Enough already

Robin Brownlee
February 03 2009 11:24PM

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“You have to get better from the inside. We have to get better as a group (and) individually. That’s the only way you’ll be able to sustain something… it’s difficult. Teams are looking for energy players. Teams are looking for defencemen. They’re looking for top-six forwards." -- GM Steve Tambellini, Feb. 2, 2009

Tambellini doesn't need advice from me, but having watched yet another emotionless, flat stinker by the Edmonton Oilers that wasn't nearly as close on the ice as it was on score board in a 3-1 loss to the Chicago Blackhawks, he's going to get some.

With 50 games in the books, getting better from the inside isn't working. It's time to go outside. It's time to get on the telephone. It's time to make a trade to shake up a team clearly incapable of generating the emotion and intensity it's going to take to secure a playoff spot in the next 32 games.

What? Rob Schremp is going to make a difference? Tim Sestito? How about the players in the dressing room now? Ethan Moreau? Shawn Horcoff? Tom Gilbert? Dustin Penner? Liam Reddox? Uh,no.

How much more of what the people who pay to get into Rexall Place have seen in recent days does Tambellini have to contemplate before he realizes this team isn't good enough to make the playoffs?

It doesn't need to be a blockbuster because that's probably pie-in-the-sky stuff -- unless Tambellini wants blow his wad and put everybody except Ales Hemsky on the table and see what happens -- but it needs to be a trade to inject some enthusiasm, balls, jam, brass, whatever you want to call it, into a team profoundly lacking in it. If some of those qualities come attached to a mean-as-hell shut down defenceman or a proven penalty killer, all the better.

Don't wait for the deadline. Do it now.

Tick, tick, tick...

The Oilers play seven of their next eight games on the road, they've lost three of their last four games and they're packing for stops in St. Louis, Detroit and Minnesota without Lubomir Visnovsky.

They're 25-22-3 and sitting in ninth place as they jump a jet for the Show Me State. They have absolutely no chance, none, of finishing these next eight games that high in the standings with this group of players.

For those who fancy firing coach Craig MacTavish as their default solution, let's get off that, shall we? That isn't going to happen right now. It isn't going to happen next week. It isn't going to happen until after a move's been made to shake this line-up from the comfort zone it’s clearly fallen into. How else do you explain another heartless effort against the Blackhawks?

So, let's dispense with the drama and make a move, or moves, now. With all of the time Tambellini's spent on the phone, he's got a pretty good picture of what's out there and who's available -- even if he isn't letting on. Can't get Jason Spezza out of Ottawa via the big deal route in a swap of bad contracts for Horcoff as part of a package? Fine. Add somebody who competes. Send a message. Shake it up.

I get it that patience is a virtue. I get it that it's better to make a deal from a position of strength. But with this group of players so obviously content with mediocrity, the only position the Oilers are destined to assume between now and the NHL trade deadline involves grabbing ones ankles.

It's time to make a deal.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6pm on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 Colin
February 04 2009, 12:10PM
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Traktor wrote:

Shawn Horcoff - Not playing up to potential Erik Cole - Not playing up to potential Sam Gagner - Not playing up to potential Dustin Penner - Not playing up to potential Robert Nilsson - Not playing up to potential Marc Pouliot - Not playing up to potential Kyle Brodziak - Not playing up to potential Lupul - Did not play up to potential Piktkanen - Did not play up to potential Torres - Did not play up to potential Stoll - Did not play up to potential Brownlee’s solution: We need more players! We need more player that wont live up to expectations! Brilliant!!

To be honest while Robin's insight is appreciated his solution doesn't matter, Tambo's solution is the one that matters and he's said it's a trade before anything else.

Why you are wasting your time ripping on one of the better contributers on this site and the Oilers/hockey in general (which is more than you can say for yourself) when he's not the fish. If you want MacT gone you could at least rip the guy whose choice that is instead of a guy offering his opinion and analysis.

Immature, juvenille and pathetic and not in the fun way.

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#52 OB
February 04 2009, 12:20PM
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Tambi is Lowe's sock puppet. Nothing more. He won't make any moves as that would prove Lowe's incompetence over the last year.

As long as Lowe is running this ship, it will continue to take on water; I guess Katz could care less that his team has no drive or will to win.

