Updated: Tuned out and Souray's business

Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009 07:30PM

Moreau in the penalty box

Fans who've insisted for years Edmonton Oilers coach Craig MacTavish had lost the dressing room weren't wrong, they were just more premature with their guesswork than a pimply-faced freshman with a hot date at the junior prom.

With MacTavish having one foot out the door and GM Steve Tambellini expected to face the media as early as Wednesday, what I was told by somebody I trust, in concert with on-the-record comments by players at Rexall Place Monday, has me convinced the lost-the-room argument holds water.

While MacTavish got most of the ink by voicing frustration with the make-up of the team, the willingness of his players to consistently compete and the inability of the coaching staff to fashion a game plan to suit a roster that's in transition, the telling stuff came from captain Ethan Moreau.

Moreau, long a MacTavish favourite and one of his staunchest backers, didn't exactly stand by his man when discussing his MacTavish's comments in pre-season that the Oilers would contend for a Northwest Division title.

Under the bus went MacT.

What was said

"Hopefully, we learned a bit of a lesson," Moreau said, answering a question by Dan Tencer from 630 CHED. "I think you just come to training camp and, if you have confidence, you have quiet confidence.

"You talk about your goals amongst your group. I don't think you need to predict you're going to win the Stanley Cup or win your division. You just go about your business. I don't think you need to have those expectations. Those are good conversations to have within your team."

Of course, Moreau talked about there being plenty of blame to go around and characterized the season as "a failure right from the top to the bottom," but that's captain-speak.

When I pressed Steve Staios, asking if he wanted MacTavish back, he said all the right things. Still, as somebody who has known Staios since before he arrived in Edmonton, I didn't find him convincing in the least.

"Yes, I would," Staios said. "I think we can have success with him. We've done it in the past. I don't think that a change, just one change, like that is the answer.

"I think that, overall as a group, I think everybody has to look at themselves and, you know, ask themselves if they gave everything they had and were committed. If you have that, you have a better chance of winning and making the playoffs."

What wasn’t said

I found it telling Sheldon Souray, the most-quoted Oiler player during the regular season, opted not to make himself available for interviews Monday. With MacTavish clearly under siege since the team was eliminated from post-season contention, I would have thought he'd be front and centre to defend his coach, watch his back, tell us everything was rosy.

Then again, maybe Souray didn't want to lie -- that would fit with what I was told earlier in the day, when it was suggested MacTavish didn't have many allies in the dressing room and that he'd lost the support of the leadership core. That would be Moreau, Staios, Souray and Shawn Horcoff, who were solidly in MacTavish's corner -- largely because they'd been given the run of the room -- when the season began.

Add that to the obvious bad feelings between MacTavish and frequent doghouse resident Dustin Penner, not to mention MacT's obvious frustration with Robert Nilsson, and nobody, as MacTavish put it, was skipping out of Rexall Place yesterday. And nobody, at least players I talked to, sounded overly distraught at the thought of MacTavish resigning.

Time’s up

So, unless Tambellini is willing to turn the roster upside down, he has little choice but to accept MacTavish's resignation, then sell us tomorrow or the next day on the new direction the team will be embarking on.

That's not to say Tambellini shouldn't be making significant players moves this summer to improve the team and find the right mix, because it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain stem he should, but the motivation for doing so shouldn't be placating MacTavish. That won't happen here.

And it shouldn't.

Pronger reprise?

Perhaps one of the reasons Souray didn't make himself available to reporters Monday is he didn't want to address speculation that he's asked Tambellini for a trade.

Rumours Souray has asked to be dealt began several weeks ago and they've persisted since. To this point, neither Souray or anybody in the Oilers front office has gone on the record to put the talk to rest. Until that happens, and there's a flat-out denial from one of the parties, this has legs.

Stay tuned.

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#101 Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009, 03:37PM
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Ducey wrote:

Hmmm… Moreau saying they learned not to predict a title, Staios saying he would like MacT back and Souray not wanting to speak to the media, means he lost the room? I think it is likely he lost the room, but none of the evidence you cited adds up to more than the shakiest argument in support of it.

