No Oil Country for Old Men

Robin Brownlee
March 10 2009 11:53AM

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I love old guys because I am one. I appreciate old stuff because, well, there's something to be said for time-tested reliability and familiarity even when it's obvious there's newer, better junk around.

But, even as a writer who believes my most creative years are ahead of me despite having blown out 50 candles on the cake, as somebody who has a leather jacket I'll never toss even though it's older than Sam Gagner, I'm convinced there's no room for nostalgia when it comes to mapping out the future of the Edmonton Oilers.

So, while I applaud Kevin Lowe's willingness to think outside the box in his pursuit of Jaromir Jagr, the last thing I want to see is what's left of the once-great Mario Jr. draped in Oilers silks next season.

While landing Jagr as a Czech Mate for Ales Hemsky would qualify to some as a big splash, history suggests the now 37-year-old future Hall-of-Famer is one piece of nostalgia -- at $7 million or so a season -- Lowe and the Oilers can't afford.

Hey, I still own a TV that provided the best picture money could buy in 1988, but I won't be using it as the centrepiece for the home theatre my wife and I are building downstairs at Chez Brownlee. And I still consider Sean Connery the best James Bond ever, even if chicks now see a bald old man.

What I see when I look at Jagr, a once-great player whose best days are well behind him, is a warm, fuzzy repeat of Adam Oates and Jiri Dopita, or Glenn Anderson revisited. I see good intentions, time and money wasted on looking back instead of ahead.

I see a mistake waiting to happen.

Can’t turn back time

The Journal broke the news about Lowe's pursuit of Jagr, who is toiling with Omsk Avangard in the Russian League. Some people considered the bid pie-in-the-sky stuff. It wasn't, as subsequent reports have shown.

As for me, well, I didn't have to think back all that far to vividly remember some blatant failures involving attempts by the Oilers to rekindle the past glories of 30-Something players.

  • There wasn't anything to lose when Glen Sather brought back Anderson for the 1995-96 season at age 34 because the Oilers were awful and weren't going anywhere despite Doug Weight's 104 points. Anderson's stint his second time around lasted just 17 games, a stretch in which he produced decent numbers with 4-6-10. But Anderson wasn't a fit in the dressing room with Ron Low's young team and the replica of the Stanley Cup Andy kept in his locker stall was, frankly, embarrassing.
  • Lowe gave Dopita, a national hero in the Czech Republic for his exploits in international play, a twirl to start 2002-03. Dopita, then 33, was supposed to be the best guy in the world not playing in the NHL. Despite obvious skill, Dopita had the foot speed of a cigar store Indian. He was a horrendous fit on a team that skated well. Dopita had just 1-5-6 in 21 games when Lowe had seen enough. Dopita was bought out.
  • Oates was 41 and was widely regarded as one of the best set-up men of his generation when he inked a $1.75 million deal and pulled on Oiler silks for the 2003-04 season. Unfortunately for Lowe, Oates was 10 years removed from his prime and his career-high 142 points of 1992-93. Oates was a positive presence in the dressing room and was a mentor to Jarret Stoll and Shawn Horcoff, but he didn't produce: 2-16-18 in 60 games. Such a pro was Oates, he offered to give back some of his salary for the season when it became clear he'd flopped. Still, a failure.

Thanks for the memories

I get it that Jagr, who has 1,599 points in 1,273 regular season games with Pittsburgh, Washington and the New York Rangers, was a better player in his prime than Dopita and Oates.

Still, I don't have to crunch a lot of numbers or dust off the NHL record book to know that even the best players are in decline at the age of 35, let alone pushing 38. Jagr is not an exception to the rule.

In 2005-06 with the Rangers, Jagr had 123 points. In 2006-07, he dipped to 96 points. In 2007-08 he had 71 points. In each of those seasons he played 82 games. So, in 2009-10, if Lowe and the Oilers get him, he'll produce how many points?

If Lowe and GM Steve Tambellini want to make a significant splash as opposed to a big splash, they'd be better off throwing $7 million at somebody NOT born before 1980. Find a UFA. Or make an offer sheet. What they don't need is another blast from the past to blow up in their faces.

