Has Tambo eased Souray's fears?

Jason Gregor
April 16 2009 10:49AM

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Now that MacTavish is gone, the focus will switch to who replaces him and which players will not be part of the Tambellini era. Since being announced as GM last summer, Tambellini has been very bland. He was careful with his words, protective of his players and coaches and at times you needed to put a spoon under his nose to see if he was breathing. He showed no emotion until yesterday.

Tambellini opened his press conference with a five-minute statement that was thoughtful, well-planned, to the point and filled with raw emotion. I sat in the front row and saw a side of Tambellini we'd never seen since he landed in Edmonton.

After calmly telling a packed conference room that MacTavish wouldn’t be back, he quickly turned his focus to the players.

“One thing I want to make clear, is that because we are changing our coach and moving in a different direction this DOES NOT absolve the players from their performance, or lack there of. “Do we need to address some of our personnel? Obviously we do. When I think about the Oilers and what they represent and the things that are important to the Oilers, and why there has been success here at times lately, it’s because of a passion, because of a commitment, because of a sacrifice to do anything to win. That’s the part that was the hardest to compete against the Oilers. “People say that maybe we weren’t gritty enough as a team. I agree with that. Do we need to get stronger? Yes we do. The job now is to think about how much of that can we get from what we have now, make that assessment, and if we don’t have that internally then how do we acquire it. One thing I will not put up with is an unemotional game, where we can’t dictate the outcome of the game by energy. “We have some good pieces in place here. We have some good young players, and some good veterans, that hopefully want to be a part of this going forward. But I can tell you things are going to change as far as expectations and preparation from the player’s standpoint and from us (management) to get better for the next step.”

When Tambellini spoke these words and later about MacTavish, his voice and body language showed energy, fire, passion, and frankly a pissed-off attitude. It was refreshing. It was nice to see Tambellini show that finally he is the leader of the ship.

Make no mistake; yesterday it became clear to everyone that this is now his team. He will choose the coach. He will have a major say in which players stay, and who goes. And to me he challenged his veterans to get on board, but also accept that the young kids need to spread their wings and become more of a factor.

NHL experience behind the bench

Near the end of his presser, I asked Tambellini if the next coach needed previous NHL head coaching experience.

“Not necessarily, but he would have to be a special person that you are confident in to walk in the room and command the respect, and have the knowledge that you felt was ready to compete against NHL situations. I think there could be opportunities for some people to be able to do that.”

We have seen that occur recently with Brent Sutter, Bruce Boudreau, Todd Mclellan, Cory Clouston and Dan Bylsma, but I don’t see that happening here. Tambellini will want someone with previous NHL experience.

Pat Quinn, Marc Crawford, Peter Laviolette, Guy Carbonneau, Tom Renney and Bob Hartley are all available. From talking to some people within the organization I don’t think it is a must that Tambellini has a long, or short, standing relationship with his next head coach.

He knows what type of coach he is looking for.

“I have a good idea of the type of coach I’m looking for. It's going to be somebody that matches up with the type of play we want to see here. We want an aggressive type of play, an emotional team, a team that isn’t standing on their heels, we want a team to be proactive because we have people here with skill, and I want to see it.”

Cross Jacques Lemaire off the list.

The other previous six could all fit the mold. Quinn, Hartley and Crawford are all fiery behind the bench, and they coach an up-tempo style. They also like their teams to have an array of sheet disturbers who play with an edge.

MacTavish rarely liked his team to be in your face. Even when the Oilers outworked the opposition, they rarely imposed their will or initiated some tomfoolery. Most Oiler fans hated the Avs and Canucks when Hartley and Crawford were behind the bench because both teams had players who were hard to play against.

Outside of Souray, Stortini, Smid, Strudwick and Moreau at times, do the Oilers have any other players that intimidate or infuriate the opposition? You need forwards who will engage in a face wash, or give a cheap slash when the ref isn’t watching, or a cheap punch in a scrum.

Don’t tell me Detroit wins without those guys, because Holmstrom and Maltby are two of the most hated players in the league.