I'm writing an item for ON, not testifying in a court of law. Should I quote people who have spoken to me on the condition they not be quoted to satisfy you? Should I try to put into words the tones of conversations I've had on a daily basis with people inside the dressing room or have to qualify the instincts I've developed, and what they tell me now, for you? I think not.

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#102 jeff
April 14 2009, 03:40PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: So is this an Eklund type rumor or Dreger type rumor?

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#103 Harlie
April 14 2009, 03:40PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

yeah that would work. Or maybe you could draw up a map next time too. Thanks in advance.

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#104 Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009, 03:44PM
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@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Good question on the timing of this. I couldn't get a read that he'd lost the room at any point in the first half, although I'd been told by somebody who knows there were issues within the room and that everything wasn't rosy.

If you want my opinion, this thing started to snowball with the calling out and treatment of players. most notably Penner, by MacTavish. Now, I'm no big Penner fan, but some of these moves by MacTavish involving him were the epitome of frustration as opposed to tactical moves made to spark the player to better performances or benefit the team.

At the same time, other players, and Moreau has been pointed out by some, deemed to be favourites of MacTavish seemed to have way more rope. That can cause dissension, and I think it did. I have a feeling, and it's only a feeling, that Penner had a lot of allies in the room and that MacTavish lost some of his support with the way he treated him -- especially framed by the free pass some other players got.

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#105 jeff
April 14 2009, 03:44PM
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Harlie wrote:

@ Robin Brownlee: yeah that would work. Or maybe you could draw up a map next time too. Thanks in advance. .

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#106 jeff
April 14 2009, 03:48PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Good question on the timing of this. I couldn’t get a read that he’d lost the room at any point in the first half, although I’d been told by somebody who knows there were issues within the room and that everything wasn’t rosy. If you want my opinion, this thing started to snowball with the calling out and treatment of players. most notably Penner, by MacTavish. Now, I’m no big Penner fan, but some of these moves by MacTavish involving him were the epitome of frustration as opposed to tactical moves made to spark the player to better performances or benefit the team. At the same time, other players, and Moreau has been pointed out by some, deemed to be favourites of MacTavish seemed to have way more rope. That can cause dissension, and I think it did. I have a feeling, and it’s only a feeling, that Penner had a lot of allies in the room and that MacTavish lost some of his support with the way he treated him — especially framed by the free pass some other players got.

I had that feeling when they called him out. Penner was talked about so much during the off-season how he was a likeable and fun guy to be around.

But these guys have a job and they weren't doing it, what was MacT to do already? I think we have too many Sally Girls on this team and it is time to get some men on this team, just make sure they aren't married and have no kids.

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#107 OilW30
April 14 2009, 03:56PM
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You obviously know more about it than I do, but I just find it so hard to believe that MacT lost the vets. And if they did turn on MacT, it seems like a dumb thing to do since guys like Staios and Moreau (and maybe even Horcoff) probably saw more ice than they will under anyone else.

I can see guys like Penner and Nilsson being pissed, but they got what they deserved.

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#108 Harlie
April 14 2009, 03:57PM
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jeff wrote:

Harlie wrote: @ Robin Brownlee: yeah that would work. Or maybe you could draw up a map next time too. Thanks in advance. . ———-> Bus Depot ! . ! . ! . ! . ! . ! Strippers ! V International Airport

u forgot one important destination

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#109 Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009, 03:59PM
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@ Jamie: There's been "I heard this" or "I heard that" floating around different websites for awhile. What I try to do with something like this -- having heard the same kinds of things about Pronger and mistakenly dismissed them out of hand before Don Meehan fed his buddy Al Strachan a tidbit -- is make a note and sniff around.

You look for something from someobody in the know to substantiate what you've heard. You don't run to the player in question and say, "Somebody called OilersRuleForever on a X website said you want a trade, is it true?" You don't go to the GM with that kind of flimsy lead, either. Of course, that's easier said than done with the way Lowe and Tambellini have been scarce in recent weeks.

I know there's a few people who've been waiting to ask the question, but Souray ducked out Monday and an availability we thought we'd have with Tambellini today didn't materialize.

