Tease, tease, tease

Robin Brownlee
February 01 2009 08:45PM

tease

There's no excuse for the half-hearted effort the Edmonton Oilers trotted out for a capacity crowd at Rexall Place in a 2-1 loss to the Nashville Predators, but if you're surprised, you're gullible.

Led by Dustin Penner, my choice as poster boy for a team that plays with the commitment it takes to be a legitimate contender only when it damn well feels like it, the Oilers delivered yet another pulse-less performance. Just when Joe Fan had reason to believe the Oilers might be building a head of steam after watching their team bounce back from a 10-2 sheet-soiler against Buffalo Tuesday with a workmanlike 3-1 decision over the Minnesota Wild Friday, their team phoned it in against the Predators, a team that rolled into town with a 9-15-2 road record.

No intensity. No drive. No commitment to detail. No sense of seizing the moment and heading for their Super Bowl party with a 7-2 roll in their last nine games on the go. Hell, 6-3 is good enough, isn't it? I mean, the Oilers, as of today, are in the playoffs. What could go possibly go wrong?

Have some chips. Beverage? Relax.

Haven't we seen this movie before?

NO JAM

Let coach Craig MacTavish tell it. "We didn't have enough jam from our role players," he began. "To be an NHL player, you've got to provide some consistency. "When you don't have stats to back up a stall in that dressing room, you better provide some jam. We didn't get enough of it early and it was our undoing." With Western Conference standings as tight as they are and just one game removed from the humiliation against the Sabres, how the could the Oilers possibly be as indifferent as they appeared against the Predators?

"We have to take the responsibility to take care of our own business," said MacTavish. "We haven't done that for a few years here. "When you get a game like that where you can drive a nail in, you get the game. You can always exhibit the urgency and the intensity. The one thing you want to show in a game like that, as we saw in the Minnesota game, is the intensity from everybody. "That's why guys fail to establish themselves as NHL players. They can't be counted on. They can't bring the consistency. It's a tease. It's every four or five games for a few guys. We need more consistent jam."

Let's let captain Ethan Moreau, who played his backside off and finished the game with nine shots, but got no sniff, take a whirl at explaining it. "We didn't have the urgency to score goals we needed and it was obvious," said Moreau. "It's really frustrating. I thought we'd respond better, but we didn't. It's not everybody. There were guys who worked really hard, but we didn't have enough. It wasn't enough. I'm not going to make excuses. That wasn't good enough. We need more through our line-up."

Lack of jam. Not enough intensity. An absence of commitment. Hmm, does that sound like a problem to you?

DOG DAYS

Leading the lethargy for the umpteenth time this season was Penner, who is playing himself back into the doghouse. With just two goals in his last 19 games, Penner pumped the pooch for a couple of periods before taking a ride on the pine for the second straight game. "From my perspective, it's a case of he's lost his game," said MacTavish, resisting the urge to carve Penner another orifice from which to poop as he did a couple months ago.

"It's more his play with the puck. When you have a guy like (Ales) Hemsky playing at the level he's at now, all you've got to do is get the puck to him somewhere between the hash marks in your own end and the red line and you’re going to get a chance. "Every time he touches the puck, he's creating a chance. He (Hemsky) is an elite player at the top of his game now and we've got to find somebody . . . We need somebody who can go in there and make some plays. I can't give him the ice time when we need performance so badly."

I can't imagine why GM Steve Tambellini wouldn't try to dump Penner before the trade deadline, but I can't think of any team foolish enough to take on his contract. One way or another, Tambellini has to find a way to get more production from his left side.

Penner's funk is far from Tambellini's only problem, even if it might be the most pressing.

But, hey, relax. Have some chips. Beverage?

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 smytty777
February 02 2009, 10:06AM
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@ Dennis Castro:

I didn't see a lot of urgency or commitment out there and it has been a consistent failing of the Oilers in too many games.

After the Hemsky goal I really thought the Oilers would turn it on and push for the tying goal, instead they sat around in the neutral zone waiting for something to happen, which shockingly never occurred.