It is clear the Tambellini wants a coach who will bring a system that combines skill with speed, grit and most of all a willingness to dictate the flow of the game. The Oilers were consistently reactionary during MacTavish’s tenure and expect that to change next October.

Souray looking to leave?

Robin Brownlee first wrote that the rumours about Souray possibly asking for a trade might have some legs. Dan Barnes said on the TEAM 1260 that Souray had told him that this season was tough because he didn’t get to see his kids very often. I believe both of them, so I went fishing for more...

Souray didn’t outright ask for a trade. He stated to his agent that he was frustrated and disappointed with a few areas of the team. Losing was the main one. He had some concerns about the coaching. He missed his kids. A losing environment makes the little things seem bigger and it makes coming to the rink a chore at times.

But according to my source from within the locker room, Souray, through his agent, never demanded a trade. He just wanted his concerns noted. Mission accomplished.

His absence during the final media availability, the same day where his former coach was the hot topic, suggests Souray didn’t want to comment on it, similar to when MacTavish stated he wouldn’t discuss Dustin Penner anymore during his final presser on Monday. Was Souray as frustrated with his coach as the coach was with Penner? “No,” said my source.

But it is clear that coaching was one of his concerns, just not the main one.

Tambellini was asked if the any of the rumours about a player asking for a trade were true. One word, ‘No,” was his response. Of course, I wouldn’t have expected him to saying anything different.

But Tambellini’s comment regarding veterans who “hopefully want to be here,” suggests he heard some discontent. But according to my source it was not a blatant, “I want to be traded.”

A coaching change has given new hope for many here on the Nation, and you can bet that many players have the same renewed optimism. It's human nature. When a change is made you always believe it will lead to better things.

A new coach won’t make Souray miss his kids any less, and if his longing to see them becomes too much for him to handle, then it would be hard not to respect him for wanting out. But a new coach, a new system and some wins might make that separation easier to handle.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 Rob
April 16 2009, 11:24AM
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@ Sandra:

Pure speculation. If Garon is such a superstar and way better than Roli why isn't he a starter on a team after all his time in the league???

Deslaurier (love your spelling by the way, Dasjarlais, how do you even pronounce that???) didn't look like a starter at all in my opinion. Maybe in two of his games but the other were hit and miss.

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#52 Ogden Brother
April 16 2009, 11:26AM
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topshelf -- NNC wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: It’s time for people to suck it up and realize you don’t get 40 goals on the open market for 5.5 million. But he makes 7 that’s the problem isn’t it?

Vinny makes 10 for the next 7/8 years/Brier makes 8/Redden makes 8/Gomez and drury make 8/AO makes/Smyth made 7.25/Heatly made 10/Spezza made 8

Front loading is the new cap managment trick

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#53 jeff
April 16 2009, 11:27AM
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@ DonDon: Brodziak is young and has come a long way. Considering he just about went to Europe instead of signing that two year deal with us I think he has done well. How many young 4th liners win draws? Give him a couple years and a good teacher and I think he will do just fine.

Move Moreau and Staios and they better add some grit elsewhere.

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#54 AlBundy
April 16 2009, 11:27AM
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It was great to see Steve in action yesterday, now that's what you call a GM. It's going to be a wild summer full of entertain.

Go Steve Go

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#55 Ogden Brother
April 16 2009, 11:27AM
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@ 442Junkie: If those are our three shutdown guys, next year will be even worse.

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#56 Rob
April 16 2009, 11:29AM
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@ DonDon:

I kinda think Bodziak will be back. Its seemed like he was miss-used this year, in and out of the press box and never had the same line mates. If he is back I see him having a much better year next year.

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#57 The Towel Boy
April 16 2009, 11:36AM
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After reading Sandra butcher Deslaurier's name for the umpteenth time...I'm reminded of other posters that I used to roll my eyes at...deepoil comes to mind. Where'd that guy go?

For the record...I hope we don't lose Grebs. I'd rather have him over Gilbert. Watching Grebs walk the blue line on the power play is somewhat magical. Skates pretty good, for a goat.

