Vulnerable

Wanye
April 02 2009 10:41AM

vulnerable

When we get greased we get hungover. When we get hungover we have unusual clarity of thought and 2 times out of 10 we get super vulnerable about stuff. This could be for a variety of reasons. Perhaps we have taken down a lady of questionable quality. Perhaps we threw a whisky bottle at a friend. Perhaps – well perhaps a variety of things Nation. We do a lot of questionable stuff.

Last night we went out and had ourselves a good ol’ time. Why not – we have nothing to be excited about anymore. All is lost. Afterwards we came back to the crib and read our most beloved non pornographic website into the early morning. And we have come up with one vulnerable conclusion:

What in the hell are we doing with our life?

We started this website because we love the Oilers. When we say things like “we have an Oilers garbage can in our room that we have owned since we were 7” we mean it. If you told us “Wanye, stand in front of a Souray slapper and somehow time will reverse itself and the Oil will make the playoffs” we would do it in a heart beat. Why is this? We have no idea. Something must have broken in our seven year old head that makes us live and die with the powerplay of the local hockey squadron. We can’t tell you when our Brother’s birthday is. But we can tell you that Jason Soules was one of the worst draft picks in the last 25 years. He didn’t even want to play the game professionally and still the Oilers drafted him in 1989. What the hell? Why do we know this?

Look what you have become “Wanye Gretz.” We invented an acronym suggesting the coach – a grown man of unusual dedication to the city of Edmonton and it’s citizens – be fired from his job. We call Dustin Penner – an obviously skilled but unhappy player – a Donair eating cylinder monkey. What the hell?

100 kidding points awarded

Let’s not sit around and kid ourselves Nation. Probably half of the Oilers could give two squirts of rocket sauce about this City, it’s fans or even really about the team itself. But before you get your gun and go looking for an undedicated Oiler know that this is the case all around the league. A lot of players view this as a job. A lucrative, groupie producing j-o-b. Gone are the days when a player will stick around here in the off season and his neighbor rebuild a fence over the summer. The instant the season ends most of these guys hop on a solid gold private jet and are summering in the South of France, eating truffles and drinking imported mineral water within 24 hours. That’s just the way it is.

But you know who is here in the off season? By complete choice? Craig MacTavish and Kevin Lowe. Let’s not kid ourselves here. These guys could be pretty much anywhere in the league, doing the same job and making the same money. They don’t have to put up with the snow and the lack of urban density in the downtown core if they don’t want to. They could be living in the Big Apple eating sushi with Keith Urban seven nights a week if they wanted. Instead they choose to live here in Edmonton and consider the South Side Keg to be a fancy place to take the Wife – just like we all do. Do we ever give them credit for sticking with it for as long as they have? Of course not.

Ales Kotalik was traded here and had no choice in the matter. Kevin Lowe returned here from the Big Apple to set up shop, build a mansion on the frozen tundra and do his best to make the team he unquestionably loves – a champion once again. MacTavish too. Let’s be honest – no one can question their dedication. Results? Sure. But in an era when most people view the NHL as a paycheck to fund their Faberge egg habit these guys care a little more about you, me and the City of Edmonton than we give them credit for.

Know who else cares? Ethan Moreau. We know this for a fact. Don’t think it just kills him that the Oil are going to miss the playoffs for the third time in a row and the second under his Captaincy? And what do we do? We tell him to hit the bricks. Steve Staios cares. Jason Strudwick cares too. Sam Gagner too cares bless his little heart.

And how do we repay them? By ragging on them mercilessly and demanding they be replaced with more high priced free agents who want to get the hell out of here at every opportunity.

100 more kidding points awarded

We have a sneaking suspicion that we are all kidding ourselves when we think we are the best fans in the league. With the exception of the Cup run, we collectively ride the Oilers harder than O’Sullivan’s dad when he was in Pee Wee. 99 minutes out of 100 we are filled with unbridled hatred and the other 1 minute we are irrationally euphoric and going through Sheldon Souray's garbage to see what kind of gel he uses. Know what that makes us? Good fans? No.

Insane stalkers. That’s what it makes us.

Things are clearly broken here in E-town. This team leads the league in least bang for your buck. The players in the room that care the most aren’t capable of scoring eleven goals in the third period and leading us to victory. The players that are capable of this feat don’t care enough to get off their platinum asses and do it with the season on the line. So what do we do? We learn the wrong lessons and rail road the well meaning role players and management out of town. We cheer loudly when a player comes into town hoping that this is going to be "the guy." Then when he isn’t the guy we turn on him too. Then we collectively blame the weather when they demand to leave.

