AHL Prospect Rankings: #14 – Sebastien Bisaillon

Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009 05:44PM

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Defenceman Sebastien Bisaillon was never drafted (despite a favorable CSB ranking and after passing through the 2005 and 2006 NHL Entry Drafts,he was invited to the Oilers 2006-07 training camp and signed by the team. His QMJHL statistics do a good job of portraying both his strengths and weaknesses as a player:

2003-04: 67GP – 4G – 14A – 18 PTS – 39 PIM – -7

2004-05: 69GP – 15G – 33A – 48 PTS – 39 PIM – -12

2005-06: 63GP – 35G – 36A – 71 PTS – 56 PIM – -27

2006-07: 63GP – 12G – 40A – 52 PTS – 30 PIM – +4

Promising Pittsburgh Penguins defenceman Kris Letang is roughly the same age (4 months younger) and played for the same team. Since he’s now in his second NHL season, let’s compare his numbers to those of Bisaillon:

2004-05: 70GP – 13G – 19A – 32 PTS – 79 PIM – -16

2005-06: 60GP – 25G – 43A – 68 PTS – 156 PIM – +4

2006-07: 40GP – 14G – 38A – 52 PTS – 74 PIM – +19

Both players are the same height (although Letang is roughly 20lbs heavier) and have very comparable offense. Still, the statistics do give us two obvious differences. Bisaillon seems to have been a bit of a defensive nightmare; in both of his final two junior seasons, he was ranked near the bottom of the team in +/-, while Letang was near the top. The second difference is in the number of penalties taken; while it’s impossible to be sure based solely on the numbers, it would be fair to suggest that Letang was a far more involved physically. Given Letang’s NHL success, we might conjecture that Bisaillon looked to have NHL-level offensive talent, but significant shortcomings both defensively and as a physical player. Kevin Prendergast commented on Bisaillon shortly into the 2006-07 season:

He had to play the first 18 games without Letang and I think at times he tried to do too much but he’s got a cannon for a shot and really good hockey sense. He’s a lot like [Marc-Andre] Bergeron and plays that style. Sebastian’s come a long way from last year and I think the opportunity in our training camp was good for him. He wants to be a NHL player and Kelly [Buchberger] was in there last night and said he played a very solid two-way game and that’s what we want to see from him.

When Prendergast made the comparison between Bergeron and Bisaillon, he certainly didn’t realize that Oilers fans would be able to compare the two that very season. With Bergeron traded and defencemen Steve Staios, Daniel Tjarnqvist, Ladislav Smid, Tom Gilbert and Mathieu Roy all injured, the Oilers burned a year of waiver eligibility to recall Bisaillon from the QMJHL. He played two games with the Oilers during the Oilers 2006-07 stretch drive crash and burn, scoring no points and managing a -1 rating.

Sebastien Bisaillon’s was a bit of a roller-coaster ride. He started the season in the ECHL, where he performed very well (four goals and six points in five games, +7) before being recalled to Springfield where he played twenty-one games, managing ten points and a -3 rating. He was also in Springfield when an opposing player accidentally stepped on the back of his leg, slicing through his calf all the way to the bone. Initially it was feared that the injury could be career-threatening, but Bisaillon managed to return and play the last two games of the season for Stockton.

This season’s been much the same for Bisaillon. He’s played 27 games for Springfield, going +2 and managing 11 points along the way, but was recently assigned to Stockton, where he is even and has four points through nine games. Superficially, it seems strange that a defenceman with such good numbers would be assigned to the minors, but I think much can be explained by the Quality of Competition numbers I posted earlier, which show Bisaillon playing the softest possible opposition. That makes a lot of sense considering his track record and reputation. It’s also worth noting that he’s generating a ton of his offense on the powerplay (roughly 45%), which as Lowetide says “gives us a hint about how he might be used if he arrives in the NHL at some time.”

Bisaillon is the first player from Springfield who may have NHL upside. The smart money would be to bet against it, of course, but he does have upside as a third-pairing powerplay specialist. If he does play in the NHL, Kevin Prendergast’s Marc-Andre Bergeron comparison will probably be a good one. He’s approaching the end of his entry-level contract, but probably deserves to receive a two-way deal for next season.

