GDB 68: It's simple – chemistry's either there, or not

Jason Gregor
March 14 2009 03:25PM

pennistry

Do you remember your English 10 teacher? Mine was Mrs. Stroud and I couldn’t stand her obvious bias. The first essay I wrote I got 69%, and every one after that was within three percent + or -. I had 85% in grade nine English, and I got 84% in English 20, so I couldn’t understand how I became such a bad writer over that one summer. Of course my other grades weren’t stellar, but that’s not my point.

My buddy always got 80+ on his essays so late in the semester, to prove my point, we wrote our own essays and switched the names. I still got 71 and he got an 84. When I told the principal what we did, and how Madame Stroud was clearly biased, he wanted proof. Well, since in my time we didn’t have a home computer, I wrote on paper and then typed it at school. I always threw my paper away like it was some big accomplishment having it typed. Needless to say nothing happened, and Stroud hated me even more after that.

My point is, as humans we are all biased, but teachers (My mom is one, and she just got her doctorate so don’t take offence, teachers) and coaches have to try to hide and ignore those biases. Craig MacTavish has to find a way to put his frustration and bias towards Dustin Penner aside, for the sake of his team (and possibly MacT’s job).

Ales Kotalik is not working on the first line, and there isn’t time to find out if the chemistry will develop.

“I think you can see chemistry in one game, and it’s there or it isn’t,” said Thrashers head coach John Anderson.

Anderson is in his rookie season in the NHL, but he won four championships in the AHL so he knows how to determine chemistry and a winning formula.

This is not the time to send messages or get the point across to players. The Oilers are in a dogfight for the playoffs and they have only won three of their past 11 games. A few more losses and they will be in chase mode once again.

Ice your best line-up, your best possible combinations and go from there.

Put Penner back with Hemsky and Horcoff. Move Kotalik back to his natural right wing along side Gagner and Nilsson. Leave O’Sullivan with Cogliano and Pisani because they have chemistry and then you have Moreau, Brodziak and Stortini as your energy line and potential shut-down line.

If Penner has one of his “going-through-the-motions” games, sit him and promote O’Sullivan there and Moreau up to the third line. There are lots of options within the game to get guys going. Make it a healthy and competitive atmosphere. Play whichever line is going, and if it is a different top nine forwards every night that play in the final ten minutes, so be it.

Sure, Penner can be frustrating, but he has also shown in the past that after a benching he can go on a productive ten game stretch, and right now you need him to be productive. Like it or not, he is your best option on the first line. You said it yourself earlier this year, so go with you gut.

Kotalik wasn’t lighting it up before he came here, so help him out and put him back on his right wing, and more importantly play him on the left point on your first PP unit. Your PP has stunk for the past month. You are 6 for 51 in your past 13 games, so it clearly isn’t working.

You are six points back of Columbus all of a sudden for 6th spot, and that is the spot all Albertans want. Fans don’t want 7th or 8th, they NEED 6th place.

Our economy is in a bit of a dip, it’s not warm enough for girls to wear summer dresses yet, they’re trying to take fighting out of hockey, and the Oilers have the most clothed ice girls in the league. Give the fans something to cheer about, check your pride and ice your best possible lineup.

LOYALTY IS TAUGHT

While many of us have bemoaned that there is too much loyalty within the Oiler organization, yesterday’s actions by the former GODFATHER of Oilerville showed where Lowe and company learned it.

Glen Sather, who orchestrated and conducted the glory days of the Oilers, stood up for his buddy Peter Pocklington and forked out a cool million for Puck’s bail. That is loyalty.

Whether you like Pocklington or not, Sather’s gesture re-affirms the depth of the Boys On The Bus loyalty. A true friend is one who stands beside you in a time of need, and Pocklington definitely needs one, and has a pal in Sather.

I understand where Lowe and MacTavish got their loyalty from, so if anything MacTavish owes it to Lowe to play Penner and try to save face for his GM.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Harlie Chuddy
March 14 2009, 03:27PM
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first post! In before the lock!!

*checks site..sees it's not Hf and runs away to his mommies room*

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#2 Reggie
March 14 2009, 03:38PM
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"Ice your best line-up, your best possible combinations and go from there."