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#53 Teufel
February 04 2009, 12:20PM
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I agree. Bringing in a superstar may help in the short term but if you look at Ottawa, Colorado, Tampa Bay and Pittburgh, it's obvious that it takes more than talented high priced goal scorers to field a highly competitive team. It would be great to bring in someone to contribute on the first line, but not at the risk of giving up on the team's future.

I think it's important for the Oilers to be competitive and right now the team is really inconsistent. There needs to be 2-3 more veteran players in key positions to take some of the workload off the younger guys and to not have to rely on them so heavily during their developmental years. It's tough to watch young guys play poorly, but give them time to learn to play at the NHL level and we'll have a really good team a few years from now. It took Hemsky 3 years to score more than 34 points. Guerin took 5 or 6 to hit 50. It took Ryan Smyth roughly 6 years to start contributing consistently.

I think a lot of players on the team are being targeted by fans unfairly right now. Young guys need a few seasons to develop and the few veterans we do have are being relied upon too heavily and need help to be able to bring more stability and consistency to the team. Hopefully Tambo can make a move or two to help the team today, without messing up the team 2-3 years from now.

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#54 David S
February 04 2009, 12:21PM
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Colin wrote:

Why you are wasting your time ripping on one of the better contributers on this site and the Oilers/hockey in general (which is more than you can say for yourself) when he’s not the fish. If you want MacT gone you could at least rip the guy whose choice that is instead of a guy offering his opinion and analysis.

He got torn a new one over at LT's for the same combative crap before he settled down and became a decent contributor to the comments section. Some people actually thrive on trolling. Why I don't know, but they do.

Traktor - you do know being a dick isn't cool, right?

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#55 TDSM31
February 04 2009, 12:24PM
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Rick wrote:

@ Traktor: What are those guy’s potential? Could it be that some of them aren’t talented enough, others don’t work hard enough and some just aren’t that good? Mind you I am sure their pt/60 stats will show some of them as some of the besterest players in the league so I may be mistaken on that.

Traktor...Traktor....hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, you were on Senatorsnation.com spouting your propaganda to have their coaches fired as well. Good advice.

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#56 RBK
February 04 2009, 12:25PM
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Traktor wrote:

Brownlee’s solution: We need more players! We need more player that wont live up to expectations! Brilliant!!

Holy Traktor. What rock did you crawl out from under and why did you pick this site to start spouting crap on? It's Brownlee's fault that the Oilers aren't playing well? That's a bit of a stretch.

You are probably one of the biggest idiots I have ever read. And I read Wanye Gretz daily when he has the kindness to grace us with an article. (Hint hint)

Seriously though traktor. Piss off.

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#57 Deep Oil
February 04 2009, 12:27PM
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OB wrote:

Tambi is Lowe’s sock puppet. Nothing more. He won’t make any moves as that would prove Lowe’s incompetence over the last year. As long as Lowe is running this ship, it will continue to take on water; I guess Katz could care less that his team has no drive or will to win.

I agree - finally some people that are questioning both (bad contract) Lowe and (silent) Katz - anyone else care to way in ?

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#58 JRocks247
February 04 2009, 12:35PM
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You know what the oil need? A face off winning center who's good at killing penalties....like...Jarret Stoll. A heavy hitting D man who's got room to grow....umm..like Matt Greene A skating, hitting fourth liner that brings it every shift...kinda like that guy in Calgary...Glencross i think is his name. I like Vishy but his contract is rediculous and are we really that much better as a team?...hmm

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#59 oilerbear
February 04 2009, 12:35PM
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wat wrote:

@ B-rad: Penner opted not to follow through on a check in the first period and was booed by the crowd.

Penner and Brodziak were our best forwards. The Chicago annoncers commented on how hard a time the Hawks were having with that line.

The rest were an embarrassment. Hemsky missed the dmen shading to penner in around the net. Nilsson provided no prescence. Chicago was able to key on Horcoff and Hemsky. Lead to nasty hits on Hemsky, and alot of transition turnovers by Horc and Hemsky.

Cole: was his usual half drive to the net and lose the puck. But he did make some hits that got him out of positionand forced him to chase the puck.

Gagner: is reverting back to his play at the start of the year. Dipsy doodle get nothing done.