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#52 Dana @ AgileStyle
February 02 2009, 10:08AM
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@ RobinB: Could always get Wanye to add 'Lowebellini' to the bad words filter

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#53 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
February 02 2009, 10:13AM
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The problems on this team starts at the top and work the way down.Do not blame Penner for signing that contract blame K lowe and the scouting staff for not doing there homework.Same goes with Horcoff these guys will take the big pay and laugh all the way to the bank.They should be giving k lowe a percentage and not there agent.This organization is going downhill fast, unless someone gets some balls and does some house cleaning this is what we will be watching untill they cant fill the seats anymore.I am giving them till mid summer if it is same old storey im giving my tickets up.

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#54 Fortboy
February 02 2009, 10:23AM
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RobinB wrote:

Sorry, but a pet peeve: Did this site become the Cult of Hockey when I wasn’t looking? There is nobody with the Oilers named “Lowebellini.”

Sorry Robin. Next time I'll add a TM next to it and put it in a blog and it should be alright. Works for Wanye.

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#55 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 10:42AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

The problems on this team starts at the top and work the way down.Do not blame Penner for signing that contract blame K lowe and the scouting staff for not doing there homework.Same goes with Horcoff these guys will take the big pay and laugh all the way to the bank.They should be giving k lowe a percentage and not there agent.This organization is going downhill fast, unless someone gets some balls and does some house cleaning this is what we will be watching untill they cant fill the seats anymore.I am giving them till mid summer if it is same old storey im giving my tickets up.

Yes - the oiler mind control is weakening - just think if 3 or 4 thousand gave their tickets up..... then accountability due to financial performance would be in play - no rexall 2 as no PERSONAL SEAT LICENSE equation as there would be no scarcity for ducats

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#56 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 10:46AM
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Fortboy wrote:

RobinB wrote: Sorry, but a pet peeve: Did this site become the Cult of Hockey when I wasn’t looking? There is nobody with the Oilers named “Lowebellini.” Sorry Robin. Next time I’ll add a TM next to it and put it in a blog and it should be alright. Works for Wanye.

is the lowebelli term used because Mr.Lowe has his hand up Mr. Tambellini doing the muppet puppet show.....lets call a spade a spade - all moves approved by lowe - tambo is Senior Executive Assistant Manager - Northern Hemisphere - named GM to get out of contract with Vancouver - this is KLOWE's team with all warts and pimples.

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#57 Smigorowski and the Super Bowl - OilersNation.com
February 02 2009, 10:51AM
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[...] that plenty of you have already made it over to the latest literary gem from our very own Robin Brownlee It seems that he is starting to warm up to this idea of “say whatever you want on the [...]

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#58 r59
February 02 2009, 11:02AM
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Deep Oil wrote:

OILERSNATION has crossed the line and is working with the dark side - http://www.flamesnation.ca - war is upon us. I am sure NUCKSNATION.ca is next.

How on earth did you figure that out Deep Oil? Was it the humongous ad on the right hand side of the screen? I hope they put these in every city - just as long as this site stays the same.

Oiler Nation rules!!

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#59 Colin
February 02 2009, 11:03AM
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I only saw 3-4 players(Moreau, Nilsson!, Hemsky and maybe Cole) playing with any intensity at all yesterday. The last few minutes seemed especially lacksidasial considering the team only needed a single goal.

It looked sort of like everyone was waiting around for Hemsky to bail them out again.........

The Oilers always seem to take these games against "weaker" teams off.

Newsflash: when you're a handful of points out of 12th, you're one of the weaker teams and shouldn't be taking anyone lightly.

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#60 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 11:12AM
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r59 wrote:

Deep Oil wrote: OILERSNATION has crossed the line and is working with the dark side - http://www.flamesnation.ca - war is upon us. I am sure NUCKSNATION.ca is next. How on earth did you figure that out Deep Oil? Was it the humongous ad on the right hand side of the screen? I hope they put these in every city - just as long as this site stays the same. Oiler Nation rules!!

