Fire MacT? No chance

Robin Brownlee
February 02 2009 10:10PM

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While there's plenty of sentiment out there, some of it well-founded, that Craig MacTavish should be fired forthwith by the Edmonton Oilers, it isn't going to happen. At least not right now.

Aside from having the Oilers in a tenuous playoff position at 25-21-3 and owner Darryl Katz and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe firmly in his corner, MacTavish got what was essentially a vote of confidence from GM Steve Tambellini today.

While votes of confidence often come just before the GM walks into his coach's office with a blindfold and a cigarette, I'd be willing to wager that's not the case when it comes to the embattled MacT.

That's not to say a case can't be made for a pink slip, because it can, but the reality of the situation, given the personalities and alliances involved, is that MacTavish isn't going anywhere, yet.

The boss says

Tambellini talked to assembled media at Millennium Place today, taking a variety of questions. Dave Mitchell of CTV cut to the chase when he asked Tambellini if a coaching change might "get this team going."

"We're right in the middle of a playoff hunt here," said Tambellini, eyeballing his bald inquisitor. "We're in fifth place a couple of days ago.

"This coaching staff is working hard. Craig is one of the top coaches in this business and we're right there. So, you're asking me a question when we're fighting for a playoff spot right now, like many teams.

"Our job is to get better from within first, not to look on the outside. If that happens, like I said, we look daily. If we can upgrade our hockey club, we will. If we can upgrade on the last day possible of the trade deadline, we will.

"The most important thing here is to maximize what we have here, be a good team every night. This coaching staff is doing a good job."

Moves pending?

Tambellini was also queried about the possibility of making a deal to bolster the team, maybe shake things up, before the trade deadline.

"To look on the outside, to say there's always something greener on the other side to get better, that's an easy way," Tambellini said. "Every team is saying that.

"You have to get better from the inside. We have to get better as a group (and) individually. That's the only way you'll be able to sustain something... it's difficult. Teams are looking for energy players. Teams are looking for defencemen. They're looking for top-six forwards.

"It's difficult to move players. It's not the only way you get better. We have to look not only on the outside, we have to look from the inside out sometimes. How do we get better as a group?"

The bottom line

So, like it or not, that's Tambellini's take, as of today. In the end, while some Oilers fans might see things differently, the reality is Tambellini, along with Lowe and Katz, have the only votes that really matter. And those votes won't be cast until this season is done and the Oilers miss the playoffs, if they're cast at all.

MacT isn't going anywhere, yet.

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#51 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 09:56AM
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shakey wrote:

@ Chaz: Have faith, someone on here usually supplies a link to watch the game on-line…free of charge. Anyone?

Here you go - up yours oliervision

http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2.php?i=729

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#52 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 09:57AM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

moose66 wrote: How come we never get a quote from Katz. “Katz the ghost” is his new name!!! Katzper?

People are starting to question the mute.... Very different style in comparison to Gene Melnyk Now go blow yourself up.....

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#53 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 10:01AM
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Bruthah wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: For those of you wondering, the picture above is from the 2003-04 season, while the picture in my article is from two weeks ago. NO PLAY FOR MR. GREY! Somebody should hand that man some ‘Just for Men’. and a pink slip.

cant say pink slip anymore - not political correct as per pansification - it is now called a termination paper... I think I will send some PANSY's to the lesbian on with Ron MacLean - how come real lesbians look like her and the movie lesbians look like Pamela Anderson.... too bad.

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#54 Ender the Dragon
February 03 2009, 10:04AM
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@ MattL: Absolutely perfect reply. Well said, sir.

@ Thenosebleedsection.: While I agree with your statement, did you even read the posts yesterday and today?

Hockey Gods wrote:

I hope you have already bought him his first Oiler jersey and his first words are Fire MacT!

Since kids generally speak their first words around 16-24 months, I take this as an endorsement from you to keep MacT around to run the 09-10 season? :)

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#55 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 10:07AM
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Chaz wrote:

@ shakey: Prove Shakey right people. Where’s my link?!? I want to see Patrick Kane cry again. Maybe a Souray shot off the ankle will do it!