Potulny: not the fastest skater but played smart set up gagner for an easy finnish. Won puck battles. (so MacT sat him)

Moreau: scored a flukey goal. Drove the net and put on his passing blinders. Does not know the other players exist. Puck died there usual death with him. Plus took a stupid penalty that lead to a goal. On the ice for another goal.

Pouliot: Was he playing

Cogliano: used his speed, but moreau never saw him and pouliot was invisible. the young man needs better linemates.

If MacT is a coach who rewards good play then the line-ups should be this in St.louis:

Penner-Brodziak-Hemsky Cogliano-Horcoff-Nilsson Smac-Potulny-Cole Moreau-Gagner-Storitini

With Brodziak/Horcoff/Hemmsky double shiftingfor Smac most of the game.

If he doesn't do this at least bag skate everyone but Penner, Brodziak, and Storitini.

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#60 oilerbear
February 04 2009, 12:42PM
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RobinB wrote:

@ Traktor: Back for some more, eh? What an insightful contribution. I’ve got a lunch date, so I can’t light you up again right now. But, if anybody else around here wants to take a turn telling this Traktor knucklehead off, be my guest.

What you really means is:

1. There is no arguement to the points you make. 2. Thank heavens Willis and Gretz carry me in this blog Cause I couldn't hold my last job.

Traktor pretty much bang on but Brodziak has 7 goals and 5 Assists playing with Strudwick and Storitini. Plus he has taken 100 more defensive faceoffs than Horcoff. Off night for him faceoff wise. But he is turning into Horcoff #2.

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#61 Traktor
February 04 2009, 12:43PM
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"Traktor…Traktor….hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, you were on Senatorsnation.com spouting your propaganda to have their coaches fired as well. Good advice."

Really? Considering I've never been on "Senatorsnation" I find that hard to believe.

Besides, anyone with a half brain knows Murray is the problem in Ottawa.

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#62 Chris
February 04 2009, 12:47PM
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We are in a no trade league... but how can we "build from within" when Lowe / Predergast have only been able to draft one (YES ONE) legit first line player during their entire tenure? *Please note that playing Horcoff and Reddox on the first line does NOT make them first line players* (Also I believe Horcoff was drafted BEFORE the KLowe reign of continued mediocrity took hold)

Apologists, like Willis, will point to the number of games played by Oiler draft picks as evidence we have been drafting well... But I say, the product on the ice at RX1, and at the farm proves that we don't. Our D-men are fine. Q-How many of them did Lowe / Predergast draft? A-NONE OF THEM. Other than Hemsky; what Oiler player drafted by Lowe/ Predergast has scored regularly this season? This group of players have scored not one measly goal in the last seven games... And only two goals in the last ten. (Reddox and Gagner) This team has built JACK SQUAT from within for more than twenty years!

P.S. Yes I'm sure guys like Winchester are lighting it up elsewhere... *eyes rolled back in disgust*

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#63 GSC
February 04 2009, 12:54PM
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This is where the Oilers miss Curtis Glencross the most. For a small raise, he could be in the lineup right now delivering exactly what this team desperately lacks: intensity and physicality. The failure to re-sign him has come back to sting Lowe in the rear, as now the club sorely lacks everything that Glencross brings as a player.

Instead, Lowe would rather pay career 2nd centre Horcoff $5.5 MIL to do...what exactly? He'll finish with maybe 50 points, and despite his good defensive play and decent faceoff percentage, it doesn't justify the payment. Neither does $4.25 MIL for Penner, which most of us knew from the get go.

Only when the overpayments for marginal players stop and the Oilers adopt the right sort of organizational mindset in assembling a roster (see: Calgary and their aquisitions of Bourque, Bertuzzi, Glencross, and Cammellieri) will we see this club truly take the next step into being a contender. Until then, mediocrity rules baby!

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#64 GSC
February 04 2009, 12:58PM
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And to add to my previous post, Robin hits the nail on the head when it comes to the need for a trade to shake things up even if it's a minor deal.

The same kind of trade was made last season prior to the Oilers going on their ridiculous run: Tarnstrom for Glencross.

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#65 Ted L
February 04 2009, 01:28PM
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I think everyone can agree that this team has more talent on its roster than at anytime since the days of Messier. This team doesn't need a new coach or a trade (large or small). This team has little chemistry, no heart and no commitment. But most of all it has no confidence! this team needs a psycologist more than anything.

