Updated: Tuned out and Souray's business

Robin Brownlee
April 14 2009 07:30PM

Moreau in the penalty box

Fans who've insisted for years Edmonton Oilers coach Craig MacTavish had lost the dressing room weren't wrong, they were just more premature with their guesswork than a pimply-faced freshman with a hot date at the junior prom.

With MacTavish having one foot out the door and GM Steve Tambellini expected to face the media as early as Wednesday, what I was told by somebody I trust, in concert with on-the-record comments by players at Rexall Place Monday, has me convinced the lost-the-room argument holds water.

While MacTavish got most of the ink by voicing frustration with the make-up of the team, the willingness of his players to consistently compete and the inability of the coaching staff to fashion a game plan to suit a roster that's in transition, the telling stuff came from captain Ethan Moreau.

Moreau, long a MacTavish favourite and one of his staunchest backers, didn't exactly stand by his man when discussing his MacTavish's comments in pre-season that the Oilers would contend for a Northwest Division title.

Under the bus went MacT.

What was said

"Hopefully, we learned a bit of a lesson," Moreau said, answering a question by Dan Tencer from 630 CHED. "I think you just come to training camp and, if you have confidence, you have quiet confidence.

"You talk about your goals amongst your group. I don't think you need to predict you're going to win the Stanley Cup or win your division. You just go about your business. I don't think you need to have those expectations. Those are good conversations to have within your team."

Of course, Moreau talked about there being plenty of blame to go around and characterized the season as "a failure right from the top to the bottom," but that's captain-speak.

When I pressed Steve Staios, asking if he wanted MacTavish back, he said all the right things. Still, as somebody who has known Staios since before he arrived in Edmonton, I didn't find him convincing in the least.

"Yes, I would," Staios said. "I think we can have success with him. We've done it in the past. I don't think that a change, just one change, like that is the answer.

"I think that, overall as a group, I think everybody has to look at themselves and, you know, ask themselves if they gave everything they had and were committed. If you have that, you have a better chance of winning and making the playoffs."

What wasn’t said

I found it telling Sheldon Souray, the most-quoted Oiler player during the regular season, opted not to make himself available for interviews Monday. With MacTavish clearly under siege since the team was eliminated from post-season contention, I would have thought he'd be front and centre to defend his coach, watch his back, tell us everything was rosy.

Then again, maybe Souray didn't want to lie -- that would fit with what I was told earlier in the day, when it was suggested MacTavish didn't have many allies in the dressing room and that he'd lost the support of the leadership core. That would be Moreau, Staios, Souray and Shawn Horcoff, who were solidly in MacTavish's corner -- largely because they'd been given the run of the room -- when the season began.

Add that to the obvious bad feelings between MacTavish and frequent doghouse resident Dustin Penner, not to mention MacT's obvious frustration with Robert Nilsson, and nobody, as MacTavish put it, was skipping out of Rexall Place yesterday. And nobody, at least players I talked to, sounded overly distraught at the thought of MacTavish resigning.

Time’s up

So, unless Tambellini is willing to turn the roster upside down, he has little choice but to accept MacTavish's resignation, then sell us tomorrow or the next day on the new direction the team will be embarking on.

That's not to say Tambellini shouldn't be making significant players moves this summer to improve the team and find the right mix, because it's obvious to anybody with a functioning brain stem he should, but the motivation for doing so shouldn't be placating MacTavish. That won't happen here.

And it shouldn't.

Pronger reprise?

Perhaps one of the reasons Souray didn't make himself available to reporters Monday is he didn't want to address speculation that he's asked Tambellini for a trade.

Rumours Souray has asked to be dealt began several weeks ago and they've persisted since. To this point, neither Souray or anybody in the Oilers front office has gone on the record to put the talk to rest. Until that happens, and there's a flat-out denial from one of the parties, this has legs.

Stay tuned.

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#51 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 02:17PM
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Clarkenstein wrote:

I would suggest that there is negotiation going on for MacT to resign. Tambellini has likely offered him a portion of his contract for next year and give him the opportunity to resign. MacT is probably saying I will resign but I want ALL of the money for next year or else I will just wait until u fire me. This happens all the time. And the negotiations go on…

I doubt that is the case. I'm guessing MacT's deciding whether he'd rather continue coaching elsewhere in the near future, or if he'd rather continue living in Edmonton, bleeding Oiler blue and taking a management position within the organization (likely to replace Kevin Prendergast). Him & Tambellini (and Lowe) are likely discussing the options.

