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Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009 12:58AM

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In yet another kick to the groin, the Edmonton Oilers shafted themselves -- or is it bladed themselves? -- in Tuesday's 5-3 loss to the Anaheim Ducks when coach Craig MacTavish guessed wrong on Teemu Selanne's stick.

MacTavish thought he had it right when he asked the referees to measure the blade of Selanne's stick with 2:11 to play, thinking it was too wide, but he got it wrong because he got bad information.

It was just another blunder to add to the misery of Oiler fans who've now packed Rexall Place for 151 straight games and in return have been treated to expensive beer, too many half-assed efforts, a grand total of 16 wins in 37 home games and untold heartache this season.

I'm wondering if whoever it was that was eye-balling Anaheim's stick rack is the same guy who looked over the Oilers roster in pre-season and whispered in MacTavish's ear he'd bet his job this team would contend for a Northwest Division title. Or did MacT act alone?

Either way, somebody's going to pay after April 11.

PARTING GIFT FOR MACT?

Selanne shrugged off suggestions in the post-game scrum the blade of his stick was too wide or that he'd made a quick change of twigs. The Finnish Flash instead took a bit of a poke at MacTavish.

"No, not really," shrugged Selanne, asked if he'd swapped sticks or if it was common to replace illegal sticks with legal ones late in games. "I try to have it as wide as I can because the ice is so bad in a lot of buildings. "It's right on the borderline, but I knew it was going to be good, so I didn't really have to worry about it. There's not much curve at all, but it looks pretty wide."

Wide enough, obviously, that MacTavish, likely convinced by his stick rack spy, gambled in the hope of going on the power play after Zack Stortini cut Anaheim's lead to 4-3 at 17:49. "I don't know who it was," smiled Selanne, asked if he thought that it was MacTavish who'd been casting suspicious glances toward his stick. "Maybe I should sign the stick for him, though."

ON EMPTY

No way Dwayne Roloson deserves to be thrown under the bus with the record-setting 33-game stretch he's played, but he's looked tired the last two games and it only makes sense he's finally out of gas.

As much as he's battled, Roloson gave up three goals on 21 shots, including a softy by Martin Skoula, in the 3-2 loss to Minnesota and there's no way he should get beat high on the short side by Rob Niedermayer to put the Ducks up 4-1 late in the second period.

So, what do the Oilers do now? Lock Roloson's 39-year-old bones in a hyperbaric chamber until Thursday or toss Jeff Deslauriers between the pipes when he hasn't played a minute since Feb. 7 and hasn't made a start since Nov. 30? That's not an option.

As dubious as the Selanne stick measurement was, the decision not to give Deslauriers a start or two in the last 33 games, especially with three sets of back-to-back games since Feb. 16, might prove to be more costly.

For me, that's a more damning indictment of MacTavish's judgment than the bad call on Selanne's lumber.

BY THE NUMBERS

-- Not to leave former GM and president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe and his scouting staff out of all the fun, Ryan Getzlaf, selected 19th overall by the Ducks in the 2003 Entry Draft, had two assists Tuesday and has 88-174-262 in 292 games.

Marc Pouliot, taken 22nd by the Oilers in 2003, was a healthy scratch for the eighth time in the last nine games. He's scored 14-25-39 in 140 games.

-- Stortini has scored five goals in the last 18 games he's played. Shawn Horcoff has two goals in his last 18 and Ales Hemsky has three in his last 18. Who's been the ham-handed plumber when it’s mattered?

-- How many games have the Oilers lost in the second period? They have been outscored 90-74 in the middle frame this season, including 3-0 last night.

-- At 16-15-6 the Oilers need to run the table in their final four games at Rexall Place just to hit 20 wins at home this season. There isn't a team in a playoff position today with a home record nearly as lame.

-- Listen to Robin Brownlee every Thursday from 4 to 6 p.m. on Just A Game with Jason Gregor on TEAM 1260.

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#51 Ogden Brother
April 01 2009, 10:50AM
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Poo Czar wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: That’s all well and good, but that number includes too many Reddox’s & Pouliot’s, not enough Mike Green’s and Ryan Getzlaf’s…

Far more analysis is required to draw a conclusion on the drafting capabilities.