If there's anybody who thinks Mario Sr. is the answer for the Oilers moving forward, I'd strongly suggest you're mistaken. And, for top dollar, I'd like to sell you an Eight-Track tape deck that used to be top-of-the-line.

Worked like a hot damn. Honest.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6pm on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#1 swany
March 10 2009, 12:01PM
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I still think Edmonton's best option is for them to try and trade for Kovalchuk in the summer, he will be a UFA next year and I don't see Atlanta loosing him for nothing. What I like Trade for Kovy and sign Jay-Bo. Jagr would have been nice about 3 years ago, or if Klowe would just have given him 2 years last year we could have seen what is left in the tank. Now that ship has sailed

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#2 The Towel Boy
March 10 2009, 12:02PM
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Yah...I'm not really in with the Jagr thing.

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#3 Pokie Reddik
March 10 2009, 12:10PM
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I agree with Robin, It's like the Oilers hanging on to MacT, Sure he took them to them to game 7 of the stanley cup finals in 06 , He nailed the girl, but he didn't get her pregnant.

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#4 Rival
March 10 2009, 12:13PM
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I would of been open to seeing him here for he remainder of the season but I'm starting to think signing him to huge jack for next season could be another nightmare this team does not need.

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#5 Colin
March 10 2009, 12:13PM
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swany wrote:

I still think Edmonton’s best option is for them to try and trade for Kovalchuk in the summer, he will be a UFA next year and I don’t see Atlanta loosing him for nothing. What I like Trade for Kovy and sign Jay-Bo. Jagr would have been nice about 3 years ago, or if Klowe would just have given him 2 years last year we could have seen what is left in the tank. Now that ship has sailed

While Jagr potentially fills a hole the oilers have (although I agree with Robin in principal), JBo adds nothing. This team already has 4 expensive puck moving defensemen, adding another is ludicrous in the extreme. Having more than half your cap hit in your Dmen is a recipe for failure. I would much rather see Jagr than Jaybo in Oilers silks at this point unless 2 of our 4 offensive defensemen are moving(and then you'd better get an elite top 3 forward under a good contract in return).

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#6 mjsh
March 10 2009, 12:15PM
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I went to the game against the Rangers last year. I remember thinking that Jagr was well past his prime and then late in the game he got a couple points. I also remember seeing him in his first year in the league when the Penguins came to town. What a player he was. In Nagano he and Hasek won the czechs the medal.

Too bad you are right about him and his age. I am also on the get Kovy bandwagon. Wonder if that will happen.

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#7 Tombo
March 10 2009, 12:16PM
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Is it confirmed that the offer the Oilers would be giving Jagr now would be equivilent to the one they offered up last summer? I have no problem with them taking a chance on the guy if he's the best option out there, but not for 7 mil. With the cap potentially going down next season I'd be suprised to see anyone give him that kind of money to come back.

Could definetly see JJ having some "Old man power" and becoming a factor for us. Similar to Rod the Bod in Carolina.

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#8 swany
March 10 2009, 12:17PM
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Colin wrote:

swany wrote: I still think Edmonton’s best option is for them to try and trade for Kovalchuk in the summer, he will be a UFA next year and I don’t see Atlanta loosing him for nothing. What I like Trade for Kovy and sign Jay-Bo. Jagr would have been nice about 3 years ago, or if Klowe would just have given him 2 years last year we could have seen what is left in the tank. Now that ship has sailed While Jagr potentially fills a hole the oilers have (although I agree with Robin in principal), JBo adds nothing. This team already has 4 expensive puck moving defensemen, adding another is ludicrous in the extreme. Having more than half your cap hit in your Dmen is a recipe for failure. I would much rather see Jagr than Jaybo in Oilers silks at this point unless 2 of our 4 offensive defensemen are moving(and then you’d better get an elite top 3 forward under a good contract in return).

You do you think we trade for Kovy a puck mover will have to be delt for our coveted LW sniper that's why you try for Jay-Bo.