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#66 RBK
February 04 2009, 01:35PM
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Traktor wrote:

“Traktor…Traktor….hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, you were on Senatorsnation.com spouting your propaganda to have their coaches fired as well. Good advice.” Really? Considering I’ve never been on “Senatorsnation” I find that hard to believe. Besides, anyone with a half brain knows Murray is the problem in Ottawa.

I think that was a joke you moron

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#67 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 01:43PM
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Traktor wrote:

Brownlee’s solution: We need more players! We need more player that wont live up to expectations! Brilliant!!

So let me get this straight? It's not the players... It is all MacTavish? So your solution would be to can MacTavish right now and then all these underperforming players will join hands in unity and rise up to the best of their abilities?

It's a dysfunctional organization from top to bottom and getting rid of the coach right now wont fix a damn thing. Guys like Penner, Nilsson and Pouliot that don't show up every night are the problem. Yes MacTavish is a problem with some of his moves also but lack of heart is what is killing this team.

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#68 Rick
February 04 2009, 01:44PM
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Ted L wrote:

This team doesn’t need a new coach or a trade (large or small). This team has little chemistry, no heart and no commitment. But most of all it has no confidence! this team needs a psycologist more than anything.

I recall when MacT was talking about Nilsson last season and he said something to the effect of liking to pick up other teams struggling young guys that have a lot of potential because often when these guys realize that the second opinion on what they need to do to succeed is the same as the first opinion they become much more receptive.

When I look at what frustrates me the most about this club - lack of desire, work ethic, heart and commitment - I wonder if that isn't a similar situation with this team as a whole.

Maybe MacT has to be the sacrifical lamb so that they can bring in a guy to kick garbage cans just to drive home the same message to these guys. I have never been a Tortorella fan but I am wondering if that type of personality isn't what this squad needs.

Mind you when all is said and done, if this is the case then it really doesn't speak very well to the players in the room as professionals because it really shouldn't take a second opinion to get the message accross.

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#69 oilerbear
February 04 2009, 01:49PM
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Chris wrote:

We are in a no trade league… but how can we “build from within” when Lowe / Predergast have only been able to draft one (YES ONE) legit first line player during their entire tenure? *Please note that playing Horcoff and Reddox on the first line does NOT make them first line players* (Also I believe Horcoff was drafted BEFORE the KLowe reign of continued mediocrity took hold) *eyes rolled back in disgust*

In the 11/12 season I would expect our 1st 3 lines to be: Hartikainen(RD6;#163;08)-Gagner(#6;07)-Hemsky(#13;01) Omark(RD4;#97;07)-Horcoff(RD4;#99;98)-Eberle(#22,08) Cogliano(#25;05)-Brodziak(RD7;#214;03)-Pisani(RD8;#195;96)

Seven of the top 9 forwards under Lowe/Pendergast.

Hartikainen: (18yrs) A goal every two games playing 1st line LW at Kalpa Finnish elite league. One of the three stars ever 3rd game.

Gagner: (19yrs) Point a game last half of 07/08 with Penner-Hemsky

Hemsky: Top two in points/game RW in the league.

Omark: (21yrs) Leads SEL in scoring. Only 12 players have been top 10 in sel Scoring at 21.(K. Nilsson, T. Gradin, Mats Naslund, H.Loob, Patrik Sundstrom, Tomas Sandstrom, Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, H.Sedin, D. Sedin, Kristian Huselius, H. Zetterberg.) Intresting list.

Horcoff: Provides 20 minutes of outscoring opponents a night.

Eberle: Projects out to be a 30G 65Pt ceiling. but poor skating could make him another Schremp.

Cogliano: Consistent 20G 50PT forward.

Brodziak: Our current defensive faceoff guy. Top10 in the league at EV offensive production/minute at center in 07/08. Needs talent like Cogliano and Pisani to center. Currently our best PK forward.

Pisani: Consistent 16Goals/season player and ou best PK forward when healthy.

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#70 Sing A Song For SingSing
February 04 2009, 01:52PM
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“You have to get better from the inside. We have to get better as a group (and) individually. That’s the only way you’ll be able to sustain something… it’s difficult. Teams are looking for energy players. Teams are looking for defencemen. They’re looking for top-six forwards.” – GM Steve Tambellini, Feb. 2, 2009

Who is expendable, realistically speaking, on this Edmonton Oilers team?