NHL Contract Status: 500K for 2008-09, pending RFA (please note – Bisaillon receives this salary only if he plays NHL hockey)

AHL Performance Compares To: Marc-Andre Bergeron

Career Projection: Tweener/Powerplay Specialist

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#1 Chris
February 04 2009, 05:58PM
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If Bisaillon is at all like MAB; please shoot him now!

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#2 Steele
February 04 2009, 06:21PM
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So, what I am getting from OilersNation.com & a few other sites, is that the Oilers have ZERO in the minors. As in, we have no NHL prospect calibre players in the Springfield Minors. Shremp is a bust, Peckam is a bottom pairing & what? Zerosville.

Tambo - start calling!!!!!! We need a team.

~Steele

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#3 Steele
February 04 2009, 06:22PM
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@ Chris:

Chris is on the button. Anything that vaguely resembles Bergeron means RUN LIKE HELL!

~Steele

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#4 David S
February 04 2009, 06:30PM
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I've gotta give it to you Jonathan. With the way the big team is right now, it takes alot of stones to write about another AHL prospect.

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#5 Chris
February 04 2009, 06:38PM
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Steele wrote:

So, what I am getting from OilersNation.com & a few other sites, is that the Oilers have ZERO in the minors.

Don't worry. Our Scouting Dept will take no heat whatsoever for the cupboards being bare... Thanks to Gagner and his younger clone Eberle; We out in Oilerland will forget that we wasted a fifteenth overall pick on Plante and were the first team EVER to draft a Jr B player in the first round. Our scouts have the obvious and unique talent of correctly picking the best 5'11" 185lb right shooting centermen available... too bad that is all they can pick!

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#6 Mike
February 04 2009, 06:39PM
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Steele wrote:

So, what I am getting from OilersNation.com & a few other sites, is that the Oilers have ZERO in the minors. As in, we have no NHL prospect calibre players in the Springfield Minors. Shremp is a bust, Peckam is a bottom pairing & what? Zerosville. Tambo - start calling!!!!!! We need a team. ~Steele

Well, you could wait for the next 13 prospects.

Or, when you promote everyone halfway talented, yes, Springfield is a little bare. That's a good thing. It means the Oilers might have to actually bring in some vets instead of anyone else too young to shave.

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#7 Mike
February 04 2009, 06:42PM
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Chris wrote:

Steele wrote: Our Scouting Dept will take no heat whatsoever for the cupboards being bare…

Since this regime took over:

Hemsky, Markkanen, JDD, Stoll, Greene, Pouliot, Brodziak, Stortini, Cogliano, Chorney, Petry, Wild, Peckham, Omark, Nash, Gagner, Eberle.

That's a pretty quality track record over 7 years.

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#8 Jack "slacking off at work" Bauer
February 04 2009, 06:58PM
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I cant believe that someone makes 500,000 a year playing between the ECHL and AHL.

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#9 Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009, 06:58PM
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Given that Bisaillon is ranked as the 14th-best prospect in Springfield, I don't get how people say the team is bare. There are still 13 prospects to go (a list that doesn't include Stone) all of whom have a shot at playing some NHL hockey.

That's ignoring a half-dozen very decent prospects in college and Europe.

I started at the bottom, and I'm working my way up - and I'm doing my best to be objective and honest. So please, when you accuse me of being overly optimistic about the prospects still to come, try and remember that I didn't hype the O'Marra's, McDonald's, and Bisaillon's of the world.

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#10 Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009, 06:58PM
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Jack "slacking off at work" Bauer wrote:

please note – Bisaillon receives this salary only if he plays NHL hockey)

I wrote this above: (please note – Bisaillon receives this salary only if he plays NHL hockey)

His money in the minors is much less.

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#11 Jack "slacking off at work" Bauer
February 04 2009, 06:59PM
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Mike wrote:

Chris wrote: Steele wrote: Our Scouting Dept will take no heat whatsoever for the cupboards being bare… Since this regime took over: Hemsky, Markkanen, JDD, Stoll, Greene, Pouliot, Brodziak, Stortini, Cogliano, Chorney, Petry, Wild, Peckham, Omark, Nash, Gagner, Eberle. That’s a pretty quality track record over 7 years.

