News & Notes: The Game Last Night And More

Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009 09:47AM

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My thoughts on last night’s game, and some news and notes from elsewhere.

On Last Night’s Game

So I went over to a buddy’s place and watched the Oilers play Montreal on RDS last night. It was a good game, and it felt to me like they played better than they had in many of their recent wins (including the Saturday game against Toronto). Some scattered thoughts from the game:

The fourth line looked awful. Liam Reddox had an ugly giveaway within the first ten minutes, and things just got worse after that. Stortini, Brodziak and Reddox were penned in their own end on at least three different shifts, and looked very much like the weakest of the Oilers’ four lines.

The first line wasn’t all that good, either. Maybe I’m biased because my expectations are so low, but Ales Kotalik looks not only like he isn’t a fit skill-wise, but also speed-wise. I’d put money on Dustin Penner in a foot race between the two, at least based on the last two nights. Hemsky picked up a point, but he’s slumping right now and neither he nor Shawn Horcoff looked great last night.

On the bright side, the second line was excellent. Sam Gagner had a couple of funny moments last night, but he scored a garbage goal and was generally creative. Marc Pouliot had a tremendous game, in my opinion, showing some moxie (Gagner wouldn’t have scored if Pouliot hadn’t been in there taking the punishment and poking the puck free, plus he went after Stewart after the latter clocked him to end the second) and some skill too. I’m not convinced that Pouliot’s role in the NHL is going to be on a scoring line, but he was a good fit last night. Robert Nilsson looked okay – he made one big hit in his own end and showed flashes of skill but seemed tentative to my eye.

Andrew Cogliano was buzzing all night and was a constant threat. The buddy I watched the game with is a Canadiens fan (why else would he have RDS), and Cogliano was the player that made him nervous.

Speaking of my friend, about half way through the second he started predicting what Steve Staios would do as he approached the puck. He was right every time, and every time he said something to the effect of “around the boards” or “chips it out”. I’ll say this for Staios – he’s consistent.

And since I’m talking about predictable defensemen, what an awful game for Jason Strudwick. He looked a step behind for most of the night, and on the second Montreal goal he was embarrassed by Mathieu Dandeneault (of all people). He ran out to challenge Dandeneault and blew by him, leaving two Canadiens at the right side of the Oilers’ net. Ladislav Smid had to decide whether to drop to the side of the net or hold the slot, and elected to stay in the slot (probably the right decision, given the Montreal player not far behind him), which allowed the Canadiens to bang in a goal from the right side.

Chorney to Manitoba?

The Manitoba Moose are looking for a puck-moving defenseman for their playoff run, and it’s possible that GM Craig Heisinger is considering Oilers’ prospect Taylor Chorney. Chorney’s been far better over the last half of this season, and if the Moose were interested I think the Oilers should consider loaning him there. Playoff experience, even AHL playoff experience, will only serve him in the long run.

Oilers Apologize To Springfield

Kevin Prendergast, who seems to be the Oilers’ point man on all things AHL, issued an apology to fans of the Springfield Falcons yesterday:

“We are in the business of winning hockey games and we failed miserably in Springfield this season. On behalf of the Oilers we apologize to the fans in Springfield who have supported this team through a very difficult year. We will begin plans immediately in addressing the problems on the ice this season and promise that we will do everything we can to put a more competitive and winning team on the ice next year.”

Next season will be the third and final year of the affiliation agreement between Springfield and Edmonton. Looks like any Oklahoma City plans will need to wait another season.

Ever Curious How Tough Minor-League Defensemen Are?

Here’s a scary story about Fort St. John Flyers defenseman Kip Noble, courtesy of energeticcity.ca:

Noble took a big hit from Spirit River's Mike Lefley, in the dying seconds of the third period, of Saturday night's game four. The game went into overtime, where it was won by the Flyers (Jeff Shipton with the winner), giving FSJ a 3-1 series lead. The hit happened when the Rangers dumped the puck out of their zone, after tying the game up 3-3. Noble raced back to retrieve the puck, after icing was waved off by the officials. He was hit into the end-boards, and lay on the ice for several minutes before skating off on his own steam.

So that doesn’t sound so bad – he skated off under his own power, right? Here’s the rest:

He was taken to hospital, where he remains, as of Monday morning, according to GM Rob Larson. Noble is suffering from a separated shoulder, a broken rib, and a collapsed lung.