Who do the fans want to see gone in exchange for a legit player who they think would help the Oilers get over the hump and compete more regularly?

The answer is: there is no answer. Because there is no package of players on this roster you can trade away to get anyone back valuable enough to help turn this team into a contender, or a challenger for the division.

Quite simply, there's too many holes in the line up, and I think Tambo's right. It comes through drafting, building from within and making as much due with what you presently got.

This team needs in no particular order:

-Another top 6 guy (legit) -A veteran in the bottom six (solid 2 way grinder, shoulda been Horcoff lol) -Someone big who plays physical, either in the bottom or top six and can grind it out (shoulda been Penner) -A solid stay at home guy (veteran) on the back end, prefereably under the age of 32. -Don't even get me started on goaltending, it's a mess.

Ideally, Tambelleni needs to trade away a few guys on the team, for prospects or draft picks. Let Cogs and Gagner grow up a bit. This is going to continue to be a tough year for them both in the last half (although Cogs has pretty much delivered all he's been capable of up until now).

I say be patient, suffer now and let the boys play. See what happens. Build from within and continue to develop the young guns... eventually one or maybe two of these younger & smaller guys will have to go in return for some size, cuz the roster is too soft, and too small right now.

No compete.

We can only hope that they trim the fat, and don't do anything stupid along the way. 1 superstar isn't going to help this team, there are too many holes already IMO, and it's going to take an entire off-season to repair the damage done (thanks K Lowe).

Can also hope for a coaching change because the style this team plays is awful, but I don't pin it all on Mac-T because the mix of personnel on the roster is pretty unbalanced as well.

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#71 TDSM31
February 04 2009, 01:58PM
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RBK wrote:

Traktor wrote: “Traktor…Traktor….hmmm, that name sounds familiar. Oh yeah, you were on Senatorsnation.com spouting your propaganda to have their coaches fired as well. Good advice.” Really? Considering I’ve never been on “Senatorsnation” I find that hard to believe. Besides, anyone with a half brain knows Murray is the problem in Ottawa. I think that was a joke you moron

Yep, confirmed...Traktor is a moron.

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#72 Traktor
February 04 2009, 01:58PM
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So let me get this straight?

You couldn't get things straight if Jessica Alba sat on your lap.

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#73 RobinB
February 04 2009, 02:14PM
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Traktor wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: So let me get this straight? You couldn’t get things straight if Jessica Alba sat on your lap.

Do you have anything, anything at all, to contribute or do you just come here to piss people off, act like a 12-year-old and then get slapped down because you're overmatched? Wouldn't it just be easier to make up your own "Kick Me" sign and wander the halls in whatever school it is you took your second year of Grade 10 in? Bugger off, Jackass.

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#74 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 02:23PM
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Traktor wrote:

Travis Dakin wrote: So let me get this straight? You couldn’t get things straight if Jessica Alba sat on your lap.

Not bad... only took you 18 minutes to google that one.

But thanks for pointing out the fact I have a bend in the wang. I switch hands about 8 years ago to correct the curve. Oh well.

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#75 swany
February 04 2009, 02:31PM
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Need a trade, Strackan, and Kypreos both said that Jay-Bo wants to come home, now I know this is all crap but Strackan was the guy that broke the Pronger deal when he left town, I remember Bob and Spec had him on the team 1260 when he broke the deal and they let him have it pretty good, he was right. As for Kypreos I have no idea if he gets anything right This was stated on Hard Core Hockey and on the T.O. Panthers game last night.

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#76 Traktor
February 04 2009, 02:45PM
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Brownlee:

I already stated my case; re: almost every forward not playing up to potential.

You choose to ignore this inarguable fact. That's the type of journalism I expect from you.

Considering your audience, it's much easier to throw out a couple red herrings and then everybody forgets that you don't have the balls to tackle the real issue.

In your words "For those who fancy firing coach Craig MacTavish as their default solution, let’s get off that, shall we?"

Excellent work, Brownlee. Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish send their regards.

