Questions that need answers: third edition

Jason Gregor
March 05 2009 09:10AM

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What a whirlwind final hour of the trade deadline. Just when it looked the Oilers were going to be shut out, they pull off two deals just before the deadline. On paper the deals should improve the Oilers, but exactly how much remains to be seen. Lots of questions surrounding the deadline and the Oilers so here we go.

***Reminder if you have a question you want answered, send it to Gregor at jason@justagame.ca.

Why did the Kings give up on a young Patrick O’Sullivan?

At first glance, you wonder why a 24-year-old with loads of offensive creativity finds himself in his third organization already. O’Sullivan was drafted by the Wild in 2003, and then traded at the 2006 entry draft to the LA Kings (he was traded with the 17th overall pick, which the Wild had obtained from the Oilers for Roloson).

Now he is dealt for Justin Williams, and then Erik Cole. Williams had back-to-back 30-goal seasons, before he tore his ACL in 2007, and then tore his Achilles in an off-ice pre-season workout. He has played 32 games since returning earlier than expected, but has struggled mightily with only three goals and 10 points.

So why is O’Sullivan dealt for a guy who is injury prone and struggling? I have no idea. Rob Daum, who coached him in Houston in 2005/06 gave him high praise. “I think he is a top-six forward in the NHL. He skates well, has a quick release and is a very good passer.”

I don’t doubt that O’Sullivan possesses those attributes, but Dean Lombardi is a pretty astute GM, and he gave him away for injury-prone 29 year-old. It just doesn’t seem right.

Jarret Stoll told me, “Sully has sick skills. He is a great passer, and isn’t afraid to shoot. He should really help the Oilers. We have been penalty killing together and he is very quick.”

I can see why the Wild traded him, because they wanted a proven passer to play with Demitra, but why the Kings gave up on him is perplexing. What about someone who hasn’t been associated with him? I spoke to a scout from San Jose.

“His awareness on the ice is exceptional. He skates well, but has long stretches where he doesn’t battle hard enough, and can be lazy. When he is on he can be a difference maker, and he isn’t afraid to shoot, but like most players his age consistency is an issue.”

We will see if he can find the consistency to go with his skill set.

If Bill Guerin was scratched on Saturday, why did it take so long for him to get traded? — Mitch

The Islanders only dressed 19 players v. Buffalo on Saturday, and with Bill Guerin being a late, and supposedly healthy, scratch there was lots of speculation he was going to be dealt. There was lots of talk that the Capitals and Islanders had a deal in place, but somehow it fell through. The Islanders had no choice but to sit him out again on Monday v. Colorado after scratching him on Saturday.

It didn’t look good in my opinion, and it’s fitting that the Islanders ended up getting less for Bill Guerin than the Leafs got for Dominic Moore. After the Capitals deal fell through, it looks like the Islanders just gave Guerin away for anything. Guerin had a no-movement deal and made it clear he only wanted to go to an Eastern team. That left the Islanders seven or eight trading partners in the East. Clearly there wasn’t much interest so the Penguins got him for a conditional pick. If they miss the playoffs the Islanders get a fifth, if they make it a fourth, and if they win one round a hird. Not much for a guy who sat out two games.

Is it a coincidence that most of the scumbag, loser, and dirtiest trash hockey players in the NHL have at some point played for Mark Crawford? — Dan

As a player, Crawford was chippy and intense. He has been behind the bench with players like Claude Lemieux, Chris Simon, Todd Bertuzzi, and Sean Avery.

I think it’s more of a coincidence that they were on his team. He inherited all of them, excluding Lemieux whose first season in Colorado came in Crawford’s second as coach of that organization. But do I think he liked his players to play on the edge? You bet.

Crawford has always had a few players who played on the edge, and in some cases crossed the line. If you’re insinuating that Crawford is the reason they were cheap players, I would disagree. I’ve spoken to players who played for him and they said he was intense, and wanted his team to play an in-your-face style. But I don’t believe he told Lemieux to crosscheck Draper into the boards, and I still don’t think he told Bertuzzi to cheap shot Steve Moore to the extent he did.