I don't believe that MacT understands this approach. He plays favorites all the time. Vets get free passes on poor play and lack of results all the time. See Horcoff and his ice time vs results and numbers. Sure, play him in tight defensive situations, that is a good fit, but he continues to see PP time when he's not delivering the points 5 on 4. See Moreau's high number of bad penalties and no change in ice time.

The rest of the players see this and it affects team chemistry, it affects how they see the coach and it affects performance.

Team is about fairness and togetherness. This season is about MacT trying to keep his job - and it shows in his approach.

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#3 Jay
March 14 2009, 03:44PM
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A mil for bail for Peter Puck? Unbelievable that Sather would do that!

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#4 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 03:47PM
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Reggie wrote:

Vets get free passes on poor play and lack of results all the time. See Horcoff and his ice time vs results and numbers. Sure, play him in tight defensive situations, that is a good fit, but he continues to see PP time when he’s not delivering the points 5 on 4.

Oilers forwards with better point production (relative to icetime) than Horcoff on the powerplay:

1. Hemsky 2. Nilsson

Horcoff and Cogliano are virtually tied (both clipping in right around 3.5 PTS/60). To paraphrase Bruce Willis, "That isn't a choice, it's a lack of options." Gagner's having a bad year 5-on-4 (2.01 PTS/60), and Cogliano can't win a faceoff.

I don't much like it, but I don't see that there's been a better powerplay option at centre on this team this year.

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#5 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 03:48PM
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@ Jay:

Why, it's only 1/6th of the money he gave to Wade Redden, and unlike that contract he stands a reasonable chance of getting his money back.

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#6 Harlie Chuddy
March 14 2009, 03:49PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

well played

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#7 Chris
March 14 2009, 03:55PM
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Gregor I 100% agree. Penner (unfortunately) is the best fit on line 1. If Penner mails it in; give O'Sullivan a look... Awesome! I've been crying for this since O'Sullivan and Kotalik arrived.

Since the trade deadline, the Oilers have had secondary scoring, solid/ not stellar goaltending, skated well, and yet have managed only one win... MacT needs top get that first line going.

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#8 Archaeologuy
March 14 2009, 04:11PM
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"Whether you like Pocklington or not, Sather’s gesture re-affirms the depth of the Boys On The Bus loyalty. A true friend is one who stands beside you in a time of need, and Pocklington definitely needs one, and has a pal in Sather."

Gregor, there's only a slight but important difference between loyalty and enabling. Like giving a crack-head money "for the bus" one more time, Lowe is giving MacTinker one more chance, then one more chance, then...

We need an intervention here people. Sometimes you need to say no to the people you love.

Dear Oilers, I love you but I cannot support you until you take ownership of your problems and enter into a Coaching rehab centre. I have changed the locks and my phone number. You need a lifestyle change. Your old friends (dynasty hangers on) must be forgotten and your old stomping grounds (7th-9th place) must never be frequented again. Your family loves you, but you arent you anymore. You're just a MacJunkie these days. A shell of your former self. I hope you understand. Archaeologuy

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#9 Smokin' Ray
March 14 2009, 04:24PM
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GAME DAY!!!

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#10 Smokin' Ray
March 14 2009, 04:24PM
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Great read BTW.

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#11 Milli
March 14 2009, 04:40PM
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Gregor, that nice.

I couldn't believe when I heard that slots had bailed out Puck...But I guess your right.

Cogs and Sulli have looked great together, as has gagner...I was all over him, but I'm starting to understand why they kept going back to him...

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#12 Dennis
March 14 2009, 04:58PM
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My 10th grade English teacher was gay and then predictably enough looked the other way while JW and I made out;)

I feel like Gregor's baiting me here when he puts out a top 12 and omits one of our best players from the past few games, Pouliot.

I do agree that it's time to stop shagging around and put 27 back with 10-83; that's where he should have been all along. MacT doesn't like it because 27's a guy who doesn't always hustle or use his size but he's the best option at LW but you have to put him there and swallow your anger and then beg the GM's this summer to move him. But, yes, for now, don't try to send messages at the risk of losing points.