Why don't you bookmark - http://www.atdhe.net/

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#56 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 10:09AM
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The website is hosted in Sweden outside the arm of Big Brother Allan Watt

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#57 Ender the Dragon
February 03 2009, 10:11AM
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@ Deep Oil:

I got smart enough to bookmark that just last game. Thanks for providing.

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#58 Thenosebleedsection.
February 03 2009, 10:16AM
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@ Ender.

Nope. I didnt. I should have prior to posting...o well haha.

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#59 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
February 03 2009, 10:23AM
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moose66 wrote:

How come we never get a quote from Katz. “Katz the ghost” is his new name!!! I don’t like when an owner is too involved but can we get anything out of him. Kevin Lowe looks extremely comfortable in his new digs! An owner that idolized him as a player and also an owner not getting involved in the decision making of the organization. What a perfect situation for K-Lowe!!! At least that’s from a fan’s point of view. This summer is the time for the “ghost” to clean house. Management is a good start, Kevin Lowe - mediocrity (need i say more) Patrick Laforge - everyone talks about his marketing and how we sellout every game. News flash, a monkey could have sold out every game after that playoff run!! Alan Watt - Mr. Big Brother himself, definitely little man syndrome!!! It’s time the media doesn’t fear to critique the Oilers. Coaching All 4 coaches - Mac -T may flourish somewhere else but its time to move on. Also, how can buckee have the pedigree to be an assistant in such a short time! Do you notice that teams try and pluck the great assistant coaches in the league to become head coaches for their teams. How many times over the last number of years have you heard of GM trying to take anyone of our assistants to become head coaches for their team!

I agree with all your comments 100% I say it is time to clean house, when you look around the league other teams have made changes for the better,look at the flames what they have done since bringing in Keenan and the player moves they made. This team and organization started going downhill when Smyth left, not pronger, If we still had Smyth we would of had our left winger to play with hemsky and there would have been no Penner,to many mistakes in signing players here to large contracts that nobody else will pay, and a organization that likes to live in the past.Someone should probably let the good old boys club know, that those banners hanging in Rexal place have beeen there for 18 years.

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#60 BUCK75
February 03 2009, 10:37AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

lol - Damned if you sign Smyth - now damned that you didn't. Weak arguement looking in the past. Smyth hardly played last year - this year he has played every game & has 40 points. I think that is weak.

KLowe's first year of running EVERYTHING. I don't have a huge issue with management. KLowe mad some bad choices, but everone like focussing on the bad moves. What about signing Hemsky? He built the team for the cup run trading for Roli & Spacek & such. Nobody though Smyth was worth the money he wanted.

Tambo has made 1 trade, wait until he has been running the team for a while before you want his head. The other guys you have mentioned in Watt (who is a behind the scenes guy - usually) & Laforge are so far a way from day to day on ice operations.

You bring up the bigest problem with our fans - living in the past. Look forward man...it doesn't look good now, but clean house if we miss the play-offs.

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#61 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
February 03 2009, 10:39AM
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Hey Deep Oil It is really starting to look like Katz is just a front man, but why would they not have chosen someone who is more fan and media friendly ,Katz has not been seen from or heard from since he took over last summer. he is the second coming of the late Howard Hughes

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#62 shakey
February 03 2009, 10:45AM
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Deep Oil wrote: Here you go - up yours oliervision http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2.php?i=729

Deep Oil; your depth with the Oil is scary! See what I did there...?

Thanks for the link, a bookmarking we will go!