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#58 Zamboni Driver
April 16 2009, 11:39AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

topshelf — NNC wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: It’s time for people to suck it up and realize you don’t get 40 goals on the open market for 5.5 million. But he makes 7 that’s the problem isn’t it? Vinny makes 10 for the next 7/8 years/Brier makes 8/Redden makes 8/Gomez and drury make 8/AO makes/Smyth made 7.25/Heatly made 10/Spezza made 8 Front loading is the new cap managment trick

If you are lumping the Oilers' faceoff specialist (and all his 'intangibles' in a category with these guys (other than Redden, who sucks)....you're completely off your rocker.

Next year, Katz has to write cheques to Shawn Godd@mn Horcoff, for seven million American dollars.

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#59 Rick
April 16 2009, 11:40AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Souray has more toughness in his five o’clock shadow than the other three combined, so he stays.

Isn't that why Souray would make the most sense though?

Paricularily considering his injury history I would think his 5 mil price tag is for the offence, which is repeated elsewhere.

If it's toughness their looking for they could probably get it for a fair bit cheaper and still have a decent balance to their blueline.

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#60 Homie
April 16 2009, 11:40AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Tough question regarding which one of the four offensive guys they will move. Souray has more toughness in his five o’clock shadow than the other three combined, so he stays. To me it is either Gilbert or Grebeshkov. They only move one if they get a legit top six. Not a guy coming off a bad year, not a guy with one year left on his contract, but a legitimate 23-27 goal scorer. Will be hard to find.

I think that Gilbert may have more market value due to his somewhat inflated point totals and would like to see him moved (probably as part of a package) if they can get a scorer in return. I think Grebs is already a superior defenseman and will only get better. After Lubo, he makes the best first pass on the Oiler blueline.

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#61 Hemmertime
April 16 2009, 11:41AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

I’d go so far to say that Penner was the only guy on the team that “underperformed vs his contract” by more then 500K.

I wouldnt mind doing away with Staios' 2.9. If you compare his stats to alot of other D men you could consider him overpaid by 500k. Even for the intangibles he brings to the table. That being said there are alot of worse D man contacts out there, counting em off on my Finger's makes me Redden the face. HA!

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#62 Jonathan Willis
April 16 2009, 11:46AM
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@ Zamboni Driver:

I'd take Horcoff on my team any day of the week over Briere, and it isn't even close.

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#63 Jonathan Willis
April 16 2009, 11:46AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I wouldnt mind doing away with Staios’ 2.9. If you compare his stats to alot of other D men you could consider him overpaid by 500k. Even for the intangibles he brings to the table. That being said there are alot of worse D man contacts out there, counting em off on my Finger’s makes me Redden the face. HA!

Seconded.

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#64 buffalo farmer
April 16 2009, 11:48AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Many have stated that the Oilers PP stunk after he left…Not true. With Visnovsky they were 38 for 221 for 17.2% Without him they went….22 for 133 for 16.5% A small dip, but not a major drop off.

The problem with the pp was not who was playing, but the unimaginative style that was never altered from. 2 d men at the point that never moved, pass down to Hemsky, who passed back to d who looked at no lanes to shoot and passed back to Hemsky! fatass sat in front and horcoff floated near the far boards. Every single game from 1 to 82! Hopefully the next coach will try to allow some creativity on the pp and open some shooting lanes!

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#65 baggedmilk
April 16 2009, 11:58AM
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Rick wrote:

Isn’t that why Souray would make the most sense though? Paricularily considering his injury history I would think his 5 mil price tag is for the offence, which is repeated elsewhere. If it’s toughness their looking for they could probably get it for a fair bit cheaper and still have a decent balance to their blueline.

I want to know who you have in mind for these other defensemen? Without Souray on that blueline, the defensive core could be knocked off the puck with a sneeze.

What is with Oiler fans, where a guy has a good year, lives up to his contract and people want him gone. You're forgetting the intangibles that Souray brings... Leadership, a legitimate league star on our team, and potential to use that star power to attract other UFAs.

May as well throw Hemsky on your trade block as well... He has value right now too right?

