A fine mess

Robin Brownlee
February 20 2009 12:08PM

Was Ethan Moreau doing what a captain had to do against the Dallas Stars Thursday, or did the E-Train look like he'd come off the rails by taking selfish, boneheaded penalties that led to a costly 4-2 loss at the American Airlines Center?

In a melee sparked by Steve Ott's blindside of Tom Gilbert -- a hit that prompted Moreau to, first, pile on Ott after Dwayne Roloson and Laddy Smid had already responded, and, second, to flail away at Dallas defenceman Nicklas Grossman -- my vote is for the latter.

Five minutes to Moreau for losing it, none to Grossman for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As far as Moreau's double-minor, one for tripping and another for roughing, that led to the eventual winning goal by Fabian Brunnstrom early in the second period, same thing.

Tripping? OK. A headlock and the stinky glove? Not so much. Not at all, in fact. Stupid penalties. Selfish penalties. Nothing to do with playing tough. Nothing to do with leadership. And nothing to do with the tough, honest hockey Moreau has made a career on.

Leadership?

Of course, not everybody sees it the way I do. Long-time Oiler fan and journalist David Staples, at the Cult of Hockey at The Journal, saw Moreau's ill-timed fits of temper as some sort of Messier Moment:

"Whatever the Oilers did wrong in the past, they responded properly this time, first with goalie feisty Dwayne Roloson coming in to give Ott a bash, then with snarly Ladislav Smid jumping on the guy, and finally with the fierce captain, Ethan Moreau, piling on and punching Ott in the head. It did my heart well, I tell you. For once, the Oilers looked like a team, as opposed to a collection of paycheque men."

As you'd expect, Craig MacTavish didn't take issue with Moreau's response, either. Said MacTavish: "There's nobody that does it better than Steve Ott. He picks his spots. He's an effective player. We did have the right response on the hit on Gibby, but it was a Steve Ott-type game."

Sorry, coach, no sale. The right response? Throwing punches at Grossman, who kept his gloves on (yet managed to end up on top of Moreau) and taking the extra five?

It's not the first time Moreau has taken ill-timed, costly penalties this season, so he doesn't get a pass for a one-off. While I'm not in the camp of people yelling for Moreau to be stripped of the captaincy, let's get real here. Moreau lost his temper. He took stupid penalties on two different occasions that led to the Oilers losing a game they had to win.

Correct me if I’m wrong

  • Shouldn't fans who think it would be a great move for the Oilers to acquire Alexei Kovalev from Montreal at least find out why the Habs chose to sit their best player at a critical point in the season before they jump to conclusions? Arguments about whether Kovalev would help in the stretch drive aside -- he certainly would, if he felt like it -- it would seem prudent to find out what the issues are before clamouring for Steve Tambellini to pull the trigger on anything, no?
  • While Dwayne Roloson has performed better than I thought he could or would since Mathieu Garon was traded, MacTavish is now in the position of having to ride the 39-year-old all the way to the finish line. It's 14 straight starts and counting. The wheels have to fall off Roli, don't they?
  • Saturday's game against Calgary will get the obligatory hype we've come to expect, but the Oilers aren't catching the Flames for the Northwest Division title. Not a chance. I agree with what MacTavish suggested several weeks ago: I see the Oilers playoff hopes hinging on the three games they have remaining against the Minnesota Wild. If I'm the Oilers, I'm more worried about the Wild, who have two games in hand, than Anaheim.
  • While there's been the suggestion Tambellini will wait until closer to the trade deadline to make any moves, I believe the return of Fernando Pisani next week could set things in motion. Just a gut feeling on that front.

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#51 Dennis
February 20 2009, 03:29PM
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RB: I can tell you one thing it's certainly Not about: a fair fight when my comments are deleted and yours aren't:)

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#52 Robin B
February 20 2009, 03:33PM
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@ Dennis: Life ain't fair, Dennis, or you'd have the press pass you'd have given your left nut for by now. Pity.

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#53 Kid
February 20 2009, 03:36PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Kid wrote: I know it would take more then just Cole but Jones is the type of dman we need more of and Van reimsdyk would be a great prospect to have. Dude, Van Riemsdyk was the #2 pick in ‘07. It’ll take a LOT more than Cole to get him.
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#54 shakey
February 20 2009, 03:39PM
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@ socaldave: @ Dennis: He's a Captain on the Oilers. History shows all Oiler captains get traded. Is Moreau next? I don't know. I'm not ready to get him a spot on the Fire MacT wagon but he needs to face the music for his actions the same way others on the team have had to. I know he gets some leeway because he's a vet and captain but it is a bad example when so many of his mistakes are selfish and most of the younger guys mistakes come from learning how to be a pro.

