The Oilers Next Head Coach: Names Being Floated

Jonathan Willis
April 17 2009 10:51AM

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I’ve discussed the list of possibilities before, and I’ve repeatedly stated that I think the Oilers next head coach will be one of four people: New Jersey head coach Brent Sutter (in the unlikely event that he’s available), Manitoba Moose head coach Scott Arniel, Detroit assistant coach Paul MacLean, or Montreal assistant coach Don Lever. Still, that’s just my list, and I’ve certainly overlooked at least one name (more on that below). Let’s take a look at which names the print media is dropping.

Robert Tychowski doesn’t go so far as to list who he thinks will get the job, but based on Tambellini’s press conference he has some ideas:

The list of coaches out there who like tough, offensive-minded teams is long, from Bob Hartley to Pat Quinn to Marc Crawford, but Tambellini says he's in no rush to name MacTavish's successor.

Two of the candidates from that list make it over to the one that Jim Matheson offered up today. He tossed out a few additional names as well:

Perhaps New Jersey Devils coach Brent Sutter, or San Jose Sharks assistant coach Todd Richards. Or Scott Arniel, the AHL coach of the year (Manitoba Moose).

After offering those names, though, Matheson turned back to the two candidates who have the most history with Steve Tambellini: Crawford and Quinn. Quinn’s comments are quite extensive, but Matheson mentions that Quinn may be a candidate for the G.M. job in Minnesota; if he is being seriously considered I doubt he’d jump at the Edmonton job (and for the record, I think the Wild could do much worse than Quinn in that position).

Crawford’s comments are much less equivocal:

"I'm interested in the job," said Crawford, who saw the Oilers an awful lot this season doing colour commentary on late Hockey Night in Canada games. "But I'm not the only guy who knows Steve Tambellini. I'm sure he'll take a strong look at a lot of candidates. Hopefully I get a chance to get in and let him know how I feel. "It's going to be a job that a lot of people covet. I don't have pre- conceived notions. I know the people there will put two and two together. I know Steve will be very thorough," said Crawford.

Matheson mentioned Todd Richards, a man whose name also appears in Dan Barnes excellent column today:

We wait for Tambellini to build a list of coaching candidates, whittle it down and choose a successor. I think he will be youngish, from outside the Oilers' organization, he will favour aggressiveness and offence over defence, have particular acumen for plotting a potent power play and he will have professional head coaching experience though not necessarily at the NHL level. I think San Jose assistant coach Todd Richards will be just such a candidate in due course.

Richards was on my long list the other day; he failed to make the short list simply because he’s only had one season of NHL experience and two seasons as a head coach in the AHL so I thought he might not be seasoned enough to get serious consideration for an NHL job. Still, what he’s done in a short time is impressive, and also working in his favour is the fact that the Oilers organization has some familiarity with him; he was the coach of Wilkes-Barre Scranton in 2006-07, meaning that he had many current Oilers playing for him, including Gilbert, Brodziak, Nilsson and others. By all accounts he was an extremely professional AHL coach, and it may very well be that he’s on the Oilers’ short list.

Finally, Sun Media’s Ken Wiebe focused on Scott Arniel:

While most pundits assume that means either Pat Quinn (who gave Tambellini his first job with the Vancouver Canucks) or Marc Crawford (a former Stanley Cup winner who also coached the Canucks) would be the likely successor, don't rule out Manitoba Moose head coach Scott Arniel to at least get an interview and possibly be a dark-horse candidate.

Arniel quite properly refused to discuss the possibility with Wiebe, as he’s still coaching the Manitoba Moose in the AHL playoffs, but his contract does expire at the end of this season, and he has expressed a desire to coach at the NHL level before. His players (unsurprisingly) sang his praises, with Jason Krog being the most effusive:

"There's a lot of great things that he does. He's great at preparing us, he's good at adjusting and he's good at recognizing guys strengths and weaknesses. And he's a good motivator. He knows when to get on us and when to take it easy on us. All around, he's pretty solid and he's finally getting the recognition that he deserves."

