GDB 53: Not Taking Steps Back

Jonathan Willis
February 08 2009 11:04AM

I really hate to plug things that the Oilers’ organization does. When I read stories about how the Oilers complain to the NHL because a Calgary radio station played a song parody after their 10-2 loss to Buffalo, or their heavy-handed tactics in dealing with fans, or how members of the organization parked a Zamboni behind the HNIC production truck after Marc Crawford had the temerity to question the quality of the ice at Rexall, I get angry. I think about how petty and ham-fisted an organization can be, especially an organization that has milked public sympathy repeatedly in the past and intends to do it again to get a new arena, and wonder why anyone would laud the Oilers’ organization.

In any case, it’s really worthwhile (as it usually is) to check out the post-game comments up at the Oilers official site. There, for example, you can find this charming quote from team captain Ethan Moreau:

Well the score doesn’t reflect how we worked, I thought that a lot of guys really battled hard. It’s hard to find positives in an 8-3 loss, but a lot of guys competed really hard. We had some big efforts – Storts gets a goal and assist, Poulie scores a nice goal, I thought we battled in the faceoff circle, so there’s some good things going into tomorrow.

Reading that, I wonder if Ethan Moreau was at the game. If the Oilers were putting forth the necessary effort, why did they have the doors blown off? Was their pre-game preparation lacking? Asked what the difference was between the first and second periods, Moreau offered the following:

Just that they scored more goals in the first. It’s really hard to find faults in our energy in here before the game. Things didn’t go well, we took the penalty early and they scored and things snowballed from there. But if you really break down the game and watch it I thought there were a lot of individuals who really competed hard and won a lot of battles. It’s a process – we’ve got thirty games left and if we continue to do things right and fix things that need to be fixed we’ll be fine.

Compare that quote above to what Kyle Brodziak said after the game:

We came into the game, and I don’t know if we were really nervous or tentative but we were uptight and we weren’t skating. They’re a good team - they’ve got a lot of skill over there - and if you’re not ready to skate with them they’re going to pick you apart.

Which of those two comments seems closer to accurate? Ethan Moreau’s idea that the only problem was that the Red Wings just scored more goals in the first but the team battled hard, or Brodziak’s comment that they weren’t ready to skate with the Red Wings?

Let me make it crystal clear for everyone: the game is won and lost on goals scored for and against. The game isn’t won because you have good “energy” in the room prior to setting foot on the ice, or because you “competed hard”. Winning puck battles is indeed of importance, but only because winning puck battles leads to scoring goals. It doesn’t matter how much grit, jam or sandpaper a team displays (not that I thought the Oilers were outstanding in that regard yesterday) if you only manage three goals while your opposition scores eight. That doesn’t seem to be a concept that Craig MacTavish understands:

Even the first period, we made mistakes obviously, but we knew they were going to come hard at the start; they hadn’t been playing up to their standards and it’s been a bit of boot camp from what we understand, around here. We knew they were going to come hard, we were prepared for it. We battled hard, and we played hard, and our young guys really battled hard. Cogs, I thought really battled, as did Sam... Pouliot got involved a little bit tonight, scored a goal and got in a confrontation, which is something that we haven’t seen a lot out of him. It was unfortunate that they got the goal in the last six seconds of the second period to make it six nothing, and then all of a sudden we get three and if we don’t give up that goal late we’re back in the game. It’s a funny game – you just have to compete hard, every minute of every night, and I think that for a large part we did that tonight.

That’s right folks – despite the obvious mismatch in the respective teams’ play, if not for the unfortunate sixth goal against and that equally unfortunate seventh goal against, the Oilers would have been right in it. The Oilers were prepared and they battled hard, despite going down 5-0 in the first twenty minutes.

To sum up:

I think a lot of times when you get beat handily, it’s tough to respond the next day, but I think we’re going to be able to not take a step back, despite the loss.

I certainly hope this team doesn’t take a step back; it would be a real shame if all that effort the Oilers exerted to lose only 8-3 instead of 10-2 or 9-2 went to waste.

Why Gene Principe Rocks

Faced with the 8-3 loss, and seemingly unable to force his mouth to ask MacTavish to elaborate on the virtues of “battling hard”, Gene Principe needed to find some kind of Wellwood-soft question to lob at MacTavish. With his incredible ability to make clutch plays, he responded, leading to this interaction:

Principe: “Dwayne’s penalty looked like it was an accident on his part...”

MacTavish: “What happened - I didn’t even see it?”

Principe: “He just kinda... stuck his stick... up between his legs... with Cleary.”