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#55 Kid
February 20 2009, 03:40PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Kid wrote: I know it would take more then just Cole but Jones is the type of dman we need more of and Van reimsdyk would be a great prospect to have. Dude, Van Riemsdyk was the #2 pick in ‘07. It’ll take a LOT more than Cole to get him.

I think you are wrong. Van Reimsdyk has not worked out in philly and I am sure they are shopping him around from what I read on tsn.ca and I dont think it would take a goalie to get him.

Philly needs to make a run this year and have a really good chance if they get the right players in there and to do that they will have to give up on players like Van Reimsdyk to do so.

Your right it will take more the cole but not a LOT more.

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#56 Dennis
February 20 2009, 03:46PM
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RB: No worries, son:) Don't blow out your rotator cuff patting yourself on back or anything.

There's no doubt I am envious of the access for sure but while I wouldn't say I'm the most principled guy in the world or anything:) I'd certainly have a hard time spending my time selling s-it as sugar and then going off when someone called on the labeling:)

If that's what it takes to work in the factory, have at it but just don't blow up the BP gauge when you've got guys outside picketing:)

I'd lay down a witty snap to dot this 'I' but it would all go for censored naught:)

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#57 Tyler
February 20 2009, 03:48PM
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Robin B wrote:

@ Dennis: Life ain’t fair, Dennis, or you’d have the press pass you’d have given your left nut for by now. Pity.

That hardly makes him unique. Most of the local media gave 'em both to the Oilers in exchange for a press pass.

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#58 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
February 20 2009, 03:54PM
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@ Tyler:

OUCHHHH!!!! I love it!

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#59 Ender the Dragon
February 20 2009, 03:57PM
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Colin wrote:

Any chance Moreau might get shipped out? He’s the kind of “gritty” player that contending teams like to add for playoff drives, would have some value.

I wonder about this too. On the one hand, having one less player taking dumb penalties can only be a good thing. On the other hand, there was a lack of cohesiveness in the locker room until only a few weeks ago when 'someone' called a players meeting and started down the path to righting the ship. We haven't won every game since then, but we have been better and we've played as a team. If that 'someone' was the Captain, then I worry about what potential impact his loss has on the team chemistry. If that 'someone' was someone else, then bring on the fourth round pick and let's get on with life.

The bottom line is that even though Ethan Moreau has been praised for all of the 'intangibles' he brings to the game, they are offset by an equal number of other things that don't show up on the scoreboard such as PIM. He's a fourth-line plugger being asked to play above his abilities because he can be very defensively responsible when he's on the ice instead of in the box. If all we're giving up is Moreau the Forward and nothing more, we can survive without him and maybe even be better for it. If however, he's the invisible glue that's holding the room together, trading him now might just get us that lottery draft pick that so many people are hoping for instead of a first-round date with the Sharks or the Wings.

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#60 I'm a Scientist!
February 20 2009, 04:03PM
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Dennis wrote:

RB: I can tell you one thing it’s certainly Not about: a fair fight when my comments are deleted and yours aren’t:)

I kind of feel like Dennis is giving a Moreau to RB...hauling him out of a pile to pound him for no reason... Whoopdee doo. Whoop-pidddy---doooo.

I'm a Scientist!

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#61 Zamboni Driver
February 20 2009, 04:04PM
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Tyler wrote:

Robin B wrote: @ Dennis: Life ain’t fair, Dennis, or you’d have the press pass you’d have given your left nut for by now. Pity. That hardly makes him unique. Most of the local media gave ‘em both to the Oilers in exchange for a press pass.

No disrespect to our in-house media dudes, but I gotta say that was pretty good.

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#62 Redness
February 20 2009, 04:05PM
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@ Robin:

I agree with you. Ethan Moreau simply lost his temper out there. And yes, his actions did likely cost the Oilers the game. But as much as he looked like a lunatic out there last night, in my opinion, IT WAS NECESSARY! Not the hooking or the lazy penalties. But the "I'm going to rip your head off" penalties. It is well documented that this team lacks emotion on the ice. But last night Moreau brought it. Reminds me of the time you gave it to Warrior on Team 1260! Sometimes it is just necessary...right Robin?

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#63 Dennis
February 20 2009, 04:07PM
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All the kids seem to revere Souray so I don't think we'd miss 18's leadership.

