace Souray.

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#8 bender
December 06 2009, 04:18PM
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I think the Oilers need to shift some of their payroll from the D corps, to the forwards, where they have too many cheap small young guys.Without knowing what is available for each in return, I would definitely move Gilbert instead of Souray. It looks like its going to be a young team for a while, so Sourays toughness and leadership would be good to have.

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#9 Ambassador humantorch
December 06 2009, 04:24PM
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If Tambellini trades Souray for "instant" help (i.e., an older proven scoring forward on a short contract) then he's a worse GM than even I took him for. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that this team doesn't have a hope in hell of winning anything in the next, oh, 3 years or so, and if Tambo trades Souray for anything that fits a short window of opportunity, then he's COMPLETELY out of touch with what kind of team he's working with.

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#10 Paq Twinn
December 06 2009, 04:32PM
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I've been on the tank it band wagon for a few weeks now. Trade him for futures. There's a few other guys I'd trade too. Check it out on oilersjambalaya.blogspot.com

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#11 Paq Twinn
December 06 2009, 04:34PM
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@Ambassador humantorch

Here,here, I'll second that.

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#12 oilcountry83
December 06 2009, 04:50PM
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I think they are shopping him, hopefully for prospects and picks. Question , if he is such a leader why did he not get hemskys "A" ? Just curious something does not fit?

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#13 Austin Ayala
December 06 2009, 05:09PM
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I think i heard this rumour earlier. Something about Staal and Ward for Souray, Cogliano and this year's first.

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#14 Rob
December 06 2009, 05:12PM
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Hold the phone here folks. Trade the only veteran physical force on your 'D' for what... a Kostitsyn maybe? Give me a break. Souray should be the captain of this team. That is of course if the management possessed either brains or balls. Give Souray the position he deserves and increase his sense of personal investment in this organization for him. Ethan Moreau was MacT's idea of a captain, not Quinn's and not mine as little as that means.

It's only my opinion but I think vets and rookies alike would listen when he spoke. He has credibility and you sure can't say that about Moreau. He doesn't even have the fans on his side from what I have read here.

I don't trust Tambo's instincts to make anything but a stupid trade. When he has acted he has shown poor judgement. O'Sullivan? Buckshy marksman and Khabby of the 1st year new contract disappearing act? Oh yeah it's his back...ouch mine too.

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#15 Chamucks Deluxe
December 06 2009, 05:28PM
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Remember when Ottawa kept the smaller, skill over power Wade Redden vs. the more physical leader with a rocket shot in Zdeno Chara?

Is this a similar case here with Visnovsky-Souray?

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#16 Craig
December 06 2009, 05:30PM
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oilcountry83 wrote:

I think they are shopping him, hopefully for prospects and picks. Question , if he is such a leader why did he not get hemskys "A" ? Just curious something does not fit?

Because it wouldn't fit next to the one he already has on his jersey?

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#17 EricOG
December 06 2009, 05:34PM
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And right on cue, here comes a patch move. Why in the world would you trade a player like Souray? He's a leader. When he went down, everything went belly up. There's a lot of other moves that can be done.

For example, all the replicas on the team. Ask your self, why is there only one center on a basketball team? Because he needs space. Same thing here, since they are replicas, they think alike and move in just about the same pattern no matter what they practice. It's built into their mentallity. They do have too many offensive D-men, but Souray brings a physical element that the others do not bring.

They better no trade Souray

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#18 Morgan
December 06 2009, 05:52PM
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Ambassador humantorch wrote:

If Tambellini trades Souray for "instant" help (i.e., an older proven scoring forward on a short contract) then he's a worse GM than even I took him for. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that this team doesn't have a hope in hell of winning anything in the next, oh, 3 years or so, and if Tambo trades Souray for anything that fits a short window of opportunity, then he's COMPLETELY out of touch with what kind of team he's working with.

Could not agree more.The team needs to move older players now (if possible) for younger players or draft picks.Unless people want to watch the team battle for the last playoff spot year after year it is time for a influx of youth and rebuild properly.We have good talent coming up.lets build a cup contender around the kids.So I'm option three for sure.One final thought,Souray does have a no trade clause.

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#20 MrOiler
December 06 2009, 06:49PM
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You would have to get some kind of return on Souray before I would even consider it.

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#21 Senator Theo
December 06 2009, 07:02PM
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MrOiler wrote:

You would have to get some kind of return on Souray before I would even consider it.

getting some kind of return is really the basic building block of any trade. ;)

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#22 Senator Theo
December 06 2009, 07:05PM
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I think if we could get some decent picks or prospects that will help us down the road, I'd be for it.