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#66 Scott
April 16 2009, 12:06PM
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@ Gregor

I enjoyed the little jab you took at Jaques Lemaire. That man should be banned from the NHL forever!!!!

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#67 baggedmilk
April 16 2009, 12:07PM
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Scott wrote:

@ Gregor I enjoyed the little jab you took at Jaques Lemaire. That man should be banned from the NHL forever!!!!

Watch him become the next coach of the Habs, and I laugh all season as he has Kovalev playing the trap.

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#68 topshelf
April 16 2009, 12:08PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I’d take Horcoff on my team any day of the week over Briere, and it isn’t even close

Me too, but for 7 million we need some points put on the score sheet. He gets a fresh start this year, hopefully he makes good use of it.

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#69 Archaeologuy
April 16 2009, 12:10PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

@ Zamboni Driver: I’d take Horcoff on my team any day of the week over Briere, and it isn’t even close.

Is there a reason behind that? Because on any other team in the NHL Horc would be on the 2nd line, so you could have your cake and eat it too. Also, a few more years with Horc as his Centre and Hemsky is going to be pretty sick of E-town. He'll demand a trade, leave, and now nobody will come here because we dont even have 1 high end player. Even with Briere's groin problems, if he only plays in 3 games a season he should outscore Horc. Briere's also led his teams into the playoffs with more regularity than Horc. AND his faceoff % isnt emberassing (That is Horc's specialty and he clearly wins on that front)

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#70 Harlie
April 16 2009, 12:10PM
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why does everyone worry about top end guys leaving here after a year? Or what big money free agents think about Edmonton or our team? It all boils down to money and how many teams are offering it. Odds are that even if the stud doesn't like our team or our city he will like his paycheck. And that is clearly enough for most players.

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#71 Hemmertime
April 16 2009, 12:11PM
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A note about Penner. Let me start by saying yes, he is lazy, and if he worked as hard on the ice as Souray does on his hair he would be a legitimate top 6. However, I give Lowe a pass on that. Compare Penner and Torres contracts. The numbers look drastically different when shown as 2.25 million and 4.25. But in terms of cap that is only 3.5% more. Would you give 3% more cap space to a potential first line or 2nd line LW who just had 84 pts 2 years before in AHL, and then nearly 30 goals in his first full season? I would. Plus that extra had to be given to pry him loose as RFA. His contract is high, but Id take a 4 million Penner over 2.25 million Raffi Torres on our first line anyday

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#72 Ogden Brother
April 16 2009, 12:12PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: topshelf — NNC wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: It’s time for people to suck it up and realize you don’t get 40 goals on the open market for 5.5 million. But he makes 7 that’s the problem isn’t it? Vinny makes 10 for the next 7/8 years/Brier makes 8/Redden makes 8/Gomez and drury make 8/AO makes/Smyth made 7.25/Heatly made 10/Spezza made 8 Front loading is the new cap managment trick If you are lumping the Oilers’ faceoff specialist (and all his ‘intangibles’ in a category with these guys (other than Redden, who sucks)….you’re completely off your rocker. Next year, Katz has to write cheques to Shawn Godd@mn Horcoff, for seven million American dollars.

*Slaps forehead*

The point is teams do this .... on purpose.... it's a benifit to them and the team.

If his deal was structured to make 10 the first year and 1 the last year (still coming out with a 5.4 cap hit) do you think people would complain less or more about it?

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#73 Ogden Brother
April 16 2009, 12:15PM
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@ Ogden Brother:

*benifit to the player and the team*

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#74 topshelf
April 16 2009, 12:17PM
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@ Ogden Brother: The cap hit argument is a farce. The fact is he will be making 7 million dollars next year. How many 7 million dollar first line centers had under 20 goals this year?

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#75 Wanger
April 16 2009, 12:20PM
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Is there any way we can have a moratorium on the following hockey buzzwords:

Stud - when used in reference to a defenceman; I get why people are using the word, but it sounds really, really silly. Stop it. "Oooh what a big stud! He can ride my pine all night long! I bet he has those retarded bull nuts hanging from the back of his truck too! What a stud!"