As good as some of the available ex-NHL coaches are (aside from the three mentioned above, Jacques Lemaire and Tom Renney come to mind), I think that Dan Barnes’ take on the profile of the successful candidate is probably accurate: a young coach who favours an up-tempo style and can coach special teams, who will have experience in the NHL and as a head coach, but quite probably not as an NHL head coach.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 The Menace
April 17 2009, 05:06PM
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Victoria wrote:

I don’t know what’s worse: “Rolofson” or “Desjarlies”

well done

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#52 yo
April 17 2009, 05:31PM
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Whoever the new coach is I am confident he will be selected on his demonstrated ability. The next Oiler hires in all departments will not be hired solely on the buddy system.

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#53 Jonathan Willis
April 17 2009, 05:55PM
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sns2 wrote:

Why all the vitriol toward Crawford?

At a guess, it's a combination of the Bertuzzi thing and the lousy job he's done as a colour guy on CBC. Although even before the Bertuzzi thing he wasn't exactly the classiest coach in the league.

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#54 The Pestival
April 17 2009, 06:27PM
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Oh god it better not be Crawford. I'm already getting flack from my buddies bugging me about him being the next coach.

Quinn is the best option IMHO. I've been praying to sweet baby jesus since the Juniors to have Quinn as our coach.

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#55 Jon K
April 17 2009, 07:12PM
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I really don't understand the desire to have Quinn behind the bench.

The man did nothing for a decade when Toronto was outspending 80% of the league in salary. Plus I doubt that he'd come to Edmonton purely on the basis that we would likely not be willing to match the salary he had in Toronto which was supposedly upward of 3 million per season.

I don't really see him as being a modern coach either in the sense of having a sound tactical or systems technique, which I think has become fairly important in the NHL.

Sutter or Crawford would both likely be superior choices.

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#56 R-DAWG
April 17 2009, 07:25PM
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@ Jon K: Sorry dude,Brent will be coaching in Cowtown next year with out a doubt. And Crawford??? I hope not...the more he's coached in the NHL the more he's lost!! I'd like to see a relatively unknown come in...not to say it will work as good as it has in San Jose but a totally fresh approach may be what is needed??

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#57 RossCreek
April 17 2009, 07:40PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Further to my Sutter guess, this from Eric Duhatschek: “Others have connected these dots before, but there is a compelling logic to the idea that Brent Sutter could be the next Edmonton Oilers’ coach. Sutter has freely stated that he will evaluate his future with the New Jersey Devils following the season and has made no secret of the fact that he misses life in Alberta, where he owns the junior team in Red Deer, and has his roots. The Oilers are the NHL team closest to Viking, his hometown, and Red Deer, where he lives in the off-season.”

I just refuse to believe he's an option here. I can't see it. I could be wrong, but if he leaves the Devils, he's got 2 options from where I sit: a) go to Calgary to replace Keenan IF he's removed OR b) go back to Red Deer and tidy up for a year until Keenan is gone in Calgary. I really don't think he'd consider Edmonton. Not with the job certain to open up in Calgary within a year (2 tops). Keenan's shelf life isn't long as it is, and I suspect changes will be made if the Flames bow out in round 1. Maybe I'm way off... but I just can't see it... no matter who says it. Perry Pearn doesn't seem to be getting any "real" consideration yet. Will that change, or is he not a consideration at all? I've been trumpeting him & Habschied to my mega-oiler-fan buddies for over a year now, and like I've said before, been riding the Arniel bandwagon for the last month or so. And I like Geoff Ward as a "darkhorse" so to speak (if he qualifies as that). Of course, Alain Vigneault or Randy Carlyle would be suitable candidates in the event either loses in the 1st round and then loses their current gig (probably unlikely). Ken Hitchcock too (even less likely he becomes available... unless Howson has a hard-on for MacT).