So out of those guys, less than half are still with the Oilers?

And for the MAB haters. Remind yourself he has more points this year than most of our forwards.

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#12 Chris
February 04 2009, 07:03PM
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@ Mike: Hemsky. Awesome pick. Full credit. Only really good first round by this regime.

Markkanen and JDD...complete waste of picks. Mature overage Goalies grow on trees in Europe.

It took both Stoll and Green (High Picks) to obtain Visnovsky, who was a fourth round pick. Didn't Predergast take Niimaki with our very high first round pick during Stoll's draft year? Oh Yeah! Solid Decision...

Cogliano, Eberle, and Gagner. All small centermen. Good picks... As I previously stated, the only type of player this group can correctly pick is 5"11" centers.

Pouliot is garbage compared to others available in that draft position: ie Patrice Bergeron, Shae Weber, Corey Perry, Mike Richards....and so on. Terrible!

The jury is out on the rest. Glad Nash could light it up in Jr B and in the ECAC... BIG WHOOP! Nash did not merit a FIRST round pick...

You and Willis must drink the same Koolaid if you think drafting the highest volume of NHL'ers is as important as drafting high quality NHL'ers. Other than Hemsky this hasn't found another legit first line player... Colorado drafted Svatos in a seventh round, Stastny in a second round, and Wolski late, late in the first round. That is a good track record.

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#13 Mike
February 04 2009, 07:13PM
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Chris wrote:

It took both Stoll and Green (High Picks) to obtain Visnovsky, who was a fourth round pick.

That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

And you have no idea if any of Gagner, Cogliano, or Eberele could be first rounders in another 2-3 years. That's the problem with judging a staff that's only been drafting since 2001 - half of the kids are too young. You might as well go into a kindergarten class and berate them because none of them have jobs yet.

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#14 Chris
February 04 2009, 07:21PM
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Mike wrote:

nd you have no idea if any of Gagner, Cogliano, or Eberele could be first rounders in another 2-3 years

Right. And I have no idea if MacT will lead this team to another cup... let's extend his contract. Mike wrote:

That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard

Let me explain. We haven't had a late round diamond in the rough since the 80's. Guys like Visnovsky, Svatos, Zidlicky, Streit, Stempniak, etc help a scouting dept compensate for mediocrity. Our best ever second round under the Predergast regime netted us Stoll and Green. Good compensation for blowing the Niiimaki pick... Too bad they were the price required to land a fourth round pick. Maybe we should make better fourth round picks to begin with!

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#15 Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009, 07:29PM
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Chris wrote:

Markkanen and JDD…complete waste of picks. Mature overage Goalies grow on trees in Europe.

And the way to get those goalies is to draft them with late round picks. If you seriously think that a goaltender with over 100 NHL games and decent GAA/SV% is the waste of a fifth round pick, you have no idea what the value of a fifth round pick is.

It took both Stoll and Green (High Picks) to obtain Visnovsky, who was a fourth round pick. Didn’t Predergast take Niimaki with our very high first round pick during Stoll’s draft year? Oh Yeah! Solid Decision…

Let's say the Red Wings were willing to trade Zetterberg to Edmonton for Cogliano and a first round pick. Zetterberg was a 7th round pick - clearly, Cogliano was a bad decision!

The jury is out on the rest. Glad Nash could light it up in Jr B and in the ECAC… BIG WHOOP! Nash did not merit a FIRST round pick…

Question: Is it hypocritical to say that the jury is out on recent selections (like Nash) and then say that Nash wasn't worth a late first round pick? Answer: Yes.

Other than Hemsky this hasn’t found another legit first line player… Colorado drafted Svatos in a seventh round, Stastny in a second round, and Wolski late, late in the first round. That is a good track record.

Woohoo! Fun question: how many of Cogliano, Gagner and Eberle will at one point be first-line players?

Bonus point - in the year Colorado took Stastny 44th overall, they took Ryan Stoa 34th overall, passing on Marc-Edouard Vlasic and the aforementioned Stastny.