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#63 moose66
February 03 2009, 10:49AM
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@ BUCK75: Buck, i do agree with you on Smyth. He was the heart and soul but too expensive. I disagree on the "RUNNING EVERYTHING" that Kevin does. How has his job changed, what does he do different now than he would have done before? If TAMBO has full reigns on making trades than what is Kevin really doing? Whay is his role? It is just because the owner has deep pockets that they can open up another position(salary). There are many reasons why we have Tambo here, 1. I don't think many people wanted to trade with "Lowe" anymore. I truly believe he burned a few bridges with many G.M.'s on his offers to Vanek and Penner. 2. It's alot easier to do a trade now when you have a puppet to do it for you. 3. It's alot easier to fire your good friend(Mac T)when your puppet does it for you if the team doesn't make the playoffs. 4. The biggest reason, JOB SECURITY! Fans can start targeting Tambo over the coming years.

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#64 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
February 03 2009, 10:53AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: lol - Damned if you sign Smyth - now damned that you didn’t. Weak arguement looking in the past. Smyth hardly played last year - this year he has played every game & has 40 points. I think that is weak. KLowe’s first year of running EVERYTHING. I don’t have a huge issue with management. KLowe mad some bad choices, but everone like focussing on the bad moves. What about signing Hemsky? He built the team for the cup run trading for Roli & Spacek & such. Nobody though Smyth was worth the money he wanted. Tambo has made 1 trade, wait until he has been running the team for a while before you want his head. The other guys you have mentioned in Watt (who is a behind the scenes guy - usually) & Laforge are so far a way from day to day on ice operations. You bring up the bigest problem with our fans - living in the past. Look forward man…it doesn’t look good now, but clean house if we miss the play-offs.

Klowe good moves 1 Signing hemsky,2 bringing in peca and Pronger and Roli that was 1 year out of how many has he been Gm? Klowe bad moves 1 Penner at 4.5m,2 Horcoff at 5.5m,1 d man at 4.5m Gilbert,1 at 5.5m souray,1 at 6.5m Visnosky letting lupol go for nothing,letting sykora go for nothing,letting Glencross go for nothing,trading 2 center men and not replacing either one Reasnor and Stoll, these are what comes to mind and all these signings and moves have been made after the cup run.the same goes for Mac T you want to give K lowe and Mac T a free ride cause they got us to the final? look at both there records prior to 2006 and after if you take that year out 2006 do you really think that they would still both have a job?

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#65 moose66
February 03 2009, 11:01AM
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YOU BEAT ME TO THE KEYBOARD seasonticketholdersince99, i TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. You type faster than i do!! LOL!!

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#66 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 11:08AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

You bring up the bigest problem with our fans - living in the past. Look forward man….

Funny you should say that while defending Lowe for decisions that he made three years ago. I agree that he did a great job putting that team together for the cup run, but it seems like he's been on a steady dose of stupid pills ever since. Letting Smytty walk over what essentially amounted to a pissing contest with his agent, after all he's done for the team, while rewarding other players with huge contracts for one good season is ridiculous. Trading one of the most dominant players in the game for a #6 d-man because he wanted to live by the beach is absolutely mind-boggling.

@RobinB

I realize that MacT won't be fired this year, I don't think that was ever even a possibility going into this season. What I was wondering is, in your opinion, what do you think would be the catalyst for a coaching/management change? I've got to believe that missing the playoffs is a death sentence, but what about finishing 7th-8th and a first round playoff exit? Is that going to be considered a successful enough season given the expectations coming in?

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#67 BUCK75
February 03 2009, 11:11AM
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@ moose66: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

1: Someone needs to be accountable for the trades KLowe has made & the salaries passed out to some 'fringe players'. In interviews he doesn't make trades anymore, his job is to oversee "Oiler Hockey Properties". When you have success like 2006 everyone gets in line for their raise. Look around the league, there are LOTS of teams that have bad contracts. That's why nobody can get a deal done. 2: Hey man I want MacT gone too, Ottawa has gone through 4 coaches since they went to the finals - 4 coaches still getting paid. I'm not giving the guy a pass, but at the same time when he is getting the support of Tambo he ain't going anywhere. It gives us something to bitch about.

I seriously think it would be easier to get rid of the coach than 5 or 6 guys. If he was fired now it would pretty much mean giving up on play-offs IMO. It's pretty lofty expectations to think someone else will come in here & the oilers go on a .750 clip to gain secure play-off status. Everyone is pissed off, tired of the same story every year. Something will change - just not yet.