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#9 Poo Czar
March 10 2009, 12:18PM
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That picture should be on the cover of the future potentially awesome coffee table book "Hockey's Greatest Mullets".

Back cover? Iafrate's Skullet.

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#10 Loki
March 10 2009, 12:21PM
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At 7 million a year I might have an issue with it. I wouldn't mind it for under 5 (4 would be awesome). Even if his pts drop off again to 60, are 60 pts worth 4 million? To the Oilers I think so. Each of those years he had 54-30-25 Goals, so a 25 goal 60 pt man would put him above Dustin Penners #'s.

By no means do I say he is first option. Throw money at people like Hossa again before Jagr, but if they dont sign... I'd take it as an appeasement signing for the fans (Dustin Penner anyone?).

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#11 topshelf
March 10 2009, 12:22PM
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Does this team have a 5 year plan? If so, where are we in that plan? And also, How does signing a 73 year old sniper fit into that plan?

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#12 Thorn
March 10 2009, 12:24PM
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I don't think you need a crystal ball to predict this one. Sure I'd love to see the Czech Mate line since this rumor's been around for years, but I'd have an easier time digesting a seafood taco from a roadside stand in Mexico than dropping 7 mil to land Jagr for a year. Kovalchuk! Lets land this scoring dynamo ASAP double SAP!

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#13 Librarian Mike
March 10 2009, 12:25PM
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@ Poo Czar: ...and the inside insert would be of 'Kirk Mullet' on draft day.

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#14 Poo Czar
March 10 2009, 12:25PM
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I thought the 7 mil for next year was a "poison pill" in the potential contract to sneak him through waivers. They wouldn't ACTUALLY pay Jagr that much would they? That's Horcoff money for cripes sakes!

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#15 Word
March 10 2009, 12:26PM
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I didn't know that about Oates. Extremely classy, although the union would have gone bananas.

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#16 Loki
March 10 2009, 12:30PM
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@ Word: Ya, classy, and he knew it was last year so thats why I think he did it - knew the Union couldn't really do anything. A flop, but turned our boys into faceoff wizards. Probably was decent to have in dressing room too

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#17 Tyler
March 10 2009, 12:51PM
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If Lowe and GM Steve Tambellini want to make a significant splash as opposed to a big splash, they’d be better off throwing $7 million at somebody NOT born before 1980.

This sentence is like a kick in the junk. Surely, SURELY, you meant NOT born before 1973?

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#18 Harlie Chuddy
March 10 2009, 12:55PM
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Hemmer's BFF Kots will be mighty upset if Jagr signs here. Cat fight cat fight! CLAP CLAP

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#19 JRocks247
March 10 2009, 01:08PM
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Signing Jagr would be the worst idea since going to a party with a boner in sweat pants....

Karl in Rosemeade

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#20 Ender the Dragon
March 10 2009, 01:19PM
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Poo Czar wrote:

I thought the 7 mil for next year was a “poison pill” in the potential contract to sneak him through waivers. They wouldn’t ACTUALLY pay Jagr that much would they?

Larry Brooks of the New York Post wrote:

"The contract with the Oilers, we're told, would have included a 'poison pill' obligation of upward of $7 million for next year in order to discourage the competition - specifically, Pittsburgh - from claiming Jagr on waivers upon his return to the NHL.

I read that as being 'No', they wouldn't actually pay him $7M per year. Somehow, someway over the course of the contract, that becomes significantly less. Maybe he plays for free next year or something.

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#21 CurtisS
March 10 2009, 01:33PM
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1 year nothing to give up..........Why the ***** not?

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#22 speeds
March 10 2009, 01:35PM
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I'm expecting a run of hate, but if EDM's going to bring someone out of Russia, I'm not sure Yashin isn't a better option.

Younger, a C, would cost much less (at least, if he didn't, you wouldn't want him). He's not in a position to have to be a leader, he can be the "#2 C".

He gets a bad reputation as a "cancer", and for all I know that's true (in which case there are probably better options), or a "floater", but he's a good fit in some ways. And from what I read of him on the Island, it was never an issue of him being a bad teammate, or not a team guy - just that he didn't live up to expectations.