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#110 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 04:03PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Is tomorrow's presser with Tambellini or MacTavish? Or both? Is it strictly about MacT's decision or nothing to do with it?

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#111 Wil
April 14 2009, 04:22PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Good question on the timing of this. I couldn’t get a read that he’d lost the room at any point in the first half, although I’d been told by somebody who knows there were issues within the room and that everything wasn’t rosy. If you want my opinion, this thing started to snowball with the calling out and treatment of players. most notably Penner, by MacTavish. Now, I’m no big Penner fan, but some of these moves by MacTavish involving him were the epitome of frustration as opposed to tactical moves made to spark the player to better performances or benefit the team. At the same time, other players, and Moreau has been pointed out by some, deemed to be favourites of MacTavish seemed to have way more rope. That can cause dissension, and I think it did. I have a feeling, and it’s only a feeling, that Penner had a lot of allies in the room and that MacTavish lost some of his support with the way he treated him — especially framed by the free pass some other players got.

That makes sense to me. What I don't understand is the 'who'. If Penner is friends with the young guys, then I get that they are supportive of him and don't like how's he's being treated when the vets get treated differently. If Penner is friends with the vets, I can't see Horcoff and Moreau, two guys who work their butts off supporting Penner over MacT when it comes to work ethic...

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#112 Wil
April 14 2009, 04:30PM
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PS Thanks for the info and the posts Robin. Much appreciated!

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#113 yo
April 14 2009, 04:37PM
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R.B. : With all due respect, the comments you made above have at one time or another been raised by myself and many other people who have written their comments here as well. Although it's great to get the skinny from the 'room' it's really no surprise.

I know you think my views are 'over-the-top' but I suspect that the whole organization is in need of pouring 'Colon Cleanser Hot Sauce' on their wings tonight. The entire Oiler organization is in question.

You mentioned KPrendr the other day. Is he that poor performing his responsibilities or was he ignored by KLowe possibly? Would that qualify him for the boot or not? Or will that be one of the things Tambo will have to sort out. If he starts firing guys he'll have to make sure he gets the right ones.

How does Buchberger get a pass?

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#114 Archaeologuy
April 14 2009, 04:38PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I’m writing an item for ON, not testifying in a court of law. Should I quote people who have spoken to me on the condition they not be quoted to satisfy you? Should I try to put into words the tones of conversations I’ve had on a daily basis with people inside the dressing room or have to qualify the instincts I’ve developed, and what they tell me now, for you? I think not.

I think people need to realize that Brownlee is not Joe Q Anonymous on the internet who heard something from player X's neighbour. The guy is a professional who depends on his sources and access to be able to write what he does. Robin isnt hiding behind some ironic screen name in order to throw the people he knows under the bus with Kelly Buchberger like impunity. Somehow, I'm willing to bet that anything he publishes under his name (including rumours) has more behind it than the rest of us can come up with.

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#115 Reggie
April 14 2009, 04:38PM
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@ Wil: Penner became a whipping boy for MacT. At times the effort was there. I think MacT wanted more from Penner and was frustrated and that may have clouded his judgement.

I think his friends in the room (vets or otherwise)don't like to see a buddy get crapped on. There's always three sides to a story, MacT's side, Penner's side and the truth somewhere in the middle.

No one likes to see a buddy struggle, etc. I remember back in the day, a few Oiler went to the coaching staff to try get David Oliver (of all people) back in the lineup cause they thought he deserved another chance.

Teams are pretty tight most times and a coach is still management.

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#116 baggedmilk
April 14 2009, 04:39PM
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These rumours about players wanting to leave are starting to be too much. Souray rumour... Hemsky rumour... Some of that has to be with the way this team is coached. I will cry loudly and girly outside Rexall if big sexy leaves.

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#117 Harlie
April 14 2009, 04:41PM
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@ Wil:

from watching the PPV's Penner hung around with Gags, Cogs, Brodz & Gibby. I was at one of the FutureShops in town a few months ago and Gilbert and Gagner were hanging out looking at Gaming stuff. No one even recognized them. Funny in that Gagner was wearing an Oilers ball cap! Real undercover!!

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#118 Malc
April 14 2009, 04:43PM
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yo wrote:

How does Buchberger get a pass?