Silks - I get that jersey's at one point in time may have been made from silk (or maybe they still are; I don't really care). It sounds dumb. Call it a jersey - that's what they are. "F*ckin Oilers eh. These boys need to git 'r done when they put on those silks. Now gimme another pilsner to shotgun, eh!"

Does anyone else love how words get really popular for a few months? This year I noticed "sandpaper" and "run-support" got thrown around a lot.

Thank you and goodnight. Sorry for the interlude, it's just that time of day.

Gregor, please blog more (seriously).

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#76 Victoria
April 16 2009, 12:22PM
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Sandra wrote:

One great thing about MacT’s firing is that Roli will not be back! If Desjarlais or Garon where given the chances that he was given by MacT, then they would have excelled too.

Sandra, why do you constantly spell Deslaurier's name wrong? People have commented on it and you just keep ignoring them. It's weird.

Oh and Garon sucks. Get over it.

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#77 OilW30
April 16 2009, 12:23PM
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But why was Souray frustrated with the coaching? What aspects of MacT's style did he have trouble accepting? Was it that he thought MacT wasn't putting a good system together? Was it his treatment of certain players?

I noticed in several games that Souray would get the puck in his own end and just carry it up himself, especially when the passes weren't working. Was this frustration with the system that was in place? Or was it frustration with the ineptitude of his teammates? Or both? Or neither?

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#78 Jason Gregor
April 16 2009, 12:26PM
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Rob wrote:

Gregor, doesn’t Lubo have a no movement clause in his contract?? He also expressed that he liked it here as well. Not that he wouldn’t waive the clause if we asked him to go back to L.A. but just saying. I would think Gilbert would be the one moved, someone on here said “trade him before anyone knows how soft he is”.

The no trade clause just protects guys from getting moved to a place they don't want to go. I know Sundin, Tucker and McCabe screwed over the Leafs late last year in not agreeing to waive it, and now they are all gone.

But most times if a team really doesn't want a guy, he will agree to be moved, but he at least has a say in where he goes. I still don't see them moving Lubo right now.

Souray has one year left on his no movement clause as well. The final two years of his deal the clause is not valid.

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#79 Jonathan Willis
April 16 2009, 12:26PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Is there a reason behind that? Because on any other team in the NHL Horc would be on the 2nd line, so you could have your cake and eat it too.

Not true.

Also, a few more years with Horc as his Centre and Hemsky is going to be pretty sick of E-town. He’ll demand a trade, leave, and now nobody will come here because we dont even have 1 high end player.

Hemsky and Horcoff seem pretty tight, based on public reports. Maybe Gregor or Brownlee could chip in on this?

Even with Briere’s groin problems, if he only plays in 3 games a season he should outscore Horc. Briere’s also led his teams into the playoffs with more regularity than Horc. AND his faceoff % isnt emberassing (That is Horc’s specialty and he clearly wins on that front)

Briere's tiny, doesn't battle, and has no defensive game to speak of. He's injury prone, to boot. In his last full season, he put up 72 points (second best total of his career, btw) and led his team in negative plus/minus, at -22. The next closest Flyer was -12. Not only that, he did it while playing sheltered competition.

He's not half the player Horcoff is.

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#80 Harlie
April 16 2009, 12:26PM
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Wanger wrote:

Is there any way we can have a moratorium on the following hockey buzzwords: Does anyone else love how words get really popular for a few months? This year I noticed “sandpaper” and “run-support” got thrown around a lot.

Can you add "relieved" to your list?

"No, man! I wasn't fired from my job, I wasn't laid off and didn't quite either, I was relieved!"

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#81 Jonathan Willis
April 16 2009, 12:27PM
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topshelf wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: The cap hit argument is a farce. The fact is he will be making 7 million dollars next year. How many 7 million dollar first line centers had under 20 goals this year?

So at the end of his contract, will you be referencing the rather unimportant 3MM in actual salary, or the much more important to team-building 5.5MM? I know I'll be referencing the latter, and I think you will be too.