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#52 Ogden Brother
April 01 2009, 10:52AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: in the last 10 yrs, the Oilers are in the top5 for draft picks making it to the NHL. From the span of 1999-2008 they have had 32 draft picks dress for the team. Only teams with more are Chicago (38), Los Angeles (38), Boston (36), Washington (33). Pittsburgh and Columbus are also tied with 32. How many players have gone on to play more than 10 NHL games? Name me more than two players not named Sam Gagner who have developed into a decent NHL player,they also won 5 cups 25 years ago or so my question to you is are you satisfied with this organization performance as whole the last ten years? Are you a season ticket holder?

Umm Hemsky/Cogliano/

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#53 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
April 01 2009, 10:59AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Name me more than two players not named Sam Gagner who have developed into a decent NHL player,they also won 5 cups 25 years ago or so my question to you is are you satisfied with this organization performance as whole the last ten years? Are you a season ticket holder? Umm Hemsky/Cogliano/

Thats two who is the third?The way you defend Mac t and this organization I wouldnt be surprised if you are Toby petersons or liam reddexs brother.You are not a season seat holder, If it cost you money or you where a true Oilers fan you would agree that this organizations track record over the last decade has been a joke

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#54 Poo Czar
April 01 2009, 11:06AM
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@ Ogden Brother: Hey man, I love me some Oilers, but to say they're one of the top 5 drafing teams in the NHL based on that metric is just crazy.

They've done ALRIGHT, but I think the results are pretty clear at this point, aren't they? Isn't the combined performance of Edmonton and Springfield this year a better testament of drafting acumen than how many fringe NHLers had a cup of coffee in the league over the last decade? (a number bumped signifigantly by the injury carnage a few years back I might add)

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#55 Ogden Brother
April 01 2009, 11:06AM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:

You're all over the map.

You really want to know what Oiler DP's in the last 10 years have turned into solid NHL'ers?

Hemsky Gagner Cogliano Horcoff Stoll Greene Stortini Brodziak Comrie

And really that would be over the last 7 years as it's far to soon to judge 2006 and later

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#56 Ogden Brother
April 01 2009, 11:07AM
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@ Poo Czar:

I didn't say they were top 5.... they were top 5 in that metrix. Overall, I would guess they are middle of the pack.

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#57 Mike Krushelnyski
April 01 2009, 11:09AM
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@ Ogden Brother:

To say that the raw number of draft picks that make the NHL team is any indication of drafting prowess is bogus. Obviously any player drafted by the Oilers has a better shot of cracking the NHL roster than a player drafted by Detroit does of cracking theirs. Does that therefore make the Oilers a better drafting team than the Wings?

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#58 Ogden Brother
April 01 2009, 11:15AM
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@ Mike Krushelnyski:

Remember what was being replied to was:

"Our drafting record the last 10 years is a joke"

Seems like a far over exageration to call middle of the pack drafting a joke.

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#59 Jonathan Willis
April 01 2009, 11:19AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Name me more than two players not named Sam Gagner who have developed into a decent NHL player

Andrew Cogliano, Ales Hemsky, Shawn Horcoff. That's three.

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#60 Archaeologuy
April 01 2009, 12:19PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: I only count 2 on your list.

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#61 The Menace
April 01 2009, 01:45PM
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albundy wrote:

listening to Bryne om TEAM 1260 he said today that no star is going to come to Edmonton because of what happened between KLOWE and Comrie. Bryne said KLOWE asked for money back and that went all around the league. I have to believe Bryne. add that to the bad contracts KLOWE has signed and does it not add up to a very poor performance by KLOWE and to start the clean up he should leave even before MacT goes?

I assume by "bad contracts", you mean that edmonton is overpaying some guys. Wouldn't inflated contracts entice stars to come here? If I heard that some looney was paying everyone way more than other employers, I think I would want to come to work for that guy; even if he was a little crazy.

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#62 Dennis
April 01 2009, 02:37PM
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This is in no way a shot at RB but at the risk of another tiff with Brownlee - not that either of us cares I imagine - the local media is swinging and missing more than Ryan Howard and the only difference is they don't make up for the K's with a prodigious amount of homers.