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#58 Jon K
April 17 2009, 07:48PM
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@ R-DAWG:

That's funny because I could have sworn Calgary still had a coach. And was in the playoffs.

Until Calgary at least has an opening I think it's premature to say that Brent Sutter is a lock to coach there.

Regarding Crawford his career record is 987 games, 470 wins, 361 losses, 100 ties, and 52 overtime losses. That turns out to a win percentage of 0.530, despite coaching two seasons behind terrible LA teams.

He might not be popular because of his history in Vancouver but there's no denying that he's an experienced NHL coach who deserves at least some consideration.

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#59 socaldave - NFMC!
April 17 2009, 08:13PM
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~bracing for Crawford on CHED in a few minutes~

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#60 RossCreek
April 17 2009, 09:30PM
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socaldave - NFMC! wrote:

That’s funny because I could have sworn Calgary still had a coach. And was in the playoffs. Until Calgary at least has an opening I think it’s premature to say that Brent Sutter is a lock to coach there.

Some coaches WAIT for the right situation and don't just jump at the next available job. Just because Calgary currently has a coach and are in the playoffs, does not mean that Brent wouldn't wait for that job to become available. Be it this summer or next. Darryl Sutter probably has 1 (maybe 2) hires left.

I don't see him in danger of losing his job any time too soon, but if the Keenan experiment ends without a ring, he'll likely want to hire a coach that he trusts enough to ensure his own job doesn't become jeopordized. Who better then your own blood. Brent knows this. He could've came to Calgary instead of Keenan 2 years ago.

But "the plan" was to go get some head coaching experience for a few years in a low pressure environment (media-wise), have the Flames bring in "the taskmaster" in Keenan (a short-term fix after Jim Playfair) to shock his club into winning. And if that failed? Bring in Brent to stabilize the franchise with a long-term coach who, at that time, would already have a few years under his belt making it a lot easier to face the pressures of coaching in a Canadian city without being a rookie head coach.

Call it a master plan, call it a conspiracy, call it a load of BS, but Brent Sutter will NOT be in Edmonton (no matter who says it OR how many times I hear his name brought up in the MSM).

If Brent Sutter isn't coaching the Flames next year, he will be the following year.

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#61 RossCreek
April 17 2009, 09:33PM
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And the Flames will be giving the Devils a draft choice or player rights as compensation to do so.

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#62 Phil
April 17 2009, 10:18PM
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Jon K wrote:

@ R-DAWG: That’s funny because I could have sworn Calgary still had a coach. And was in the playoffs.

Anything less than a trip to the 2nd round... more like the WCF's actually... and Iron Mike is gone as far as I'm concerned. The second it's evident that Brent is available, big brother Daryl gonna swoop down and snap up his brother, bring him to Calgary in a heartbeat.

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#63 esa tikkanen
April 17 2009, 10:22PM
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How come nobody is talking about Brian Sutter? He coached a much worse flames team in the late 90's that almost took a playoff spot from the Oilers a few times with half of the talent. He is volunteering with Bentley right now in the Allan Cup and I am sure would be 99% as good as his brother. He coached Chicago in 2002 and was runner up for the Jack Adams trophy.

If Brent is a no, why not consider Brian if we want a gritty aggressive team?

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#64 Smokin' Ray - NNC
April 17 2009, 10:32PM
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Please no Crawford. Please... *fingers crossed*

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#65 yo
April 17 2009, 10:38PM
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Thank goodness Tambo is picking the coach...not you dudes.

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#66 Smokin' Ray - NNC
April 17 2009, 10:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I wonder if Crawford will still be looking for a dinner date with the low-life media when he no longer is one of them?

That's funny. That story still makes me laugh.

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#67 kingsblade
April 17 2009, 11:32PM
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I don't understand all the confidence some people have that Sutter will end up in Calgary. He HAD his chance to go to Calgary. It was all anybody in Calgary talked about last time, and everyone was shocked when it was Keenan instead.