There are many coaches who encourage their players to intimidate the opposition, but when a player commits a flagrant cheap shot, I find it hard to believe the coach told him to carry it out in that fashion. I know coaches have given guys the tap on the shoulder to go fight, or encourage their guys to “run” the opposition, but the decisions by Bertuzzi and Lemieux were ultimately made by those gents.

I’ll be having Ron Low in studio very soon, and when I do I will ask him about Crawford’s decision in round one of the 1998 playoffs when he had Warren Rychel and Jeff Odgers on the ice late to pound some non-heavyweight Oilers.

Why are Cogliano and Gagner so bad on draws? What do they need to do to improve? — DJ

I see a few reasons. First off, neither one is that strong just yet and their technique is their biggest downfall. When you watch them getting lined up for the draw they don’t look comfortable. Adam Oates wasn’t the strongest guy but he had incredible technique. Rod Brind’amour has strength and technique. Jarret Stoll has both as well. But 13 and 89 have neither right now. They will naturally get stronger as they mature and work out more, but their technique better improve or it won’t matter.

Stoll told me a few years back that just entering the draw from the right angle can make a difference. Some other nuances include, the angle they put their stick at before engaging, finding a position that allows their body to move fluidly. It seems simple but lots of faceoff guys swear these nuances are what separate a guy from being 55% instead of 50%. Heck if Cogliano could be a 47% guy that would be major improvement. Both youngsters need to work harder at honing their skills on the dot, and Cogliano would probably see an increase of two to three minutes a game just because of it.

When is the right time to fire a coach? — Noel

Very tough question to answer. Look at the recent firings in the NHL and there is no trend that seems to suggest what is right. Atlanta, LA, Tampa, NYI, Colorado, Florida, San Jose and Toronto all had new coaches at the start of the year. Right now only San Jose and Florida are in the playoffs and San Jose was a great team before the coaching change.

Chicago and Tampa made changes early in the year, and it seems to have helped the Hawks but the Bolts still stink. Recently Pittsburgh, Ottawa and the Rangers have made changes. The Pens are 6-1-1 under Dan Bylsma. The Sens are 6-5-3 under Cory Clouston and the Rangers are 1-1-1 under John Tortorella.

The Sens have improved a bit, the Rangers are even and the Pens are finally playing like they should. I’ve always thought that coaching is a bit overrated. If you have good or great players they will make you look better. Some coaches can have teams improve by five or six wins a year, but I don’t think coaching can make a team go from average to great.

I think timing is based on a feel. The GM needs to know his players and the dynamics of the room. Have they quit on the coach? Do they need to hear a new voice? Does the system fit the players?

To me it is easier to fire a coach than suggest as a GM that you haven’t given him any legitimate tools to work with. Look at the eight new coaches that started the season: have any of them made a significant difference to the standings of their team? Peter Deboer in Florida might be the only one. They are on pace to finish with eight more points than last season, and should make the playoffs barring a collapse. I do think coaching can improve your team by four to five wins over the season, but most of it is up to the players to respond and play the system.

I think a change can have positive effects in that certain players will respond better to a new coach. The curiosity of how the Oilers would play without MacTavish is hard to ignore. You will find out next season if the Oilers don’t make the playoffs, or if they have an uneventful first round exit.

Will the Oilers’ new players be enough to get the Oilers in the playoffs, and who do you think is their best match-up in the first round? — Steven

I think O’Sullivan and Kotalik, along with the fact that Minnesota, Nashville and Anaheim didn’t improve will be enough to get the Oilers in the playoffs. Before the Flames got Jokinen, I would have said the Flames were the best match-up, but now I’m not so sure. It is either the Flames or the Blackhawks, and based on the results between them so far this season you would have to think the Flames might be the best bet. I do think that the Hawks’ inexperience makes them more vulnerable than the Flames, but screw logic.

I’d rather see a Battle of Alberta over any other first-round match-up. Detroit and San Jose would dominate the Oilers, while the Hawks and Oilers could be free wheeling, it wouldn’t have the intensity of a BOA.