I'm not convinced he'd be thee best possible fit, but I think he'd be at least worth exploring as an option, price dependant

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#23 Ender the Dragon
March 10 2009, 01:38PM
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speeds wrote:

. . . if EDM’s going to bring someone out of Russia, I’m not sure Yashin isn’t a better option.

Well, if you wanted someone to teach Dustin Penner what a real bad contract looked like, Yashin would be your guy.

Yashin: What, $4M? You got ripped off. Why even lace up your skates for that price?

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#24 baggedmilk
March 10 2009, 01:40PM
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JRocks247 wrote:

Signing Jagr would be the worst idea since going to a party with a boner in sweat pants….

Wait... How is that a BAD idea?

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#25 Deep Oil
March 10 2009, 01:40PM
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swany wrote:

I still think Edmonton’s best option is for them to try and trade for Kovalchuk in the summer, he will be a UFA next year and I don’t see Atlanta loosing him for nothing. What I like Trade for Kovy and sign Jay-Bo. Jagr would have been nice about 3 years ago, or if Klowe would just have given him 2 years last year we could have seen what is left in the tank. Now that ship has sailed

With the cap being presented in a downward trend by MSM, how would you pull this off via our $43mm with the following people unsigned.... the following year the kids need a new deal, as well....

Roloson Smid (trade bait?) Grebs Reddox Brodziak Kotalik (optional rental)

How about Horcoff, Penner, and a first round for Kovalchuk and a negative contract (dump) back....

Jay Bo will get 7.5 per year - 5 year deal.... Calgary looks to strapped for room at the moment. Hot Stove and Lebrun feel the west is where he is headed. Melrose went on a limb (LOL) and said he may sign in Edmonton.

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#26 Colin
March 10 2009, 01:42PM
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Loki wrote:

@ Word: Ya, classy, and he knew it was last year so thats why I think he did it - knew the Union couldn’t really do anything. A flop, but turned our boys into faceoff wizards. Probably was decent to have in dressing room too

Bringing in a guy like Oates to tutor Gagner and Cogliano on faceoffs would be superb, I wouldn't mind bringing in a guy like that on a 2mil/1yr deal.

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#27 yo
March 10 2009, 01:44PM
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lowe tries to prove common-sense and the rest of the hockey world wrong with one of his Hail Mary bone-head deals. The mere suggestion of this is grounds for firing. If Tambellini is in agreement on this he should also be axed. This Oiler comedy of errors just keeps getting better and better.

Look south to the Flames and the way Sutter has steadily built up that team. He has out-maneuvered and out-managed Lowe every year. I don't say hire a Sutter necessarily but hire someone who has a clue.

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#28 Ender the Dragon
March 10 2009, 01:46PM
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Colin wrote:

Bringing in a guy like Oates to tutor Gagner and Cogliano on faceoffs would be superb, I wouldn’t mind bringing in a guy like that on a 2mil/1yr deal.

Hmmmm, I'm thinking that you could hire pretty much the best face-of coach in the world for way under $2M, and you wouldn't need to tie up a roster spot to do it. If you're signing a hockey player, though, they better be able to play hockey.

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#29 W.T.
March 10 2009, 01:46PM
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W.T. asks everyone to remember when this rumour was flying around that both Tambo and Klowe came out and said that they had NO interest in Jagr at all, end of storey. Do you think they are lying to the great Oiler Nation? A high quality man like KLowe would try and pull the wool over the sheep's eyes?

W.T. says R.B. didn't like it when W.T. suggested Kovy coming to Oil. Why won't this storey die then, maybe Tambo and KLowe can make a joint statement to clear this up. You know everyone will believe them don't you?

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#30 Ender the Dragon
March 10 2009, 01:52PM
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W.T. wrote:

W.T. says R.B. didn’t like it when W.T. suggested Kovy coming to Oil. Why won’t this storey die then, maybe Tambo and KLowe can make a joint statement to clear this up. You know everyone will believe them don’t you?