In any case, could we kindly refrain from a wholesale evaluation of the Oilers scouting/farm system until we review the prospect list? As much as I like comments, this post is about Sebastien Bisaillon, not the Oilers scouting/drafting record.

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#16 Mike
February 04 2009, 07:32PM
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Chris wrote:

Maybe we should make better fourth round picks to begin with!

You're right. And people who lose the lottery do so because they just need to pick better numbers.

(Miro Satan, Fernando Pisani, Matt Lombardi and Shawn Horcoff say hi).

It's ridiculous to devalue the Stoll and Greene picks because of who they were traded for. It doesn't matter if we traded Greene and Stoll for a cheeseburger and some spare change. They're both solid NHLers.

And yes, Niinimaki was a bad pick. That's not proof that the cupboard is bare, it's proof that the record isn't 100%. Nobody's is.

Besides, go back and look at the players drafted between #15 and where we took Stoll at #36. You know what you'll see? A bunch of suck. 2002 had lousy depth outside the top 12-14.

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#17 Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009, 07:35PM
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Chris wrote:

We haven’t had a late round diamond in the rough since the 80’s.

217th overall, 2003 - Kyle Brodziak 133rd overall, 2001 - Jussi Markkanen 215th overall, 2000 - Matthew Lombardi 99th overall, 1998 - Shawn Horcoff 121st overall, 1997 - Jason Chimera 195th overall, 1996 - Fernando Pisani 111th overall, 1993 - Miroslav Satan

All drafted since Prendergast joined the Oilers from Central Scouting. All fourth round picks or lower.

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#18 Jonathan Willis
February 04 2009, 07:41PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

217th overall, 2003 - Kyle Brodziak 133rd overall, 2001 - Jussi Markkanen 215th overall, 2000 - Matthew Lombardi 99th overall, 1998 - Shawn Horcoff 121st overall, 1997 - Jason Chimera 195th overall, 1996 - Fernando Pisani 111th overall, 1993 - Miroslav Satan

Incidentally, is seven solid NHL'ers out of the bottom 3-4 rounds over a ten year period good? I'd say yes. Check out this article.

Incidentally, here are the odds (from the link above) of drafting a non-NHL'er at each position:

Picks 1-5: 25% Picks 21-40: >40% Picks 41-80: >55% Picks 81-140: >70% Picks past 140: >85%

The other odds are there. If you folks would like, I'll do up an article comparing the Oilers' success at each position with that recorded in the Hockey Analysis article.

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#19 Mike
February 04 2009, 07:46PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

I have no interest in your article, unless it explains how to pick better lottery numbers >:(

(Yeah, I'd like to see the comparisons. I expect it might help dispel some "grass is greener" thinking)

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#20 doritogrande
February 04 2009, 11:00PM
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Thanks to Gagner and his younger clone Eberle; We out in Oilerland will forget that we wasted a fifteenth overall pick on Plante and were the first team EVER to draft a Jr B player in the first round.

Oh wow. You're complete lack of logical thought here completely surprises me. Here's a thought, do some research before you open your mouth. Alex Plante has put up a fantastic year, both in points and in destroying opposing forwards as soon as they enter his zone. The kid's already Pronger sized and has his mean streak down pat. Even if he doesn't translate his offensive success to the NHL, we've still got a badass mother who won't take crap from Calgary. Also, take a closer look, Nash came from Junior-A. He was also the second leading scorer for his age class, behind #3 overall Kyle Turris. His point projection compares favourably to another former BCHLer turned NHLer, Travis Zajac.

Your ignorance really detracts from an otherwise fantastic post from Jonathan.

On Bisaillon:

It's a pretty good synopsis of his talents, but I'm still left wondering what he'd be like if not for that injury last season. If I remember correctly, he was really turning a corner in his development when he was felled. It should also be noted that he is nowhere near as small as Marc-Andre Bergeron. His profile on Hockeydb lists him as 6'0" 185, a good 3" taller than the mighty-mite. That he's in the ECHL speaks volumes to me about how the Oilers management want the team in Springfield run. The priorities are Peckham and Chorney. They seem to care little about the other defensive prospect's development, for surely Bisaillon and Wild for that matter are outplaying Chorney at this point.