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#64 shakey
February 20 2009, 04:08PM
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@ Ender the Dragon: In the long run isn't the lottery draft pick better for the Oilers? Unlike most of my old first dates...in the first-round version, someone from Edmonton will most likely be getting f**ked.

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#65 Robin B
February 20 2009, 04:10PM
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@ Zamboni Driver: It was. But part of the reason I can smile when Tyler does it is because there's not only some truth to it, he brings more to the comments section than an agenda.

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#66 Robin B
February 20 2009, 04:12PM
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@ Redness: Well yes, sometimes it does feel good, but I wasn't in a 2-2 game at the time . . .

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#67 David Staples
February 20 2009, 04:14PM
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@Tyler. I suspect you even had Robin laughing at that Oscar Wilde of a shot.

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#68 Bob Cob
February 20 2009, 04:15PM
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Rick wrote:

Assuming that you are talking about the Ott incident (if not, stop reading), the hit was on Gilbert not Smid. Smid actually jumped Ott before Moreau piled on.

My bad, I didn't see the hit that started the whole thing, good thing Gilbert wasn't hurt, cant afford to lose him. I still think Smid has to do a better job keeping his head up, he still seems to get ran over more than anyone else.

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#69 Robin B
February 20 2009, 04:18PM
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David Staples wrote:

@Tyler. I suspect you even had Robin laughing at that Oscar Wilde of a shot.

Yes, and, however briefly, I thought of you . . .

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#70 Redness
February 20 2009, 04:24PM
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@ Robin

You're hilarious...

Great website. Big fan of your work.

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#71 David Staples
February 20 2009, 04:25PM
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I knew I should have kept my mouth shut and my nose outta here . . . :)

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#72 Ender the Dragon
February 20 2009, 04:26PM
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@ shakey:

Depends on your perspective. If you're a long-term, accounting-type guy, then I'd say yeah, once sixth place is out of reach, tank 'em all and take next year's star.

I'm not that patient, though; waiting another 3 seasons for the new crop to mature and hoping that things will all be better then just isn't in my blood. The year we almost won it all, we squeaked into eighth-place that year too; it almost worked out. I'd rather build my playoff draft with the (admittedly, usually silly) option of selecting Oilers rather than waiting for us to become the 'Juggernaut that is Shark' or the next incarnation of the Red Wings. Get the ticket to the dance is how I roll. Once you're there, anything can happen.

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#73 Peter Pan
February 20 2009, 04:33PM
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Kovalev to E-town? Why? Don't we have enough floaters around here?

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#74 Robin B
February 20 2009, 04:37PM
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Peter Pan wrote:

Kovalev to E-town? Why? Don’t we have enough floaters around here?

I'm on the record as not being a big Kovalev fan, but he's been pretty good in playoffs. The problem is getting in if he does one of his five-game disappearing acts.

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#75 shakey
February 20 2009, 04:37PM
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@ Ender the Dragon: I see your point Ender but what if you get that ticket to the dance and before you get to 'Stairway to Heaven' so you can grind some sweet thing on the dance floor, you take an upper-cut to the chin from the star Quarterback and it's all over for you. Was it worth it then? Will it be worth it 2 months after when you're supposed to pick up your door prize from the dance and instead of a chance at the top 5 prizes, you get to pick the 9th best prize and you have a history having a hard time picking quality door prizes?

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#76 Smokin' Ray
February 20 2009, 04:39PM
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Milli wrote:

I have always thought Moreau was a great choice for the C. At the time, he was the guy, there was no doubt. From what I see today, Souray is the leader. But, does that mean he should get the C, I say no. Moreau was a team leader long before he had the C. If Moreau is dealt, then yes, it seems like the natural choice. More of a concern is the lack of scoring on this team, and with the dmen who are injured, a real problem.

Moreau was not the best choice at the time. He was given the C was because Jason Smith told MacT that he should be captain. Ryan Smyth was a way better choice at that time. Heck, even Jarrett Stoll was a better choice. You can't argue that!

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#77 Fiveandagame
February 20 2009, 04:39PM
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@ Robin B: Robin B wrote:

David Staples wrote: @Tyler. I suspect you even had Robin laughing at that Oscar Wilde of a shot. Yes, and, however briefly, I thought of you . . .

Now THAT was funny!

HA HA HA!

Great Post Mr. Brownlee. Moreau owed the entire team an apology after last nights game.

Darren Dreger Reports that the Avs are looking to dump salary and cited Smyth as being on the block despite his no movement clause.