Noble had a nice career over in Britain and was the MVP of not only the Flyers but the entire league (the player he beat out for the award, by a single point, was Mike Lefley). He also won his seventh best defenseman award this year, and if he’s injured it will seriously hurt their chances of qualifying for the Allan Cup, which replaced the Stanley Cup as the pinnacle of senior amateur hockey achievement in 1909 after the Stanley Cup Championship became a professional competition.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 nutsandgum
March 11 2009, 12:04PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If the Oilers don’t make the playoffs, which I doubt considering their schedule, MacT will re-sign I bet.

Sorry, Jason, did you mean resign or re-sign? God, I hope it's the former, not the latter...

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#52 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 12:05PM
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@ topshelf:

1 in 1000, maybe less?

In fairness, Cogliano's been getting a ton of draws in the offensive zone - he's not exactly getting the Brodziak treatment from MacT.

That, and Sam Gagner hasn't had a great year.

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#53 Tyler
March 11 2009, 12:07PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Wanye Gretz: Brad Fast was born in Fort St. John (and played hockey with a buddy of mine). He got one game in the NHL with Carolina or L.A. Mark Hartigan (as Jason points out above) is actually a Cup winner, another Fort St. John guy who played with Detroit, Anaheim and elsewhere IIRC. Gerard Dicaire was a (Tampa Bay?) draft pick who spent a few seasons in the AHL under the Lightning and Sabres, and now plays for the Fort St. John Flyers. He’s from the area, but I don’t know where exactly. Dody Wood was a Sharks draft pick who played 100 games or so. He’s from Chetwynd, but was a scoring star for the Fort st. John Huskies when I was 10 or thereabouts. He was coaching in Horse Lake, but I don’t know where he is now. As for Towel Boy, I’m pretty sure he made up those names.

Phil Sykes would destroy any of those guys.

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#54 Colin
March 11 2009, 12:09PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

@ Mike L: @ Jonathan Willis: I like Strudwick Willis. He is tough as nails and fights guys for sending him a sideways glance. Is he going to win a Norris anytime soon? No. But he went to my Junior High even though I think I was in grade 1 or 2 when he was in grade nine. But kids playing floor hockey were always reminded that an NHL player went to our school. We played some excellent floor hockey in those days. Best games ever *nostalgic tear rolls down cheek for getting to play floor hockey in days of yore* Lay off my junior high floor hockey inspiration or face the wrath of a guy who still wishes he was 10 on occasion. FMNF

Now I want to play some Floor Hockey.

Damn it Wanye.

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#55 Wanye Gretz
March 11 2009, 12:11PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Mark Hartigan (as Jason points out above) is actually a Cup winner, another Fort St. John guy who played with Detroit, Anaheim and elsewhere IIRC. As for Towel Boy, I’m pretty sure he made up those names.

Wow Hartigan is actually a multiple cup winner. Mad props.

"As for towel boy" that's classic

*claps once, so loudly Mark Hartigan wins another cup*

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#56 CurtisS
March 11 2009, 12:12PM
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Smokin' Ray wrote:

CurtisS wrote: Mact lost us that win able game. 3 wins in last 10 games is not good enough! OMG! Was that MacT in the box during OT? How did that happen? Yeah. The coach lost that one alright. *shakes head*

-Tying goal guess who's out there??? Tanguay, Koivu and Kostitsyn - and Mact puts Reddox, Brodziak and Stortini out? Beautiful coaching right there.

Now call me crazy but that line got abosulety owned all night in their own end. Worst line on the ice by either team.

When that happens, in a playoff run with points so important you shorten the bench.

Mact lost us the game. Its not the players fault the 4 line was on the ice in such a critical point in the game.

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#57 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 12:13PM
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Tyler wrote:

Phil Sykes would destroy any of those guys.

How many Cups did he win, Tyler?

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#58 Tyler
March 11 2009, 12:17PM
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What's that JW? You've adopted the Oilers hiring philosophy and are now applying it to evaluating hockey players?

For shame sir.

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#59 topshelf
March 11 2009, 12:17PM
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@ CurtisS: I noticed on more than one occasion that that was the match up and they were getting owned in their own end. I know Montreal gets the last change but come on, mix it up or at least try. One time Mac T actually put Brodziak's line out for the d-zone draw.