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#82 West Coast Oil
April 16 2009, 12:28PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Rick wrote: Isn’t that why Souray would make the most sense though? Paricularily considering his injury history I would think his 5 mil price tag is for the offence, which is repeated elsewhere. If it’s toughness their looking for they could probably get it for a fair bit cheaper and still have a decent balance to their blueline. I want to know who you have in mind for these other defensemen? Without Souray on that blueline, the defensive core could be knocked off the puck with a sneeze. What is with Oiler fans, where a guy has a good year, lives up to his contract and people want him gone. You’re forgetting the intangibles that Souray brings… Leadership, a legitimate league star on our team, and potential to use that star power to attract other UFAs. May as well throw Hemsky on your trade block as well… He has value right now too right?

Preach to the masses!! That also bugs the hell out of me how people complain about not getting star players and when we do they all start talking about trading them. "He has been here 5 days and he sucks trade him", "he is playing really well now so trade him for this other guy who may not work out as well so we can talk about trading him!" just amazing.. some people you just cannot make happy...

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#83 Rick
April 16 2009, 12:32PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

What is with Oiler fans, where a guy has a good year, lives up to his contract and people want him gone.

All 4 of the guys mentioned had good offensive years so are you objecting to moving a guy in general or Souray specifically?

Souray is the worst puck mover out of the bunch and the second highest paid blueliner. His offence this year, as impressive as it was, seemed in large part due to the Oilers having a horrible 1 trick PP and a predictable offence.

Does he repeat those numbers if (it better be when) the new coach impliments some variety and creativity to the system?

I have nothing against Souray but there are more than a few reasons that he needs to be considered. As I said the toughness should be replaceable with a solid stay at home guy who makes half as much.

Asking who that would be is at this point up to Tambellini to flush out.

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#84 socaldave
April 16 2009, 12:37PM
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I really don't see why everyone says Souray is "injury-prone". It might seem like it, but look at his career numbers (exluding the lockout season when he played in Sweden) and he averages 61 games a year. Not great, but IMO not overly worrisome.

Take it a step further and exclude last year's fluke/tragedy and he averages 66 games a year. It should also be noted that 2 out of the last 3 years he's played 80+ games.

Injury prone should not be used to describe The Big Sexy.

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#85 baggedmilk
April 16 2009, 12:43PM
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Rick wrote:

All 4 of the guys mentioned had good offensive years so are you objecting to moving a guy in general or Souray specifically? Souray is the worst puck mover out of the bunch and the second highest paid blueliner. His offence this year, as impressive as it was, seemed in large part due to the Oilers having a horrible 1 trick PP and a predictable offence. Does he repeat those numbers if (it better be when) the new coach impliments some variety and creativity to the system? I have nothing against Souray but there are more than a few reasons that he needs to be considered. As I said the toughness should be replaceable with a solid stay at home guy who makes half as much. Asking who that would be is at this point up to Tambellini to flush out.

Souray is the worst of the bunch? You've watched Staios try and break out right?

If you want to talk about the powerplay, Souray did it in Montreal 2 years ago as well. The dude has a cannon back there, and would NEVER be left out of a powerplay system. I would argue that he would have produced even more if the Oilers had other threats on the PP aside from him.

If you're talking about his cap hit of $5.4 then look at his linemate. Is Souray at $5.4 with 50+ points not worth the money when Staios at $2.9 and 14 points? Souray was also +1 playing the tough minutes whereas Staios was -5.

Souray brings way more to the table at 5.4 per than others on this team. His contract, nor play is a problem on this hockey team. If anything, he's a bright spot.

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#86 topshelf
April 16 2009, 12:44PM
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@ Jonathan Willis: The number that will matter to me wil be the 3 million. The number that will matter to Tambellini will be the 5.5. He's going to have to take that issue up with Kevin Lowe not me.

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#87 Rick
April 16 2009, 12:47PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Souray is the worst of the bunch? You’ve watched Staios try and break out right?

What does Staios have to do with moving one of the 4 puck movers?

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@ Jonathan Willis: Jonathan all I'm trying to say is, regardless of my opinion of his contract, that Horcoff needs to produce more points for this team. I believe next season will be the make or break season for him. I hope he does well because I like him as a hockey player.