To wit:

- Garon's a proven netminder and he isn't making big dollars but he's dealt for a package that doesn't help us now and doesn't promise to provide much help in the future. All this to keep JDD off the waiver and this is a kid who's shown nothing at the AHL level as to necessitate such a move as the aforementioned.

So, MacT doesn't trust the kid and he rides Roli and now Roli's letting in two bad goals a game and who can blame him for being tired? Certainly not me. But I can say I saw this coming when we moved off Garon for nothing '09 tangible.

The media said what about this? In fact, I was listening to Tencer and Stauffer talking about how this was great asset management and it made me feel sad.

- Moreau shoves sh!t and packages it sugar on a daily basis and no one says a peep. You've got a guy with a jacket of offensive zone penalties and yet he's out last night talking about the failure of the PP. It seems to me that 18 was the guy who went out to the left point last night to challenge on the PK but didn't go down to block and didn't put his stick in the lane and, bam, there's another PK goal. It hurts me to say it but Moreau is the new Tommy Salo: he's the guy you can point to the most for glaring errors but no one's made less accountable in the press.

That's just two things and I could go on and on but it's shocking how misinformed you'd be if you did nothing team-following wise other than read the papers or listen to the radio.

Propaganda, pure and simple.

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#63 Jonathan Willis
April 01 2009, 03:16PM
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@ Dennis:

Garon's played in three games for the Penguins, only starting two of them. In those three games, he has a 3.70 GAA and .862 SV%. In 15 games with the Oilers, Garon had a 3.17 GAA and .895 SV%.

By way of contrast, Dany Sabourin, who the Oilers acquired in the Garon deal has played 19 NHL games this season, with a 2.85 GAA and .898 SV%. The Penguins through in a 4th round pick and an AHL forward to boot.

Now, you can argue that the Oilers need a backup goalie that MacT has some confidence in, and I don't disagree - but I see nothing to indicate that Garon is a better option than the guy who came back the other way.

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#64 Jonathan Willis
April 01 2009, 03:34PM
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@ Dennis:

Further rebuttal at my blog.

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#65 Dennis
April 01 2009, 03:44PM
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JW: what is Stone going to do that's going to help us?

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#66 smytty777
April 01 2009, 03:55PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

JW I have to really question the validity of that data given the sample size. What does that tell us about JDD especially, I would argue, given the limited number of games, nothing.

I take your point that Garon was nothing special this year, but to suggest that Sabourin is better than either Garon or JDD seems a stretch based only on that very limited amount of data.

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#67 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 04:00PM
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Dennis wrote:

That’s just two things and I could go on and on but it’s shocking how misinformed you’d be if you did nothing team-following wise other than read the papers or listen to the radio. Propaganda, pure and simple.

And for the 232nd time the MSM sucks . . . And the people who want the REAL story should go where? Got any websites you'd care to promote?

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#68 Jonathan Willis
April 01 2009, 04:03PM
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@ smytty777:

Long-term, maybe. But this year, there's no doubt that a coach should have little/no confidence in Garon. Similarly, JDD is a question mark, so nobody wants to insert him during a playoff push.

Sabourin though is a decent backup, and has put up reliable albeit unspectacular numbers this season. I suspect MacT would have been much less reluctant to give him a start than he has been with JDD.

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#69 Jonathan Willis
April 01 2009, 04:04PM
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Dennis wrote:

JW: what is Stone going to do that’s going to help us?

Nothing - he's needed AHL fodder. Garon/Sabourin is basically treading water (this season Sabourin's marginally better, both are pending UFAs).

On the other hand, the Oilers get a 4th round pick too.

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#70 smytty777
April 01 2009, 04:09PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

I guess I just question whether Sabourin would inspire any more confidence than Garon, in my view they are pretty similar numbers wise. I still think it was a mistake to not give JDD a couple of starts, question mark or no. His numbers are artifically inflated off the Buffalo and Detroit games where he got shelled in a backup role.

I would like to see them run out JDD the rest of the way, it would be a short audition, but better than no audition.

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#71 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 04:30PM
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Dennis wrote:

That’s just two things and I could go on and on but it’s shocking how misinformed you’d be if you did nothing team-following wise other than read the papers or listen to the radio. Propaganda, pure and simple.