My guess - he'll sign a new 3 year deal as the Assistant GM/Director of Player Personnel and remain with the Oil.

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#52 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:19PM
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Rick wrote:

Aside from the obvious emotional kick in the junk that comes with yet another player wanting out, is it really such a bad thing if Souray asked to be moved? The Oilers have too much money tied up on the blueline as it is, asking to be traded pretty much frees him up to get traded anywhere, his value is probably at it’s highest right now and his age doesn’t really fit with the new emerging core.

In theory I agree, but we'd be pillow soft on the back end if we take Souray out, he also brings a different offensive element then the other three PMD's.

Also, as we've seen: When a player demands a trade we lose the hammer and usually lose the deal.

I'd rather shop Gilbert/Vis to teams desperate for puck movement then be forced to sell Souray for pennies on the dollar.

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#53 Rob
April 14 2009, 02:22PM
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@ Phil:

If souray does ask to be traded you are so right, I'm not sure how we could recover from that. Trades would be our only optionfor a few years. UFA's would touch us for maximum dollar, but I guess they aleady don't.

*sinks in chair, tears slowly rolling down cheeks*

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#54 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:22PM
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Phil wrote:

The # 44 should be permanently bannished from Oilers history. No goaltender, forward or defenseman should ever be allowed to wear it. If this is Prongergate all over again, it was be such a devastating hit I don’t know if the organization would be able to recover. I know that now the season is done, everyone - and I mean everyone - is stressing each other not to overreact, to not blow things out of proportion… that things are not so far gone, everythings not lost etc. etc. But the way things are looking, it all seems so bush league. Not only do they have a problematic dressing room, they’re also dealing with an identity crisis, coaching crisis, management crisis, players wanting out… on top of the fact our fair city is probably the least favoured city to play in/for.

Relax, the host said he wouldn't be shocked if he wanted out... he didn't say he wanted out.

Their is no "crisis" it's a young team in transition. Swap a piece or two and let Gagner develop and the team will move up the standings.

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#55 Rob
April 14 2009, 02:24PM
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*...UFA's wouldn't touch us...

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#56 Harlie
April 14 2009, 02:26PM
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442Junkie wrote:

Wanye Gretz wrote: Souray asked for a trade??? Oh for heavens sakes. *doesn’t know what to believe in* I am of the opinion that the Oilers should do whatever it takes to keep Souray in the fold. But, if he did ask for a trade than is he really better than Pronger?

why is asking for a trade akin to treason? I'm sure Souray was sold the Cup dream story by KLowe and MacT before he signed here and look where that got him. I would be lining up behind him at the GM's door after this disaster of a season wanting out. Oh, have you seen the weather outside? ;)

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#57 Dan from Wainwright
April 14 2009, 02:26PM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

Hopefully if we do trade Souray we get a raft of prospects, draft picks and Joffery Lupul….stop me if you heard this before…

Classic.

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#58 Death Metal Nightmare
April 14 2009, 02:30PM
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i like that the players who arent that good at carrying a team (other than Souray) - which means mediocre leadership / mediocre EXEMPLARY PLAY ON THE ICE - are the ones mad at MacTavish?

these players are so highly overrated its out of this world. Roloson made 95% of them look mediocre. imagine if this was the Conklin era with this horse shit roster. theyd have to fall on their own swords... i mean letter openers.

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#59 topshelf
April 14 2009, 02:34PM
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Panic much?

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#60 Rick
April 14 2009, 02:34PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

In theory I agree, but we’d be pillow soft on the back end if we take Souray out, he also brings a different offensive element then the other three PMD’s. Also, as we’ve seen: When a player demands a trade we lose the hammer and usually lose the deal. I’d rather shop Gilbert/Vis to teams desperate for puck movement then be forced to sell Souray for pennies on the dollar.

Obviously they would need to address the grit part but a hardnosed stay at home guy should come at a fraction of the price cap wise.

You would also have to hope that the Oilers learned their lesson on jumping the gun to make a move. They just have to be smarter if they are indeed forced to move him.

In reality they are pretty much in a position where they have to move a defenceman anyways so it's not like they are in that much of a different position if Souray asked to be the guy.

I just hope that if this does turn out to be true, Souray and the Oilers handle the situation in a much more low key manner than Pronger did so they can minimize the fallout.