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#89 baggedmilk
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Rick wrote:

baggedmilk wrote: Souray is the worst of the bunch? You’ve watched Staios try and break out right? What does Staios have to do with moving one of the 4 puck movers?

You were talking about cap hits in your post as well. So I had to include Staios in the conversation.

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April 16 2009, 12:54PM
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@ Rick: Souray is both tough (worth $1.5 million) and offensive minded scoring from his great point shot (worth $4 million =174k per goal or 23 goals). His loyalty and leadership by sticking up for his team mates (worth $1 million). Total worth is $ 6.5 million. His biggest knock is perhaps he is not as mobile.

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April 16 2009, 12:59PM
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You were talking about cap hits in your post as well. So I had to include Staios in the conversation.

Fine get rid of Staios, it still doesn't solve the cap issue with the top 4 so who is it going to be?

One of the two cheaper younger guys or one of the two more expensive older guys?

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baggedmilk wrote:

Souray brings way more to the table at 5.4 per than others on this team. His contract, nor play is a problem on this hockey team. If anything, he’s a bright spot.

I think that Souray also plays the game the right way and he is a great influence for our younger players.

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Rick wrote:

Fine get rid of Staios, it still doesn’t solve the cap issue with the top 4 so who is it going to be? One of the two cheaper younger guys or one of the two more expensive older guys?

Chances are I see Gilbert being the odd man out. Even though I kind of like him, he's 10 shades of soft. At least Grebs will toss a hit out there.

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#94 Jonathan Willis
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The biggest knock on Souray, who had probably the best year of his career this past season, is the question of whether he can do it again.

If I could be sure he'd deliver every year what he did this year, I'd never even consider trading him.

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#95 BarryS
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A little context would be nice once and a while with all this number throwing around stuff. Contracts are made on current conditions, past preformance,the desire to keep the player here and the hope the players performance will continue at the same level or higher. Over all this hangs the events of the day, players leaving for more money, wives not wanting to live here, former managements not wanting to pay the going rate and proving to the fans a new order is coming and money will be spent. The problem is all of the above represents the past, and the future is not constrained by the wishes of anybody. Anybody who tells you they "knew" before had what today would be like is lying through their teeth. Horcoff may be overpaid next year, but until April 16th 2010 arrives, if it does, and comparisions can be made to all the other centres, no one will know for sure.

On a related note, ,any people are only content when they are unhappy, that is happy when they are unhappy.

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#96 BarryS
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Correction

On a related note, many people are only content when they are unhappy, that is happy when they are unhappy.

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#97 Greg MC
April 16 2009, 01:08PM
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Too much money spent on D. Move Souray, keep Lubo.

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topshelf wrote:

@ Jonathan Willis: The number that will matter to me wil be the 3 million. The number that will matter to Tambellini will be the 5.5. He’s going to have to take that issue up with Kevin Lowe not me.

I agree with this entirely...PLUS, at 3 million maybe....MAYBE you have a chance to trade him.

So the Oiler will pay out the huge dough at the beginning, then someone else will pay out the rest when the cost comes down.

A GM might look at the 5.5 and say, okay that cap hit is not too bad (it's still horrid, but not grotesque) - the owner, aka Dude who pays the bills says 'SEVEN FRICKING MILLION??? IGINLA MONEY for that guy.....'

Said owner also probably says "Who the F- is Shawn Horcoff?" too, btw.

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#99 Big Deal
April 16 2009, 01:09PM
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The problem the Oilers and Oilers fans have is the constant talk of who will be on the 3rd and 4th line. Who cares???? Put Crusty the Clown out there with Don Cherry, I don’t care nor should anyone else. The Oilers top 6 forwards are simply not good enough, don’t score enough or don’t care enough. That’s the problem. Throw potential out the window and show some results already or get someone who can produce results. The Oilers, players and management alike, need to get better or they will be in the same situation next year and the year after. Stop talking about it and do something. Having MacTavish fall on the sword is only one step in a 100 meter race…..

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#100 Zamboni Driver
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A GM today....I should say.

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