The whole thing with 21's worth watching because MacT's painted himself into a hole by proclaiming him yet another "one-shot scorer." I believe the first time I heard that was in regards to Jochen Hecht and here we are again:D

The constant in the production of the new 89 line has been the 89-78 combo. They've seen the likes of Cole, 19 and now 12 moved through their other wing but these two have been the constant and the line's consistently. 21's got the career edge over 78, that's for sure. But if you believe in keeping together a line in it's infancy like 19-13-34, you have to believe in keeping 89-78 together as well. Especially considering 78's not taking draws for that troika.

But maybe you try and squeeze something out of 21 by playing him with 12-89 but at the very least 78 plays over 46.

Otherwise, you're as biased as Mrs. Stroud:)

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#13 Chris
March 14 2009, 04:58PM
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March 4th 2009. Trade deadline day. I had O'Sullivan slated in on first line left wing. Then MacT does, what MacT does... he converts another right winger (with no previous first line experience) into our first line left wing. The notion that friends and fellow countrymen will have natural chemistry is collosally stupid. Why not throw Cogliano and JF Jacques together... they're both CANADIAN... of course they're gonna light it up and complement each other...STUPID! Why not look at the player's style, track record, tendencies, etc... It's called scouting, planning,... you know...coaching. It's sad, when even a dumb fan like me, can clearly identify MacT's persistant misuse of available assets. MacT has cost this team at least two wins since the trade deadline... If O'Sullivan finally gets a look, and is able to contribute with Hemsky, I will add "FMNF" to by tag.

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#14 Scott
March 14 2009, 05:04PM
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@ Archaeologuy.....lol, too funny!!! Well said!!!

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#15 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 05:05PM
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Ales Kotalik is not working on the first line, and there isn’t time to find out if the chemistry will develop... Ice your best line-up, your best possible combinations and go from there. Put Penner back with Hemsky and Horcoff. Move Kotalik back to his natural right wing along side Gagner and Nilsson. Leave O’Sullivan with Cogliano and Pisani because they have chemistry and then you have Moreau, Brodziak and Stortini as your energy line and potential shut-down line... Kotalik wasn’t lighting it up before he came here, so help him out and put him back on his right wing, and more importantly play him on the left point on your first PP unit. Your PP has stunk for the past month. You are 6 for 51 in your past 13 games, so it clearly isn’t working.

Nice to see that we agree on Kotalik not being a first line winger with Hemsky and Horcoff. On the other hand, I don't see any reason to bump Pouliot out of the lineup so he can dress on the second line either.

A fun question to consider: of the group of Ales Kotalik, Liam Reddox, Kyle Brodziak, Ethan Moreau and Sam Gagner, who are the best and worst even-strength scorers relative to ice-time this season?

The worst: Ales Kotalik The best: Marc Pouliot

To recap: Liam Reddox is more likely to record a point on any given shift than Ales Kotalik, based on their play this season. About 20% more likely, in point of fact.

Marc Pouliot is almost twice as likely to score on an even-strength shift than Ales Kotalik.

Draw your own conclusions.

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#16 Phil
March 14 2009, 05:10PM
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You nailed it Jay. Agreed on all accounts.

On another note, the woman that sang the National Anthem for the Laffs/Flamers game was pathetic. Not supposed to be sang like that, I don't care if she was trying to put her own "new" twist into it (probably wasn't even tho), it was still brutal.

Oh Can-eee-da? That's just wrong.

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#17 Chris
March 14 2009, 05:14PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

I agree. Kotalik should be on the point during the PP... otherwise, why even try to hide him in the lineup? Was the 2nd round pick to Buffalo a hockey decision or a peace offering?

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#18 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 05:19PM
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@ Chris:

I haven't tried to hide that I thought Kotalik for a 2nd was a bad trade (despite the "but he's Hemsky's buddy..." crap some folks indulged in).

But Gregor's absolutely right when he says he's a good fit on the powerplay point (which was apparent to anyone who has seen his goals this year) and hopefully MacTavish will maximize his abilities by using him there.

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#19 Chris
March 14 2009, 05:25PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

My opinion of Kotalik isn't based on his performance as an Oiler... that wouldn't be fair. I'm looking at Kotalik's season, and his career. I will never understand MacT's decision to use him on the first line. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Some ideas, may or may not work... this was a no-brainer. I'm watching the Oilers fade in the race for 6th... and it's killing me!