That doesn't mean I would be thrilled about it, but we have to be realistic; we're not doing anything with him here, and we need more pieces to be successful.

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#23 Chamucks Deluxe
December 06 2009, 07:20PM
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@Jonathan Willis

At the time Redden was an All-star, and lead the NHL in +/-. I have no doubts at all about Visnovsky's ability, and no doubt that Chara is better than Souray.

It's just that they're both getting up there in years, and who would you get the most out of in the long haul?

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#24 dragon
December 06 2009, 07:24PM
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pls don't tell me he's being traded for another start 'to play with Hemmer' 'cause I'm gonna start crying.

With Eberle, MPS, Cornet, Omark...we might not need help up-front.

Is Souray gets traded should be for cap space and prospects.

Could the leadership situation be a factor?

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#25 dragon
December 06 2009, 07:25PM
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...star...I meant star to play with Hemmer...

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#26 Hockey in Palm Springs
December 06 2009, 07:33PM
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Come on, why would we trade a heart and soul guy? When he is healthy, he is as intimidating as they come. All we read is about our small line up. I like Ethan, but, his time is past for this team and this should be Sheldon,s team!

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#27 Jodes
December 06 2009, 08:12PM
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Umm Jon, who's Souary?

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#28 Dan the Man
December 06 2009, 08:26PM
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I thought Souray wanted to stay in the west due to his kids being in L.A.?

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#29 Horcsky
December 06 2009, 08:29PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

No. Visnovsky's a far better defenceman than Redden.

I'm not thrilled about the idea of moving Souray, but I can see how it could make sense for a rebuilding club.

Also, Visnovsky is a better d-man than Souray. If you have to move one of the two, move Souray. No doubt that Souray brings a lot of the elements of toughness and grit that the team lacks, but Visnovsky might be the most gifted all around player we've had here in awhile.

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#30 MattL
December 06 2009, 08:39PM
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Yeah, unless you're getting a top ten centre, as well as a really tough d-man in return, I don't think you even consider it. Souray is what the oilers need right now, even if he's been a little rusty since he came back.

Also, if they do get an elite forward, he'd better be young.

Hopefully Garrioch meant Staois, not Souray. Or Souary. Or the board game Sorry.

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#31 dragon
December 06 2009, 08:51PM
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Oh, I know: Hedman and Vinnie for Souray, Nils and picks....

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#32 Ogden Brother
December 06 2009, 09:01PM
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Depends what's coming back obviously. But I'd be happy to trade him for a blue chip prospect and then use the $$ to sign a banger that can actually play D this summer.

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#33 BarryS
December 06 2009, 09:11PM
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While I am generally not in favour of trading him at this time, I will reserve judgement until I see what player or players coming back. I don't think we get a high draft choice only, most teams will want us to take back an equal number of dollars as well.

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#34 Hemmertime
December 06 2009, 09:26PM
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Ambassador humantorch wrote:

If Tambellini trades Souray for "instant" help (i.e., an older proven scoring forward on a short contract) then he's a worse GM than even I took him for. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that this team doesn't have a hope in hell of winning anything in the next, oh, 3 years or so, and if Tambo trades Souray for anything that fits a short window of opportunity, then he's COMPLETELY out of touch with what kind of team he's working with.

Id trade Souray in a heartbeat for a proven 30 goal scorer. Or to fill one of our holes with a solid player signed through at least next year. We have Visnovsky as our #1 D already. He took the position we had signed Souray for. Then Grebs + Gilbert are good offensive D men, so Souray is a mean streak and a slap shot. Well, we basically eliminated his meanness by limiting him from fighting after his injury and his shot doesnt justify over 5 mil for 15 goals.

Getting rid of Souray for anything more than a second round pick will make me happy.

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#35 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 06 2009, 09:53PM
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Hockey in Palm Springs wrote:

Come on, why would we trade a heart and soul guy? When he is healthy, he is as intimidating as they come. All we read is about our small line up. I like Ethan, but, his time is past for this team and this should be Sheldon,s team!

depends how you look at it.

Are the Oilers going to be a contender before Sourays deal runs out? no probably not.

So, you have a player who is reaching the age where the majority of players start to decline in production. Add in some injury concerns, and now might be the time sourays value is at its highest.

that said, unless souray asks to be traded, i try and trade one of gilbert, grebs or visnovsky first.

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#36 RossCreekNation
December 06 2009, 09:54PM
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If they move Souray, they need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix.

On 2nd thought...

FIXED... They need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix.

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#38 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
December 06 2009, 10:11PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

If they move Souray, they need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix.

On 2nd thought...