Oiler Nation Management should feed the comments to twitter for real time tants - www.twitter.com

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#61 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 11:15AM
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Colin wrote:

I only saw 3-4 players(Moreau, Nilsson!, Hemsky and maybe Cole) playing with any intensity at all yesterday. The last few minutes seemed especially lacksidasial considering the team only needed a single goal. It looked sort of like everyone was waiting around for Hemsky to bail them out again……… The Oilers always seem to take these games against “weaker” teams off. Newsflash: when you’re a handful of points out of 12th, you’re one of the weaker teams and shouldn’t be taking anyone lightly.

did you mean lacksidasical - or just playing like sausages as my 72 year old father likes to quote being of slavic background.....

lacksidasical definition | Dictionary.comDefinition of lacksidasical at Dictionary.com with free online dictionary, pronunciation, synonyms, and translation. Word of the Day and Crossword Puzzles. www.ask.com/dic?q=lacksidasical&o=0&l=dir&page=1 - 68k - Cached - Similar pages

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#62 Lego
February 02 2009, 11:20AM
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Smokin' Ray wrote:

ok. Those of us that are old enough to remember the 90’s. Those were bad times. This is NOT the worst Oiler team yet. So we as fans don’t really have it that bad. Quit complaining and start cheering. This team isn’t that crappy. I mean really… we could have DeBrusk back as a player. Or Kovalenko. or MacT as a player. Check out the 1994 team. Not very good.

True enough but I remember buying a 10 game mini-pak back then for $150! Sure the seats where in the nodebleeds in section BO (several of the mini-pak holders couldn't afford proper hygeine) but with only 7000 fans per game updgrading was never a problem.

Now we are paying top dollar for the same crappy results!

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#63 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 11:26AM
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Lego wrote:

Smokin’ Ray wrote: ok. Those of us that are old enough to remember the 90’s. Those were bad times. This is NOT the worst Oiler team yet. So we as fans don’t really have it that bad. Quit complaining and start cheering. This team isn’t that crappy. I mean really… we could have DeBrusk back as a player. Or Kovalenko. or MacT as a player. Check out the 1994 team. Not very good. True enough but I remember buying a 10 game mini-pak back then for $150! Sure the seats where in the nodebleeds in section BO (several of the mini-pak holders couldn’t afford proper hygeine) but with only 7000 fans per game updgrading was never a problem. Now we are paying top dollar for the same crappy results!

Do you think ticket and beer prices will remain the same in RX2 - this same crappy team might be the same.

I have $14 dollar gold tickets section M in 1979 - that is behind the oilers bench... in 1990 the average contract was $150 - $300K - now you have Detroit cheating the cap system giving Zetter $72 million over 12 years - actually 8 if he gets bought out.... what are you complaining about - the cost of the tickets or the fraud on the ice at RX1.

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#64 Wanye Gretz
February 02 2009, 11:30AM
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pmg2 wrote:

This market needs toughness my friend. People should see what happens in Montreal. Sheldon Souray quoted just last week that this place is “kindergarten” compared to Montreal.

Where was this quote from Souray written? I couldn't agree more with you by the way. Let's toughen this piece up!

*goes and gets tire iron, goes looking for Nilsson*

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#65 Hockey Gods
February 02 2009, 11:40AM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

*goes and gets tire iron, goes looking for Nilsson*

Wanye, you should be looking for Gilbert after he cost us the game yesterday. I guess I should fault him 100%, it's tough to win if the offence only puts up 1 gino. But Gilbert was directly at fault for both goals against.

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#66 Lego
February 02 2009, 11:45AM
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Deep Oil wrote:

Lego wrote: Smokin’ Ray wrote: what are you complaining about - the cost of the tickets or the fraud on the ice at RX1.

Both!

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#67 Smokin' Ray
February 02 2009, 11:56AM
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Everyone makes valid points. I agree with a lot of them, obviously except Deep Oil (let's be honest... I didn't get the analogy?)

However, at the moment there are 7 teams fighting for 4 spots in the playoffs. If we finish in 5th, does that make this year a failure? Is winning the division the only answer? What would make everything a good again in the Nation?

Because really... if we stink that bad then there is 6 other teams stinking up the joint as well. Yet it could be worse.

As far as $$$. Ticket prices are up, Gas is up, Rents are higher, everything cost more. Everything.

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#68 Deans
February 02 2009, 11:56AM
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Deep Oil is on a tear. Here is my two cents on "The Hullsey". The younger generation has never taken to this guy outside of an Eskimo context. His delivery and tone is outdated and too old school. Sure he can sell but at what point does the drive show become a glorified Tony Romas commercial? His show has absolutly no flow partly due to how his ads are constantly inturputing whatever convuluted point he is trying tomake. Personally I always despised sports talk untill 1260 came on the scene. On a side note Cory Graham(sp?) is doing a nice job on the post game.