You don't ready everything that's written in the newspapers and you don't listen to everything that's said on the radio. You've proven that time and again by making statements that were just flat out wrong. When I've passed on links or passages from items in the past, you've shrugged and said, "Oh, I didn't read that one," and then carried on as usual with your ongoing display of contempt for the clueless, naive, bought-and-paid-for MSM, even in cases where it flies in the face of the facts.

This latest bit -- and, really, isn't calling it "propaganda" over the top, even for an MSM wish-I-was like you? -- is more of the same. I know you weren't directing this at me, but the broad brush you use is just tiring. It's a lot like when MSM guys characterize all bloggers as wearing pajamas and all that BS.

There are bloggers who turn out laughable loads of over-emotional hyperbole, naive narrative and untold passages of rambling, mindless tripe every day. I read a gutload of it today. That said, it doesn't mean they all do. It doesn't mean there isn't decent analysis and critical, insightful writing being done by people who will never have a press pass.

If you'd just get over whatever it is that's got you fixated on refusing to to budge from your agenda, you might see there's actually an accredited person or two with a clue as well.

Won't hold my breath on that one . . .

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#72 Jamie
April 01 2009, 04:42PM
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a grand total of 16 wins in 37 home games

Wow. I knew it was bad, but that is just sickening. Especially when I look at the prices on my ticket stubs. Excuse me while I go cry for awhile.

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#73 Tyler
April 01 2009, 04:53PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

This latest bit — and, really, isn’t calling it “propaganda” over the top, even for an MSM wish-I-was like you? — is more of the same.

I don't think "propaganda" is such a bad word, although there's a saying about never ascribing to malice that which can be ascribed to incompetence that came to mind last night when Dan Tencer explained that he was something of a student of the odds and then went on to opine that he didn't like MacT going for the 6 on 4 because it would permit the Ducks to shoot pucks from the wrong side of centre at the empty net without fear of icing. I was nearly moved to phone in to see if he understands the difference between being two skaters up versus one skater up and whether he really thinks the marginal advantage of being able to fire off-balance shots at an empty net without fear of icing was such a bad thing.

Dennis is right about the Garon thing. Judged in a vaccuum, the return was decent. Judged against the needs of this team, this year, it's actually pretty bad. You can make an argument - one that I'm not sure I buy but it's an argument - that this team has now sacrificed a playoff appearance at the alter of JDD's potential. Whether MacT would have been more comfortable running Garon out there, I don't know and I don't know how Dennis or others are able to tell when a goalie is playing shittty because he's tired versus playing shitty because he's having a shitty game, but it's pretty stunning that they went without a backup so as to protect JDD. Whether Tencer and Stauffer's failure to realize this is incompetence or malice, who knows.

Similarly, the Moreau stuff is nuts. It's like Slats in his last days here. I've mentioned this before but Barnes (I think; may actually have been you Robin) wrote a column in the Journal that basically said that the Emperor had no clothes. There was palpable shock amongst people I knew that an Edmonton reporter would write such a thing and jokes that he was just trying to get fired. I don't get how Moreau avoids the gears for the penalties this year, when so many other players are open whipping boys for the media, like Penner and Nilsson.

One other aside, since we're on about media again here: Stauffer got into the Smyth thing last night. There's nothing weaker than telling a guy that if he knew what you knew, he wouldn't be blaming Lowe for Smyth and that you'll tell the story someday. True or not, it just makes it sound like you're carrying the Oilers water which, as we know, is part of the duties of the colour guy. In effect, Stauffer was an Oilers' employee saying that there was dirt to be had on Smyth but praising the Oilers organization for taking the high road. Hilarious even if I suspect Stauffer didn't realize how it would come off.

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#74 swany
April 01 2009, 05:02PM
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RB this team never lets the fans down easy, today 95% of us think this team is done one more loss and it would be easy to go into the night.But watch they will win the next three the Preds will lose and so will the Ducks making all of us think there is a chance again pulling on our heartstrings. I've said this all along it will come down to the last 2 against Calgary and we will be on the outside looking in, but they won't make it easy on us.