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#60 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 12:18PM
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Tyler wrote:

What’s that JW? You’ve adopted the Oilers hiring philosophy and are now applying it to evaluating hockey players? For shame sir.

Well played, sir. Well played.

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#61 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 12:20PM
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@ topshelf: @ CurtisS:

MacTavish has been occasionally running his 4th line out against the opponents top line for weeks now.

It's just a little inexplicable.

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#62 Wanye Gretz
March 11 2009, 12:22PM
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Colin wrote:

Now I want to play some Floor Hockey. Damn it Wanye.

I'd give anything to play floor hockey at work. Seriously, anything.

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#63 Kevin "Lets the shot go!" Quinn
March 11 2009, 12:24PM
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From the moment the OT started until the time Montreal scored, the Oilers didn't have possession of the puck ONCE

awful

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#64 CurtisS
March 11 2009, 12:24PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: You are correct

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#65 topshelf
March 11 2009, 12:26PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Even when it was 3-2 they shouldn't be out there. Send Brodziak out to take the draw if need be. I just don't get it Mac T sometimes.

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#66 Jason Gregor
March 11 2009, 12:26PM
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Peckham has been recalled...just in case Souray isn't healthy enough to go tomorrow. It sounds like he should play, but they won't risk one game and have him aggravate the injury.

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#67 Mr P
March 11 2009, 12:27PM
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Wade Campbell was the biggest guy in the NHL when I was 10.

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#68 topshelf
March 11 2009, 12:30PM
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What about Penner? Is he on the shelf as well for a bit?

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#69 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
March 11 2009, 12:34PM
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The Oilers just recalled Peckham. Is this for precaution in case Souray cant play?

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#70 topshelf
March 11 2009, 12:35PM
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@ Jack "FMNF" Bauer: Look up two posts.

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#71 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
March 11 2009, 12:38PM
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hahahha..thanks bud. I was in the process of reading the thread for the last 20 minutes and didnt refresh before I posted.

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#72 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 12:39PM
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CurtisS wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: If mact is still coaching this team next year im done with the oilers and prob hockey in general.

Can we get a two for one firing and remove LOWE from DOHO and give him the chair while Uncle Cal is away from the pharm.... interesting web poll on theteam1260.com today.... this non rightsholders station actually was questioning the integrity of DOHO's actions (see non rights holder FAN 960 Howard Berger / Ron Wilson leafs) and calling out his multiple errors.

Nation - we have both a coaching (past before date) problem and a roster problem.... unfortunately, DOHO has done irrepairable cap harm, draft pick loss for the next 3 years - who is Horcoff's agent, he should really become a divorce lawyer - more clients, more commissions, and with that ability to turn your negotitations into fantasy... this guy is liquid gold.

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#73 shakey
March 11 2009, 12:41PM
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We used to have this d-bag Phys Ed teacher back in grade 8 that let us body check and play with that hard orange ball. If one team was short a guy he would join them and the prick would always rifle slap-shots at the goalie. Which most of the time was me. I did everything I could not to let him score or see the pain after I took one in the ribs. I hated that f**ker.

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#74 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 12:42PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ topshelf: @ CurtisS: MacTavish has been occasionally running his 4th line out against the opponents top line for weeks now. It’s just a little inexplicable.

for the common folk inexplicable is (impossible to explain) - I went to the dictionary and why is MACT's picture there....??????

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#75 shakey
March 11 2009, 12:45PM
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@ shakey: I hated that f**ker.

Ummmm...sounds like I still do. Maybe I should talk to someone about it. Deep Oil, can you recommend anyone?

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#76 5Cups
March 11 2009, 12:45PM
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Sure the 4th line was owned and you could ask why they were out for th etying goal, but it will not change the fact that this team is pathetic with a lead. I ran out of fingers to count the nuetral ice and blue line turnovers when we were leading by 1 with 5 left. Cogliano turned it over twice in the last 5 minutes at the blue line instead of getting it deep. I am sure I was not the only one hoping they would be able to kill of the power play at the end and get the point. They ran around looking like headless chickens for the last 15 minutes of the game. And I thought MacT was a defense first coach. Fooled me last night

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#77 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 12:45PM
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Jack "FMNF" Bauer wrote:

The Oilers just recalled Peckham. Is this for precaution in case Souray cant play?

No, LOWE collects all the airmiles from the players for his family vacations - thus the flights to and from.