BTW this overwrite thing is really irritating

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#69 MattL
February 02 2009, 12:02PM
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I thought the Oil played a very smart game in the first, but really pooped the bed in the second. It was like they didn't score any goals in the first, so they just gave up until Nashville had scored their second goal.

Nashville double and triple teamed Hemsky most of the game, and nobody else could get anything going, aside from Moreau's nine wrist shots at Rinne's chest.

I liked Nilsson on the first line though, when he's on his game, he's about the best at getting Hemmer the puck on the fly, which is what that line needs. Our defense was terrible as a unit, Souray especially. It looked like everyone was

This looks and feels like a team that just wants to be in the playoff mix, they don't seem to want to work hard enough to win every game.

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#70 David S
February 02 2009, 12:16PM
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Do you think we could put a lid on the "PERSONAL SEAT LICENSE" thing unless we could get some actual proof? This personal vendetta against Darryl Katz is getting to the point of slander. Yeah, it's funny stuff to read but it gets a bit thin after 300 comments or so.

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#71 Travis Dakin
February 02 2009, 12:29PM
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David S wrote:

Do you think we could put a lid on the “PERSONAL SEAT LICENSE” thing unless we could get some actual proof?

What is a personal seat licence?

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#72 pmg2
February 02 2009, 12:31PM
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@ David S: My point exactly David S. Those guys don't exist now,....hence "no Messier needed". Perhaps however, we could use somebody who is a reasonable facsimile. That's a thought !!

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#73 Hockey Gods
February 02 2009, 12:34PM
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@ Smokin' Ray: Hey man, I like that you're being so positive, and yes this is the best position they have been in, at this point of the year, for a long time. But there is a lot reason for complaining too, first from the beginning of the year we were told this was division contending team... we aren't.

And since 7 teams are fighting for 4 spots it just measn the competition is that much thicker, so laying an egg against teams well below is bad. Sure if they played hard and gave a good effort and lost by hair, then I am happy and hope the effort continues. But putting 60 min efforts 1 game out five doesn't cut when you are fighting with 7 teams for 4 spots. They have done this for 8 years and haven't learned, or improved.

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#74 pmg2
February 02 2009, 12:36PM
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@ Wanye Gretz: Gretz : the piece was not played, but they discussed it on "Just a Game" on the afternoon drive home last week with Gregor and,.....I think perhaps Brownie. Not sure which day. Perhaps to clarify it further, Souray I believe was referring to the media primarily. These guys have it pretty easy with the media here. Terry Jones is about the only one I know who can chew somebody's ass if they're not performing. They need more of it as far as I'm concerned. We don't need guys coming here to play just to show they "play to the level of the opposing team". That's B.S. Hockey !!

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#75 pmg2
February 02 2009, 12:43PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

pmg2 wrote: @ CurtisS: Nobody is exempt from this inconsistent fiasco we call the Oilers ! Take a look……. (1) Roloson was paid millions and kept for 3 years as a loyalty reward for 1 playoff year. Although we can’t blame the team’s incessant inconsistency on him. (2) Fernando Pisani was rewarded the same….although less illustriously. He’s now injured and not even in the picture. So no blame on him. Just the lost salary. (3) Shawn Horcoff was made (avg salary cap figure) a multi millionaire @ 5.5 million cap hit (?) for the next how many years ? And he had a career 1/2 year last year up to the all-star break !? (4) Who’s that guy they got from Anaheim ??? O yeah ! Penner ! Was he worth the desperation of management to seize someone for some sort of “improvement statement” made by this club ?? It looks that way. They couldn’t get what they really wanted so he was the consolation. Enough for now on the salary vs Return topic. There’s plenty where that came from. (5) Is there anybody in this dressing room who turns ugly and dangerous to sit beside after an inexcusable loss (or many ?). I dare not say Mark Messier (who would have smacked anybody not giving consistent efforts) ! We don’t need a Messier duplicate,…..but really,… what other player alternative do we have who takes it personally and shows it !!!?? I listened to a speech the other day from one of the key players on this team,…and all I heard was the best diplomatic re-directed speech I have come accustomed to hearing !! The end result ……nobody takes it seriously enough to be upset enough and pop the buttons on their suit jackets and blow steam out of their ears after the game !!! (6) Why have we been seeing the same old ridiculous story for many years now ?? Start the season with promise, or at least a reasonable facsimile of it……see the inconsistency through the dog days of winter, then fight like hell to make it it to the finish line…..often not succeeding !!!! What is wrong with this picture ?? I guess that’s why I don’t watch these clowns anymore. Some players are clearly not good enough to be legitimmate NHL’ers. Others are not intelligent enough between the ears. Yet others are clearly not tough enough between the ears. They say that at this level, it’s at least 70% mental preparation and roughly 30% skill !!!! Need I say more ?? Items 1 - 4 - are KLOWE’s responsibility and now we are a capped out team with underachievers - is KLOWE learning very quickly from KATZ how to be silent and miss the bullet - oh I forgot it is his team with Katz being the mute alleged billionaire with his father as his mouthpiece for public appearances at Rexall for the common folk and serfs.