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#75 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 05:34PM
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@ swany: It won't come down to the Calgary games except maybe mathematically. They'll lose to San Jose and maybe get a loser point from Vancouver, beat Los Angeles and split with Calgary. I see five points at best. That makes 86 points and means Anaheim and Nashville need just three points each from five games to close them out. Plus, they've got St. Louis in the mix ahead of them. No cigar.

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#76 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 01 2009, 05:51PM
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I honestly dont see how this team can rebound from that last night. The phycological aftermath of losing a game like that wont be easy to recover from, especially against a team like San Jose.

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#77 Phil
April 01 2009, 05:59PM
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FSNF

Fire Stafford Now F*ck

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#78 David S
April 01 2009, 06:12PM
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Jack "FMNF" Bauer wrote:

I honestly dont see how this team can rebound from that last night. The phycological aftermath of losing a game like that wont be easy to recover from, especially against a team like San Jose.

Myself. I think the wheels came off mentally in Phoenix. That was the point the team collectively realized they didn't have enough gas left in the tank.

Our first line has been sub par (compared to other first lines) because Horcoff has been ridden into the ground compensating for a second good centreman. Souray and Gilbert have been ground to dust trying to compensate for the loss of Visnovsky, who also made Hemsky tick. The other guys have been pushed beyond expectations to compensate for our first line failures.

It was a combination of a key injury and lack of addressing holes by upper management. I'd add questionable calls by the coach, but I don't know enough about why he made those calls, although the above points probably had some bearing.

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#79 Dennis
April 01 2009, 06:35PM
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RB: The point about a broad brush is fair enough in the overall context but today and last night I heard and read folks like Stauffer-Tencer-Gregor-barnes=matty all gloss over obvious points in the search for what might have gone wrong.

So, for this one, I think it requires a broad brush.

As for my MSM wishes, I'd say they are no more relevant in 2009 than the tales of your 8-tracks.

There's no way I could toe the company line.

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#80 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 07:54PM
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Dennis wrote:

RB: The point about a broad brush is fair enough in the overall context but today and last night I heard and read folks like Stauffer-Tencer-Gregor-barnes=matty all gloss over obvious points in the search for what might have gone wrong. So, for this one, I think it requires a broad brush. As for my MSM wishes, I’d say they are no more relevant in 2009 than the tales of your 8-tracks. There’s no way I could toe the company line.

Again, you generalize. Maybe the criticism isn't as pointed as you'd like or directed at the specific people you'd like, but to suggest media in this town "toe the company line" isn't only insulting, it's inaccurate.

Maybe nobody put Moreau or others you deem guilty in their bomb sites, but if you think the column by Terry Jones today saying it's time to fit the Oilers for toe tags and MacTavish is a goner was toeing the company line, you really have no clue. And, by the way -- even though it's something you give MSM types zero credit for -- Jones showed up at the rink today to give MacTavish a chance to have his say. You have never once had to put yourself in that position while "telling it like is" anonymously. Things tend to come out a little more black and white when nobody knows who the hell you are.

Anyway, I could go on and on, but I'm pretty sure you already know full well what I'm talking about and are smart enough to understand the nuances and demands of covering a team for a living are considerably different than being a pillar of truth on some obscure website.

Of course, if you were to admit that, what the hell would you have to bitch about? Most of your material as a self-appointed media watchdog and champion of the truth would be gone.

Can't have that, can we?

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#81 David S
April 01 2009, 08:02PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

being a pillar of truth on some obscure website

That was simply classic.

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#82 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 09:32PM
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@ David S: You want classic? Here's one of the better mistakes to come out of Tuesday's game, courtesy of John MacKinnon, the second-string columnist at The Journal behind Dan Barnes. On the Selanne stick measurement:

"With time ticking away, Denis Grebeshkov poked a rebound through Hiller's leg's to make it 4-2 at 16:33 of the third period. And, oops, suddenly there was Stortini tipping a Tom Gilbert slap shot to make it 4-3 at 17:49. Which is when Oilers MacTavish chose to have Ducks' forward Teemu Selanne measured. It was legal."

So MacTavish had Selanne measured? And what, exactly, was legal?