It has been 18 years since the Oil and Flames did battle for a meaningful game and that is long enough. The Flames have wrapped up third place, so it’s up to the Oilers to get sixth. If they have to throw a game at the end of the year to make it happen, they better do so.

The fans need it, the media wants it, and the players should experience it. A playoff battle between the two cities after so long without one would be epic. All the Oilers have to do is be better than Columbus and Nashville down the stretch to make it happen. Really is that too much to ask? I think not.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Poo Czar
March 05 2009, 09:15AM
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I just hope like hell this kid works out here. Seems like he hasn't exactly had an easy run and it'd be nice to reverse the trend of this city devouring the newcomers. On the plus side he's not arriving with the expectations of Lupul, Penner or even Cole. C'mon Sully, light it up and be the new guy who finally makes good!

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#2 Poo Czar
March 05 2009, 09:17AM
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Also, I'm not sure if my liver or my marriage could survive 9 straight Battle of Alberta games...

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#3 Loki
March 05 2009, 09:24AM
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In a day that saw Antropov and Guerin go for much less, Tambellini lands double for Cole. How did we get O'Sullivan, and so cheap? Kotalik was icing on cake.

Question that needs answer: Who the hell was the original person to think up such a convoluted deal? Thinking outside the box, advanced version

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#4 mt
March 05 2009, 09:30AM
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Any truth that LA wasn't impressed that the Canes were flipping O'Sullivan to the Oil? I heard that one this morning...

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#5 King Mob
March 05 2009, 09:33AM
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looking at yesterdays trades, as far as Im concerened Tambellini basically made Patrick OSullivan appear out of thin air. That's some SAVVVVVY GMing. Can't wait to see the new guys in action tonight!

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#6 Peter Pan
March 05 2009, 09:35AM
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@ Gregor:

As much as I agree with the need for a BOA, we would not win that series, even prior to the Jokinen trade. We made good hockey moves yesterday, but the fact still remains that Calgary is a big team and we are not. But I would still love to see that match up. Hemmer vs. Regher; Souray vs. Iginla; Penner's fat ass in Kippers face; Moreau vs. lunacy; MacT vs. Harvey the Hound; and of course the Sea of Blue vs. the Pee of Red! You're right...it would be epic. But we would be huge underdogs in that match up.

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#7 King Mob
March 05 2009, 09:49AM
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Peter Pan wrote:

But we would be huge underdogs in that match up.

just the way we like it.

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#8 The Towel Boy
March 05 2009, 09:52AM
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Haha...I have a Jeff Odgers signed hockey card from when he was in San Jose.

My aunt got if for me when I was like 12 - I guess he is from her home town of Spy Hill, SK...I was like "Gee....thanks.....ummm....ya" This was before the internets and I couldn't even look him up to see who the hell he was.

Gregor, any word on why the Sabres were willing to deal with the Oil? I was pretty sure Darcy Regier was still pissed off at Kevin Lowe for the Vanek offer sheet. Although - that worked out well for them.

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#9 CurtisS
March 05 2009, 09:54AM
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I love how Noel asked about firing the coach.

Too funny

Good read Gregor, do we know what the lines are going to be for sure tonight? I read different combos almost everywhere I go.

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#10 jayoilfan
March 05 2009, 09:59AM
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If the BOA does happen, I woul dbe hard pressed to survive in my office. I live in Calgary and while where I work there are a few Oiler fans (we stick together pretty tightly) the vast majority of the other 300 are Flamers.

If we lost, I'd never hear the end of it and My office would probably be pranked. If we won, I'd still vnever hear the end of it how we just got luck etc.

Still I think it would awesome!, the province would get destroyed and the two cities would be layed to waste. Alberta would become a wasteland of pumpjacks, wellheads a couple trees and the odd cow and tractor standing around...

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#11 CurtisS
March 05 2009, 10:04AM
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So they offered Penner for Smyth straight across and got laughed at I bet?

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#12 the Menace
March 05 2009, 10:16AM
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Immediately after the trade, it seemed like everyone asssumed O'Sullivan would be slotted on the LW on our first line, and Kotalik would take Cole's place on RW on the second line. Why is it the other way around now?