Exactly my point brother Deep Oil ! Management must take the portion of the responsibility from their end too ! This has become a multi-headed problem !!! Somebody better damn well fix it !! Incompetence and failure are unacceptable on a pro level !! Plain and simple !!

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#76 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 12:45PM
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Deans wrote:

Deep Oil is on a tear. Here is my two cents on “The Hullsey”. The younger generation has never taken to this guy outside of an Eskimo context. His delivery and tone is outdated and too old school. Sure he can sell but at what point does the drive show become a glorified Tony Romas commercial? His show has absolutly no flow partly due to how his ads are constantly inturputing whatever convuluted point he is trying tomake. Personally I always despised sports talk untill 1260 came on the scene. On a side note Cory Graham(sp?) is doing a nice job on the post game. BTW this overwrite thing is really irritating

Ched is not for the younger folk, I know Hallsy and can't listen to his infomercials called time slots - they finally looked in the mirror and hired Dan T from high school while firing cranky Al Stafford - so Ched is really for older folk who do not own televisions and listen to A Rod - with a post game exclusive access that the Team 1260 cannot provide.. but the Team is immune to memos from Allan Watt to GM Rutherford noting that making negative comments about the oil will not be tolerated. If Ched loses the eskimos and the oil to the team, without the properties CHED is dead - but does it really matter as most of their listeners are nearly dead already..... would anyone listen to Dan T without the broadcast ?

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#77 OvenChicken8
February 02 2009, 12:46PM
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Hockey Gods wrote:

Wanye Gretz wrote: *goes and gets tire iron, goes looking for Nilsson* Wanye, you should be looking for Gilbert after he cost us the game yesterday. I guess I should fault him 100%, it’s tough to win if the offence only puts up 1 gino. But Gilbert was directly at fault for both goals against.

I'd say it was 50/50 Gilbert and Roli on the first goal... the second you are bang on, poor Gib's was looking left when he should have been looking right.

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#78 pmg2
February 02 2009, 12:46PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

OILERSNATION has crossed the line and is working with the dark side - http://www.flamesnation.ca - war is upon us. I am sure NUCKSNATION.ca is next.

FLAMES SUCK !! and so does the City of Cows !!

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#79 Hockey Gods
February 02 2009, 12:48PM
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OvenChicken8 wrote:

the second you are bang on, poor Gib’s was looking left when he should have been looking right

Yup then he let "whats his face" (Who can name more than 5 Predetors?) skate right by him take the pass and score.

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#80 George
February 02 2009, 12:50PM
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id take grebby over gilbert any day

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#81 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 01:01PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

David S wrote: Do you think we could put a lid on the “PERSONAL SEAT LICENSE” thing unless we could get some actual proof? What is a personal seat licence?

TD - a personal seat license is used by sports owner to finance buildings - in Toronto the PSL was $25K per seat and now sells for $45K per seat - it is a false economy or cash grab to generate more revenue by the owner, in some cases the funds are needed to generate more long term revenue streams such as improvements, arena lounges, conference rooms.....