Pronger's camp going to Strachan to break the story and then refusing to man up with an explanation was worse than Pronger merely wanting out in the first place.

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#61 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:36PM
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Harlie wrote:

442Junkie wrote: Wanye Gretz wrote: Souray asked for a trade??? Oh for heavens sakes. *doesn’t know what to believe in* I am of the opinion that the Oilers should do whatever it takes to keep Souray in the fold. But, if he did ask for a trade than is he really better than Pronger? why is asking for a trade akin to treason? I’m sure Souray was sold the Cup dream story by KLowe and MacT before he signed here and look where that got him. I would be lining up behind him at the GM’s door after this disaster of a season wanting out. Oh, have you seen the weather outside?

Not to mention the pretty penny Souray was paid, at the time his contract look like a disaster... and still could.

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#62 Harlie
April 14 2009, 02:38PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Not to mention the pretty penny Souray was paid, at the time his contract look like a disaster… and still could.

most of the pundits are now saying that he is living up to his contract. We'll see what a trade brings to see his true value in the market.

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#63 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:38PM
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Rick wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: In theory I agree, but we’d be pillow soft on the back end if we take Souray out, he also brings a different offensive element then the other three PMD’s. Also, as we’ve seen: When a player demands a trade we lose the hammer and usually lose the deal. I’d rather shop Gilbert/Vis to teams desperate for puck movement then be forced to sell Souray for pennies on the dollar. Obviously they would need to address the grit part but a hardnosed stay at home guy should come at a fraction of the price cap wise. You would also have to hope that the Oilers learned their lesson on jumping the gun to make a move. They just have to be smarter if they are indeed forced to move him. In reality they are pretty much in a position where they have to move a defenceman anyways so it’s not like they are in that much of a different position if Souray asked to be the guy. I just hope that if this does turn out to be true, Souray and the Oilers handle the situation in a much more low key manner than Pronger did so they can minimize the fallout. Pronger’s camp going to Strachan to break the story and then refusing to man up with an explanation was worse than Pronger merely wanting out in the first place.

Ya if a decent deal was on the table, I wouldn't be too upset to see Souray go.

Though hard nosed Dmen haven't been cheap lately: Re Orpik/Finger/Commodore and their 3-4 million dollar contracts.

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#64 Joey Moss
April 14 2009, 02:39PM
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can someone please explain to me how a player asking for a trade equates to the team being required to trade them? i thought the point of contracts were to establish a binding agreement among parties which cannot be broken without either mutual consent, a previously agreed upon escape clause or some other legal wrangling.

i never understood where the players got the balls or the authority to ask for such things. you signed a contract now eat it bitch. i would rather have a player sit at home or in the press box on suspension rather than trade a whiner because he banged the local weather girl or misses his daughter. i mean honestly, hire a better lawyer and move her up to Edmonton - better that then being going back on your word.

if souray does end up getting traded i am going to rage so f-ing hard on this team that rexall place will be smoldering ruins when i'm finished with 'em.

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#65 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:39PM
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Harlie wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: Not to mention the pretty penny Souray was paid, at the time his contract look like a disaster… and still could. most of the pundits are now saying that he is living up to his contract. We’ll see what a trade brings to see his true value in the market.

For this year he certainly did.

You could just as easily see Horc put up 25/75 next year and have everyone praise him and Souray put up 10/30 and have everyone trying to run him out of town.

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#66 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:41PM
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@ Joey Moss:

I'd bet you'd change your tune if he spent three years in the PB while we had an offer on the table for someone with value.

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#67 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 02:41PM
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Any thoughts on D Bryan Allen in FLA? Not sure he's available, but he has 3 years left at a cap hit of $2.9 Million, not to mention a past connection to Steve Tambellini in Vancouver. To me, he'd be a great fit as a 4th D and help fill the void I'd create by moving Staios.

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#68 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:41PM
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@ RossCreek:

Zanon from Nashville as a UFA would be a great Staios replacement.

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#69 Phil
April 14 2009, 02:43PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Phil wrote: The # 44 should be permanently bannished from Oilers history. No goaltender, forward or defenseman should ever be allowed to wear it. If this is Prongergate all over again, it was be such a devastating hit I don’t know if the organization would be able to recover. I know that now the season is done, everyone - and I mean everyone - is stressing each other not to overreact, to not blow things out of proportion… that things are not so far gone, everythings not lost etc. etc. But the way things are looking, it all seems so bush league. Not only do they have a problematic dressing room, they’re also dealing with an identity crisis, coaching crisis, management crisis, players wanting out… on top of the fact our fair city is probably the least favoured city to play in/for. Relax, the host said he wouldn’t be shocked if he wanted out… he didn’t say he wanted out. Their is no “crisis” it’s a young team in transition. Swap a piece or two and let Gagner develop and the team will move up the standings.