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#77 Greg MC
February 04 2009, 02:46PM
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Pretty obvious changes need to be made (like 25 games ago). I just thought that the coach would have been the easiest to do, he has had 8 years here. What is the average tenure for coaches in the NHL? He has made a lot of head scratching decisions regarding the use of players this year. He is trying but not many positive results from that. New players also required, but not as much flexability to make changes, especially since the rest of the league knows we are SNAFU.

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#78 RobinB
February 04 2009, 02:50PM
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KEYS TO SUCCESSFUL POSTING (TIPS FOR TRAKTOR) 1. KNOWLEDGE. The best way to avoid saying stupid things that make people laugh at you is to have clue. Read up on what it is you're talking about. Just because your mom made you put on a helmet before leaving the house as a child, doesn't mean you know hockey.

2. COMPREHENSION. Understand what you read. Clear your mind of distractions. Don't fret over your dead-end job, the crappy car you drive, the gang-wedgies you endured in Grade 7 and the nagging realization you're a loser. Don't let a limited intellect be clouded even further with envy that your pet Dachshund can beat you at chess or that the only way you can get into Rexall Place is to buy a ticket.

3. STAY ON TOPIC. How fat Robin is, Gregor's hairstyle and Wanye's inclination to wear women's underwear on the weekend isn't what we're here for. It's about hockey and reasonable debate. Unless you have pictures of me kissing Lowe's backside -- which you don't because we haven't even held hands yet -- resist the urge to suggest it's happening.

4. Hit SUBMIT button.

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#79 Greg MC
February 04 2009, 02:51PM
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Traktor wrote:

Considering your audience

Oh, I get it know. You are being stupid on purpose! Or maybe not!

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#80 Rick
February 04 2009, 02:51PM
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Traktor wrote:

I already stated my case; re: almost every forward not playing up to potential. You choose to ignore this inarguable fact.

That really was a serious attempt?

Wow, by having your standards set that low I am actually a little surpised that you aren't happy with how the Oilers are doing.

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#81 Traktor
February 04 2009, 02:52PM
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Another red herring right on cue.

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#82 Colin
February 04 2009, 02:54PM
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Jay-Bo wants to be on a team that makes the playoffs with some consistancy, He's not going to find it here, and we have enough $$$$$$ defensmen as it is.

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#83 Greg MC
February 04 2009, 02:54PM
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RobinB wrote:

Wanye’s inclination to wear women’s underwear on the weekend

Only on the weekend?

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#84 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 02:55PM
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Traktor wrote:

you don’t have the balls to tackle the real issue.

For a guy that uses a name like Traktor (which obviously points to some cousin banging, farming background) instead of his real name, that's funny. To come on a website spewing off at the mouth at a guy from your invisible lofty perch in the land of whatever it is you do for a living, is a picture perfect definition of BALLS.

If anybody here has an idea of what balls are, I'd bet it was you. All those years of your uncle bouncing his balls on your chin while you rode the TRAKTOR, have surerly given you some attention to detail.

Serves up!

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#85 swany
February 04 2009, 02:57PM
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Traktor wrote:

Brownlee: I already stated my case; re: almost every forward not playing up to potential. You choose to ignore this inarguable fact. That’s the type of journalism I expect from you. Considering your audience, it’s much easier to throw out a couple red herrings and then everybody forgets that you don’t have the balls to tackle the real issue. In your words “For those who fancy firing coach Craig MacTavish as their default solution, let’s get off that, shall we?” Excellent work, Brownlee. Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish send their regards.

RB has worte several times that Mact might need to go, what he is stating now is it might be to late to fire the coach read his blog. He has also stated without a doubt that if the Oilers miss the playoffs they have NO choice but to fire him and take a long look at Klowe as well. You are so caught up in trying to cause a pile of bullshit that you don't pay attnetion to what he rights, alot of other posters have given you cases why the teams forwards are not producing like they should, but you blame mact, are you going to give him credit for the third highest scoring D in the NHL? No I thought not, because then you might have to admit that it could be the players and not Mact, but before you could do that we would have to pull your head out of your ass.