If Edmonton has a team that is in demand - PSL's will be in play - bringing $250 - $500 million in revenue to Katz for team capital payback, and development for the entire project - you end up floating Katz's boat and can sell your PSL when you no longer wish to be a season ticket holder for more, less or the same amount of funds. Reminder - Katz borrowed $100 million to buy the oil eig shares - where do you think the next $100 million is going to come from - the tooth fairy or government - it will cost more to be an oiler fan if RX2 even goes ahead in this climate.

Remember some sports teams are selling renewable terms on PSL's - so they grab cash in the future....

Here is the wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability

Here is a lawsuit over PSL's http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2005/05/02/editorial3.html

Dallas PSL's for sale https://www.stadiumpsl.com/dallas-cowboys-psl-s-for-sale/9.html

New York Jets - 600 PSL nets $16 million http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/sports/football/29psl.html?ref=sports

Darren Rovell PSL http://www.cnbc.com/id/27277636

Toronto Maple Leafs - $90K http://www.etorontotickets.com/leafLicenses/

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#82 TonyT
February 02 2009, 01:03PM
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@ George Second that George, Grebs has toned down his turnovers and his positioning and stickchecks this year have been quite an improvement. Nothing against Gilbert, however at 4 mil there's already enough "safe" players making big coin on this team.

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#83 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 01:09PM
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pmg2 wrote:

@ David S: My point exactly David S. Those guys don’t exist now,….hence “no Messier needed”. Perhaps however, we could use somebody who is a reasonable facsimile. That’s a thought !!

That is why San Jose brought Lemieux back for cup experience at no risk - you don't need to intimidate all the time or relive the greatest leader of all time garbage.... leading by example speaks louder than words.

These kids in San Jose when they get nervous and throw up in the stanley cup final can go to Blake, Lemieux, and Roenick for some guidance and leadership without taking a stick and knocking out some lights - like Sid Viscous aka LOWE did when he was a rookie....

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#84 Clarkenstein
February 02 2009, 01:13PM
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Robin, do you think somebody is buying up the unsold tickets??? How could they sell out against NSH on Super Bowl Sunday with a noon start??? Something fishy going on maybe or have they put all these crappy teams in packages??

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#85 KayleW
February 02 2009, 01:15PM
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@ r59: I find it very hard to believe that Katz would put a PSL in place for RX2! He isn't completely stupid, edmonton simply doesn't have enough corporate support for that! I find it amazing that Katz has owned the oilers for a little over 1/2 a year and already fans are all over him for not having completely revamped management. Did u really think that he would blow everything up by the halfway mark of the season? He did not get where he is today by being a reckless businessman. I don't think that makes him a deadbeat owner. I don't know the man but I have a feeling he doesn't like 2 lose and when he feels the time is right to run someone out of town he will do it without batting an eye! @robin Good read!

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#86 Fortboy
February 02 2009, 01:21PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

is the lowebelli term used because Mr.Lowe has his hand up Mr. Tambellini doing the muppet puppet show…..lets call a spade a spade - all moves approved by lowe - tambo is Senior Executive Assistant Manager - Northern Hemisphere - named GM to get out of contract with Vancouver - this is KLOWE’s team with all warts and pimples.

Thanks for saving me some typing. That was my reasoning as well. Lowebellini is much shorter than Kevin Lowe & Steve Tambellini. My apologies for being Penner like.

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#87 RobinB
February 02 2009, 01:28PM
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Fortboy wrote:

RobinB wrote: Sorry, but a pet peeve: Did this site become the Cult of Hockey when I wasn’t looking? There is nobody with the Oilers named “Lowebellini.” Sorry Robin. Next time I’ll add a TM next to it and put it in a blog and it should be alright. Works for Wanye.

Yes, but Wanye likes bikini waxes and he makes his own clothes from old newspapers.

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#88 Travis Dakin
February 02 2009, 01:41PM
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Yes, but Wanye likes bikini waxes and he makes his own clothes from old newspapers.

How does it make you feel to know he uses your old articles to cover his custard cannon?

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#89 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 01:58PM
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@ r59: I find it very hard to believe that Katz would put a PSL in place for RX2! He isn’t completely stupid, edmonton simply doesn’t have enough corporate support for that! I find it amazing that Katz has owned the oilers for a little over 1/2 a year and already fans are all over him for not having completely revamped management. Did u really think that he would blow everything up by the halfway mark of the season? He did not get where he is today by being a reckless businessman. I don’t think that makes him a deadbeat owner. I don’t know the man but I have a feeling he doesn’t like 2 lose and when he feels the time is right to run someone out of town he will do it without batting an eye! @robin Good read!