If it could all be so simple. This is the NHL. The Blues, Blue Jackets and Blackhawks are all in the playoffs. They will all only get better. You have LA & Phoenix (although probably not them) nipping at your heels, etc..

I don't want to sound as though I saw this all coming, but I did.

I knew from the beginning of the year that this team would struggle to make playoffs because of their size, their overall balance which is very weak, and the general softness. Didn't even factor in the youth, must admit.

There are glaring holes on this roster that need to be addressed, period. A new direction and identity needs to be forged by Tambellini. This is no easy task.

These are not problems you can fix overnight, and it's not an issue of tweaking it just a bit i.e. a trade here, trade there, subtle signing here (especially if Souray has asked for a trade and any more news comes out... detrimental would be an understatement).

Edmonton is in a position of weakness and vulnerability. If Souray asks to go, I pray to the Good Lord up above that Tambo makes the right deal.

Size, grit, compete, hustle, team spirit, pride, AND superstar is not all instilled over one offseason, and these are all crucial things that the Edmonton Oilers are essentially lacking.

The youth needs to grow, and the team will get better I agree, but some of the youth will also have to be moved for bigger (literally) pieces, which may result in the long term talent of the team taking a hit.

All I'm saying is it doesn't get any easier from here, it has potential to get worse. Oiler fans need to be brutally honest. Too many years of false hope are built up.

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#70 Harlie
April 14 2009, 02:43PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Harlie wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: Not to mention the pretty penny Souray was paid, at the time his contract look like a disaster… and still could. most of the pundits are now saying that he is living up to his contract. We’ll see what a trade brings to see his true value in the market. For this year he certainly did. You could just as easily see Horc put up 25/75 next year and have everyone praise him and Souray put up 10/30 and have everyone trying to run him out of town.

yeah but that is then and this is now. He could also eclipse this years numbers next year especially if Visnovsky is healthy and gets playing time with Souray on the backend.

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#71 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 02:45PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

@ RossCreek: Zanon from Nashville as a UFA would be a great Staios replacement.

Not overly familiar with him, but he wouldn't bring the same size & physicality that Allen would.

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#72 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 02:48PM
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@ Phil:

A little over the top don't you think?

3 points seperated 6th from 9th. Parity is the name of the game now. A simple rebound from Horcoff and 60 games rather then 20 out of Gagner and this team is fighting for 6th.

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#73 Dan from Wainwright
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Joey Moss wrote:

can someone please explain to me how a player asking for a trade equates to the team being required to trade them? i thought the point of contracts were to establish a binding agreement among parties which cannot be broken without either mutual consent, a previously agreed upon escape clause or some other legal wrangling. i never understood where the players got the balls or the authority to ask for such things. you signed a contract now eat it bitch. i would rather have a player sit at home or in the press box on suspension rather than trade a whiner because he banged the local weather girl or misses his daughter. i mean honestly, hire a better lawyer and move her up to Edmonton - better that then being going back on your word. if souray does end up getting traded i am going to rage so f-ing hard on this team that rexall place will be smoldering ruins when i’m finished with ‘em.

Somebody make this guy a regular blogger! (I'm not even being sarcastic - good stuff!)

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#74 shakey
April 14 2009, 02:49PM
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@ glenn: I absolutely agree with you on that the reasons are there to fire him. I was just wrong when I thought his contract was up now and then there would be no reason to fire him because he no longer works for them. If he has a year left on his contract then I do think you fire him but he'll most likely get a cushy office job next to his buddy K-Lowe. He may resign from coaching but I'd be surprised if he actually gets fired.

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#75 Phil
April 14 2009, 02:54PM
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In the words of Chris Rock:

"Flavor Flav must be killed. In order for black people to truly reach the promised land... Flavor Fav has to be shot, these are important times."

Someone has to be sacrificed and a message has to be sent to the fans, media, players... anyone and everyone, that there is accountability in this organization and that their main goal is to win.

For the greater good.

No bullsh*t.