What ties does he have to the Flames other than his brothers? Why would his brothers automatically be certain motivation to take the job? If it was why didn't he take the job last time?

There is absolutely no evidence that he would have any preference to coach the Flames than the Oilers except for his brothers, and that evidence could just as easily point to his going to Edmonton instead, given the families closer ties to the city of Edmonton than Calgary. Hell they could probably make a place for Brian and Rich there on the staff if he is so desperate to work with his family, then both sides of the battle of Alberta can have 3 Sutters. Would that do the trick?

He didn't go to Calgary last time so what's different now?

I'm not saying he is going to end up either place, but I love the idea of him as a candidate, and if he were to become available I think every reasonable effort should be made to get him. Second round draft pick? Hell they spent one on Kotalik, so why not for Sutter?

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#68 kingsblade
April 17 2009, 11:35PM
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esa tikkanen wrote:

How come nobody is talking about Brian Sutter? He coached a much worse flames team in the late 90’s that almost took a playoff spot from the Oilers a few times with half of the talent. He is volunteering with Bentley right now in the Allan Cup and I am sure would be 99% as good as his brother. He coached Chicago in 2002 and was runner up for the Jack Adams trophy. If Brent is a no, why not consider Brian if we want a gritty aggressive team?

Brian no longer wants to put in the time to coach full time. It is the main reason why he is no longer coaching the Rebels.

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#69 RossCreek
April 17 2009, 11:45PM
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@ kingsblade: RossCreek wrote:

But “the plan” was to go get some head coaching experience for a few years in a low pressure environment (media-wise), have the Flames bring in “the taskmaster” in Keenan (a short-term fix after Jim Playfair) to shock his club into winning. And if that failed? Bring in Brent to stabilize the franchise with a long-term coach who, at that time, would already have a few years under his belt making it a lot easier to face the pressures of coaching in a Canadian city without being a rookie head coach.

DUANE SUTTER is the Flames Director of Player Personnel RON SUTTER is the Flames Western Pro Scout

If the Flames lose out, they fire Keenan. That would make for a 4th coach in 5 years in Calgary and Darryl might begin to see a kink in his armour. I don't believe he'd be in jeapordy to lose his job or anything, but he'll want to be damn sure his next hire lasts longer than a year or two. When your own job could be on the line, who better to trust than your own brother, especially when you know he's one hell of a coach.

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#70 alon
April 18 2009, 12:43AM
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@ RossCreek:

I would highly doubt that if the Flames don't fire Keenan after this year, Sutter resigns and then refuses the Edmonton job that he would wait for Calgary.

The Rebels are one heck of a mess, this isn't a one year clean up, and if that's Brent's reason for coming back then that's where he will stay. I see no reason for him to want to leave the mess half cleaned up after one year to coach for his brother, especially when he knows he can get an NHL job in a second.

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#71 Dennis
April 18 2009, 08:10AM
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Scott wrote:

Dennis wrote: I’d like to see him thrown in the mix because there’s been lots of good things said about the guy and he was a big fan of Pouliot during his rookie pro season in ‘06 at Ham. Pouliot is nothing but a distant memory at this point IMO.

You're probably right, Chris. I wasn't saying that anything should be done on the basis of saving 78's career with the Oil, mind you, but I was pointing to the fact that the kid would have the coach in his corner if Lever's indeed the new guy.