He just kinda... accidentally... whacked Dan Cleary... in that spot between his legs. You can’t teach that kind of analysis. Sportsnet’s lucky to have him.

Oh Yeah, There’s A Game Today

Let’s look at the key ingredients for this afternoon’s game:

  • The Oilers are playing Minnesota in Minnesota (they’ve lost 8 straight at the Xcel Energy Center).
  • The Oilers are currently tied with Minnesota for the final playoff spot in the West, making this a textbook example of a four-point game.
  • The Oilers are coming off an 8-3 loss yesterday in which the captain and head coach were pleased with their effort.
  • Minnesota hasn’t played since Friday.

Let’s call it a 2-1 OT loss. Dustin Penner and Pierre-Marc Bouchard with regulation goals, and let’s chalk up the game winner to Marc-Andre Bergeron.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 freeze
February 08 2009, 11:10AM
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I wonder what kind of crazy sh!t macT will pull today. I can't even come up with a decent joke.

I hope JDD gets the start; if only to change things up.

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#2 Colin
February 08 2009, 11:13AM
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Nail meet Head. Nicely done JW. Very hard to argue with what you said.

The difference in comments(captain + coach vs brodz) really makes it seem like there is a division in the room (MacT's pets vs everyone else?). I can't see how they should differ that much otherwise.

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#3 Colin
February 08 2009, 11:14AM
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freeze wrote:

I wonder what kind of crazy sh!t macT will pull today. I can’t even come up with a decent joke. I hope JDD gets the start; if only to change things up.

He was pretty solid yesterday, I'd like to see more of him (15+ games down the stretch)if only to see what we have, we're not going to know if the kids got game otherwise.

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#4 MattL
February 08 2009, 11:31AM
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What the font?!

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#5 I Am The Law
February 08 2009, 11:36AM
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To shake things up Mac-T is going to put Eric Cole in goal, citing his ability "to stay strong on the puck," cementing Cole as a player who can play any position in the game. Gagner is going to get first-line ice time with Hemsky, while Penner is going to be spending the game cleaning out the team bus because according to Mactavish, and Greg Barnes now, Penner's 12-12-24 is obviously inferior to Gagner's 4-13-17.

Yep, it makes no sense to can a coach during a playoff clusterf#ck...

Sorry, I'm ranting. I'm nearing my end with this team. I will always support them, not matter what, but I can't bring myself to get excited for a game when there is no sense of stability whatsoever. And stability (barring injuries) starts at the top, with the guys who bring the players in, and the guys who make the lineups. Lowe, Tambo, and Mac-T; I'm looking at you three.

Fix. It.

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#6 RLH
February 08 2009, 11:51AM
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Can we get a new survey?...I'm just saying. Maybe something like:

Have you Given up on the playoffs yet? * No way, not with March coming up! * Not really, the NW is still so tight. * Heck yeah, we don't deserve to make the first round!

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#7 Sing A Song For SingSing
February 08 2009, 11:53AM
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Let 'em have it Jay Dub.

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#8 Sing A Song For SingSing
February 08 2009, 11:53AM
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And regarding the game yesteday, for Detroit, it was simply a case of "8 is enuff".

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#9 doggie-style D
February 08 2009, 11:57AM
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Here's hoping for a continuation of this cluster-F of a season so the Oilers' braintrust will be forced to see this season (and the last 8) for what it really is... no more lipstick on this pig, please!

I'll be able to comment during the game today - can't wait!

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#10 Smokin' Ray
February 08 2009, 12:03PM
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GRAME DAY!!!

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#11 doggie-style D
February 08 2009, 12:04PM
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@ doggie-style D: haha - it was supposed to say last 8 (seasons) then a ")", not a happy face with sunglasses on!

The whole last 8 seasons have been carbon copies of themselves - even the Stanley Cup run we very nearly missed the playoffs that year, too...which leads me to wonder: "Can Edmonton start a parade for finishing 8th place in the regular season again?"

Man, that would be sweet! Where were you?

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#12 Smokin' Ray
February 08 2009, 12:04PM
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Geez... edit button.

Go Grame Day!!!

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#13 RyanD
February 08 2009, 12:08PM
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Thanks for commenting on Gene. I don't like to hate on the guy, but his interview questions are getting old. Yesterday was terrible, because it seemed like he was genuinely afraid to tell it like it is. Heaven forbid we give MacT the truth and actually comment on how it affected the game (obviously this wasn't the only reason we lost, but it was certainly not a good way to start).