We still don't believe you, Deep Oil, because you've never offered one shred of credible proof to this baseless fantasy of yours. Thus, RB and everyone else here has every right to assume that you're just Deeply full of it.

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#31 Ender the Dragon
March 10 2009, 01:54PM
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@ W.T.:

Oh, wait, I get the two Wonderkinds confused sometimes. Apologies to Deep Oil (can't believe I'm saying that) if he wasn't driving this particular train-wreck.

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#32 Colin
March 10 2009, 02:04PM
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Ender the Dragon wrote:

Colin wrote: Bringing in a guy like Oates to tutor Gagner and Cogliano on faceoffs would be superb, I wouldn’t mind bringing in a guy like that on a 2mil/1yr deal. Hmmmm, I’m thinking that you could hire pretty much the best face-of coach in the world for way under $2M, and you wouldn’t need to tie up a roster spot to do it. If you’re signing a hockey player, though, they better be able to play hockey.

That's true of course, in the context of the thread it hadn't occured to me.

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#33 David Staples
March 10 2009, 02:11PM
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Robin.

Of course, old guys rock.

And, of course, you're right to skeptical of older players, and the Oilers are loaded up with them already.

Peter Adler tells me a bunch of coaches in Russia are wondering the same thing: Why would the Oil want an aging player, even an aging superstar player?

But Jagr was still a strong player his last year in New York, it would appear.

And one year of Jagr would make for big-time entertainment, lots of buzz/controversy, and this is show biz after all.

So, unless the Oil can pick up someone else, I'm good with it on a few different levels.

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#34 Robin Brownlee
March 10 2009, 02:26PM
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David Staples wrote:

And one year of Jagr would make for big-time entertainment, lots of buzz/controversy, and this is show biz after all.

Entertainment? Watching a has-been coast toward his 38th birthday? Controversy? Like, there'd be much of an argument No. 68 is done after he hit the all-star break with 26 points? Show biz? Hire Jerry Springer. A lot of people dig his act. He'd cheaper and he won't do a damn thing to contribute to the development of Sam Gagner or Andrew Cogliano, either.

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#35 Deep Oil
March 10 2009, 02:32PM
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Ender the Dragon wrote:

W.T. wrote: W.T. says R.B. didn’t like it when W.T. suggested Kovy coming to Oil. Why won’t this storey die then, maybe Tambo and KLowe can make a joint statement to clear this up. You know everyone will believe them don’t you? We still don’t believe you, Deep Oil, because you’ve never offered one shred of credible proof to this baseless fantasy of yours. Thus, RB and everyone else here has every right to assume that you’re just Deeply full of it.

Please note WT is not the same person as myself - Deep Oil. Please redirect your comments - you are off base and incorrect.

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#36 Robin Brownlee
March 10 2009, 02:38PM
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Loki wrote:

@ Word: Ya, classy, and he knew it was last year so thats why I think he did it - knew the Union couldn’t really do anything. A flop, but turned our boys into faceoff wizards. Probably was decent to have in dressing room too

Yes, Oates did everything the Oilers could possible ask of him, EXCEPT produce on the ice. Adam was very good with the younger players, never bitched and worked diligently to regain his game and, like I said, even offered to give some of his salary back.

I wrote a column praising Oates for his professionalism in the face of disappointing results toward the end of the season and that got W.T. all revved up. Howard phoned into John Short's show and called me an ass-kisser. Thus began a wonderful relationship leading up to our little, ahem, disagreement on Stauffer's show.

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#37 Rick
March 10 2009, 02:38PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

He’d cheaper and he won’t do a damn thing to contribute to the development of Sam Gagner or Andrew Cogliano, either.

This is in part why signing Jagr is a miss for me too.

What's the end game? The Oilers aren't one elusive piece away from a cup run and he certainly doesn't fit as a longer term building block.

If anything a Jagr signing would set off alarm bells because it would smell like the move of a meddling owner treating the team like a play toy which never ever seemd to end well.