I never felt that was the case with MacT and 78 and that Pouliot was kept around because he was a Lowe guy. I know I spend a lot of time talking about the guy, BTW, but I like his contract for a top niner and that's important when you're paying guys like Moreau to be one of the worst PKers in the league and to stab coaches in the back:)

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#72 Rob
April 18 2009, 08:38AM
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kingsblade wrote:

esa tikkanen wrote: How come nobody is talking about Brian Sutter? He coached a much worse flames team in the late 90’s that almost took a playoff spot from the Oilers a few times with half of the talent. He is volunteering with Bentley right now in the Allan Cup and I am sure would be 99% as good as his brother. He coached Chicago in 2002 and was runner up for the Jack Adams trophy. If Brent is a no, why not consider Brian if we want a gritty aggressive team? Brian no longer wants to put in the time to coach full time. It is the main reason why he is no longer coaching the Rebels.

yeah instead he's coaching the Bentley Generals to the Allen Cup final today!!! I think the reason he stepped down in Red Deer was Brent wanted Jesse Wallin as the long term coach from the start, and brought Brian in to mentor him for a season. Also if Brents NHL career didn't pan out that first year he could step right back behind the Rebs bench, as Brian would then go back to Bentley. He did an interview with The Red Deer Advocate that year, saying he'd still like to coach in the NHL. But that he wasn't going to make it his goal, as he was content looking after his farm.

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#73 Emu
April 18 2009, 08:52AM
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Since the Rob Niedermeyer effect is apparently the most irresistable force in Hockey maybe we should revise our collective short lists.

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#74 DonDon
April 18 2009, 08:55AM
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Brian Sutter's NHL coaching career ended badly in Calgary and Chicago. In fairness to him, both franchises were in disrepair at that time. My sense is that coaching in the NHL is now beyond Brian's capability; the game has moved on and Brian hasn't. Also don't think he is a developer of young players and, like Pat Quinn, would rely heavily on veterans. This wouldn't work in Edmonton. His bedside manner with the media was definitely not positive, but then again, neither is Darryl's.

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#75 RossCreek
April 18 2009, 08:58AM
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@ alon: I don't follow the rebels all that closely, but what exactly is "the mess"? Its junior hockey - its cyclical. You win for a few years & then spend a few years in the crapper & then win for a few years. Perhaps I'm missing something? Even if he were to return to the Rebels, is it a lock that he'll coach? Or is it possible he'll take care of the GM duties & business side of things and leave the coaching to someone else (I don't know, thats why I'm asking)?

All I'm saying is there are 3 Sutter's already in the Flames organization. Its a family affair. If Keenan ends up out, it makes sense on all parts to expect to see Brent with the Flames. You said it yourself - he could get just about any job he wanted - so why would he have to jump at any? He's put in a couple years, got NHL experience, and is now ready to step in to the pressure cooker that is a Canadian city. And if the Flames are bounced in round 1, there will be pressure. Darryl's not going to make a mistake and hire another Jim Playfair. There is 1 man for the job and thats his brother.

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#76 Chris
April 18 2009, 10:50AM
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@ Dennis:

I've written before that I think Don lever is a quality candidate who won't become Head Coach in Montreal thanks to the language thing. (Montreal's organizational marriage to all things French has to be more constricting and permanent than the Oilers "old boys club" nepotism...)

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#77 Brent Natchez
April 18 2009, 11:30AM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Peterson doesn't have cancer. Everyone acts as though Parkinson's is a death sentence and Peterson is "buying his time." Have you ever seen the man on camera or in person. He is as lively as when he played. Medications can control Parkinson symptoms but it shouldn't make you any less of a coach if that is what you love to do and that is what you do well at. look at his career. He his highly experience and his PK is consistently in the top 3-4 each year. I hear he has been very influential in offense as well. He could handle it all. He is smart and passionate. That is what this team needs.

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#78 Jack "FMNF" Bauer
April 18 2009, 12:03PM
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Hey Willis, can you link me to the article you wrote on Robbie Schremp?

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#79 kingsblade
April 18 2009, 12:05PM
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Rob wrote:

He did an interview with The Red Deer Advocate that year, saying he’d still like to coach in the NHL. But that he wasn’t going to make it his goal, as he was content looking after his farm.

Perhaps, but the statements made when he left were very specific by both Brent and Brian. They discussed if he was prepared to put in the necessary time, and he indicated he was no longer prepared to do so. These sentiments have been reiterated since.