I hate questions like that. They're embarrassing, and are essentially giving MacT a free pass on commenting on the game and bringing some sort of accountability to himself and the players. Until the team starts to understand this and actually begin to take responsibility for their play, we're not going to get any better than a barely above .500 club.

Now, given his other comments regarding the game, I'm sure he would have answered the question the same no matter how the question was posed. "Roli's a battler," etc, etc.

Get this quote from Jarome Iginla following their 5-2 loss to the Blackhawks (a game in which he was -4):

"We weren't good enough," and then he commented more on preparation. Finally he remarked, "And me personally...I was terrible."

That's why the guy is one of the best leaders in the game. And it sickens me to compare those comments to the ones our captain and head coach made following an 8-3 drubbing. They just don't get it.

Having said that, go Oil. Needless to say this game is huge, as they'll all be down the stretch.

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#14 Travis Dakin
February 08 2009, 12:16PM
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doggie-style D wrote:

The whole last 8 seasons have been carbon copies of themselves - even the Stanley Cup run we very nearly missed the playoffs that year, too…which leads me to wonder: “Can Edmonton start a parade for finishing 8th place in the regular season again?”

And that is what they keep falling back on to justify medocrity... "Once you get in, anything can happen"

It's crap. How, in the sweet everloving f*ck they could even atempt to put a positive spin on things and look themselves in the mirror is astounding to me.

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#15 BUCK75
February 08 2009, 12:18PM
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Game link anyone? No TV in the office...yet

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#16 BUCK75
February 08 2009, 12:19PM
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D'oh! I thought it started @ noon.

http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2.php?i=638

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#17 David S
February 08 2009, 12:29PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Game link anyone? No TV in the office…yet

The mother lode is here: http://atdhe.net/

You need a pretty decent connection though. If you have one and a good computer, the feed is great and you can set the video to full screen. There's enough sportscasts here to pretty much guarantee you'll be fired in a week if the boss walks into the office too often.

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#18 Jonathan Willis
February 08 2009, 12:29PM
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RyanD:

Principe's doing his job - I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn't going to kill their ratings. That, and it's fun to point out the absurdity of the situation.

Buck75: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2.php?i=638

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#19 RyanD
February 08 2009, 12:34PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

RyanD: Principe’s doing his job - I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn’t going to kill their ratings. That, and it’s fun to point out the absurdity of the situation. Buck75: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2.php?i=638

Oh I know he's doing his job. In other cases, however, he can still give a good question rather than the fluff "how does it feel?" stuff. Like Robin pointed out in his piece yesterday, I also felt bad for the broadcast team. They had two more hours following the first period where they had to remain positive. It must have been brutal!

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#20 BUCK75
February 08 2009, 12:35PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

Thanks man - I found it on the ATDHE site & posted it but the link needs 'moderation'. I thought the game started @ noon!

They just played the Pricipe/MacT clip on CHED - pretty funny. I heard it after the game yesterday & laughed as Principe found the right words for the situation.

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#21 Wej
February 08 2009, 12:35PM
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It's nice to see that Bell and Sportsnet are blocking the HD feed for the west again today. I'm so happy I'm paying for an HD package and there's no HD. Oh well.

Oilers win 3-2.

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#22 David S
February 08 2009, 12:36PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Principe’s doing his job - I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn’t going to kill their ratings. That, and it’s fun to point out the absurdity of the situation.

Jonathan, you really need to move to Edmonton to understand how it works with this team. I mean, they shut down a parody song for crying out loud.

"Content is moderated. Pretend Alan Watt is reading over your shoulder."

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#23 Wej
February 08 2009, 12:37PM
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Clutterbuck is a wuss. Take the visor off.

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#24 Ontario Oilfan
February 08 2009, 12:37PM
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RyanD wrote:

Thanks for commenting on Gene. I don’t like to hate on the guy, but his interview questions are getting old.

I agree that the questions are getting old and would say that the answers are wearing thing as well. It's good to see some opinion that takes the team to task for how its leaders respond. I think a lot of fans who hover around this team are starting to see the same BS game in and game out and are getting wise to it. Better teams would have made a change long ago. It's getting tiresome.

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#25 Travis Dakin
February 08 2009, 12:38PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn’t going to kill their ratings.

No only that, do you see the look that guys like MacT or Lowe or Tambellini give a reprter when a hard question does get asked? Daggers. Guy's in this business need to know that it is part of the job to be expected to have an answer for their actions.