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#13 socaldave
March 05 2009, 10:25AM
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I've heard that Kotalik and Hemmer are pals, as both are from the Czech republic, and Hemmer MAY have whispered in someone's ear about bringing him to Edmonton. Absolute pure 100% not-fact-based-at-all speculation.

But I heard it.

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#14 Chaz
March 05 2009, 10:26AM
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I like the trades although I must admit, I don't like to see Cole go. It's better than losing him for nothing, but I really thought Cole was turning the corner and was ready for a great stretch run. A real classy and down to earth guy. Good luck in Carolina EC!

Hey Gregor; any news that Mac T will try to get JDD a start on this roadtrip? Seems like one of these games is the best time to give Rollie a rest. Maybe Montreal? Don't French guys always play their best in the Homeland?

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#15 CurtisS
March 05 2009, 10:38AM
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Gregor

Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.

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#16 Cheezyclips
March 05 2009, 10:40AM
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I think its a great move. We are adding 29 goals between 2 guys plus they like to shoot the puck (O'Sullivan 200 shots,Kotalik 153) Our best forward had only 147 and that happens to be Hemsky. Souray has the most shots taken with 213. So we know these guys will shoot the puck plus both of them can play any position unlike Cole who could only play his best on RW. MacT has lots of line combos to choose from. I just hope he gives them a chance and not bench them after a couple bad shifts.

Kotalik (30 years old) will give a boost to our PP on the point he has a great slap shot. Can play all postions, PP specialist and one of the best in shootouts. He basically replaces Vishnovsky PP2. Great Pickup, great trigger man for Hemsky. I'm a Sabres fan and really disappointed they let him go.

O'Sullivan NEW Cammalleri of Edmonton. lol

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#17 Tommy
March 05 2009, 10:46AM
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@ socaldave:

Makes sense and there are some other indications that may be true. Like this quote from the Journal today:

"The first message that Ales Kotalik received was from Ales Hemsky, his new Edmonton Oilers teammate. His new linemate. His old friend.

"We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not I'd ever get the chance to play in Edmonton," said Kotalik before he made his way from Buffalo to Ottawa."

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#18 Rick
March 05 2009, 10:51AM
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Tommy wrote:

“We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not I’d ever get the chance to play in Edmonton,” said Kotalik ...

Not that Kotalik qualifies as a prime UFA target or anything but the quote actually made me re-read it just to be sure I understood what he said.

The way Edmonton seems to be a media whipping boy for players not wanting to come here I fully expected the quote to say;

“We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not he'd ever get the chance to play in Buffalo,”

Strange...

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#19 the Menace
March 05 2009, 10:57AM
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hopefully we get to see some Czech magic - I'm pumped to see how these guys gel together.

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#20 socaldave
March 05 2009, 11:12AM
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CurtisS wrote:

Gregor Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.

Curtis (and I stand to be corrected), now that we're passed the deadline, we do not have any roster concerns. We can carry as many players as we have to.

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#21 Deans
March 05 2009, 11:12AM
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Holy crap its not Groundhog Day.

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#22 socaldave
March 05 2009, 11:31AM
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@ socaldave @ CurtisS:

at least I'm pretty sure I heard Gregor say that yesterday (my bad for not giving you the nod, JG)

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#23 CurtisS
March 05 2009, 11:33AM
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@ socaldave: You are correct. I just went throught the CBA. And now Moreau is on IR.

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#24 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 11:45AM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

Gregor, any word on why the Sabres were willing to deal with the Oil? I was pretty sure Darcy Regier was still pissed off at Kevin Lowe for the Vanek offer sheet. Although - that worked out well for them.

Sure Regier was a bit pissed at the start, but it was team President Larry Quinn that was ranting and raving the most..He was the one who spouted this, "As it comes to the Edmonton Oilers, if there is an opportunity for us to put an offer sheet on a player any time as long as we’re alive, we’ll be very comfortable doing that. And they can expect that."

It wasn't Regier, and looking at Vanek's seven million dollar contract it isn't out of whack. I always said that there wasn't going to be sour grapes long term. If you recall Kevin Lowe told Regier in advance he was going to table and offer and Regier said he would match it. Both were true to their word, so there is no real animosity.