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#80 Jonathan Willis
April 18 2009, 12:22PM
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@ Jack "FMNF" Bauer:

Here it is.

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#81 kingsblade
April 18 2009, 12:23PM
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RossCreek wrote:

But “the plan” was to go get some head coaching experience for a few years in a low pressure environment (media-wise), have the Flames bring in “the taskmaster” in Keenan (a short-term fix after Jim Playfair) to shock his club into winning. And if that failed? Bring in Brent to stabilize the franchise with a long-term coach who, at that time, would already have a few years under his belt making it a lot easier to face the pressures of coaching in a Canadian city without being a rookie head coach.

You state this as fact, but it not so clear. Many believe this is true, and many believe it is not. They have not said this to be the case, and your belief does not make it so. They have brushed off discussing the matter publicly, and as far as I know have done so with a number of friends that have asked about it as well.

Only they know why he isn't there already, and until they decide to talk about it things will remain that way.

My point is that you can hardly be certain that he will necessarily go to the Flames. There was considerable public pressure in Calgary last time to hire him, and all we know for certain is that he is not there.

DUANE SUTTER is the Flames Director of Player Personnel RON SUTTER is the Flames Western Pro Scout

What is your point? Are you trying to prove that you don't actually read people's posts before you post your response? Did you miss the part of my post where I stated that if Edmonton gave Brian and Rich staff jobs then both Alberta teams could have 3 Sutters? Maybe you missed the part where I referred to the brotherS (IE PLURAL) who worked for the Flames.

Your statement here makes no sense, given that I was clearly aware of their employment, unless you have some other point - do you?

Perhaps my idea of giving them jobs would even make things more fun for the Sutters, a rivalry to discuss over Christmas dinner.

If the Flames lose out, they fire Keenan.

That's the rub isn't it? IF. You declare with absolute certainty that he will be a Flame, but what if Calgary beats Chicago? I agree that if they lose and Keenan is fired it increases the odds that Brent goes to Calgary, but it is far from certain. I could easily see him going to either team.

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#82 Jonathan Willis
April 18 2009, 12:24PM
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@ Brent Natchez:

I'm not the one you need to convince. The thing is that there are a lot of good candidates out there, and pragmatically I think that GM's are going to look at Petersen and go "good assistant, it's too bad about his health". I could very well be wrong; that's just the feeling I have.

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#83 Antony Ta
April 18 2009, 02:00PM
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@ Jon K:

Toronto got farther into the playoffs than the Oilers a lot of those years. In the JFJ years Quinn could hardly be blamed for some of hte contracts (nor could Maurice!)

By the time the Oilers had the Stanley Cup run the Maple Leafs were already in heaps of trouble. But in 8 years of MacTavish/Lowe, how much better did we do than the Leafs of Quinn/JFJ/Maurice?

I don't know if Quinn is such a bad choice - short term. Long term maybe not, considering his age but he did a hell of a job at the World Juniors.

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#84 kingsblade
April 18 2009, 02:09PM
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Antony Ta wrote:

But in 8 years of MacTavish/Lowe, how much better did we do than the Leafs of Quinn/JFJ/Maurice?

It seems like you're essentially saying "he wouldn't be much worse," which I'm not sure qualifies as a strong argument for hiring him.

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#85 Jon K
April 18 2009, 02:13PM
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Antony Ta wrote:

@ Jon K: Toronto got farther into the playoffs than the Oilers a lot of those years. In the JFJ years Quinn could hardly be blamed for some of hte contracts (nor could Maurice!)

Yeah no kidding. Why don't you look up the Leafs' average salary in the pre-lockout seasons when Quinn was behind the bench. Compare it to the Oilers'.

Also, it's interesting to ask why Quinn hasn't taken up any other coaching positions since being let go by the Leafs.

He's not the coach we want for this team. Period.