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#21 Chris
February 04 2009, 11:36PM
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Sorry. Went out drinking. Last time I looked most of Oilersnation stopped defending MacT. Half of Oilersnation stopped defending Lowe. I guess I'm on the cutting edge of guys who stopped defending scouting. You guys keep U-Tubing Omark vids and telling yourself everything is okay... the Oilers will keep losing and I will gain validation... Hollow Victory!

Mike wrote:

(Miro Satan, Fernando Pisani, Matt Lombardi and Shawn Horcoff say hi).

All drafted before Hemsky. I regret my 20 yr comment... but who really wants to debate that Fraiser did a great job... Jonathan Willis wrote:

217th overall, 2003 - Kyle Brodziak 133rd overall, 2001 - Jussi Markkanen 215th overall, 2000 - Matthew Lombardi 99th overall, 1998 - Shawn Horcoff 121st overall, 1997 - Jason Chimera 195th overall, 1996 - Fernando Pisani 111th overall, 1993 - Miroslav Satan

Great lineup. Lets win a cup!

Your arguments are proof of mediocrity!

I'm just forwarding a different perspective. Are you guys saying the Oilers haven't hosted a home opening playoff date for 18 years thanks to coaching, and bad luck..?.. Do you think management and scouting had nothing to do with this?

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#22 Jonathan Willis
February 05 2009, 06:47AM
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@ Chris:

First off - do you really expect to win the Stanley Cup with only picks made after the third round? If you didn't make such sweeping comments, your criticism (which has some merit) would be taken more seriously.

Secondly - the generally approved way to criticize me is to point out that I shouldn't trust numbers so much, not youtube, because I use the former far more than the latter (i.e. I've never, ever, formed an opinion on a prospect based on YouTube. Which is probably why I never really thought much of the Schremp selection outside of 2005-06.

Third - I think the Oilers struggles over the past 18 years had lots to do with Barry Fraser's drafting - you accurately point out that he did a crap job over basically the last decade of his career in Edmonton. I didn't think the Oilers really struggled from 2001-lockout, given what there budget was in relation to the rest of the league, and from 2006-on I think the struggles can be laid squarely at the feet of Kevin Lowe.

I stopped defending Lowe long before I stopped defending MacTavish - his ratio of good moves to bad just isn't that high, post-2006.

Anyhow, I'm going to do an article calculating performance at the draft using the work set out in the Hockey Analysis article linked to above. I'd guess the Oilers and Devils are in the top-12 in the league, and that Detroit and Buffalo are both in the top five. Calgary will probably be league-average or a little lower, while Atlanta's going to be near the bottom. Those are my predictions, but I've been wrong before.

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#23 Chris
February 05 2009, 06:50AM
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Also who cares about Markkanen? Why rave about a pick like that? And JDD cost us a very high pick as did Dubnyk. Goalie development is even harder to predict... Please stop wasting top picks on them!

Also please understand that players like Messier and Anderson, who were drafted in the fourth round, won cups, and landed in the Hall of Fame qualify as diamonds in the rough...

My expectations are high... You guys may say unrealistic. My standards were set by the Oilers. Why should I lower my expectations now?

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#24 Chris
February 05 2009, 06:51AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

First off - do you really expect to win the Stanley Cup with only picks made after the third round?

Yes. That is how we won cups in Edmonton. Take a good look at the retired numbers.

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#25 Jonathan Willis
February 05 2009, 07:16AM
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Chris wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: First off - do you really expect to win the Stanley Cup with only picks made after the third round? Yes. That is how we won cups in Edmonton. Take a good look at the retired numbers.