Ask yourself the hard questions Nation. Look your bloodshot eyes in the face and really ask yourselves these questions:

  1. Of everyone collecting a pay cheque from Kay-Z this season – who is the most dedicated to the team we collectively love? Outside of a handful of players in the room who really cares about restoring this team to the glory of years ago? Is it the 20 something millionaire that can’t wait to get his last paycheck of the season so he can go to Kelowna and ball like a member of G-Unit? Or is it the two middle aged men who still get up in the morning, look at the frozen wasteland that is our City and think “yep. This is where I want to be. This place used to be the shit and it I could make it awesome again.” The only the only people in the league who will ever think this way are the same people we are demanding get boxed up and shipped the F out of town.
  2. Lame ass audio clips aside - are we really holding up our end of the bargain as fans? We have watched games in a great many arenas now. Half of the fans in Anaheim are just excited to see ice for heavens sakes. They don’t care about the coach making third line players into grinders. Hell they don’t even know what a grinder is. They stand up at the weirdest points to cheer. They all look confusedly at each other when icing is called. We sit and scream at one another how a guy that is on pace to score 17 goals should be sent to the ECHL where he play third string goalie. You know, to teach him a lesson. Are we really the best fans in the league?
  3. Would you want to play here in Edmonton if you were in the NHL? The cheques cash the same all over the league playboy.

We pride ourselves on ripping on the Oil whenever we get the urge. We get a special little thrill every time one of you good people join in, comment on an article or send us an email. We are thunderstruck at the popularity of this website and that real journalists like Robin Brownlee and Jason Gregor have humored our little business and treat this thing seriously. And what do we do the instant we have the privilege of being able to address our fellow Oilers fans? Things like this:

"It is you who is letting us down Edmonton Oilers. Get that very, very clear in your collective minds."

And who are we again to talk like this? Nobody? Oh that's right. Nobody.

A MacT/K-Lowe-less future

This team is clearly broken. The statement we have heard is that “this is going to be the busiest off season in the history of the Oilers.” Who is going to come back here and replace the departing folk? More high priced players who don’t really give a shit? When MacTavish leaves and Kevin Lowe finally decides “screw this. I have shaved a good ten years off my life for this team and for this City. I’m going to assemble a kick ass sword collection and mail it in” who are we left with? Will anyone in power even remember when it was expected to win a Cup in this City?

When they go, so goes the last link to the Oilers expecting to be a contender year in and year out. Then it’s going to be a bunch of hired guns who collect the cheque and the only link to better days will be that dented Oilers garbage can in our room.

Great.

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#1 Doug
April 02 2009, 10:49AM
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Damn right Wayne and i've been saying it for years now. Mac T and K Lowe are the guys who put the "oiler" in that locker room.

However, FMNF.

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#2 The Towel Boy
April 02 2009, 10:50AM
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Slow clap for you Wanye.

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#3 Chaz
April 02 2009, 10:54AM
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Don't get too down and don't be too hard on the fans Wayne. Sure we're hard on the team, coaches and management, but that's because we care. This is also the case with all great franchises in professional sports. Do you think Ranger fans are any better? If they are, it's only because they have 7 pro sports franchises in town to direct their angst towards. We only have one (I don't count AA baseball or CFL, sorry).

Fans at Manchester United riot when they're upset. A soccer player from Uruguay (I think) was killed after scoring an own-goal in a World Cup qualifier. Rider fans dumped manure on the lawn of their field goal kicker. The list goes on...

When you play for passionate, caring, and knowledgable fans you take the bad with the good, and unfortunately right now is a bad time. It WILL get better and will be that much more enjoyable after we've had to struggle to get there. Have faith Oil Nation, have faith.

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#4 Jonathan Willis
April 02 2009, 10:59AM
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Fun sidepoint: the fans don't really matter. Detroit, for example, doesn't even sell out their building, but they're doing just fine.

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#5 sns2
April 02 2009, 11:03AM
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What were you drinking last night? Whatever it was, it sure brought about a dramatic change. I must admit to you that I've been pretty taken aback by some of your rabid posts lately, but I too have been calling for a cleansing of all things related to the glory days lately. However, after reading John Mackinnon, Terry Jones and your own column this morning, I must admit that I too am having second thoughts about any upcoming purge. Mactavish and Lowe do care greatly and are here by choice, the young millionaires probably not. There are no easy answers. Would Marc Crawford, Guy Carbonneau or Pat Quinn bring much of a different approach?

The one thing I can say is that people do get tired of hearing the same voice over and over. I'm a teacher and had to work in a school where I taught the same group of kids multiple subjects, in consecutive years. I got to the point where I was sick of them, had no patience with them, and if I'm honest with myself, did not give them the benefit of the doubt the way I would to students whom I had just met a few months earlier. And maybe more importantly, they got tired of my act even quicker than I did of theirs. To me this is what's happened with our hockey team. If I had to guess, I would say that many of the vets have tired of the same voice, speeches, and gameplans over the years. They've become complacent - frustrated - uncaring (or all three) and it's rubbed off on the young players, affecting the whole group.