I think he'd have a job in scouting. It took a lot to get him out of pheonix because they valued his scouting so much (i think).

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#119 Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009, 04:46PM
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@ yo: With KP, player acqusition is at the top of the list of "things to do" and he oversees that (Stu MacGregor is the chief scout), in terms of drafting, so he'll be looked at.

Really, everybody should be. You're not far off with your cleansing remark. When a team has missed the playoff five of the last seven years and three straight, why should anybody be comfortable?

Buchberger has a long relationship with Lowe and he's tight with Katz.

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#120 Wil
April 14 2009, 04:49PM
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Reggie wrote:

@ Wil: Penner became a whipping boy for MacT. At times the effort was there. I think MacT wanted more from Penner and was frustrated and that may have clouded his judgement. I think his friends in the room (vets or otherwise)don’t like to see a buddy get crapped on. There’s always three sides to a story, MacT’s side, Penner’s side and the truth somewhere in the middle. No one likes to see a buddy struggle, etc. I remember back in the day, a few Oiler went to the coaching staff to try get David Oliver (of all people) back in the lineup cause they thought he deserved another chance. Teams are pretty tight most times and a coach is still management.

I get that. I also wonder if the vets agreed in principle with MacT 'motivating' Penner, but disagreed with his methods (ie bring up his salary at one point, or whatever other example you want where MacT trashed him). I agree with MacT motivating Penner, but I do think he crossed a line.

The flip side is that if I'm a hard worker, and I see lazy guy getting a free pass, that bothers me. I can't see a guys like Horcoff/Staios/Moreau being happy when other players float in a game/practise/etc.

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#121 Reggie
April 14 2009, 04:58PM
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@ Wil: Ya, I would have to agree with you. If it is fair, then that's one thing, but after a while it becomes a stale argument.

The thing that gets me is you punish the whole team by pretending if he doesn't get any results. Ya, maybe you want him to score 30+, but he is our best left winger and he means a lot to the PP by standing in front of the net. Was the first line any better without Penner on it ? It took a long time for Kotalik to become a viable option and at the end of the day, was he significantly better option than Penner ? That is open for debate.

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#122 baggedmilk
April 14 2009, 04:59PM
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@ Robin Brownlee:

Hey Robin,

Quick question about the Souray thing. I get that he may be unhappy, and even though the rumour may have legs but don't you think Katz would want to quash this one? I mean, if I were DK I would be firing texts saying "Souray's not going anywhere" rather than MacT. With a guy willing to spend to the cap on this hockey team, I can't imagine he would be too pleased at the notion of losing one of his star players in the first year he owns the team? We saw him get involved in fishing for Hossa 2008, don't you think he'd be getting his phone working to appease big sexy as well?

What do you think?

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#123 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 05:02PM
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Would there be much interest in looking at UFA's such as Jay Bouwmeester, Mattias Ohlund, Mike Komisarek, Francois Beachemin and then trading Souray and/or Visnovsky for a forward?

Travis Moen would be a 3rd line grinder I'd take a look at in the UFA market (possible replacement for Moreau). Vernon Fiddler could easily come in as added depth as well (10th forward).

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#124 Wil
April 14 2009, 05:05PM
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@ Reggie:

A lot of the underlying numbers show that Penner was very effective this year with Horcoff and Hemsky. But is there a risk that the vets revolt from Penner's 'special' treatment or is the purely a MacT/Penner issue.

Of course winning has a way of making people overlook the little things...

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#125 Rob
April 14 2009, 05:05PM
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I can see the story about MacT losing the room, and the division of the room as well. I rememeber a month or two back the players held a players only meeting because, as the RUMOUR went, the young guys felt that they didn't have a voice in the dressing room and that the FUN had left the room.

Tambo really needs to punt MacT and bring in a new coach asap and start righting the ship before more/any players start wanting out, and UFA season starts.

What better way to start that, than with a coach that has respect through out the league, and who is known for getting the most out his players. Good selling points, some that MacT doesn't have.