@ Chris:

Let's use the 1983-84 Edmonton Oilers, as an example. Here are the players, ranked by postseason scoring, and their draft position:

Gretzky - 35 points - purchased, not drafted Kurri - 28 points - drafted 69th overall Messier - 26 points - drafted 48th overall Coffey - 22 points - drafted 6th overall Anderson - 17 points - drafted 69th overall Linseman - 14 points – drafted 7th overall Hughes – 13 points – drafted 80th overall Lowe – 10 points – drafted 21st overall Huddy – 10 points – undrafted Hunter – 10 points – drafted 17th overall Gregg – 10 points – undrafted Lindstrom – 10 points – undrafted McClelland – 10 points – drafted 71st overall Semenko – 10 points – drafted 25th overall Lumley – 7 points – drafted 199th overall Summanen – 5 points – drafted 125th overall Fogolin – 5 points – drafted 11th overall Pouzar – 3 points – drafted 83rd overall Jackson – 3 points – drafted 76th overall Conacher – 1 point – drafted 76th overall Melnyk – 1 point – drafted 78th overall

Fuhr – 16GP – drafted 8th overall Moog – 7GP – drafted 132nd overall

Last season, 91 picks were made in the first three rounds. On the Oilers’ first cup-winning team, exactly three players were drafted after that point – the backup goalie, and the 15th and 16th ranked scorers on the team.

When there were way fewer teams, it was obviously easier to draft better players in the late rounds because fewer teams were drawing on the pool. Your argument is like complaining about our second round drafting because Craig Ramsey, Larry Robinson and Rick Kehoe were all mid-second round picks in 1971 (picked 19th, 20th, and 22nd overall). Today, they’d be mid-first round picks; that’s what happens when the league jumps to thirty teams.

In the last draft, if taken at the same position, Messier would have been a mid-second round pick, while Anderson and Kurri would have gone early in the third round. None of them would be considered post-third round picks today – in other words, you’re wrong.

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#26 Jonathan Willis
February 05 2009, 07:23AM
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Incidentally, I'm not going to use the HockeyAnalysis ratings because they're too subjective (my first-liner is your second-liner, etc.), but I'll make my criterias clear and try to accomodate objections.

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#27 Mike
February 05 2009, 08:50AM
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Chris wrote:

All drafted before Hemsky. I regret my 20 yr comment… but who really wants to debate that Fraiser did a great job…

And since Hemsky was drafted, there's 2 draft years (2002 and 2003) who are old enough to evaluate. How many late round miracles are you expecting in 3 years?

And the fact that all the players I listed comes from the Barry Fraser era confrims what I keep trying to explain. Once you get that deep in the draft, it's more luck than skill, meaning even an idiot like Fraser will accidentally find a few gems.

Now, I'll agree that there's a few things you can do to increase your odds of a good return. Drafting Europeans seems like a good bet, simply because they're not scouted as heavily as Canadian kids. Better odds of someone falling through the cracks. But of every Euro who goes after the 4th round, you're still looking at a roll of the dice on whether they turn out to be something special or not.

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#28 Mike
February 05 2009, 08:53AM
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@ Chris:

You still haven't addressed the other point I raised regarding the 2002 draft. Look at the players drafted around JDD - goalies may be a crapshoot, but the 2002 draft was junk.

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#29 Travis Dakin
February 05 2009, 09:43AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Let’s say the Red Wings were willing to trade Zetterberg to Edmonton for Cogliano and a first round pick. Zetterberg was a 7th round pick - clearly, Cogliano was a bad decision!

No but picking Jani Rita, Alexei Semenov, Tony Salmelainen, Adam Hauser, Jonathan Fauteux, Chris Legg, Christian Chartier, I can even say Mike Comrie before Zetterberg went was a BAD decision. HAHA I know that was the Barry Fraser era but the point he was making that hey should have used their pick earlier to get a better player as oppossed to having to trade for him in the future. BLAH BLAH I know it can be a crap shoot.

Wow, it actually physically hurts to go back and play hindsight and what could have been. I don't know how you do it Willis.

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#30 Chris
February 05 2009, 02:32PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

In the last draft, if taken at the same position, Messier would have been a mid-second round pick, while Anderson and Kurri would have gone early in the third round. None of them would be considered post-third round picks today – in other words, you’re wrong.

Yes I get it. Messier went 48th overall. It was a 21 team league...