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#68 BUCK75
February 03 2009, 11:17AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski:

MAcT's contract is DONE @ the end of the year. That will be the end of him I think. To go totally outside of the box & hire someone not named Huddy or Buchberger would be a total surprise.

Ottawa tenatively hired Clouston, Oilers are grooming Truitt for something. Both career coaches who were riding buses in Alberta to AJHL towns.

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#69 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 11:23AM
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@ BUCK75:

I don't know if you can say we give up on the playoffs by bringing in a new coach at this point. The Oilers seem to play pretty well this year when they feel like it. I honestly can't think of any really hard-fought losses they've had this year, where they gave 100% and just came up short. When they lose it seems like it's because they're asleep for 40 minutes out of the game. In 49 games this year I'd say the team has phoned it in at least 15 times which is just so far beyond unacceptable. Sometimes a coaching change fires up a team, at least in the short term. If the Oilers get fired up and pull off something like a 8-2 stretch and that's probably good enough to make the playoffs.

Mind you I'm not saying that this is what would happen, a coaching change could also lead to a free-fall. I'm just saying MacT coaching is a known quantity where the Oilers going to finish somewhere between 7th and 10th when there's probably the potential on this team to climb up to around 5th. Would a new coach get that potential out of them? Maybe, maybe not. I just think it might be fun to try it and see.

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#70 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 11:25AM
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Ah I didn't realize MacT's contract is up this year. I should really stop pretending to work in the middle of typing my posts!

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#71 Pokie Reddik
February 03 2009, 11:29AM
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two things: 1. Management keeps saying MacT is a great coach. What is that based on, not his record so then it really is just a matter of opinion. The record speaks for itself, this is a losing team since MacT has been coach. 2. why is Kevin Lowe not getting hammered. If MacT is a great coach then he is coaching players that can't play up to expectations. Who signed all these players. I believe that to be Lowe. Why are the Oilers so close to the salary cap, cause Lowe signed these players for way more money than they are worth, this must be obvious as the record speaks for themselves. If MacT is such a great coach, then the blame has to fall on Lowe.

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#72 moose66
February 03 2009, 11:29AM
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@ BUCK75: BUCK75 wrote:

@ Mike Krushelnyski: MAcT’s contract is DONE @ the end of the year. That will be the end of him I think. To go totally outside of the box & hire someone not named Huddy or Buchberger would be a total surprise. Ottawa tenatively hired Clouston, Oilers are grooming Truitt for something. Both career coaches who were riding buses in Alberta to AJHL towns.

The Oilers shouldn't have let Claude Julien go to the habs system. Bad managment decision.

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#73 Pinto
February 03 2009, 11:33AM
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Does anyone have a link for the PPV tonight, I saw one posted for the last PPV.

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#74 Fiveandagame
February 03 2009, 11:34AM
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I read a lot of comments complaining about the salaries the Oilers have and how brutal the deals Kevin Lowe has done.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE SALARIES OF OTHER TEAMS?

www.nhlnumbers.com

My god, you talk about the Oilers being mired in bad over paid contracts, one quick look around the league and you'll see every team has some bogus contract. We haven't had to buy anyone out of their deals (which to me is the biggest sign of money not equaling the players performance)

Lowe has made some fantastic deals, and some crap deals but he is ahead of the game as far as I'm concerned.

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#75 sittingatmydesk
February 03 2009, 11:35AM
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ATTENTION CITIZENS!!! Tambo has to take advantage of the turmoil in ottawa.. we need to get Heatly, hes the target man,goal scorer we need, he has a cap hit of 7.5 mill. Penner 4.25 mill and Gilbert 4.0 mill plus Gagner or Cogliano and some draft picks....We fix our problem and Ottawa gets a puck moving D- and some 2nd line players which they dont have, it makes sense for both teams, money and players wise...