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#20 Dennis
March 14 2009, 05:28PM
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I really didn't understand using that 2nd round for yet another forward; especially considering that the loss of 71 moved 24 into the top four D and let 43 as out 6th D and young Peckham as our 7th.

We didn't address how thin we were on the backend and we got even thicker up front.

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#21 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 05:33PM
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Chris wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: My opinion of Kotalik isn’t based on his performance as an Oiler… that wouldn’t be fair. I’m looking at Kotalik’s season, and his career. I will never understand MacT’s decision to use him on the first line. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Some ideas, may or may not work… this was a no-brainer. I’m watching the Oilers fade in the race for 6th… and it’s killing me!

Neither's mine. Kotalik hasn't been here nearly long enough to judge him solely as an Oiler. But his even-strength scoring numbers in Buffalo were worse than those of Liam Reddox, for crying out loud.

I've never understood people who thought he would be a good fit on the 1st line. He's a third/fourth liner and powerplay specialist. He has been for years.

It's not rocket science.

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#22 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 05:35PM
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Dennis wrote:

I really didn’t understand using that 2nd round for yet another forward; especially considering that the loss of 71 moved 24 into the top four D and let 43 as out 6th D and young Peckham as our 7th.

I understood it from the perspective of helping the powerplay out (and hopefully knocking Staios out of the powerplay rotation).

But MacTavish hasn't used him that way.

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#23 Jason Gregor
March 14 2009, 06:02PM
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b>Dennis wrote:

I feel like Gregor’s baiting me here when he puts out a top 12 and omits one of our best players from the past few games, Pouliot.

I can guarantee you are never in my thoughts when it comes to my articles.

Dennis wrote:

But maybe you try and squeeze something out of 21 by playing him with 12-89 but at the very least 78 plays over 46. Otherwise, you’re as biased as Mrs. Stroud:)

Last ten game played...

Pouliot 1-3-4..+2...16 shots and one goal..averaged 12:21 a game.

Stortini.2-2-4..+2...8 shots and two goals...averaged 8:49 a game. And he had three fights.

So Stortini scores more goals on few shots and has the same points in 3:30 few minutes a game. And he brings energy to a 4th line. So why he is a better fit than Pouliot? Your bias towards Pouliot is more in play here. Mine is based on the best possible lineup when you look at every intangible and the expectations of each line.

But it probably won't matter because he will leave Kotalik on the LW.

And Smid is a game time decision. He is a bit banged up, so look for Peckham to possibly draw in.

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#24 Jason Gregor
March 14 2009, 06:03PM
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So Stortini scores more goals on fewer shots and has the same points in 3:30 fewer minutes a game. And he brings energy to a 4th line. So why he is a better fit than Pouliot? Your bias towards Pouliot is more in play here. Mine is based on the best possible lineup when you look at every intangible and the expectations of each line.

Can't wait for the edit button..haha

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#25 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 06:05PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Stortini scores more goals on few shots and has the same points in 3:30 few minutes a game. And he brings energy to a 4th line. So why he is a better fit than Pouliot? Your bias towards Pouliot is more in play here. Mine is based on the best possible lineup when you look at every intangible and the expectations of each line.

I like Stortini on the fourth line. On the other hand, I'm not sure what Ales Kotalik has done in the past two years to deserve a second-line spot over Pouliot.

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#26 Milli
March 14 2009, 06:23PM
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I cannot figure out why people don't seem to like Stortini, the guy brings it every night. He is a Beauty 4th liner. PERIOD. He will do whatever he needs to, hit, fight, try and dig pucks, stand infront of the net....

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#27 Jonathan Willis
March 14 2009, 06:39PM
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I'm probably beating a dead horse, but I don't want anyone to accuse me of attacking Kotalik because of my pro-Pouliot bias.

Here's a comparison of Ales Kotalik over the last two years with Liam Reddox.

Kotalik's an elite powerplay guy, but he doesn't score at even strength. At least, not as well as noted sniper Liam Reddox.