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#86 swany
February 04 2009, 03:00PM
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KEYS TO SUCCESSFUL POSTING (TIPS FOR TRAKTOR) 1. KNOWLEDGE. The best way to avoid saying stupid things that make people laugh at you is to have clue. Read up on what it is you’re talking about. Just because your mom made you put on a helmet before leaving the house as a child, doesn’t mean you know hockey. 2. COMPREHENSION. Understand what you read. Clear your mind of distractions. Don’t fret over your dead-end job, the crappy car you drive, the gang-wedgies you endured in Grade 7 and the nagging realization you’re a loser. Don’t let a limited intellect be clouded even further with envy that your pet Dachshund can beat you at chess or that the only way you can get into Rexall Place is to buy a ticket. 3. STAY ON TOPIC. How fat Robin is, Gregor’s hairstyle and Wanye’s inclination to wear women’s underwear on the weekend isn’t what we’re here for. It’s about hockey and reasonable debate. Unless you have pictures of me kissing Lowe’s backside — which you don’t because we haven’t even held hands yet — resist the urge to suggest it’s happening. 4. Hit SUBMIT button.

I've met Robin he's not that fat, but Gregor is really bald.

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#87 OvenChicken8
February 04 2009, 03:05PM
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Colin wrote:

and we have enough $$$$$$ defensmen as it is.

Yes we really do. And if I'm not mistaken both Souray and Visnovsky have NTC's so unless J-Bo takes a home-town discount I wouldn't count on him being an Oiler for long.

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#88 Deep Oil
February 04 2009, 03:05PM
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JRocks247 wrote:

You know what the oil need? A face off winning center who’s good at killing penalties….like…Jarret Stoll. A heavy hitting D man who’s got room to grow….umm..like Matt Greene A skating, hitting fourth liner that brings it every shift…kinda like that guy in Calgary…Glencross i think is his name. I like Vishy but his contract is rediculous and are we really that much better as a team?…hmm

Sounds like Lowe cant see the forest for the trees

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#89 Chris
February 04 2009, 03:06PM
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@ oilerbear:

Please pass the KoolAid. I appreciate the high level of insight and effort that went into your rebuttal post... But I think you are waaaay off!

I bet three years ago you were projecting Schremp to be a big part of this lineup. Omark? Seriously? The Dude is five feet tall, about a hundred pounds, with the foot speed of a turtle on dialysis! In short: Omark is EuroSchremp! Hartikainen skates even worse! Isn't skating important? Point totals in Europe don't impress me any more than Nilsson's stick tricks after practice. Theses guys need to show me something CONSISTANTLY in the NHL during GAMES. Our kids got talent... Right! How did thier passing, skating, and puckhandling look to you last night? Gagner, Eberle, Cogliano, Omark? Do you really want to ice the absolute smallest weakest team in the entire NHL?

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#90 Deep Oil
February 04 2009, 03:08PM
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OvenChicken8 wrote:

Colin wrote: and we have enough $$$$$$ defensmen as it is. Yes we really do. And if I’m not mistaken both Souray and Visnovsky have NTC’s so unless J-Bo takes a home-town discount I wouldn’t count on him being an Oiler for long.

JBo probably wont play in Edmonton due to media, impaired driving issues and TOO MUCH of a hockey market. I disagree with the media scribes that state he wants to play in a hockey market - NO - he wants to play for a winner according to MSM (FAN 590 MCCOWN).

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#91 Traktor
February 04 2009, 03:12PM
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Travis: you make a very good point about anonymity. Having said that I don't think it's unreasonable to hold a professional sports journalist to a higher standard.

The fact that Robin basically tells the commentators that since MacT isn't going to get fired that we should just forget about it and move on is bush league journalism.

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#92 Deep Oil
February 04 2009, 03:15PM
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This is where the Oilers miss Curtis Glencross the most. For a small raise, he could be in the lineup right now delivering exactly what this team desperately lacks: intensity and physicality. The failure to re-sign him has come back to sting Lowe in the rear, as now the club sorely lacks everything that Glencross brings as a player. Instead, Lowe would rather pay career 2nd centre Horcoff $5.5 MIL to do…what exactly? He’ll finish with maybe 50 points, and despite his good defensive play and decent faceoff percentage, it doesn’t justify the payment. Neither does $4.25 MIL for Penner, which most of us knew from the get go. Only when the overpayments for marginal players stop and the Oilers adopt the right sort of organizational mindset in assembling a roster (see: Calgary and their aquisitions of Bourque, Bertuzzi, Glencross, and Cammellieri) will we see this club truly take the next step into being a contender. Until then, mediocrity rules baby!