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#38 Robin Brownlee
March 10 2009, 02:49PM
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@ Rick: Remember the buzz when Kevin Lowe was leaving the door open for Mark Messier? Yes, the possibility kind of made for a warm and fuzzy stroll down memory lane, but from a hockey perspective it made no sense. Moose was done by then. Jagr was a magnificent player, but he's done now.

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#39 David S
March 10 2009, 02:55PM
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The Jagr deal might be a red herring. Sometimes it's just as valuable to be seen trying to do something instead of actually doing it. Why? Notice how this thread has had a minumum of "fire MacT" posts (or at least it hasn't been sucked into that hole quite yet as most posts here do)?

On the other hand, 99% of the fans in Edmonton would be jazzed to see Jagr playing here for a year. Don't forget that the vast majority of the public still loves this team. Every time I'm at a game, it's patently obvious that most in the seats aren't wasting their time posting negative commentary to fire macT on a website. It's those people who are paying the freight and those who the team markets to. You can bet that if Oilers management thinks Jagr will bring in more cash, they'll try to get him here.

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#40 Peter Pan
March 10 2009, 02:59PM
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As much as I agree with you Robin, I'm sure Jags would still contend to lead his team in points. And old, has-been, past-his-prime Jagr would out score all the current Oilers, with the exception of Hemsky. But you're right... he wouldn't benefit the development of the Kids. And as you put it, time to think ahead rather than relive the past. I guy I would like to see here is Cammalerri (sp.) perhaps. Small, but a good hockey player. And a true #1 centre. Plus it would be nice to take a player from the Flames this time.

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#41 swany
March 10 2009, 03:05PM
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Deep Oil wrote:

swany wrote: I still think Edmonton’s best option is for them to try and trade for Kovalchuk in the summer, he will be a UFA next year and I don’t see Atlanta loosing him for nothing. What I like Trade for Kovy and sign Jay-Bo. Jagr would have been nice about 3 years ago, or if Klowe would just have given him 2 years last year we could have seen what is left in the tank. Now that ship has sailed With the cap being presented in a downward trend by MSM, how would you pull this off via our $43mm with the following people unsigned…. the following year the kids need a new deal, as well…. Roloson Smid (trade bait?) Grebs Reddox Brodziak Kotalik (optional rental) How about Horcoff, Penner, and a first round for Kovalchuk and a negative contract (dump) back…. Jay Bo will get 7.5 per year - 5 year deal…. Calgary looks to strapped for room at the moment. Hot Stove and Lebrun feel the west is where he is headed. Melrose went on a limb (LOL) and said he may sign in Edmonton.

It's not just Lebrun, It's been Kypreos, Dreger, Strackan, any # of media types have said Jay wants to go back to Edmonton, now I know RB says that it is unlikly, and I tend to agree with him but can so many "guys in the know be wrong". Jay is a second behind getting a guy like Kovy our D is good for next year but if it takes a Gilbert or Vis to get Kovy then you have to look at sign Jay.

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#42 TIM S
March 10 2009, 03:23PM
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Jagr had a decent year that final year in NY, and had a great playoff. If you can't trade/sign that big name center/LW to play with Hemsky this summer I would be fine with picking up Jagr on a one year deal.

The other 2 oldies we brought in Oates and Dopita were different players all together. Even in there glory days neither was a quick or probably even average skaters. Dopita looked bad the year before we picked him up so the writing was on the wall. And Oates was signed after the season started so he was behind the 8 ball right from the start.

The Oilers need to get someone with some offensive talent, even if it is a declining talent.

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#43 Robin Brownlee
March 10 2009, 03:37PM
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@ TIM S: So, unless you think the Oilers would contend for a Stanley Cup with Jagr, what's the point of using a roster spot for him on a one-year deal?

And how much are you willing to spend for 50-60 points? I'll concede a washed up Jagr could be better (more productive) than anybody on the roster outside Hemsky, Horcoff and maybe O'Sullivan, but what do you gain?

I'm thinking there's younger and longer-term possibilities out there (some via trade) at Jagr's price point.