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#28 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 06:59PM
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Mac T has no idea how to coach and motivate his players to play. Do not tell me that these guys are professional and should not need to be motivated.Penner is floating for one good reason he would and probably still will get 20 plus goals even though he has been in Mac T s dog house ,Neilson is another player who under performed this year any coincidance that both of these guys where called out buy their coach and having so so years? what is Gagners excuse he has been good for the last 7-10 games prior to that he was brutal.My point is if Mac t was a good coach he would get the most out of his line up. On paper this is a good team on the ice they have come out flat way to often,have been blown out 3 times, they are not prepared, to me this all comes down to coaching.The sooner we get rid of our coach the sooner we will not be in the same boat year after year.If Mac t still has a job as coach come september both him and K lowe should be fired.This has gone on now for 9 years thats enough bring in a new coaching staff and see what they can do,The only reason I can see this organization not doing this, is that if a new coach comes in and has success it will make K lowe and Mac t look bad.

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#29 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 07:05PM
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Slats helping out Pocklington has more to do with friendship and not the boys on the bus,I am sure puck made slats many millions over the years.Lets not forget if it wasn't for Peter Puck Edmonton would never have been in the NHL.It was under pucks ownership that we won cups. I dont agree how he ran his businesses and with trading the great one, at the end of the day if it wasn't for him we would have never witnessed one of the greatest teams in hockey play and thsi team would never existed.Didn't the great one help out Mc Nall after he went to jail?

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#30 Mr P
March 14 2009, 07:09PM
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I agree with JW. Pouliot should play ahead of Kotalik based on what he's done as an Oiler so far. However, I would like to see Kotalik on the powerplay. Anything to get Staios off it anyway.

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#31 dw
March 14 2009, 07:20PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Just because he brought the NHL to Edmonton doesn't mean he isn't a class A scumbag. And that statement has nothing to do with trading Gretzky or threatening to move the Oilers. The guy makes a living screwing other people out of their hard earned money.

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#32 Dennis
March 14 2009, 07:20PM
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Gregor: You should be thinking of Something when you ice a 12 forwards set and 78 isn't one of them;)

I think your idea of a line-up isn't based on outscoring and I don't think you're alone in that regard. That doesn't say I think you're right - because I clearly don't - but I think a lot of people still believe in old-timey axioms.

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#33 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 07:31PM
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dw wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Just because he brought the NHL to Edmonton doesn’t mean he isn’t a class A scumbag. And that statement has nothing to do with trading Gretzky or threatening to move the Oilers. The guy makes a living screwing other people out of their hard earned money.

Thats why I said I dont agree with the trade and how he runs his business.as far as screwing people over have you been reading the papers lately? How many corporations and money managers are screwing people over.not everyone thinks Puck is a con man lets not forget what he did for this city either he donated millions and helped out many people.

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#34 dw
March 14 2009, 07:38PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: read the article published in the Report on Business (link below) and then tell me how you feel about the guy.

http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.rmpuck1218/BNStory/specialROBmagazine/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail

And just because there are bigger a-holes out there screwing people over it doesn't make Pocklington a sweetheart. Just because Charles Manson is out there doesn't mean that I would want to share a soda with Ted Bundy.

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#35 dw
March 14 2009, 07:41PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Read the article published in the Report on Business "Peter Pucks Last Stand" (you can google it) and then tell me how you feel about the guy.

And just because there are bigger a-holes out there screwing people over it doesn’t make Pocklington a sweetheart. Just because Charles Manson is out there doesn’t mean that I would want to share a soda with Ted Bundy.

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#36 Ogden Brother
March 14 2009, 07:44PM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Neilson is another player who under performed this year any coincidance that both of these guys where called out buy their coach and having so so years? .

So were they called out because they were playing lazy or were they playing lazy because they were called out.

Come on people, it's pretty clear which came first.

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#37 Mr P
March 14 2009, 07:53PM
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Is that a dead bird on Crawfords head?

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#38 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 07:56PM
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dw wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Read the article published in the Report on Business “Peter Pucks Last Stand” (you can google it) and then tell me how you feel about the guy. And just because there are bigger a-holes out there screwing people over it doesn’t make Pocklington a sweetheart. Just because Charles Manson is out there doesn’t mean that I would want to share a soda with Ted Bundy.