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#126 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 05:12PM
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If Souray wanted to be moved to Cali (he has a no-trade clause and can virtually pick his destination), would LW Milan Michalek be a possibility. Rob Blake could potentially retire creating a bit of a hole for the Sharks this off-season. Any "legs" there?

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#127 Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009, 05:22PM
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RossCreek wrote:

If Souray wanted to be moved to Cali (he has a no-trade clause and can virtually pick his destination), would LW Milan Michalek be a possibility. Rob Blake could potentially retire creating a bit of a hole for the Sharks this off-season. Any “legs” there?

You're getting way ahead of things. Like I said earlier, this is a rumour and nothing more at this point. To discount it completely would be foolish, but it's also premature to take it as fact and start working out trade possibilities.

The rumour, and the fact Souray has been separated from his kids, plus the fact he didn't talk to the media Monday are all bits and pieces. Do they add up to him requesting a trade? Maybe. Maybe not. All we can do is ask Tambellini if the request has been made.

If I had it firm from Souray or anybody else, I wouldn't be burying the item at the bottom of the story. It would be the story.

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#128 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 05:26PM
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@ Robin Brownlee: Your right... but would you have any interest in Michalek (regardless of who's going the other way) or does he not "float your boat"?

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#129 Rob
April 14 2009, 05:28PM
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@Robin

Who are some of the names being tossed around regarding a new coach? I know the Oilers org. won't be leaking anything, if there's nothing to leak yet, but you media types must talk about possable coaches.

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#130 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 14 2009, 05:30PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The rumour, and the fact Souray has been separated from his kids

Why has he been separated from his kids? He made the choice to sign here, why wouldnt he bring his family with him? And on that note, where does his family live?

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#131 Rob
April 14 2009, 05:33PM
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@ Jack "FMNF" Bauer:

His EX lives in LA.

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#132 Woodguy
April 14 2009, 05:38PM
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Stevo wrote:

Trading Souray would be a blessing in disguise. Stats aside, his inability to move his feet and the puck on the powerplay was a big reason it was so awful, plus he’s injury prone. The Oil could get huge return for him right now and still have a very good young defence core. The Oilers so called “leadership core” needs to change. Trade Souray, Moreau, Staios and let the team move forward with the kids who actually want to be here. The Oilers have lost there way trying to be big spenders and making “big splashes” each off season. They need to build through the draft and with smart and astute UFA signings.

This is the correct answer.

Souray's value will never be higher. Assuming that Tambo doesn't panic like Lowe did, he can really help this team with a good Souray trade.

I like Souray, but his defence and puck movement is not to the level that you need to play 20+min/night.

The fact that he wants to be traded (if it is fact) will widen the number of prospective trade partners, rather than if you just wanted to move him, his salary and NTC to make room for others (prayforjbo).

It is always good to sell high, and you will never be higher with Souray than you are today.

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#133 baggedmilk
April 14 2009, 05:46PM
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Woodguy wrote:

The fact that he wants to be traded (if it is fact) will widen the number of prospective trade partners, rather than if you just wanted to move him, his salary and NTC to make room for others (prayforjbo).

You just contradicted yourself fella. His NMC clause let's him pick the ship he wants to sail on. Who says that team has anything Tambo wants?

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#134 Greg MC
April 14 2009, 06:16PM
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@ baggedmilk: If Sheldon Souray wants a trade here are some possible scenarios:

Oiler's can make a deal with a team that meets the conditions of Souray.

Oiler's can't make a deal to their liking and SS sits until one is completed.

Or, Sheldon can can play out his contract while awaiting a trade.

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#135 Greg MC
April 14 2009, 06:18PM
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This is no time to be thinking about Burlesque!

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#136 Woodguy
April 14 2009, 06:54PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Woodguy wrote: The fact that he wants to be traded (if it is fact) will widen the number of prospective trade partners, rather than if you just wanted to move him, his salary and NTC to make room for others (prayforjbo). You just contradicted yourself fella. His NMC clause let’s him pick the ship he wants to sail on. Who says that team has anything Tambo wants?

BM: Think about it.

1) The Oilers want to move Souray (cap reasons, sell high reasons,etc), he likes it where he is. He is asked for the list of teams he would go to. He provides them

2) Souray isn't happy and wants a trade. He is asked for the list of teams he would go to. He provides them.