By the way, his "work" at the WJCs constituted what exactly? Canada's been a powerhouse for years and the last iteration would have been quickly eliminated if not for a miracle play in the dying seconds.

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#86 kingsblade
April 18 2009, 02:43PM
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Jon K wrote:

By the way, his “work” at the WJCs constituted what exactly?

Precisely. Why do people keep bringing up the worlds as though he was responsible for a miraculous victory? Hurray, he didn't manage to screw it up, lets hire him for our NHL team!!!

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#87 Scott
April 18 2009, 04:28PM
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I'm not saying that the Oil are definitely going to get Brent Sutter, but I don't think Calgary getting him is a lock either. Let's say that Cagary's coaching job becomes vacant after this season and Brent takes it. What happens if Calgary has an abysmal season or another early exit in the post season? What if Daryl is forced into the corner where he has to fire Brent? Does he really want to go down that path? I doubt it.

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#88 Magicmeatbag
April 18 2009, 05:17PM
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Darryl fired himself at one point if i recall.

I'd think if he was put in that position then the both of them would understand

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#89 esa tikkanen
April 18 2009, 10:17PM
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Jonathan

I just read the article on Schremp from February.

I would like to add a couple of names for comparables. One is Jason Pominville, the other is Kyle Wellwood. It is amazing also to look at Dave Bolland in Chicago who was his teammate in London, identical first year in the AHL but then Bolland made Chicago last season. He did not have a great year, but this year scored 49 points including 19 goals in the NHL, better than either Cogliano or Gagner. One also has to look at this season and wonder what happened. In his second season he seemed to improve significantly, then he spent all last summer working out. One would have thought he would have broken out this season to a point per game plus AHL player or a semiregular NHL player. My opinion is that when he was called up in December he was a point per game player in the AHL, mostly assists. When he got sent down despite having three points and all the good things Mact said about him in the press, I think he was shocked. Reddox got to stay and he got sent down? I am of the opinion that he was crushed and could not recover mentally or emotionally from what he would have perceived as a devastating move by the Oilers. I wonder if as a playmaker in his immature way he got frustrated with the lack of goal scorers to pass the puck to?

When he got called up he was a point per game and even for plus minus, 40 games later he barely had any more points and was about -20. It is too bad because I have a feeling the oilers will trade him to some team that will need him and he will play and get 20 goals and 50 points for 10 years for the Islanders or Tampa. Maybe the best thing for him now would be to go to the Islanders, play with Okposo and Tavares, and watch the little bastard get 70 points in the NHL playing with those two...how about Schremp for Brendan Witt?

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#90 Jonathan Willis
April 18 2009, 11:38PM
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@ esa tikkanen:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if it's a choice between Reddox and Schremp, I'd keep Reddox too. Rob Schremp had one good game as an Edmonton Oiler and got worse as his callup progressed.

If he's so immature that he tanked half of his AHL season over it, that tells us everything we need to know about his character. Compare his play to Potulny; based on what he did in the NHL Potulny was more deserving of staying with the team than Schremp; he got sent back down and he kept scoring.

There aren't any questions left to answer about Rob Schremp, in my opinion. He can't beat soft competition in the AHL; he'll never be more than a powerplay specialist in the NHL.

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#91 Archaeologuy
April 19 2009, 12:44AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

he’ll never be more than a powerplay specialist in the NHL.

Fortunately for him that's exactly what the Oilers need.

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#92 Jonathan Willis
April 19 2009, 10:19AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

Yes, the Oilers desperately need another smallish, inconsistent forward with attitude concerns who doesn't play a gritty game and needs sheltered minutes.

Rob Schremp is exactly the opposite of what the Oilers need.