You are entitled to your opinion as am I. Dont throw Puck in with mass murderers comparing him to manson and bundy are not even close.Just because you worked at gainers or where screwed over by the guy does not justify you to compare him to manson and bundy

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#39 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 08:00PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Neilson is another player who under performed this year any coincidance that both of these guys where called out buy their coach and having so so years? . So were they called out because they were playing lazy or were they playing lazy because they were called out. Come on people, it’s pretty clear which came first.

There are many players on this team that should be called out.But Mac T continues to sit and pick on the same guys causing rifts both in the dressing room and on the ice.His mediocore coaching record speaks for itself.

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#40 Mr P
March 14 2009, 08:02PM
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If you are an oiler season ticket holder since 99, shouldn't you be at the game?

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#41 Jason Gregor
March 14 2009, 08:07PM
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Dennis wrote:

Gregor: You should be thinking of Something when you ice a 12 forwards set and 78 isn’t one of them;) I think your idea of a line-up isn’t based on outscoring and I don’t think you’re alone in that regard. That doesn’t say I think you’re right - because I clearly don’t - but I think a lot of people still believe in old-timey axioms.

It is about roles and guys fitting into them. You need emotional and energetic players as well as skill. If this team had more grit in their top-six then maybe you could have more softer, safe potentially offensive players.

But outside of Kotalik, there is no one you would take out ahead of Pouliot in the top nine. Stortini has a valuable role, and his production is better than Pouliot's lately. You can't argue that, the numbers prove it. And even you would admit that Stortini adds way more energy.

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#42 dw
March 14 2009, 08:07PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: I didn't call compare him to Manson or Bundy. It was an illustration of how just because there is another person out there that is more evil than you (Manson evil > Bundy evil) doesn't mean that you are not a jerk. Unfortunately, I am not able to draw a picture for you, or bring out the hand puppets in order to enhance your understanding.

I don't even know anybody that worked at Gainers, Invested with the Principal Group, etc. my opinion is based solely on his actions.

I am just waiting for the point in this discussion where you blame Kevin Lowe for what is happening to Pocklington.

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#43 Ogden Brother
March 14 2009, 08:10PM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Neilson is another player who under performed this year any coincidance that both of these guys where called out buy their coach and having so so years? . So were they called out because they were playing lazy or were they playing lazy because they were called out. Come on people, it’s pretty clear which came first. There are many players on this team that should be called out.But Mac T continues to sit and pick on the same guys causing rifts both in the dressing room and on the ice.His mediocore coaching record speaks for itself.

Those two have been by far and away the worst in the effort department... he's never "called out" anyone for not producing, he's calling them out for dragging their ass.

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#44 Jason Gregor
March 14 2009, 08:12PM
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O'Sullivan on RW with Gagner and Nilsson...who saw that coming...

Moreau with Cogliano and Pisani...and Penner, Pouliot and Brodziak...

strange

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#45 Mr P
March 14 2009, 08:13PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

O’Sullivan on RW with Gagner and Nilsson…who saw that coming… Moreau with Cogliano and Pisani…and Penner, Pouliot and Brodziak… strange

Isn't it always FMNF

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#46 Arnie
March 14 2009, 08:14PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

O’Sullivan on RW with Gagner and Nilsson…who saw that coming… Moreau with Cogliano and Pisani…and Penner, Pouliot and Brodziak… strange

No one because MacT knows more than anyone...i guess Moreau is more deserving...weak...

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#47 Arnie
March 14 2009, 08:17PM
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Now Penner on 1st...looks like he might have heard you Gregor...ha

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#48 Arnie
March 14 2009, 08:19PM
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Toronto..."I think the goal was in...lets call Edmonton...

Can't remember last time this happened..

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#49 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 08:20PM
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Mr P wrote:

If you are an oiler season ticket holder since 99, shouldn’t you be at the game?

Nope watching on TV gave tickets away

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#50 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
March 14 2009, 08:21PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Neilson is another player who under performed this year any coincidance that both of these guys where called out buy their coach and having so so years? . So were they called out because they were playing lazy or were they playing lazy because they were called out. Come on people, it’s pretty clear which came first. There are many players on this team that should be called out.But Mac T continues to sit and pick on the same guys causing rifts both in the dressing room and on the ice.His mediocore coaching record speaks for itself. Those two have been by far and away the worst in the effort department… he’s never “called out” anyone for not producing, he’s calling them out for dragging their ass.

what about Gagner ?

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