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#78 humantorch
March 11 2009, 12:45PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Colin wrote: Now I want to play some Floor Hockey. Damn it Wanye. I’d give anything to play floor hockey at work. Seriously, anything.

It gets worse. There's no floor hockey in Europe, so I've resorted to signing up for the company co-ed Field Hockey team.

*hands in testicles, picks up mandatory set of ovaries, wonders just what in the hell to do with them*

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#79 topshelf
March 11 2009, 12:49PM
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@ 5Cups: Everything you said falls back to coaching does it not?

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#80 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 12:50PM
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@ Deep Oil:

Everybody questions Ron Wilson because he's acerbic. He's still a hell of a lot brighter than Berger.

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#81 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 12:56PM
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shakey wrote:

@ shakey: I hated that f**ker. Ummmm…sounds like I still do. Maybe I should talk to someone about it. Deep Oil, can you recommend anyone?

I just know lawyers and inmates - which one do you prefer ?

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#82 DK0
March 11 2009, 12:57PM
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All you guys wanting to play floor hockey should make a team: http://www.edmontonsportsclub.com/leagues/index.shtml I play dodgeball on Tuesdays with some guys from work and its 100% friggen awesome. Playing games you used to play as a 70 pound kid when your a fully grown adult is wicked.

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#83 shakey
March 11 2009, 12:57PM
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@ Deep Oil: That's a tough one...I'll get back to you.

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#84 swany
March 11 2009, 12:57PM
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CurtisS wrote:

Smokin’ Ray wrote: CurtisS wrote: Mact lost us that win able game. 3 wins in last 10 games is not good enough! OMG! Was that MacT in the box during OT? How did that happen? Yeah. The coach lost that one alright. *shakes head* -Tying goal guess who’s out there??? Tanguay, Koivu and Kostitsyn - and Mact puts Reddox, Brodziak and Stortini out? Beautiful coaching right there. Now call me crazy but that line got abosulety owned all night in their own end. Worst line on the ice by either team. When that happens, in a playoff run with points so important you shorten the bench. Mact lost us the game. Its not the players fault the 4 line was on the ice in such a critical point in the game.

We were at Montreal right don't they have last change, now I do agree with you what would you put them out there for in the last 5 min of the game, well JG DB and most media have come to the conclusion that Brods and Redoxx are VERY good at making sure the puck gets out they usually don't get out worked or give away the puck, how is Mact putting them on in Montreal any diffrent than them beeing on against any other team, I get it we only bring this up WHEN they get scored on, hopfully next time they are out there and don't get scored on we can blog about what a great coach Mact was for have them out there to save the game.

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#85 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 01:00PM
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@ Deep Oil: Everybody questions Ron Wilson because he’s acerbic. He’s still a hell of a lot brighter than Berger.

I am learning so many new words here..... this acid temper mood seems to go over better on a winning team. This rant falls into the Larry Brooks - Tortorella mine field.... it is just amusing that Wilson feels he can never be questioned.... fullfilling the NAPOLEON complex. I am sure that the LEAFS will be reviewing Howards press credentials this morning - coincidentally he blogs for Eklund - which means he writes almost for free - times must be tough in hogtown.

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#86 Deep Oil
March 11 2009, 01:03PM
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@ Deep Oil: That’s a tough one…I’ll get back to you.

I think you have a potential lawsuit against the school system for mental anguish, repressed emotional scarring, and lack of confidence in the adult world, based on this school teacher violating his sacred trust with the students and abusing your body with that orange ball.

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#87 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 01:07PM
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@ Deep Oil:

I made some fun of Berger earlier in the year (because he's often unintentionally hilarious), and I'm inclined to side with Wilson on this one. I don't know the whole story on their feud, but Berger implied that Wilson wasn't trying to win this season and Wilson over-reacted. I'm going to assume that Wilson gets away with it, given that his buddy Burke is in the GM's office.

Besides, there's a difference between legitimate questions and axe-grinding, and what Berger was doing sounded a lot like the latter. Not to excuse Wilson, who seems to be as touchy as they come.

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#88 Jason Gregor
March 11 2009, 01:18PM
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nutsandgum wrote:

Sorry, Jason, did you mean resign or re-sign? God, I hope it’s the former, not the latter…

My bad...resign as in leave voluntarily...