When the built Northlands Coliseum the architect put in odd number seats - creating Molson Canadian half price singles night.

There is a corporate waiting list for suites. There is a waiting list for season tickets.

Oilers cut off their nose with a false warning to sign up for the right to purchase mini game paks - overestimated the demand.

They let Eric Upton walk / let him go... no need for a high priced salesman when there is nothing to sell.

Most Canadians could not tell you which Superbowl this is and where it was held yesterday and who is playing - small male dominated percentage betting on stupid sports select with terrible odds instead of online.

Some Edmontonians cannot afford season tickets and purchasing a one off ticket is not a big deal

When you have a winter monopoly - you can close the castle to the people and listen to the YES men around you to what is good today and for tommorrow... case in point why do most American teams have ice girls, power girls and Northlands and Rexall Sports sit on their hands from an arena promotion item.

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#90 Deep Oil
February 02 2009, 02:02PM
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soory the above post was directed to CLARKENSTEIN

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#91 Fortboy
February 02 2009, 02:05PM
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Yes, but Wanye likes bikini waxes and he makes his own clothes from old newspapers.

HAHA! You do have a way with descriptive words. I need to bleach my brain after that image burn in.

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#92 KayleW
February 02 2009, 02:29PM
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my above post was not directed at r59, I'm a rookie on this site so I don't seem to have it figured out yet!

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#93 CurtisS
February 02 2009, 02:39PM
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You wanna know what really ******* me off Quote Tsn Coach Craig Mactavish singled out forwards Dustin Penner, Kyle Brodziak and Marc Pouliot at practice on Monday and then made them bag skate after pratice. General Manager Steve Tambellini was asked if a coaching change is needed, and he said no. Sam Gagner practiced and is expected back on Tuesday when the Oilers host the Blackhawks.

How the hell did Reddox do anymore than them and why isnt Reddox doing it too. This kinda shit doesnt go far as a team.

You win as a team, you lose as a team. Stupid Mact.

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#94 David S
February 02 2009, 02:46PM
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Travis Dakin wrote: TD - a personal seat license is used by sports owner to finance buildings - in Toronto the PSL was $25K per seat and now sells for $45K per seat - it is a false economy or cash grab to generate more revenue by the owner, in some cases the funds are needed to generate more long term revenue streams such as improvements, arena lounges, conference rooms….. If Edmonton has a team that is in demand - PSL’s will be in play - bringing $250 - $500 million in revenue to Katz for team capital payback, and development for the entire project - you end up floating Katz’s boat and can sell your PSL when you no longer wish to be a season ticket holder for more, less or the same amount of funds. Reminder - Katz borrowed $100 million to buy the oil eig shares - where do you think the next $100 million is going to come from - the tooth fairy or government - it will cost more to be an oiler fan if RX2 even goes ahead in this climate. Remember some sports teams are selling renewable terms on PSL’s - so they grab cash in the future….

It's a quantum leap from knowing what a PSL is and speculating (in this case gossiping) that Katz will follow suit.

Sorry man, not buying it.

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#95 Colin
February 02 2009, 03:46PM
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CurtisS wrote:

You wanna know what really ******* me off Quote Tsn Coach Craig Mactavish singled out forwards Dustin Penner, Kyle Brodziak and Marc Pouliot at practice on Monday and then made them bag skate after pratice. General Manager Steve Tambellini was asked if a coaching change is needed, and he said no. Sam Gagner practiced and is expected back on Tuesday when the Oilers host the Blackhawks. How the hell did Reddox do anymore than them and why isnt Reddox doing it too. This kinda shit doesnt go far as a team. You win as a team, you lose as a team. Stupid Mact.

Haven't seen the article but WTF, most of the team deserved that bag skate, and to be fair Brodz wasn't that bad if memory serves, he came close.