Due to Kevin Lowe's sellers remorse after the whole Smyth debacle was done, could you see the Oilers making a pitch for the Mullet man and his 6.25 mil cap hit? ( Cole would have to go, but if we took picks in return we add no salary)

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#78 Robin B
February 20 2009, 04:42PM
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@ Fiveandagame: Don't see it, but I haven't asked specifically about it. The Oilers don't need that contract and Smyth is a player on the decline.

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#79 Ender the Dragon
February 20 2009, 04:54PM
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shakey wrote:

. . . what if you get that ticket to the dance and . . . you take an upper-cut to the chin from the star Quarterback . . . Was it worth it then?

Everyone will have different answers to this, but if you're asking me, then 'yes'.

If a genie offered me this deal;

You can have the Oil in the playoffs 9 out of the next 10 years, but they'll never seed higher than seventh; how they do in those post-seasons is a secret;

or

You can have then finish last or second-last in the conference for the coming five years, followed by 5 years of seeding first or second in the playoffs. Again, playoff results are a secret.

The catch? You have to be a fan and watch all of the games every year, not just the years in which we are winning; that's bandwagon, man, and we don't do bandwagon at the Nation.

What's my choice?

I'll take the guarenteed playoff seats, baby. Any number-1 seed can fall in the first round, injuries or no. Ask the Sharks or the Senators. To me, all I need is a seat on the ride and I define that as a successful season. Second round? Duking it out with the Flames for a chance at the Conference final? How could you pass up a shot at that?

Was it worth it?

Absolutely. Better to have loved and lost, Baby, than never to have loved at all.

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#80 Smokin' Ray
February 20 2009, 04:55PM
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So let me get this right. We are willing to deal our #2 line? (Cole and Nilsson) Then what for next year? Schremp? jk. Cogliano goes back to there? What is the plan, because even offering up a huge ransom to players won't guarantee that they will come. (eg:Hossa)

But seriously... That's what, about 5 million we will send away? Then what is the plan here? I'm sure all Oilers fans want to know. Tambo? KLowe? Anyone?

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#81 Fiveandagame
February 20 2009, 05:05PM
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@ Robin B:

Thats what I was thinking. His age and price are steep and make Horcoff look like a steal. The only plus side is Smyth has playoff experience with the Oilers. My worry is does nostalgia cloud the minds of the management on this team and make them think that for some reason Ryan Smyth and his 30 goals a year are worth 6.25 mil.... But nostaglia never influences these guys right?....Right?....oh dear god....

It's worrisome, if it was the last year of the deal I could see it happening but he's locked up at this huge price for 4 more years I think.

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#82 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
February 20 2009, 05:05PM
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In 2 years we have to dump salary. Horcoff or Gilbert will have to move. I dont see any way around that if we want to land a star player.

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#83 Robin B
February 20 2009, 05:11PM
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@ Fiveandagame: Three more years for $16.5 million.

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#84 shakey
February 20 2009, 05:11PM
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@ Ender the Dragon: Ender, I've been a fan since 99 was around and I was a fan during the Shane Corson days and I'm still a fan today so I can proudly say I am not a bandwagon fan. I've seen the best and I've seen the worst but this sneaking into the playoffs every 3rd year is not what I want from my team. I don't want them to finish last for draft picks but at some point there has to be more than just barely making it.

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#85 Peter Pan
February 20 2009, 05:26PM
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@ Robin:

You are in the know, so answer this for me if you will:

If the rumour of trading Cole may actually be true, what would the Oil be looking for in return? Latest rumours please.

Thanks

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#86 Robin B
February 20 2009, 05:34PM
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@ Peter Pan: Sorry, can't help you. Won't be talking to Lowe or Tambellini or making any phone calls until at least tomorrow.

As for rumours, from insane to amusing, they're out there for everybody to read. Unless they're written by a legit MSM beat guy or columnist (and sometimes even then) I don't put much stock in them.

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#87 Kid
February 20 2009, 05:40PM
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@ Robin B

hey robin what do you think aboput what I posted earlyer? Would love to hear what you think about Van Reimsdyk and Jones as well as if you think there is any chance we might go after ktachuck.

Big Fan of your work for alot of years and happy to see you writing here.

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#88 Chris
February 20 2009, 05:45PM
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I was very much against trading Ryan Smyth. While I still maintain Lowe made a mistake, I think it would be a bigger mistake to bring Smyth back. Why accept an older, more jaded Ryan Smyth at a 6.25mil cap hit when we could have had him all along for 5.5? As fan's we have already endured the twenty game losing streak; We have put up with repeatedly missing the playoffs; We watched Lowe pay through the nose to grab RFA Penner... There has already been too much water under the bridge. You can't undo a mistake...