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#89 5Cups
March 11 2009, 01:20PM
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@ topshelf: Sure does, and I have not been one of the FMNF bunch, but I would no longer be upset if he was fired... I think it comes down to system buy in, and his players do not buy in. He might be a hockey smart guy, but his guys do not believe. Also, why can he not put a system in place that allows guys to be their best? At the moment, who is overachieving on this team? Roli and maybe Hemmer but I expected Hemmer to be point a game. There must be 10-12 guys who are under achieving. Some of that has to come down to the system they are playing not suiting this collection of guys

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#90 mjsh
March 11 2009, 01:34PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

Jonathan Willis wrote: Mark Hartigan (as Jason points out above) is actually a Cup winner, another Fort St. John guy who played with Detroit, Anaheim and elsewhere IIRC. As for Towel Boy, I’m pretty sure he made up those names. Wow Hartigan is actually a multiple cup winner. Mad props. “As for towel boy” that’s classic *claps once, so loudly Mark Hartigan wins another cup*

I don't think Mark can win another cup playing in Latvia. At least last I knew he was there.

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#91 topshelf
March 11 2009, 01:45PM
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@ 5Cups: With so many common denominators I don't understand how Mac T can salvage his job any longer.

Oh and I have a great idea for tomorrow nights game. Once the power play starts to struggle we should get a "ROBBIE ROBBIE" chant going. That would be pure comedy. Anyways, back to work..

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#92 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 02:02PM
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mjsh wrote:

I don't think Mark can win another cup playing in Latvia. At least last I knew he was there.

He's in the KHL, but I've heard it reported that the Sharks may be interested in signing him to a two year deal; the second year would include a "poison pill" making it unlikely for another team to claim him on waivers ;)

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#93 mjsh
March 11 2009, 02:59PM
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Jonathan, you serious? Mark's dad is a longtime friend of mine, don't see him often any more though. If the Sharks want to win the cup, it would appear that having him around has be at the very least good luck.

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#94 Jonathan Willis
March 11 2009, 03:13PM
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mjsh wrote:

Jonathan, you serious? Mark’s dad is a longtime friend of mine, don’t see him often any more though. If the Sharks want to win the cup, it would appear that having him around has be at the very least good luck.

No, I'm just kidding around. I was making fun of the Jagr thing while pointing out that Hartigan was currently in the KHL.

Sorry for the confusion.

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#95 Dennis
March 11 2009, 03:14PM
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Deep Oil:

I haven't done a full check yet but did anyone in the MSM wonder in-print why MacT was playing his fourth line in the last five min of a road game - where he doesn't get last change - during a contest in which his team had a one goal lead?

If they didn't, then he doesn't have any worries because folks are officially asleep at the switch.

I was watching all the times that 4th line was getting dzone draws in the third period and the anger was slowly rising. Then I compared that to how many chances that line created - zero by the way - and I kept wondering how many shifts that troika would continue to get.

So, they got caught and we lost the lead. Was it written about? Was it discussed by the night judges: Gregor or Tencer?

If it wasn't, MacT has nothing to worry about.

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#96 CurtisS
March 11 2009, 03:17PM
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@ swany: Of course they got the last change. When you see the other coach do the same thing (throw Koviou line against the 4th line) all game, you have to make sure it doesnt happen in the last 5 minutes in a game, espically when you watched them get owned every previous shift.

Thats to back it up Reddox (11:12 at evens, 6 SCA), Brodziak (10:10, 5 SCA) and Stortini (8:35, 2 SCA)

Simple coaching....... epic fail.

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#97 CurtisS
March 11 2009, 03:19PM
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@ Dennis: Looks like great minds think alike by readind your above post

;P

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#98 Dennis
March 11 2009, 03:33PM
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Curtis: Yes:)

I'm the guy who's logging the chances so I was dying every shift they were out in the third. Like I said, I didn't listen to the postgame shows and I haven't checked the papers yet so I'm not sure if anyone else caught it.

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#99 CurtisS
March 11 2009, 03:39PM
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@ Dennis:

Well Moreau is playing tomorrow

Whos out?

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#100 Phil
March 11 2009, 03:47PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

CurtisS wrote: If mact is still coaching this team next year im done with the oilers and prob hockey in general. Don’t start talking foolishly now. While I understand your frustration, you like all of us on here, can’t walk away from hockey. We can’t.

Hahaha.

That's just the way it is baby.

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