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#76 Jonathan Willis
April 14 2009, 02:57PM
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The key difference between Souray and Pronger?

The top three defensemen, post-Pronger: Tjarnqvist, Smith, Staios

The top three defensemen, post-Souray: Visnovski, Gilbert, Grebeshkov

That's a world of difference, folks.

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#77 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 14 2009, 03:00PM
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Who knows what context Souray has asked for a trade.

"If this team doesnt show improvement id like a trade" "If the coach is here next year id like a trade" "If you dont aquire some key people in key positions id like a trade"

It could be a lot of difference between "I want a trade now f'ers" and "I need to see something to want to stay."

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#78 Quinn
April 14 2009, 03:00PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

The key difference between Souray and Pronger? The top three defensemen, post-Pronger: Tjarnqvist, Smith, Staios The top three defensemen, post-Souray: Visnovski, Gilbert, Grebeshkov That’s a world of difference, folks.

So JW, (assuming a trade) where does Souray go and who do we look to see in return? Player or prospects?

IMHO, I think just freeing up the capspace would be a positive return for giving up a player who's had his last injury free season in his present contract.

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#79 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 03:01PM
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Just so I'm clear: Is all this "trade Souray" talk coming from just my post?? Or something else??

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#80 Greg MC
April 14 2009, 03:02PM
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One of Souray or Visnovsky should be dealt. If Vis likes it here (he has a no trade), keep him.

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#81 442Junkie
April 14 2009, 03:03PM
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Harlie wrote:

why is asking for a trade akin to treason? I’m sure Souray was sold the Cup dream story by KLowe and MacT before he signed here and look where that got him. I would be lining up behind him at the GM’s door after this disaster of a season wanting out. Oh, have you seen the weather outside?

Not quite the point I was getting at. I should have spelled it out better. I tend to be long winded though. Here it goes; Pronger had a great year despite being unhappy. Souray has had a good year while apparently being happy. One asked for a trade and the other allegedly asked for one. At least they did while they were playing well. I'm not in favour of running Souray out of town with torches and pitchforks. I hope we as a fan base learned our lesson. Look what the player did while he was here. Yeah it will suck to lose him if he goes but, at least we know which Offensive D-man we know to shop.

Moral of the story, yes it would suck if there is truth to the rumour. the team needs to rise above pettiness and get the best deal for the club moving forward. I personally would thank Pronger for the way he played should I ever meet him on the street. Same with Souray.

Finally, remember all the people who wanted to trade Souray this past summer?

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#82 Shifty203
April 14 2009, 03:03PM
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@ Quinn:

Grity 20 goal scorer, and prospects/picks.

Sign Jbo, and Hossa.

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#83 Ogden Brother
April 14 2009, 03:04PM
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Oops...didn't see the "Pronger reprise" part... my bad

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#84 Archaeologuy
April 14 2009, 03:04PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: I agree. Not to mention this time around the club wont be so quick to pull the trigger. If Souray gets moved out of town he could possibly help land us a much higher draft pick or a young star. I personally think he should stay, but in a worst case scenario I dont think the Oilers will feel as screwed as they were with Pronger.

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#85 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 03:04PM
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What happened in the last hour or so? All of the sudden Souray's "demanded" a trade? Are you guys serious?

*Jeez why doesn't anyone wanna play here*

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#86 HockeyBuff
April 14 2009, 03:17PM
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Over the last few years, the oilers have given away heart and soul players (ie Smyth, Reasoner, Torres, Glencross, and Stoll.) The have picked up soft players (ie Osullivan, Penner, Cole, Pitkanen). Teams used to really have to work to beat the hard working Oiler crew a couple of years ago and now they can be beat more easily. Need More HEART. A coaching change will not fix this.

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#87 Stevo
April 14 2009, 03:23PM
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Trading Souray would be a blessing in disguise. Stats aside, his inability to move his feet and the puck on the powerplay was a big reason it was so awful, plus he's injury prone. The Oil could get huge return for him right now and still have a very good young defence core. The Oilers so called "leadership core" needs to change. Trade Souray, Moreau, Staios and let the team move forward with the kids who actually want to be here. The Oilers have lost there way trying to be big spenders and making "big splashes" each off season. They need to build through the draft and with smart and astute UFA signings.