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#44 swany
March 10 2009, 03:44PM
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@ TIM S: So, unless you think the Oilers would contend for a Stanley Cup with Jagr, what’s the point of using a roster spot for him on a one-year deal? And how much are you willing to spend for 50-60 points? I’ll concede a washed up Jagr could be better (more productive) than anybody on the roster outside Hemsky, Horcoff and maybe O’Sullivan, but what do you gain? I’m thinking there’s younger and longer-term possibilities out there (some via trade) at Jagr’s price point.

Like i posted above Kovy at 7 -7.5 mil is WAY better than Jagr. He has nobody setting him up in Atlanta and still gets 40+ a season with Hemmer I see 50+ a year.

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#45 Stuart
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What's Jagr worth if he bags 50-60 points? Could he be the missing ingredient to a cup contender?

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It’s not just Lebrun, It’s been Kypreos, Dreger, Strackan, any # of media types have said Jay wants to go back to Edmonton, now I know RB says that it is unlikly, and I tend to agree with him but can so many “guys in the know be wrong”. Jay is a second behind getting a guy like Kovy our D is good for next year but if it takes a Gilbert or Vis to get Kovy then you have to look at sign Jay.

I don't know. How many of them had Cole going back to Carolina? Pierre and the rest of the guys you mentioned are national guys who are looking at all 30 teams -- they don't concentrate on the Oilers. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's no longer a case of Bouwmeester saying, "No way I'll ever play in Edmonton no matter what." He is more open to the idea and that could allow the Oilers a shot at him, but it's a stretch to say he "wants to play in Edmonton."

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Like i posted above Kovy at 7 -7.5 mil is WAY better than Jagr. He has nobody setting him up in Atlanta and still gets 40+ a season with Hemmer I see 50+ a year.

Kovalchuk might be a better idea than Jagr, but that doesn't necesarily make him a good idea. It would depend largely on what you had to give up to get him -- remembering it might be for only one season.

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What’s Jagr worth if he bags 50-60 points? Could he be the missing ingredient to a cup contender?

If you think Jagr at 37 makes this team a Stanley Cup contender, I want to talk to you about those Eight Track decks I've got for sale. Special price just for you, today only.

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#48 CurtisS
March 10 2009, 04:11PM
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With Philly in Cap trouble for next year and years to come.....Anyway we could pry out Gagne or Carter or Briere out of Philly?

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swany wrote: It’s not just Lebrun, It’s been Kypreos, Dreger, Strackan, any # of media types have said Jay wants to go back to Edmonton, now I know RB says that it is unlikly, and I tend to agree with him but can so many “guys in the know be wrong”. Jay is a second behind getting a guy like Kovy our D is good for next year but if it takes a Gilbert or Vis to get Kovy then you have to look at sign Jay. I don’t know. How many of them had Cole going back to Carolina? Pierre and the rest of the guys you mentioned are national guys who are looking at all 30 teams — they don’t concentrate on the Oilers. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: it’s no longer a case of Bouwmeester saying, “No way I’ll ever play in Edmonton no matter what.” He is more open to the idea and that could allow the Oilers a shot at him, but it’s a stretch to say he “wants to play in Edmonton.” swany wrote: Like i posted above Kovy at 7 -7.5 mil is WAY better than Jagr. He has nobody setting him up in Atlanta and still gets 40+ a season with Hemmer I see 50+ a year. Kovalchuk might be a better idea than Jagr, but that doesn’t necesarily make him a good idea. It would depend largely on what you had to give up to get him — remembering it might be for only one season.

That's where I send Vis or Gilbert for Kovy and then try to sign Jay, and RB I gave you props in my post when I said I tend to agree WITH YOU, just saying what the other guys are saying. Kovy for Gilbert Nilsson, and a prospect. Then trade Smid and Penner for the rights to Jay on a sign and trade, then hang up before the laughing starts.

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#50 The Menace
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I think Jagr would be great if we needed extra sizzle here. However, last I checked, we already sell-out every home game (or darn close). We don't need the sizzle anymore, we need the steak. We need a legit 40+ goal threat. Let Jagr go somewhere they need to sell tickets.

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