The list for #2 is way longer than for #1.

There are more than a few people who figure that selling Souray now is the best bet for the Oilers moving forward.

His margin defensive play, mediocre passing, penchant for the odd dumb penalty, big cap number, and current status as an all star all point to selling now being the best use of him as an asset.

The Oilers would lose his toughness, point shot on the PP and his leadership. No question that his departure wouldn't be all wine and roses.

The positives for moving him outweigh the negatives and if he wants to move, and therefore will go to more places than if he didn't want to move, is a good thing for the Oilers.

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#137 Dan
April 14 2009, 06:58PM
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Souray going into next year will become uber important as I see Staios being showed the door. Therefore, Souray will become the glue of the D. Souray is everything I'd want an Oiler to be and that includes being accountable.

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#138 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 14 2009, 06:58PM
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I dont see how the positives outweight the negatives. Hes our #2 scorer, hes the only guy the opposition run and hide from in the scrums. Hes one of the few on this team who act like they give a flying f*ck on a nightly basis.

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#139 topshelf
April 14 2009, 07:11PM
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Jack "FMNF" Bauer wrote:

I dont see how the positives outweight the negatives. Hes our #2 scorer, hes the only guy the opposition run and hide from in the scrums. Hes one of the few on this team who act like they give a flying f*ck on a nightly basis.

Also, he has one of the most feared clappers from the point in the league and he scored 1/3 of our power play goals this year.

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#140 baggedmilk
April 14 2009, 07:11PM
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@ Woodguy:

You've got some points there, but he is a guy I don't want to see moved. He is a tough guy to play against, sticks up for his team mates, is a vocal leader, and has the ability to produce from the back end.

The $5.4 million cap hit is something I'd live with every day. Especially considering what he brings. At +1 on the season, on a bad team, you can't say his defensive play was atrocious this year. Souray is a guy I want around.

Steve Staios at $3 million cap hit deserves some walking papers. What he brings is sloppy defense, no point production, and an aging carcass that can't do it anymore.

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#141 AlBundy
April 14 2009, 07:42PM
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I hate to say this, but Sandra called this a while ago. She mentioned Souray has not played well since the All Star game and then someone posted the stat's to prove it.

This makes for a great trade maybe for a high end forward, I think I saw Kovalchuk's name mentioned a few times. Soury, Cog's, Gilbert- that's three good people that Atlanta should be interested in.

I hope the Oil sign Zoli the goalie, who else are we going to get.

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#142 michael
April 14 2009, 08:00PM
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MacT has lost the room, the fans and the confidence of all of Oiler Nation. MacT has always said that at the end of the day its about "results". The results are final and the deal is that its time for the tea and MacT to part ways. Rumors of Sheldon Souray's departure are sure to make many wonder if its another Pronger siyuation. Far from it. He misses his kids from his first marriage. As a father myself of a 5year old son I would try to do the best I could to accomadate work and my child if I were in a similar position. Brownlee your a dad too. This ain't rocket science. A deal with the L.A. Kings could be done to the benefit of both teams. L.A. could use a talent like Souray, and we could use a #5 draft pick to placate the Oiler faithful. #5 and #10 sure would look good if you were looking to trade for Tavares. The Islanders are going nowhere, the team will be moved sooner than later. Tavares is not going to make an iota of difference to that franchise. There are many pie in the sky dreams floating out there in the midst of another disappointing season. Its time to be bold, make the changes. Oiler Nation is patient. Not stupid. We can tell a Pinto from a Corvette. Move forward and lets put this season where it belongs. In the rearview mirror.

teammate michael

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#143 topshelf
April 14 2009, 09:02PM
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I would sing Tambellini a love song wearing only a banana hammock from center ice in RX1 if he crafted a way to get Tavares in Oiler silks.

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#144 TDSM31
April 14 2009, 09:33PM
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If Souray ends up leaving first thing we'll have to do is permanently ban jersey #44....or give it to Penner.