CurtisS wrote:

Good read Gregor, do we know what the lines are going to be for sure tonight? I read different combos almost everywhere I go.

Kotalik Horcoff Hemsky Pouliot Gagner O'Sullivan Penner Cogliano Pisani Reddox/Jacques Brodziak Stortini CurtisS wrote:

Gregor Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.

Moreau was placed on IR today, but even if he wasn't Tambellini told me yesterday that now the roster can be 24 or 25 guys if you like, so when he is activated they don't have to send anyone down if they don't want to.

Reddox is the only one who doesn't have to clear waivers right now, and along with Jacques and MacIntyre they are the three on two-way deals.

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#25 West Coast Oil
March 05 2009, 11:45AM
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Hey Gregor, Why is it some media guys tend to ask such stupid questions to the new guys coming in? Listening to the conference call yesterday first I was shaking my head when the guy from CTV made the comment to O'Sullivan about coming to the NHL's northern outpost.. like what the hell why even draw attention to that? Then I think it was Tencer who asked O'Sullivan if he spoke with Rob Daum since news of the trade?!?!?! WTF yes I was just traded so the first person I am going to call is my old coach from 3 years ago?!?! I could see if he asked have you spoken to Stoll or Greene about playing here..but Daum!! I just shook my head and thought great first impression guys..

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#26 Ender the Dragon
March 05 2009, 11:52AM
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the Menace wrote:

Immediately after the trade, it seemed like everyone asssumed O’Sullivan would be slotted on the LW on our first line, and Kotalik would take Cole’s place on RW on the second line. Why is it the other way around now?

I wondered that too. People seem to have gotten excited about the whole 'Czech-mate' concept with Hemsky that they have ignored the fact that Kotalik is primarily a RW. (Yes, he can and has played off-wing before, but so has Eric Cole. Enough said.) Pati-O is a C/LW, so he would be a much more logical fit on the top line than Kotalik.

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#27 Rick
March 05 2009, 11:57AM
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Ender the Dragon wrote:

(Yes, he can and has played off-wing before, but so has Eric Cole. Enough said.)

I fall in the wait and see category when it comes to Kotalik playing opposite Hemsky but I think it's worth pointing out that Cole shoots left and Kotalik shoots right.

Assuming the reports are true that he has a cannon, a right handed shooter playing Hemsky's left side is already a better fit than Cole.

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#28 Ender the Dragon
March 05 2009, 12:01PM
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@ Rick:

It's already been pointed out that Kotalik can and probably will play the left-side point on the power-play, but I can't see him on the left side long-term at even-strength.

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#29 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 12:04PM
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West Coast Oil wrote:

Hey Gregor, Why is it some media guys tend to ask such stupid questions to the new guys coming in? Listening to the conference call yesterday first I was shaking my head when the guy from CTV made the comment to O’Sullivan about coming to the NHL’s northern outpost.. like what the hell why even draw attention to that? Then I think it was Tencer who asked O’Sullivan if he spoke with Rob Daum since news of the trade?!?!?! WTF yes I was just traded so the first person I am going to call is my old coach from 3 years ago?!?! I could see if he asked have you spoken to Stoll or Greene about playing here..but Daum!! I just shook my head and thought great first impression guys..

I was thinking the same thing. I thought the obvious and most pressing question was what position are you comfortable playing, so I asked it. And I was 5th in the que. Kotalik likes the LW and O'Sullivan said either wing is fine for him, although he had been playing mostly LW in LA. So I wonder if Pouliot will move to the RW or if it will be O'Sullivan tonight.

I've always said a good interview is 50% the reporter and 50% the guest. If you don't ask smart questions you won't get a good answer. I've had some brutal ones in my day.

Best was with Mike Babcock two years ago. I asked him some long-winded confusing question. He looked at me and said, "What did you just ask? Try it again in English."

I reworded it in about eight words, and he gave me an answer. After the scrum he came up to me and said, "Sorry if I embarrassed you, but I had no idea what you asked."

I said no need to apologize I was too wordy and confusing. We then proceeded to discuss the merits of a good question. To this day when I see him, he keeps me on my toes in how I ask a question. Good lesson from him.