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#88 Reggie
April 14 2009, 03:24PM
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@ HockeyBuff: I have no idea how you can quickly lump O'Sullivan or Cole as being soft. Cole came back from a broken neck and plays a physical game. O'Sullivan has heaps of character as shown by his standing up to his old man with respect to the abuse. Writing him off as soft after a dozen or so games is silly.

And in case you hadn't noticed all of Stoll's last season in Edmonton he played on the outside and didn't engage much in the physical play. I haven't seen his play this year, but coming off the two concussions will change a player's style. Also, as far as soft goes, do you know that Gagner and Hemsky have more fights than the zero Stoll has in the NHL ?

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#89 RossCreek
April 14 2009, 03:24PM
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HockeyBuff wrote:

Over the last few years, the oilers have given away heart and soul players (ie Smyth, Reasoner, Torres, Glencross, and Stoll.) The have picked up soft players (ie Osullivan, Penner, Cole, Pitkanen). Teams used to really have to work to beat the hard working Oiler crew a couple of years ago and now they can be beat more easily. Need More HEART. A coaching change will not fix this.

Agreed.

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#90 Harlie
April 14 2009, 03:26PM
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Stevo wrote:

Trading Souray would be a blessing in disguise. Stats aside, his inability to move his feet and the puck on the powerplay was a big reason it was so awful, plus he’s injury prone.

Her played 81 games last year. How many games did Visnovsky play? Is Visnovsky now considered injury prone too?

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#91 topshelf
April 14 2009, 03:27PM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Ya if a decent deal was on the table, I wouldn’t be too upset to see Souray go. Though hard nosed Dmen haven’t been cheap lately: Re Orpik/Finger/Commodore and their 3-4 million dollar contracts

Don't forget his 23 goals, more than half of which were scored on the power play. Those stats are not easily replaced in my humble opinion.

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#92 topshelf
April 14 2009, 03:28PM
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@ topshelf: Should be aimed at Stevo

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#93 Harlie
April 14 2009, 03:32PM
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@ 442Junkie:

well said and I am in the same boat as you. Funny thing is that last May I was coming back from a weding in P.V Mexico and who is in the airport terminal...Pronger and his wifey. A few of the guys I was with wanted to play a joke on him or say something rude or stupid and I said let's just leave him alone. If I hadn't noticed him earlier and bumped into him I would have said good job while he was with us and good luck in the future. This is sports...not life and death.

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April 14 2009, 03:32PM
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HockeyBuff wrote:

Over the last few years, the oilers have given away heart and soul players (ie Smyth, Reasoner, Torres, Glencross, and Stoll.) The have picked up soft players (ie Osullivan, Penner, Cole, Pitkanen). Teams used to really have to work to beat the hard working Oiler crew a couple of years ago and now they can be beat more easily. Need More HEART. A coaching change will not fix this.

Not every team in the NHL has to play dump and chase and go bang bodies and grind down teams. Believe it or not, hockey games can by won by controlling the puck and passing the puck effectively. Which I believe is the type of hockey 2/3 of the Oilers roster wants to play and could be successful at.

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Perhaps one of the reasons Souray didn’t make himself available to reporters Monday is he didn’t want to address speculation that he’s asked Tambellini for a trade. Rumours Souray has asked to be dealt began several weeks ago and they’ve persisted since. To this point, neither Souray or anybody in the Oilers front office has gone on the record to put the talk to rest. Until that happens, and there’s a flat-out denial from one of the parties, this has legs.

Has anyone actually asked the Oilers' front office about this?

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#96 Robert......kats
April 14 2009, 03:33PM
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//text on//

souray is not going anywhere

//text off//

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#97 Jamie
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Rumours Souray has asked to be dealt began several weeks ago and they’ve persisted since.

Okay, so when was this? Before or after the Oilers went in the crapper for their last 10 games? What happened several weeks ago that would have pushed Souray over the edge, so to speak?

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#98 jeff
April 14 2009, 03:34PM
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If Souray wants to be traded, he waits until Tamb/Lowe find a trade that works for this team. If he doesn't want to play suspend him.

I really hope that MacT leaving will make players re-think about leaving and give it another chance.

So Smid, Souray and Rollie might not want to be here. Who else? Cole sure didn't seem to want to be here. Hemsky looks like he might be pissed off.

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#99 Archaeologuy
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Harlie wrote:

This is sports…not life and death

I wont stand for any kind of reason or balanced perspective!

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#100 jeff
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@ Quinn: Trade Souray for a defensive d-man or someone that could help us on the top 6 with grit.

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