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#83 swany
April 01 2009, 09:53PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ swany: It won’t come down to the Calgary games except maybe mathematically. They’ll lose to San Jose and maybe get a loser point from Vancouver, beat Los Angeles and split with Calgary. I see five points at best. That makes 86 points and means Anaheim and Nashville need just three points each from five games to close them out. Plus, they’ve got St. Louis in the mix ahead of them. No cigar.

RB I will double up that ham sandwich they beat the Sharks, and with the Blues losing tonight they can jump up. I'm not saying they make the playoffs but they will make it harder on us, watch they beat the Sharks, Nucks, and L.A. then will lose the last 2. I don't see the Preds or the Blues making it. Preds have there top three guys out and with the Blues they were on a great run but had to sit for three days, there magic is done.

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#84 Dennis
April 01 2009, 10:32PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

I understand the demands are different for covering the team in the Edm: different in that you need to be hit over the head with something before you'll report it and when it does get reported, it's from that bastion of good sense, Terry Jones. And even when something does get reported, you'd see five slam jobs on Penner before you'd get to who gave him the contract.

BTW, Terry Jones?

Give me a ******* break.

And I guess you could be a "pillar or truth" - I'd prefer to call it a proclaimer of good sense:) - on an obscure website or you could be a guy who's either too daft to know the truth or who's just too comfortable to be bothered with it.

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#85 Robin Brownlee
April 01 2009, 10:54PM
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@ Dennis: Nice side-stepping. You're good at that. You never really face the point head on. Why deal with or in anhy way acknowledge the real differences between being an anonymous critic, which is what you are, and somebody who covers the team for a living? You'd be out of ammo if you did. So you won't.

Again, you've got nothing to offer without the ability to hack on the MSM, so you're not going to give that up. No chance. Actually, you do have the numbers thing. How's that selling?

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#86 ken
April 01 2009, 11:04PM
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Stick measurement is a desperate measure at best and is not the point. This season was lost weeks ago. Tambellini has to clean house to make a statement regardless of the last few games. The season ticket holders demand it!

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#87 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 02 2009, 12:42AM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

How did MacT react to Terry Jones today? I imagine Craig wouldnt have much to say since Terry has been covering this nonsense longer than MacT has worn skates.

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#88 Robin Brownlee
April 02 2009, 07:20AM
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@ Jack "FMNF" Bauer: MacT is a pro. If you heard the clips of his interview Tuesday he was fairly candid in talking to us, including Terry. Answered Terry's questions, didn't sulk etc.

The deal in our game, and I'm not holding TJ out as some bastion of journalistic integrity, is that when you carve somebody a new one, when you write they should lose their job, when you say they're a lousy captain or are as useless as tits on a bull at what they do, you show up at the rink the next day to face the music after you've had your say.

It's only fair.

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#89 Tyler
April 02 2009, 08:08AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The deal in our game, and I’m not holding TJ out as some bastion of journalistic integrity, is that when you carve somebody a new one, when you write they should lose their job, when you say they’re a lousy captain or are as useless as tits on a bull at what they do, you show up at the rink the next day to face the music after you’ve had your say.

Y'know, you guys go off about this as if it's some noble duty on your part but what do you expect to happen when you go down there the day after writing something? Will Craig MacTavish beat him up? Will he shout at you? What exactly is Jones facing up to? BTW, assuming we're talking about the April 1 column, I didn't even think it was that bad.

Best thing in the world that could happen for Jones and the Sun would be that MacT was uber-pissed and sh*t all over Jones instead of going on at length about the end of his time here. It'd get hyped in the press and Jones would have a easy column to write the following day.

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#90 Tyler
April 02 2009, 08:32AM
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Anyway, I could go on and on, but I’m pretty sure you already know full well what I’m talking about and are smart enough to understand the nuances and demands of covering a team for a living are considerably different than being a pillar of truth on some obscure website.

I don't claim the website to be CNN or anything, but I have to admit that hearing it referred to as an obscure website bugs me a little bit. If you follow the Oilers online, you've probably come across it the odd time. It's not written with an eye towards developing a mass readership or generating the mosts hits possible, as a place like this is. It's not the Edmonton Sun or Journal or anything but within the constellation of Oilers websites we do alright. Let me know when Ron MacLean starts dropping the odd reference to OilersNation on HNiC, ok?