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#76 moose66
February 03 2009, 11:36AM
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@ Pokie Reddik: Pokie Reddik wrote:

two things: 1. Management keeps saying MacT is a great coach. What is that based on, not his record so then it really is just a matter of opinion. The record speaks for itself, this is a losing team since MacT has been coach. 2. why is Kevin Lowe not getting hammered. If MacT is a great coach then he is coaching players that can’t play up to expectations. Who signed all these players. I believe that to be Lowe. Why are the Oilers so close to the salary cap, cause Lowe signed these players for way more money than they are worth, this must be obvious as the record speaks for themselves. If MacT is such a great coach, then the blame has to fall on Lowe.

KLOWE reminds me of Sather, he gets an open chequebook and he can't make a winner.When Sather left here everyone thought that the Rangers would win many cups, not likely. I think he has 2 or 3 playoff appearance in maybe 10 years. in regards to KLOWE in the past it was all about small market, than he got the cap and still didn't do anything(don't tell me about the cup run as that was lightning in a bottle), now he has a rich owner and guess what, still nothing. A cushy job is what he has now, and Tambo has to deal with many of the bad decisions KLOWE has done.

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#77 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 11:38AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: lol - Damned if you sign Smyth - now damned that you didn’t. Weak arguement looking in the past. Smyth hardly played last year - this year he has played every game & has 40 points. I think that is weak. KLowe’s first year of running EVERYTHING. I don’t have a huge issue with management. KLowe mad some bad choices, but everone like focussing on the bad moves. What about signing Hemsky? He built the team for the cup run trading for Roli & Spacek & such. Nobody though Smyth was worth the money he wanted. Tambo has made 1 trade, wait until he has been running the team for a while before you want his head. The other guys you have mentioned in Watt (who is a behind the scenes guy - usually) & Laforge are so far a way from day to day on ice operations. You bring up the bigest problem with our fans - living in the past. Look forward man…it doesn’t look good now, but clean house if we miss the play-offs.

If smyth played here maybe he doesn't get hurt and has no issues and maintains his garbage goal pace for 30. I was afraid of his body breaking down at $6mm per year like Craig Simpson's back... but I would take Smyth over Penner even with the upcharge....

Both fans and this team are bipolar one day fifth, one day 8th, next day 12th - the team has just not shown up for SO MANY games that they COULD of won the division this year - we have a sick team here - maybe some off the wall motivation in the dressing room - something really crazy.... maybe a fake kidnapping of Hemsky and the team has to bond to rescue him or MACT can fake a heart attack on the ice to see if any players would provide assistance...... think outside the box or bun in Penner's case.

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#78 Fiveandagame
February 03 2009, 11:39AM
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If we can't fire MacT, could we at least get some "fire" into him?

Maybe it's just because I am paying more attention now, but he seems far more even keeled and reserved this season. I'm not saying he needs to scream till his red in the face, but it's not exactly like he's been dripping with enthusiasm and energy.

If he's asking for energy from his guys maybe he should inject a little of his own.

Of course I am saying this having never been to a practice or having set foot in the dressing room, but he just seems so...meh.

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#79 BUCK75
February 03 2009, 11:40AM
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@ moose66:

Why not? Not like he was going to coach in Edmonton.

January 20, 2003 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/01/17/therrien030117.html

Because the Canadiens share the AHL Bulldogs with the Edmonton Oilers this season, Julien was actually under contract with the Oilers. As compensation, Montreal will send a fifth-round draft pick in 2003 to Edmonton. The pick will become a fourth-rounder if the Habs make the playoffs. "(Oilers GM) Kevin Lowe called me this morning to congratulate me and wish me luck," Julien said. "I was really well treated by the Oilers. They gave me my first (pro) chance. Kevin Lowe is a classy guy."
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#80 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 11:42AM
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@ sittingatmydesk:

I still think Grebeshkov, Penner and Schremp for Lecavalier is the better deal. Seriously dude, Hfboards is that way...