FIXED... They need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix.

wait, are you saying they need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix?

if so, i would agree that they need to add a Barrett Jackman type to the mix. Adding a Barrett Jackman type to the mix would be a great move by the Oilers

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#39 druds
December 06 2009, 11:14PM
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you know its starting to get hilarious to read the crap on here...Souray has always been a defensive liability and injury prone...with a good hard shot. He has been exactly that while here...and yet mention moving the guy who has not been that much of a difference maker at all and you would think he was the second coming of Orr. If we can get something for him then dump him...in a rebuilding team his salary is a luxury we do not need and as for leadership I have my doubts that he brings much to the table.

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#40 Josh
December 06 2009, 11:25PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

It would be hard to see shelly go I love him as an oiler, but I totally agree that in a year or two from now shelly wont be worth as much, it sucks to say but its true, I think Lubo can play at a higher level for longer. But ya with the crop of young d that we have coming in I would way rather see greb or gibby than shelly go

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#41 Josh
December 06 2009, 11:27PM
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@druds

the guy is a leader you must have the sight of stevie wonder not to see that. grow up

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#42 Bucknuck
December 07 2009, 12:08AM
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Souray is an injury waiting to happen. I think he is GREAT when he is playing, but I think if you can get someone who is less injury prone you may be ahead of the game.

If you trade, then it better be for the future, and that player better be bigger than 6 foot 2.

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#43 Big Dave Semenko
December 07 2009, 12:52AM
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Sending: Sheldon Souray Andrew Cogliano 2nd rounder 2010

Receiving: Jordan Staal Eric Tangradi 4th rounder 2010

I do not want to see Souray go, or Cogliano for that matter, but I think this deal would make sense, in a deluted, rum induced way. Staal deserves, but will never be, a top two center in Pittsburgh, Souray would prefer a move to the west coast, but a defending Cup champion and contender might be enough to make him waive his NMC.

Besides, who would you rather have on the top line in October 2010, Horcoff or Staal?

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#44 hamzinoilcntry
December 07 2009, 07:36AM
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This is a big big mistake. Souray nad Penner are the only two players on this team at the moment that seem to care about what is happening on the ice. If we trade Souray it will be another black eye on this franchise for moving it's leadership players. Somebody better tell Shelly that he can pull a Dirty Danny and not move his NTC.

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#45 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 07 2009, 08:28AM
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Fact is Garrioch is another Eklund so you can't to excited with what he has said. Go back and read his last 20 sunday sun articles and you will see he is about as accurate as Eklund.

Other thing that I have to question is didn't Souray say he would go to a California team if it was possible so that he could be closer to his family? Would he really move further away?

As for moving Souray. I am for moving Souary and Lubo for that matter. I think they would have great returns and the fact is both have had serious injury problems and are injury prone. By the time this team is ready to be a contender I don't know that either guy will be as good as they are right now.

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#46 Ogden Brother
December 07 2009, 08:38AM
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Big Dave Semenko wrote:

Sending: Sheldon Souray Andrew Cogliano 2nd rounder 2010

Receiving: Jordan Staal Eric Tangradi 4th rounder 2010

I do not want to see Souray go, or Cogliano for that matter, but I think this deal would make sense, in a deluted, rum induced way. Staal deserves, but will never be, a top two center in Pittsburgh, Souray would prefer a move to the west coast, but a defending Cup champion and contender might be enough to make him waive his NMC.

Besides, who would you rather have on the top line in October 2010, Horcoff or Staal?

Not bad actually. Souray would be a great addition to Pits back end for the next couple of years and Cogs would give the Pens a quality winger for one of their superstar centers.

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#47 Heatly
December 07 2009, 08:55AM
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Like many have said, it depends who we get in return. Let's face it, we are not a Stanley Cup team....maybe we should trade and invest in future.

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#48 Chris.
December 07 2009, 10:15AM
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I'm on the fence.

On one hand, trading for the future makes sence when you consider the team is still in 14th place (25th overall) despite comming off two consecutive road wins.

On the other hand, it is important to keep the right sort of vetran players around to serve as critical role models for the guys coming up... Who is a better role model than Souray?

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#49 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
December 07 2009, 10:24AM
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@Chris.

What have those role models done so far though? Also someone one the Team 1260 was talking about how Penner is perfect role model for the younger players. Shows exactly what happens when you put the effort in.

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#50 HansBaurMesserschmittWatson
December 07 2009, 10:31AM
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well now that there is a name source, few days after i broke the news about souray.

you will see souray in a tampa bay jersey soon, ok you wont.

it will be a 3-way trade edmonton-tampa-and i dont have no clues on the third team.

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