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#89 Ender the Dragon
February 20 2009, 05:47PM
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@ shakey:

Barely making it every third year and finishing out of the dance in between? I agree, that's unacceptable. But that would speak to issues far beyond the annual choice between deciding whether to enter the playoff race or rebuilding mode. I believe that any reasonably-run team should be able to consistently finish the regular season middle-of-the-pack, and in this era middle-of-the-pack gets you into the playoffs almost every year (with an occasional ninth saying 'Ooooo, really close, sorry try again.').

Should the Oilers have been better than they are over the past 3.5 seasons since the lockout? Many would argue yes, that one year as unlikely conference champs doesn't buy the right to finish in 11th and 9th in the following seasons. Factoring in the (unbelievably horrible) injuries in 06-07, that alone begs extenuating circumstances. Adding in the hole we've been forced to dig out of by losing 'the spawn of Satan' to the Ducks in an unavoidable and unbalanced trade, improving to ninth last year was an accomplishment, if still dissapointing.

With these bumps in the road behind us, is it reasonable to expect Oilers management to put together a team each season capable of beating half the teams in the league consistantly and getting us into the playoffs almost every year? I expect that. I've been patient for two years, and I understand why we finished where we did. I am not prepared to enter rebuilding mode at this point. Bring me my round-one opponent. That's not asking too much.

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#90 Robin B
February 20 2009, 05:53PM
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@ Kid: Van Riemsdyk hasn't worked out in Philly? He was drafted in 2007. Hasn't torn it up at UNH, but he's not even 20 yet. Too early to know. Might be another Hugh Jessiman, might be a keeper. Randy Jones? What does he bring that the Oilers need? Tkachuk? Not a chance.

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#91 Kid
February 20 2009, 06:46PM
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@ Robin B:

I agree with you on Van Reimsdyk he is too early to tell but 2 training camps and still hasnt made that team I would think he hasnt worked out the way philly would have liked. Since they are very close to being able to win the cup they may have to part with him in order to make that next step. They do have alot of good young players and maybe willing to part with him. (would have to be a sign and trade with cole most likly + prospects)

Jones looks alot less attractive now that I see he makes 3mil next year. I though he was a ufa at the end of the year when I posted that. (should have looked before posting).

Ktachuck I feel is the only player on the market that would complement Hempsky really well. He is a ufa at the end of the year and if we do stay in the mix of the playoff race come march he may be the most reasonably priced player on the market that could come in and work out well with Hempsky. Thats just how I feel.

Why do you think Not a chance?

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#92 Chris
February 20 2009, 07:14PM
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Kid wrote:

Why do you think Not a chance?

Tkackuk is old, slow, and fat. I still cry myself to sleep when I think about how we didn't get Vanek.

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#93 99thOilfan
February 20 2009, 07:38PM
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I often think of # 18 leadership... Is it really there ? Others must of thought so, as he is our Capt, in a long line of good Capt's...

I have always thought, that his must be a steady rock of a guy in the dressing room...that is why we are having a hard time with his leadership, ON the ice....

Right ? Anyone ?

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#94 Chris
February 20 2009, 08:34PM
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I questioned Moreau's Captaincy early this December and had my head bit off by all who replied... How times have changed. With the team floundering and fans dividing blame between MacT and the players I thought it curious that team leadership was not being questioned. Ironically, player only meetings before the All-Star break resulted in improved performance. I no longer question the ability of Moreau unite the group...

Yes Chopper takes a lot of penalties. He's called CHOPPER for a reason. We cry that this team is soft; then crucify the players who skate that fine line. Everyone knows the second minor (roughing) against Moreau was B.S. One player out of that meelee...ONE? Really Ref? Let's get back to complaining about the poor P.K., the fact that half the lineup is cookie dough soft, and the kids still aren't scoring.

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#95 Robin B
February 20 2009, 09:11PM
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Kid wrote:

but 2 training camps and still hasnt made that team I would think he hasnt worked out the way philly would have liked.

So, you're going to stick with your story. He's a college kid. They don't expect him to stick and come out of school after two camps, one of which is a courtesy invite the September following his draft. You can insist on working off this premise, but it's flawed, so anything else that follows is as well. Sorry. Walt is all about Walt. He's not a fit here.