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#81 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 11:46AM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

@ sittingatmydesk: I still think Grebeshkov, Penner and Schremp for Lecavalier is the better deal. Seriously dude, Hfboards is that way…

Tampa does not want long term heavy contracts - young cheap and on the rise plus draft picks - that is why this dollar - trade VL issue is up.... Montreal is a darkhorse with Gillette in tank financially - unless 20% Owner Molsons provides some backing.

All of Len Barries money is in Bear Mountain - he is dry - no cash flow - even NHL players that invested in his project that are still waiting for ROI are ticked.

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#82 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 11:53AM
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@ Deep Oil: Err I was being sarcastic. My point is that (thankfully) you don't usually see our-spare-parts-for-their-superstar trade "rumors" here.

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#83 rindog
February 03 2009, 11:55AM
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Deep Oil wrote:

If smyth played here maybe he doesn’t get hurt and has no issues and maintains his garbage goal pace for 30

Yeah, and if my aunt had _____, she'd be my uncle!!!

What is the point?

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#84 Chris
February 03 2009, 11:56AM
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Kevin Lowe is the architect of this team. It would be FUN to watch him try to coach it.

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#85 Greg MC
February 03 2009, 11:59AM
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Where the F*ck is Wanye? Another vacation on the taxpayers teat? What did you do this time?

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#86 moose66
February 03 2009, 12:11PM
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@ BUCK75: BUCK75 wrote:

@ moose66: Why not? Not like he was going to coach in Edmonton. January 20, 2003 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/01/17/therrien030117.html Because the Canadiens share the AHL Bulldogs with the Edmonton Oilers this season, Julien was actually under contract with the Oilers. As compensation, Montreal will send a fifth-round draft pick in 2003 to Edmonton. The pick will become a fourth-rounder if the Habs make the playoffs. “(Oilers GM) Kevin Lowe called me this morning to congratulate me and wish me luck,” Julien said. “I was really well treated by the Oilers. They gave me my first (pro) chance. Kevin Lowe is a classy guy.”

My point exactly, excellent coach that we let get away. For a 5th round pick!! LOL!!! I guess because he didn't wear Oiler silks in his playing career that he didn't get to coach the Oilers! Claude's career coaching record,

197 wins - 123 losses - 10 ties - 41 overtime losses Has had a winning record every season except for his first when finished the last 36 games for the canadiens in the 02/03 season after they fired Michael Therien, he was 12 wins and 16 losses. other than that he has had a winning record every other year.

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#87 BUCK75
February 03 2009, 12:33PM
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@ moose66:

But back in the day if we scraped into the play-offs he was doing a fantastic job. I am more pissed of that we took David Rohlfs or Kalle Olsson with that pick ;)

02/03 we just got in 8th, losing to Dallas 4-2 01/02 we missed by 2 points 00/01 we were 6th in the conference, lost to Dallas first round 4-2

That is why he is still here - just has been good enough to be in the hunt around the play-offs. That's why we let a good coach go. The same reason they have given him slack this season I am sure, living off of 06 contract. Before we made the play-offs in 06 I remember everyone was pised, looking for his head too.

Not defending - but situation is similiar to 06.

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#88 RobinB
February 03 2009, 01:23PM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski: Out of the playoff means thanks for coming. Sneaking in and then getting knocked out in the first round? Depends on the series and how well the team shows.

Is finishing, say, five points behind Calgary for the NW Division title, ending up in eighth and taking SJ to seven games in a roller-coaster first-round series a failure? Some will insist it is. Others, like Katz, I don't know.

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#89 Rice
February 03 2009, 01:32PM
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I'm noticing a bit of an odd trend. players that come here with some sort of hype, lately at least, seem to flop (Penner, Cole, Lupul) Players that come through our system or get here before they are hyped tend to, or at least have the potential to, succeed (Hemsky, Horcoff, Smyth. hopefulls: Cogliano, Gagner, Nillson, Gilbert...)

If indeed I am not imagining this, then it would appear to be the pressure from the fans, with extremely high expectations, that are pushing these players to fail (or at least not meet our standards for them).