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#96 Deep Oil
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David S wrote:

Deep Oil wrote: Travis Dakin wrote: TD - a personal seat license is used by sports owner to finance buildings - in Toronto the PSL was $25K per seat and now sells for $45K per seat - it is a false economy or cash grab to generate more revenue by the owner, in some cases the funds are needed to generate more long term revenue streams such as improvements, arena lounges, conference rooms….. If Edmonton has a team that is in demand - PSL’s will be in play - bringing $250 - $500 million in revenue to Katz for team capital payback, and development for the entire project - you end up floating Katz’s boat and can sell your PSL when you no longer wish to be a season ticket holder for more, less or the same amount of funds. Reminder - Katz borrowed $100 million to buy the oil eig shares - where do you think the next $100 million is going to come from - the tooth fairy or government - it will cost more to be an oiler fan if RX2 even goes ahead in this climate. Remember some sports teams are selling renewable terms on PSL’s - so they grab cash in the future…. It’s a quantum leap from knowing what a PSL is and speculating (in this case gossiping) that Katz will follow suit. Sorry man, not buying it.

Seems that most other teams in North America are using PSL's illustrated by my links - what makes Katz any different..... really... PSL will not work if the team is in 8th or 9th place with a tired season ticket base supporting also rans...

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#97 Dennis
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Not really sure if MacT believes what he's saying or he's just using a loss as an excuse to crack the whip a little. That being said, 78's game has been lagging of late so even though I'm a fan I've got no problem with him getting a little smack and the same goes for 27-51. But in the terms of the results from the last two games, did the Oilers generate fewer chances vs the Preds than they did against the Wild?

I highly doubt it.

Anyone can be impressed with the 150 shots that 18 took but they were all from low-pct scoring areas and you'd have to take a whole lot of them before you see another instance like fri night where Backstrom lost his place in the net and left virtually the entire short-side open. So, that takes me back to my point. On Friday night Hemsky banks one in and Backstrom gives an awful goal to 18; at the other end Roli doesn't give up any stinkers and Hurray we win!

Now on Sunday you have Rinne making a couple of wicked saves while Roli and Gilbert collaborate on the first goal and then Roli finishes it off by letting the shot go through him. But the Oilers lose and all of a sudden they're bad again?

Sure, the team isn't consistent enough to ascend past the middle of the pack but there wasn't a big difference between how they played Fri and Sun outside of the 24 hit and fight. And if Roli's better than at least we get to OT.

So I'm not so certain that macT lost it over this game as much as this is residual disappointment that finally bubbled over.

Regarding anyone taking 27's contract, who gave him that contract? And who wrote about it in a negative light?

Exactly.

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#98 Deans
February 02 2009, 04:31PM
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Would anyone listen to Dan T without the broadcast?

I dont mind Tencer. He is a bit Vanilla but everyone knows he is severly handcuffed. It is also kind of fun trying to figure out his real feelings based on the ughs and pauses after a pissed off fan phones in. If he was allowed to have an actual opinion, who knows, maybe he'd be decent.

I actually like how the Team doesnt broadcast the pressers. I think they often interupt the flow of a show. In the postmodern age, when everyone can access the post-game show on the internet, it's almost redudant to broadcast them on-air. Fans will listen/watch online while simultaneously listening to the post-game show.

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#99 Deep Oil
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Deans wrote:

Deep Oil wrote: Would anyone listen to Dan T without the broadcast? I dont mind Tencer. He is a bit Vanilla but everyone knows he is severly handcuffed. It is also kind of fun trying to figure out his real feelings based on the ughs and pauses after a pissed off fan phones in. If he was allowed to have an actual opinion, who knows, maybe he’d be decent. I actually like how the Team doesnt broadcast the pressers. I think they often interupt the flow of a show. In the postmodern age, when everyone can access the post-game show on the internet, it’s almost redudant to broadcast them on-air. Fans will listen/watch online while simultaneously listening to the post-game show.

In my opinion - the Oil covet the post game pressor still to Ched as the rightsholder - in the USA the rightsholder broadcasts the game with numerous radio stations (in hockey markets - not sunbelts) doing pre game and post game on site..... so in the end, the Oiler ARM extends their grasp.

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#100 Terry
February 02 2009, 05:18PM
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Suggested name change if I owned the team: The Edmonton Sphincter Cats. It would be more in keeping with their style of play and where their hearts and pride seem to be lodged. Kind of catchy, no?

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