Actually, you do have the numbers thing. How’s that selling?

I can't believe a guy who writes on the internet and in a free daily is taking shots at our sales, particularly given that we're not in the business of selling anything. It's niche stuff. Some find it interesting, some find it completely uninteresting.

What in the hell does that have to do the merits of any point that Dennis or I might make? Do you think that any points you made in columns in the Sun are more valid than the same point made here or in Metro?

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#91 Robin Brownlee
April 02 2009, 08:49AM
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@ Tyler: Dennis gets back what he dishes out, and you as much as anybody know what that is when it comes to his crusade for truth in the MSM.

I recognize there's some great stuff out there that's produced by people well outside the MSM. I'm not the one who'd have ZERO to write about if I didn't spend half my time taking cheapshots at bloggers. Dennis, on the other hand, doesn't have much to say (at least not when he posts here) that doesn't involve taking shots at the MSM when he's done with his numbers.

So, when he trots out his well-established disdain for the MSM and I choose to fire back, you may catch some if it, too.

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#92 Dennis
April 02 2009, 10:26AM
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RB: what did I side-step? That folks have to follow different rules when they cover the team for a living? Sure, everyone knows that. The difference in Edm and other markets is that everyone in Edm seems either too dull to see the truth or they just don't care enough to point it out. I can say this with confidence because we have scene how they act in times when the team isn't successful. Obviously, if the Oilers were successful, it would be somewhat easier to tolerate the all the can-kissing. But they're not so why does that attitude prevail?

Ty: You know the drill, here. RB gets final call and when you zing him, it ends up on the cutting-room floor. And I know this because of all the posts I've had deleted.

All that being said, when it comes to not having "much to offer" I have all kinds to offer when I can use numbers to prove facts:) But I guess that if you don't talk to scouts, you're opinion means nothing:) I never come here and said "So and so sucks" without having something to back up that opinion. But RB keeps pushing that I do because he doesn't want to admit the alternative. If the Oilers were successful, I could come here and say so and so had a good contract because they're doing this and that for x amount of money and it was a good signing. But whereas the team is crap, most of the points will be about how and why it is crap.

When in Rome, as Veronica Corningstone said.

But, if that's the way RB wants to roll, that's certainly up to him.

Getting back to one of my original points, I'll file him being under, "too comfortable to care."

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#93 Robin Brownlee
April 02 2009, 12:37PM
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Getting back to one of my original points, I’ll file him being under, “too comfortable to care.”

And I'll file you where I was always do, under "insignificant and of no consequence."

And why cut Tyler's remarks? There's way more meat in his arguments than anything you offer. Now, I know you've convinced yourself your comments get cut because I just have no answers for all the well-thought out and persuasive arguments you make, but, sadly, not so. It's just that I don't have to put up with you being an asshole and attacking me whenever the mood strikes you, so I don't.

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#94 Robin Brownlee
April 02 2009, 12:50PM
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Tyler wrote:

can’t believe a guy who writes on the internet and in a free daily is taking shots at our sales

Would you believe it more If I wrote for the Canadian Press, which distributes what I write to papers across the country and to websites like TSN, Sportsnet and NHL.com? Or if I wrote for the Globe and Mail or the Chicago Tribune?

Mercy, Tyler, for a guy who works in a profession that relies on cherry picking facts and massaging the truth almost as much as the people in my business do, that was clumsy.

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#95 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 02 2009, 06:04PM
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I love this stuff.

You guys bickering is awesome. BTW have you guys ever met each other?

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#96 Tyler
April 02 2009, 08:19PM
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Jack "FMNF" Bauer wrote:

You guys bickering is awesome. BTW have you guys ever met each other?

Dennis is just a character Robin has created to voice his disgust at being a part of the Oilers PR machine without endangering his standing therein.

Kind of like how Darryl Katz isn't real - Stauffer actually owns the team and just pretends that Katz is texting him or leaking him information about the team. Bob wanted that job beside Rod and was willing to go to great lengths to get it.

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#97 Robin Brownlee
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@ Tyler: Now, that's the Grade A stuff I expect.

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