All in all I think that Penner won't be a flop. He played well last year and is capable of playing a very high level of hockey. Give him a year to work through a crap season.

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#90 RobinB
February 03 2009, 01:43PM
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@ Rice: Penner got a year to work through last season. Give him this one, and you've paid him $8.5 million for two seasons in which he's produced . . . what?

How many people in the real world get a year or two grace period to start consistently doing the job they're getting paid $50,000 a year to do, let alone $4.25 per?

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#91 shakey
February 03 2009, 02:11PM
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@ Rice: Are you trying to say that players that come here appear to fail because of the pressure the fans put on them?

Robin, you have way more insight into this than most of us, do we as Oiler fans demand or put more pressure on our team than other 'Traditional' hockey markets? Do you believe that the fans are responsible for the failures of players that have come here?

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#92 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 02:18PM
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RobinB wrote:

@ Rice: Penner got a year to work through last season. Give him this one, and you’ve paid him $8.5 million for two seasons in which he’s produced . . . what? How many people in the real world get a year or two grace period to start consistently doing the job they’re getting paid $50,000 a year to do, let alone $4.25 per?

Former President George Bush and he never produced.

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#93 RobinB
February 03 2009, 02:19PM
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@ shakey: This isn't a tough market in terms of fans or media coverage compared to Montreal or New York. Not even close. Fans at MSG are brutal.

Fans responsible for the failure of players who have come here? You're kidding, right? Truth is, in most cases, players don't have the first clue, and don't want to, about what fans think outside of immediate feedback they get in the rink.

The way some people talk, you'd think players spend a lot of time reading fan sites and losing sleep over what people say about them.

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#94 Deep Oil
February 03 2009, 02:23PM
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Pinto wrote:

Does anyone have a link for the PPV tonight, I saw one posted for the last PPV.

http://www.atdhe.net/

I found out that Sweden has no server extradition laws - meaning this will not come down.

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#95 Greg MC
February 03 2009, 02:32PM
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Guaranteed contracts + big egos (you need some ego to be successful IMO)= smile and cash your cheque (they probably have direct deposit now). I guess it depends on each individual's motivation in combination with skills and opportunity to how they perform. I don't know anyone who truly likes to be critized but a big pay packet surely lessens any blows to your self worth. Oh the fans are upset with my play. Oh well...

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#96 Mike Krushelnyski
February 03 2009, 02:33PM
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@ Deep Oil:

Wow, that site is fantastic, thanks for pointing that out. Now I can watch midweek soccer games at work!

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#97 OvenChicken8
February 03 2009, 03:00PM
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RobinB wrote:

The way some people talk, you’d think players spend a lot of time reading fan sites and losing sleep over what people say about them.

/sarcasm "What? They don't! That's just ricockulous."

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#98 knobert
February 03 2009, 03:07PM
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Thanks for the link Deep, that and your posts are cracking me up!! Take er easy in DR

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#99 shakey
February 03 2009, 03:09PM
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@ RobinB: I didn't believe that fans were responsible for a players failures for a second...I was questioning Rice's comments above where he seems to think our expectations affect the way they play here. I know if I was making a million plus a year I'd spend my time surfing fan sites looking for approval.

Thanks for the response.

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#100 Jonathan Willis
February 03 2009, 04:35PM
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RobinB wrote:

Fans responsible for the failure of players who have come here? You’re kidding, right? Truth is, in most cases, players don’t have the first clue, and don’t want to, about what fans think outside of immediate feedback they get in the rink.

I know I sure wouldn't. Let's say I'm Marty Reasoner. I was an offensive threat in college, and a first round pick. I reworked my game, became a complete player, and turned into a pretty decent third-line checker, a good PK'er, and a good faceoff guy. I'm one of the lower-paid guys on the team. I love Edmonton and leave it all on the ice.

Then I go home and read about what a loser I am.

I can't imagine wading into the morass if I were a player - too many people way out to lunch, and too many people who passionately support their guy over me.

I'd leave it alone, and not think much of it.

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