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#93 robbie
April 19 2009, 10:50AM
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Just read this on SI Truth and Rumors: "There's never been an opening in New York for Mark Messier to fill, never a job for him to step into, but there sure is one in Edmonton, where the Oilers are seeking a head coach, isn't there? Messier was burned a couple of years ago when his father, Doug, went public with the assertion that Mark would be the logical choice to succeed GM Glen Sather, even though Don Maloney was in place as the Rangers' assistant GM. No. 11 has since kept a respectful silence even while telling The Post this winter that he's ready, willing and able to join the Rangers organization in essentially any role he might be assigned. For the first time, he said that he thought he could coach in the NHL, though he was not lobbying for Tom Renney's job. Now there's Edmonton, where he is revered. Now there's Edmonton, where his bud Kevin Lowe likely will have much influence in hiring Craig MacTavish's successor even if Steve Tambellini is the GM conducting the job search. Now there's Edmonton, where his candidacy surely would receive public support."

Haha, I'm sure Mess will receive boatloads of public support from Edmontonians

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#94 Jonathan Willis
April 19 2009, 10:55AM
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@ robbie:

Now, there's Edmonton, where another former Oiler with no actual experience in the job he wants is available.

~Let me get my trumpet.~

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#95 Archaeologuy
April 19 2009, 11:30AM
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@ Jonathan Willis: obviously the Oilers have bigger things to worry about than how to fit Shremp into the lineup, but smallish and non-gritty doesnt matter in the least if points are produced. Especially if they kick start an anemic Powerplay.

I disagree with many who claim Shremp played poorly in his 3 games here this past season. His ice time was cut each game and the only time he was a non-factor was against San Jose (the whole team was a non-factor that day). I personally thought he brought a spark to the line he played on. He even made a few good defensive plays! Ok, he isnt "mature" because he got upset that despite the fact he outplayed 90% of the team on 2 of his 3 nights he was let go in favour of Liam Reddox who was given 10 games on the 1st line. Whatever.

I know you will point me to articles you wrote or crunch some numbers to tell me I'm wrong, but MacT did his best to make sure that kid didnt have a chance to play himself into the lineup. I'd be disgruntled too.

He isnt going to be Sidney Crosby or the answer to the Oilers' prayers, but he would have been a better option than Marc Pouliot or Liam Reddox most nights.

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#96 Archaeologuy
April 19 2009, 11:32AM
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@ Archaeologuy: Also, I'm sick of guys' efforts being touted as this great thing. Horc, Reddox, whomever, it doesnt matter how hard they try if they cant get the job done. I'll take the guy who scores 40 goals but looks like he couldnt give a crap.

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#97 Jonathan Willis
April 19 2009, 11:33AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

I'm not going to crunch numbers. I just think it's ridiculous to imagine that a player who isn't even putting up points in the AHL is going to fix the Oilers' powerplay.

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#98 Jonathan Willis
April 19 2009, 11:35AM
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@ Archaeologuy:

I'll take any of Cogliano, Nilsson, Gagner, Hemsky, Horcoff, Penner, Kotalik, O'Sullivan or for that matter Potulny over Schremp on the NHL powerplay (and they're all far better players at even strength too). Which four would you cut to make room for Schremp?

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#99 Archaeologuy
April 19 2009, 11:49AM
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@ Jonathan Willis: Like I said. During this season he would have been a better option in some instances than Reddox or Pouliot. We didnt have Kotalik or O'Sullivan at the time, and for a stretch we didnt have Hemsky. I would have much rather seen Shremp up for 10 games in a row on the 1st line than Reddox. I'm not saying he deserves a full time gig, just the same chance that others got to be a 13th forward. And despite his lowered production in the AHL this season he still managed to get points in 2 of the games he played here, without even knowing the tendencies of his linemates. Shremp will at best be a complementary player in the NHL. Who was there to complement in Springfield?

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#100 Rob
April 19 2009, 12:04PM
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Magicmeatbag wrote:

Darryl fired himself at one point if i recall. I’d think if he was put in that position then the both of them would understand

I don't think Brent would put him or his brother in that position. So I DON'T think Brent going to Calgary will ever happen.

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