It will take 3 - 4 years for these contracts to run their course - but in the meantime LOWE and TAMBO have the opportunity to overpay again for no performance. My vote for bad contracts with 20-20 hindsight is Horcoff, Pisani, Penner and Nillson seems to be the whipping boy last month....

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#93 Traktor
February 04 2009, 03:16PM
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I'd like to know why Edmonton is the only hockey franchise that doesn't let results determine a coaches shelf life. Is this an unreasonable demand?

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#94 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 03:20PM
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Traktor wrote:

The fact that Robin basically tells the commentators that since MacT isn’t going to get fired that we should just forget about it and move on is bush league journalism

My take on this was that pissing and moaning about the same thing over and over wasn't going to change a thing. Robin stated that, of all the options there are right now, firing the coach was down the list of likely to happen any time soon. He stated that the GM's first objective is to fix the team through personnel changes, so for better or for worse, that is the way he is going to run the team. Sorry, but you or I or anybody not named Katz or Lowe are not going to influence him. He wouldn't be doing his job if he made decisions based public opinion or what a reporter gave him sh*t for in a media scrum.

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February 04 2009, 03:24PM
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Traktor wrote:

Brownlee: I already stated my case; re: almost every forward not playing up to potential. You choose to ignore this inarguable fact. That’s the type of journalism I expect from you. Considering your audience, it’s much easier to throw out a couple red herrings and then everybody forgets that you don’t have the balls to tackle the real issue. In your words “For those who fancy firing coach Craig MacTavish as their default solution, let’s get off that, shall we?” Excellent work, Brownlee. Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish send their regards.

"I already stated my case.." Traktor, you couldn't state your case if Jessica Alba sat on your lap. ZING, POP, BAM, ZOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

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#96 Traktor
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Travis: You're right that Katz and Lowe wouldn't be doing their jobs if they made decisions based on public perception. Having said that, Katz expects the fans to fund his billion dollar arena so I don't think he can just ignore them either.

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#97 Risto
February 04 2009, 03:47PM
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I like OilerBear's comments #59.

What I'm most disappointed in this season are the fans at the Coliseum. The Oilers have not often played well at home, but instead of sitting on your hands, or more likely staring into cellphones, PDAs and Crackberries (hey look, I saw you / me too!) Try paying attention to the game or maybe cheering your team, it leads to some kind of advantage I've heard about....wearing your new retro jersey does not give you the right to sit stonily quiet while you nurse heroin beer. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Leading to major lameness: it's so uncool to start cheering for YOUR team to only drown out more enthusiastic support by the opposition's fans, however deluded they are. Fellow ZZ Toppers (Gallery section) I am looking right at you. Gold Zone sitters, disgraceful.

Bag skate for all you texters and Librarians. Go Oil!

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#98 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 03:52PM
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Having said that, Katz expects the fans to fund his billion dollar arena so I don’t think he can just ignore them either.

I definately agree there. But, we as fans tend to be a little too emotionally invested at times to be given too much say in matters. Katz is a successful business man and he knows that you don't make decisions with your heart. You gotta think long term. In fairness, he has owned the team for 3/4 of the season and Tambellini has only been here a short time too, so it is going to take some time to cover the place with their finger prints.

I definately don't like the direction the team appears to be taking (out in the public eye) but I really do believe that there are things being done behind the scene to make things better. And firing MacTavish now or even making a minor trade won't work right away. A serious house cleaning is in order.

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#99 Knobby
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Traktor,

Time to adjust your medication.

Main Entry: LITHIUM Pronunciation: \ˈli-thē-əm\ Function: noun Date: 1818 1 : a soft silver-white element of the alkali metal group that is the lightest metal known and that is used especially in alloys and glass, in chemical synthesis, and in storage batteries — see element table 2 : a salt of lithium (as lithium carbonate) used in PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE.

You made your point about 20 entries ago. Give it a rest already.

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#100 Travis Dakin
February 04 2009, 03:57PM
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@ Risto:

People in a hockey market cheer for results. This team hasn't delivered and booing or not cheering is the public's way of showing displeasure. I sure as hell am not going to be standing on my feet watching Penner or nilsson yawning out on the ice when I've spent hundreds of bucks to see effort. You want me to stand up and yell? HIT! SCORE! SKATE!

No Hit and no Skating makes Travis go... something... something....

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