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#145 Woodguy
April 14 2009, 10:04PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

@ Woodguy: You’ve got some points there, but he is a guy I don’t want to see moved. He is a tough guy to play against, sticks up for his team mates, is a vocal leader, and has the ability to produce from the back end. The $5.4 million cap hit is something I’d live with every day. Especially considering what he brings. At +1 on the season, on a bad team, you can’t say his defensive play was atrocious this year. Souray is a guy I want around. Steve Staios at $3 million cap hit deserves some walking papers. What he brings is sloppy defense, no point production, and an aging carcass that can’t do it anymore.

Dan & BM: Moving Souray and having it be a positive for the team certainly isn't a slam dunk. Its tough to weigh the intangibles. There are good arguments on both sides. I think moving him now has the best net gain given the high quality of defensemen on this team, the large portion of the cap that they occupy and the high quality you could get back for him.

Moving Staios should be a no brainer. If you can move Captain Jason Smith because he was a declining asset, but was still an important part of the team, then moving Staios is light years less disruptive to the team. He has a 2.7 cap and is basically a 3rd pairing guy. He really stepped up when the team needed him after Vis went down, but his minutes can be replaced by better, cheaper and younger guys. (Scuderi, Zanon, Oduya types)

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#146 topshelf
April 14 2009, 10:27PM
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Woodguy wrote:

Moving Staios should be a no brainer. If you can move Captain Jason Smith because he was a declining asset, but was still an important part of the team, then moving Staios is light years less disruptive to the team. He has a 2.7 cap and is basically a 3rd pairing guy. He really stepped up when the team needed him after Vis went down, but his minutes can be replaced by better, cheaper and younger guys. (Scuderi, Zanon, Oduya types)

When does Theo Peckham get a chance to be an everyday player? I would think he could fill that hole eventually.

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#147 David S
April 14 2009, 11:42PM
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Picks, Peckham, trade Souray, Tavares? You do know what you guys are talking about is a total rebuild right? If you think this year sucked, try thinking about next year with two vets who barely scratched 20 goals each, assistant captain Sam Gagner and a bag of up and comers and maybes. I'd like to see the coach who would step into that pile of crap.

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#148 West Coast Oil
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Wow people you need to chill.. It is not a confirmed story as yet and we do not know any details yet people are pushing Souray out the door. First people complained because no UFA's would come to Edmonton then Lowe got Souray so people complained about his contract. People complained again about UFAs not coming here so Lowe got Penner and guess what people then complained about his play and his contract. So now let me get this straight..the one UFA who has come to Edmonton in the last two years and you guys are ready to push him out the door (hell most of you have his bags packed already!) yet you think other UFA's like Ohlund, Hossa etc. will come running?? The first thing that went through my head when I heard the Souray rumour is that he must have been really disappointed in the season and perhaps lack of effort to change that he saw or perhaps the negativity in the room with MacT and the other players was starting to get to him. Thats it! No "Pronger 2 the sequel", no "get his ass out of town" and no "oh my god the sky is falling". If you look at the last interviews by Souray and Hemmer you can see the major looks of disappointment in their faces. Both guys showed their emotions just in different ways and in my eyes this is a good thing because it showed they care about the team and the results. Compare this to Staois who seemed more like oh well another year done. Give me a team of players like Hemsky and Souray any day, players who demand more and want to succeed and hey if the management or coaching staff arent committed to ensuring this then yeah they have every right to ask for a trade! I hope it is just frustration over a bad year and once he sees MacT is gone and Tambellini making changes he will be back. The last two years we had 1 UFA join us and many rebuff us (no matter how much money we threw at them)and it is not like the team showed anything play wise to win over any impending UFA's. Think about it people would you rather make 4 million a year in Edmonton or Florida if you knew either team you went to was not going to make the play offs more than likely?? The UFA's will come when we start having on ice success and until then lets not kick out the ones we do have.

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#149 humantorch
April 15 2009, 02:00AM
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Greg MC wrote:

This is no time to be thinking about Burlesque!

I disagree completely. It's ALWAYS time to be thinking about Burlesque.

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#150 David S
April 15 2009, 08:21AM
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humantorch wrote:

I disagree completely. It’s ALWAYS time to be thinking about Burlesque.

And propane!

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