It was still the third round... The THIRD round. It's all proportional Willis. Hockey is bigger now. In 1979 ther was only 4.3 billion people in the world and 11 teams in the WHL. Every GM in the league had two cracks at Messier and three cracks at Anderson. The first three Oiler drafts netted 12 players who played fifty or more games, and FIVE Hall of Famers...(Remember that in 1979 it was only a six round draft) All these quality players in just three years from a proportionally smaller talent pool than what is available today. Lowe, Messier, Anderson, Coffee, Kurri, Walt Poddubny (422pts in 468gms), Moog, Fuhr, Marc Habscheid, Miroslav Horava, and Gord Sherven. Based on the number of people involved in minor hockey today as compared to 1979, I would say the rule of proportion applies; and a fourth round pick then is the same as a fourth round pick today.

Incidentally. During the first three years of the Lowe/Predergast scouting only 9 players have 50 or more NHL games played despite more picks being made. Hemsky may have a shot at the Hall of Fame but the rest of this lot isn't fit to hold the jock straps of the previous group. Markanen, Pisa, Green, Stoll, Pouliot, Jacques, Stortini, and Brodziak. A good group perhaps. Stacks up well against what most teams have drafted over the same time frame... Well under what can be achieved though; If like me, you expect more than just average.

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#31 Chris
February 05 2009, 02:49PM
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@ Mike:

Yes 2002 was a weak draft. Glad to have JDD who posted very ordinary numbers in the AHL, drove out Garon, and let in seven goals in 2 1/2 periods his last outing.

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#32 Chris
February 05 2009, 03:08PM
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doritogrande wrote:

Oh wow. You’re complete lack of logical thought here completely surprises me. Here’s a thought, do some research before you open your mouth

Thanks. I DO do research.

Re: Nash. The Salmon Arm Siverbacks call themselves a Jr A squad... but it's the BCHL... not the WHL. Nash put up points against mighty opponents like the Penticton Vees... Wow! Then off to Cornell. Is Cornell really the kind of reputable hockey school to develop a first round draft pick?

Plante had a disasterous 07/08 campaign even by the admission of the Oiler propaganda machine... And as for this campaign...For a while there it looked he wouldn't be able to set his ego aside in time to report to camp... Maybe there is a little bit of Pronger in him after all!

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#33 Mike
February 05 2009, 04:45PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Mike: Yes 2002 was a weak draft. Glad to have JDD who posted very ordinary numbers in the AHL, drove out Garon, and let in seven goals in 2 1/2 periods his last outing.

I don't even know what you're looking to hear. Instead of JDD we should have picked... some other bust? Traded the pick?

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#34 Chris
February 05 2009, 04:58PM
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@ Mike:

I dunno... Duncan Keith? Simular type player to Gilbert. More in demand around the NHL than another middling goalie prospect. Good skater... thought Oiler scouts would like that.

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#35 Chris
February 05 2009, 05:14PM
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@ Mike: Maybe the Oilers didn't mind using a first round pick on Riley Nash as a response to missing out on a guy like Keith who played out of Penticton...

Generally speaking, taking a guy like Keith 31st overall would have been seen as unconventional... Guys like me would have probably screamed... I'm not trying to be a big jack@ss here... I'm just a serious fan who thinks the Oilers lack depth and that the cupboards are bare. Predergast and company have to bear some of the responsibility for what has gone on in Oil Country for the last number of years; The level of that responsibility is clearly up for debate. In the past, I loved all the Oiler prospects like my own children... In light of another disappointing campaign, I'm becoming somewhat jaded. I apologise for my, at times, overly emotional rhetoric.

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#36 Jonathan Willis
February 05 2009, 06:06PM
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@ Chris:

Are you seriously arguing that the 48th-ranked player in amateur hockey is the equivalent of the 72nd-ranked player today?

You're assuming that the NHL is expanding at the same rate that the pool of amateur players is expanding. That's a bad assumption.

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#37 Chris
February 05 2009, 07:02PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: That may be true... but a 48th ranked player in 1979 is not the same thing as a second rounder today. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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#38 STEEVE
February 18 2009, 10:37AM
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BISSAILLON NO MATTER WHAT HAS A HELL OF A SLAP SHOT, GOOD OFFENSIVE-DEFENSEMAN

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