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#96 Bruce
February 20 2009, 09:22PM
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Robin B wrote:

A 12-2 split, as an example, in that same stretch is still qalifies as going with your No. 1 guy, but you’re at least building in breaks. Sooner or later giving Roloson morning skates off isn’t going to keep him sharp and fresh.

No kidding. It isn't rocket science to pick out the gaems either; twice we had three in four days with the middle game against a Western Conference powerhouse, Detroit and San Jose, the other two games against playoff position contenders. Both times MacT started Roli in all three games. Both times Oilers lost both that game against the powerhouse, and the next game.

Tyler wrote:

it’s understandable to me that if his job’s on the line and he’s got a choice between rolling the dice on a tired Roli or an untrustworthy JDD, his intentions of playing JDD more might lose out.

If we're likely to lose the game anyway I'd rather lose it with the untrustworthy JDD and have a fresh Roli for the game we need. Those two softies last night were the work of a tired goalie, and it's not like he stole us any points in the Shark Tank.

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#97 Elaine
February 20 2009, 10:08PM
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I watch all the Oilers games on Satellite and on Sportsnet. I too think Moreau takes a lot of stupid and selfish penalties BUT so do a number of the Oilers. To put it bluntly, the Oilers on most nights SUCK. I also have a concern with Jeff Deslaurier as to how the Oilers have handled his pro career so far. First they had no farm team to develop him and now he sits game after game. I understand he isn't a NHL starter so why not send him down and if you lose him so what, you have probably already lost him with the way he has been handled. Hard to develop when you never play.

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#98 yo
February 20 2009, 11:12PM
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Regarding Kovalev in E-town: Based on drafted players and players received in trades I don't have a lot of confidence in any previous ties between Lowe, McT or Kovalev bearing any kind of tangible fruit this year or any other for that matter. Oh migosh! Corrupt, lazy, tempermental, their-word-doesn't-mean-a-damn-thing Russian athletes...where have we seen this before? (Ovie excluded because the jury may still be out on him)

Broken record or not my best hope is Lowe and McT ride off into the sunset sooner than later. Katz goes to therapy to rid himself of 1980's Oiler man-love and Tambelini is able to make this organization his own. If Daum and Tambelini can get the AHL/ECHL teams operating smoothly, training the minor league talent to see what in fact we do have on the farm things may start to turn around. Prendergast might have some use but there is a big greasy cloud hanging over his head in my view.

I almost think they should blow it all up but why not move out just the guys who are responsible for all of the gaffs and blunders and let Tambo hire his own coach and see what kind of people he can attract. I think our current GM has a certain currency in his reputation in hockey especially in the West Kootenays. His family has a solid reputation as well, back to his father and brothers. Steve Tambellini on his worst day can't be any worse than Kevin Lowe and his group of highly paid clods amd their now questionable legacy.

Right at this moment for me Kevin Lowe's banner in Rexall has a great big shit stain right in the middle of it.

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#99 Smokin' Ray
February 20 2009, 11:27PM
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Chris wrote:

Everyone knows the second minor (roughing) against Moreau was B.S. One player out of that meelee…ONE? Really Ref?

Not sure what game you were watching, but Moreau deserved that 2nd penalty as well. He takes a penalty (tripping) and knows it. The whistle blows. He looks at the Ref. And then Moreau is the 1st one to provoke the brouhaha by grabbing (can't remember)and giving him a facewash. Tell me how that should have been coincidental penalty? Who from Dallas wanted to start something? No one... Just Moreau.

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#100 Smokin' Ray
February 20 2009, 11:59PM
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Upon actually looking up the stats, I wonder... why not Smyth? If he's on the declne, then what does that say about our team then? Or are we just on the rise?

Our team as of today:

2008-2009 Regular Season SKATERS: GP G A +/- Pts A. Hemsky 48 18 32 3 50 S. Horcoff 56 14 25 9 39 S. Souray 57 15 22 -6 37 T. Gilbert 58 3 31 5 34 L. Visnovsky 50 8 23 6 31 D. Penner 56 14 15 1 29 A. Cogliano 58 13 16 -7 29 D. Grebeshkov 51 4 21 7 25 E. Cole 58 13 10 -6 23 E. Moreau 57 12 9 -3 21

Ryan Smyth as of today:

2008-2009 Regular Season SKATERS: GP G A +/- Pts R. Smyth 59 20 29 -6 49

So he's one point behind Hemsky and 10 points ahead of Horcoff. Hmmmm...

Yeah... we don't need a guy like that. We need another plugger with no heart and drive.

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