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#30 Rick
March 05 2009, 12:06PM
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@ Ender the Dragon:

I don't either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him.

I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference.

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#31 the Menace
March 05 2009, 12:10PM
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Rick wrote:

@ Ender the Dragon: I don’t either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him. I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference.

Don't forget the fact that they are Czech-mates. *chuckle*.

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#32 West Coast Oil
March 05 2009, 12:16PM
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the Menace wrote:

Rick wrote: @ Ender the Dragon: I don’t either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him. I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference. Don’t forget the fact that they are Czech-mates. *chuckle*.

If both Ales' are such good buddies I can see Hemmer working his butt off to get Kotalik the puck in prime scoring areas just to improve the odds the Oilers resign him in the off season.. This may be a great move by the Oil as a Hemmer with a purpose ca be a powerful tool in the fight against evil!

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#33 West Coast Oil
March 05 2009, 12:18PM
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@Gregor.. it was great to hear your question.. one that made sense and received an answer we cared about.

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#34 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 12:18PM
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Chaz wrote:

Hey Gregor; any news that Mac T will try to get JDD a start on this roadtrip? Seems like one of these games is the best time to give Rollie a rest. Maybe Montreal? Don’t French guys always play their best in the Homeland?

He does have to play sometime, and MacTavish thinks playing him on the road is better than at home, so having him playing in Montreal could make sense, but I think Roloson will keep playing until they get to another back-to-back in mid March, and even then it might not happen.

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#35 Peter Pan
March 05 2009, 12:20PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Kotalik Horcoff Hemsky Pouliot Gagner O’Sullivan Penner Cogliano Pisani Reddox/Jacques Brodziak Stortini

Frickin' Pouliot! Mother F'n %$@#**@#!!!!! Can't get over the Pouliot/Parise thing!

And what happens when Moreau returns? Nillson and Penner to the press box?

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#36 Peter Pan
March 05 2009, 12:25PM
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Also, for the love of GOD MacT...would you please keep the line up intact for more than 30 seconds!?!?!? That's like me changing wives every second day... now how could we develop a strong connection? No...wait...scratch that. CHANGE THE LINES MACT!!! CHANGE THE LINES!!

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#37 West Coast Oil
March 05 2009, 12:41PM
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@Gregor.. Wouldn't it make more sense to slot Nillson into the second line as he has been working hard as of late and is more of a set up man so the chemistry between him and O'Sullivan who is a shooter should be greater than between Pouliot who is a ____ (fill in descriptor of choice here) and O'Sullivan??

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#38 shakey
March 05 2009, 12:42PM
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@ Jason Gregor: I was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole's contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn't like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn't want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn't offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?

Also, I missed your discussion with the guy from LA about why the Kings gave up on a up and coming player with so much potential.

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#39 Rick
March 05 2009, 12:47PM
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shakey wrote:

@ Jason Gregor: I was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole’s contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn’t like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn’t want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn’t offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?

Not that you were asking me but I ended up with the sense that based on their general conversation with Cole, he was looking to explore free agency so there was no reason to try and enter negotiations.

Not necessarily as an outright rejection of Edmonton but just to see what kind of options were out there.

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#40 shakey
March 05 2009, 12:54PM
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@ Rick: Rick, I never really saw or heard any interviews that I really got a good read on Cole so I don't have anything to say to that. My feelings were based completely on what I heard Tambo say on Gregors show. I don't know what I wanted to hear from him on the Cole contract issue but I didn't like his 'avoid the answer' answer. This is just my take on it.

With that being said, I do like the deals and I'm glad they got something now instead of jack in the summer.

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#41 Harlie Chuddy
March 05 2009, 01:03PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

throw a game?

*searches brain frantically for a funny Field of Dreams reference*

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#42 BURKEtheTURD
March 05 2009, 01:03PM
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What the odds that Miro Satan is picked up? will he be back on the Pens in a week? Why wouldnt you grab him, he has 17 or so goals, not too bad, sure he may not be the most competive guy.