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#26 Wej
February 08 2009, 12:38PM
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David S wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: Principe’s doing his job - I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn’t going to kill their ratings. That, and it’s fun to point out the absurdity of the situation. Jonathan, you really need to move to Edmonton to understand how it works with this team. I mean, they shut down a parody song for crying out loud. “Content is moderated. Pretend Alan Watt is reading over your shoulder.”

They control everything they can.

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#27 Travis Dakin
February 08 2009, 12:42PM
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Wej wrote:

It’s nice to see that Bell and Sportsnet are blocking the HD feed for the west again today. I’m so happy I’m paying for an HD package and there’s no HD. Oh well. Oilers win 3-2.

I have it... Sportsnet has that permanent HD channel now. It's channel 211 up here in Fort McMurray.

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#28 Milli
February 08 2009, 12:44PM
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I am interested to see what happens today. Minny has owned us. We seem to not be able to score again (until in the detroit game, they let up). I'm torn, on the one hand, I WANT MACT GONE, on the other, the playoffs are FUN. Rip roarin drunk for as long as we last, it's a tough choice!!!!!

3 - 1 OIL

Hemmer with 2, souray and a SMACK ATTACK TAKING OUT THE TRASH!!!!!!!!!!

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#29 David S
February 08 2009, 12:49PM
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The team's been amazingly quiet about Visnovsky. Anybody hear how bad his shoulder is?

Oil 4-2

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#30 Ontario Oilfan
February 08 2009, 12:53PM
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David S wrote:

The team’s been amazingly quiet about Visnovsky. Anybody hear how bad his shoulder is? Oil 4-2

The injury report at the Oilers website says it's indefinitely, but shoulder dislocations tend to be about 6-8 weeks depending on how badly they need him in the playoff push.

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#31 Wej
February 08 2009, 01:04PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

Wej wrote: It’s nice to see that Bell and Sportsnet are blocking the HD feed for the west again today. I’m so happy I’m paying for an HD package and there’s no HD. Oh well. Oilers win 3-2. I have it… Sportsnet has that permanent HD channel now. It’s channel 211 up here in Fort McMurray.

211 for me is Global Toronto.

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#32 Wej
February 08 2009, 01:05PM
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Roli starting... what a joke. JDD should be starting this game.

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#33 doggie-style D
February 08 2009, 01:05PM
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Great news everyone - (I think my birthday wish from last night came true) The Edmonton Sun's daily poll question today is:

"Is it time for Craig MacTavish to step aside as head coach?"

This is THE opportunity to make our voice be heard on a national level if you want MacT to be gone, Oiler fans...and I think that what people are saying on here is leading people to realize that Oiler fans are serious about getting rid of the established regime here in Edmonton.

The poll in the newspaper is a serious sign that his time has come, if you ask me! Now I have just one more question I have to ask myself, "Why didn't I wish to win the lottery instead yesterday?" Nah, on second though, I'm good...

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#34 Travis Dakin
February 08 2009, 01:06PM
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@ Wej:

Are you in Alberta, They were supposed to have fixed that throughout the province.

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#35 David S
February 08 2009, 01:10PM
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doggie-style D wrote:

The poll in the newspaper is a serious sign that his time has come, if you ask me!

A poll in the Sun. Yeah, that cemented it for me.

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#36 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:19PM
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David S wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: Principe’s doing his job - I just wish his bosses would realize that him asking a tough question every once in a while isn’t going to kill their ratings. That, and it’s fun to point out the absurdity of the situation. Jonathan, you really need to move to Edmonton to understand how it works with this team. I mean, they shut down a parody song for crying out loud. “Content is moderated. Pretend Alan Watt is reading over your shoulder.”

couldnt agree more!!!!You cant even blow a fart without the orginization approving it..these reporters are strapped!! Its all B.S!! Just ask Rishaug Mac T bagger chewed him out once already!! Its a mandate of the damn orginization!!! They are gutless and cant handle critisism (bad spelling) CRY me a river!!! I am really starting to dislike the whole crew!!! very very embarassing

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#37 doggie-style D
February 08 2009, 01:20PM
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@ David S:

Not a sign he SHOULD go but a sign that there is serious consideration for that to happen. Local newspapers don't start throwing out controversies like firing the coach unless it there is seriously consideration to it coming to that. I don't have any inside knowledge of how newspapers report on that, that is just what I have noticed over the years...

RB, you could comment on when local reporters begin to talk about firing a coach, but I'm guessing it's not a topic they want to bring up if things are not seriously looking that way...

Enjoy the game everyone!

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#38 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:21PM
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David S wrote:

doggie-style D wrote: The poll in the newspaper is a serious sign that his time has come, if you ask me! A poll in the Sun. Yeah, that cemented it for me.

time has come and gone!! 10 times over again!!! Its very difficult to support a bunch of cry babies.

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#39 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:23PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

Wej wrote: It’s nice to see that Bell and Sportsnet are blocking the HD feed for the west again today. I’m so happy I’m paying for an HD package and there’s no HD. Oh well. Oilers win 3-2. I have it… Sportsnet has that permanent HD channel now. It’s channel 211 up here in Fort McMurray.

No s*it No HD feed in E town! Bunch of BS!!!

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#40 David S
February 08 2009, 01:24PM
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doggie-style D wrote:

RB, you could comment on when local reporters begin to talk about firing a coach, but I’m guessing it’s not a topic they want to bring up if things are not seriously looking that way…

You should listen to the Tambellini interview on Gregor's Just a Game site.

*The SUN is a rag at best. It's not exactly a source of enlightenment in Edmonton.

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#41 David S
February 08 2009, 01:25PM
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Nice job Zach!

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#42 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:26PM
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When ARe the F N so called leaders on this team gonna start leading by example .....Souray!!

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#43 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:28PM
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Bru Man wrote:

When ARe the F N so called leaders on this team gonna start leading by example …..Souray!!

Crap like that loses games chance to get up by 2 and now were even stupid stupid.....

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#44 David S
February 08 2009, 01:29PM
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I remember when they had to change the 4X4 rules because we'd tear teams apart with it.

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#45 mosse66
February 08 2009, 01:29PM
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@ Bru Man: David S wrote:

doggie-style D wrote: RB, you could comment on when local reporters begin to talk about firing a coach, but I’m guessing it’s not a topic they want to bring up if things are not seriously looking that way… You should listen to the Tambellini interview on Gregor’s Just a Game site. *The SUN is a rag at best. It’s not exactly a source of enlightenment in Edmonton.

Bru-man Don't you have anything better to do? This game is going to be boring anyway!!!

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#46 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:32PM
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Ontario Oilfan wrote:

RyanD wrote: Thanks for commenting on Gene. I don’t like to hate on the guy, but his interview questions are getting old. I agree that the questions are getting old and would say that the answers are wearing thing as well. It’s good to see some opinion that takes the team to task for how its leaders respond. I think a lot of fans who hover around this team are starting to see the same BS game in and game out and are getting wise to it. Better teams would have made a change long ago. It’s getting tiresome.

Speaking about getting old how would you like to be a reporter in E town covering the same B.S. every year getting the same answers from the coach ..that are just worded different!!And not being able to ask the "tough questions". well,... you could ask thew tough questions but you know you will; be Mac T bagged!!..

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#47 mosse66
February 08 2009, 01:36PM
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@ Bru Man: Bru Man wrote:

Ontario Oilfan wrote: RyanD wrote: Thanks for commenting on Gene. I don’t like to hate on the guy, but his interview questions are getting old. I agree that the questions are getting old and would say that the answers are wearing thing as well. It’s good to see some opinion that takes the team to task for how its leaders respond. I think a lot of fans who hover around this team are starting to see the same BS game in and game out and are getting wise to it. Better teams would have made a change long ago. It’s getting tiresome. Speaking about getting old how would you like to be a reporter in E town covering the same B.S. every year getting the same answers from the coach ..that are just worded different!!And not being able to ask the “tough questions”. well,… you could ask thew tough questions but you know you will; be Mac T bagged!!..

I agree with you but i think I'm getting bru-bagged!! Come up with new material will ya!! Same old, Same old!!

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#48 Bru Man
February 08 2009, 01:36PM
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mosse66 wrote:

@ Bru Man: David S wrote: doggie-style D wrote: RB, you could comment on when local reporters begin to talk about firing a coach, but I’m guessing it’s not a topic they want to bring up if things are not seriously looking that way… You should listen to the Tambellini interview on Gregor’s Just a Game site. *The SUN is a rag at best. It’s not exactly a source of enlightenment in Edmonton. Bru-man Don’t you have anything better to do? This game is going to be boring anyway!!!

No actually I dont have anything better to do.. I already cleaned up the damn mess my friends left me last night.. what a bunch of losers eh..

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#49 Wej
February 08 2009, 01:44PM
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Roloson's a F**king joke.

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#50 Wej
February 08 2009, 01:46PM
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@ Travis Dakin:

I am, and it hasn't been fixed here. Roar.

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