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#43 Cheezyclips
March 05 2009, 01:08PM
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@ Peter Pan: I agree with Peter Pan why in the hell Pouliot in on the second line.Seriously this Pouliot/Redox bs has to stop. WTF is MacT thinking? In his head Pouliot/Redox are 1st and 2nd line wingers. Give your head a shake MacT.My 5 year old can come up with better line combos. I'm Pissed.

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#44 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 01:11PM
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Confirmed...4th line is Jacques with Brodziak and Stortini.

And O'Sullivan is LW with Gagner and Pouliot on RW

Scratches, Nilsson, Reddox and MacIntyre

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#45 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 01:15PM
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shakey wrote:

was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole’s contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn’t like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn’t want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn’t offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?

Cole had no interest in discussing and extension during the year. When he and Tambellini met, Tambellini basically asked what his thoughts were and if he wasn't interested in extending then they would move him. Cole's extended family is in Carolina so it makes perfect sense why he went back there, and Tambellini did a decent job in getting something for him.

Cole liked it here, but liked Carolina more. There is nothing more to it. I have an article coming about this subject next week.

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#46 CurtisS
March 05 2009, 01:20PM
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@ Jason Gregor:

Thanks Gregor.

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#47 Jason Gregor
March 05 2009, 01:27PM
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West Coast Oil wrote:

Wouldn’t it make more sense to slot Nillson into the second line as he has been working hard as of late and is more of a set up man so the chemistry between him and O’Sullivan who is a shooter should be greater than between Pouliot who is a ____ (fill in descriptor of choice here) and O’Sullivan??

The thing is Pouliot, and most know I'm not the biggest fan, has more goals than Nilsson at this point. He has played four minutes less per game, and Pouliot hasn't had the linemates Nilsson has. And Pouliot has 84 shots compared to Nilsson's 63.

Some of you are in love with the "potential" of Nilsson, but don't see that he has done nothing this year. Outside of two games when he played on the 4th line he has been on the 2nd line most times, and he had a few chances on the 1st line also, and his stats don't show any of it.

When he is on, he plays well, but NOT ONCE has he been a star in any game. That much talent, and not once can he even get a third star of the game. Hell Stortini, Reddox and Strudwick have been stars in a game this year.

If Nilsson isn't producing, why do you insist on just playing him. He has had 51 games to get it going. Now before you say what about Gagner? I agree he has done nothing either. The difference is that Gagner looks interested most night, even though he turns the puck over more often than Penner has seconds at the buffet.

Pouliot has to prove a hell of a lot more to me, but in the games when he has played on the 2nd line he has produced, and that is the most important to me. Offensive guys need to produce, and Pouliot over the course of the year has produced more goals and shots in four minutes a night less of icetime.

Stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's not like Nilsson has been doing the little things to overshadow them. He has been way to inconsistent, just like his dad was for many years. When he is on, he is better than Pouliot, but the problem is his ON games are rare.

I can't believe that I'm taking Pouliot over Nilsson right now, but 50 games is a pretty good base so I will say today not a bad choice. I still think if Nilsson ever realized to play more consistently, he would be ahead of Pouliot without a doubt. The problem is that four years into his NHL career he hasn't done it.

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#48 The Towel Boy
March 05 2009, 01:36PM
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Poo tries hard and I like that about him, that's for sure.

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#49 Cheezyclips
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The only thing that i don't get why is Gagner centering the 2nd line instead Of Cogs. That line doesn't make any sense. Neither Gagner or Pouliot don't deserve to be there. I guess it’s all based on their last performances against the preds not their overall season performance.

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#50 esa tikkanen
March 05 2009, 02:36PM
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Pouliot scored last game, don't forget. It wouldn't make much sense to say " you scored, now you're benched!"

As for Kotalik, he has had 25 goals before playing on the third line in Buffalo. He could get 35 playing with Hemmer for a season.

I have a good question Gregor for you to ask Lowe- "why didn;t they try to make a trade for Kotalik two summers ago instead of that stupid offer sheet to Penner."?? For all the anger we have about the blown money, how about the first second and third draft picks??: Aw, we would have blown them on Niinimaki and Rita and Heinrich anyway.

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