Is firing the coaching staff the answer? I don't know. However, if we do fire MacT and his replacement is no better, deep down we will probably miss him. Just my two cents.

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#6 Poo Czar
April 02 2009, 11:19AM
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I really don't know how to feel about this right now. Shame? Pride? Regret?

I'm gonna have a good think, a cry, and rub one out. That usually sets things straight.

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#7 Homie
April 02 2009, 11:25AM
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I don't think anyone doubts the commitment of Lowe and MacT, but this is business. The results aren't there and most of the blame should go onto those players who are not living up to the value of their contract, MacT and Lowe (Lowe in particular) have made a number of poor decisions in the last couple years that will hinder the team's development in the future and need to be held accountable. There is no guarantee that the team will be better with different management or coaching, but it is worth the effort to try.

With the recession tightening everyone's wallets we will start to see empty seats next year and Katz will need to show fans he is committed to trying to build a winning team. Loyalty only goes so far.

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#8 spoiler
April 02 2009, 11:28AM
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Are you actually inferring that no one has the heart or the conviction to do the same job that k-lowe and mactavish do? Because if you are we are no better than the board of governors for GM. I commend them both men for their dedication to the organization, but the very same thing was said when Slats left, and how well has he done?

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#9 I'm a Scientist!
April 02 2009, 11:38AM
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You know who else had heart... DJ Laraque. Maybe he wants a coaching job?

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#10 mazola
April 02 2009, 11:40AM
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You know who else had heart? Curt Brackenbury.

And lungs too. I daresay all the major vital organs.

Good times.

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#11 David S
April 02 2009, 11:41AM
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Wow.

I was almost expecting a note at the bottom of this post saying "From the desk of Patrick Laforge." Heh heh.

But seriously, you have a pretty decent point there Wanye. Although I wouldn't take the cross-section of fan responses here as a large-sample representation of fans here in Edmonton. Every game I'm at, most are just happy to be in their seats, politely sitting on their hands and ordering 3L cokes and chips for their kids. And those $250 jerseys are always flying out of the Oilers store on the mezzanine (to my utter amazement).

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#12 Deans
April 02 2009, 11:46AM
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Gretz, I'm not really a fan of your work but your last two articles (is that the right word?) have been fantastic. You bring up some great points, especially about how the fans are shitting all over people who truly care about this city and its hockey fans. And your right, in this day and age that is truly rare and commendable.

The fans have changed a little bit this season. While I dont judge the fans, we have become crusty and resentful. If I were a little more articulate, I would compare Oilers fans to a jilted lover after a great five year relationship has gone horribly wrong. The most important thing that Oilers fans need to do, is just start enjoying the game again. Overanalyzing the team is fun and part of the game's appeal but I think when we all become these furious, holier than thou armchair GM's, part of the magic is lost.

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#13 DonDon
April 02 2009, 11:48AM
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Do you propose that this sad-sack NHL hockey franchise continues to go forward with Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish considering their performances over the past 8 years? (Clearly, they were not volunteers.) Can we expect a different outcome with the same cast again next season? Will you accept another 11th or 12th finish net year? Do you expect the fans to continue to pay really big bucks for the brand of entertainment that has been offered over the past three years? Do you expect sponsors to shell out big bucks next season to the Oil when the entertainment value of the product is unsatisfactory and their companies are laying off staff/workers? Would you object to see someone like Brent Sutter the HC next year with Tambellini being the real GM? The answers to these questions are probably NO, NO, NO, NO, NO and NO. Do we still think Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish are good people and desirable Edmonton citizens, definitely YES. But the two different sets of questions are mutually exclusive. On behalf of the fans, it is time for Darryl Katz to move on in a different direction. In the end, it is the fans that really own the franchise because without the fans' solid support there wouldn't be an Edmonton Oilers. Wanye, get over it.

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#14 Greg MC
April 02 2009, 11:50AM
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I think MacT is an intelligent man, but he has lost his mojo here. Being a coach in the NHL has a short shelf life. His time is up shortly.

Oh, and Kevin Lowe needs to move on too.

Feeling are a big part of life, but assess the management performance by the results, please!

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#15 humantorch
April 02 2009, 11:52AM
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I watched drunken Ajax Amsterdam fans getting in fights with each other in the subway a couple of weeks ago, and this was on the way TO the game, before it even started.

NHL players, by and large, have no idea what "really" living in a [their sport]-crazed city.

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#16 TOAST
April 02 2009, 11:53AM
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You have to be the most patient person in the world not to get upset at your favorite team when they disappoint you so consistently.

This is the logo that has meant so much to you over the last 10, 20, 30 years. You shared in the glory of five cups and felt like we won the cup when our shitty little team of plumbers beat Dallas in round one so many years ago. Your wife still busts your chops 'cause you wept like a baby when Messier retired (not during the ceremony, but when you knew it was his last game,) but not at your wedding.

Yet, when you shuffle in to Rexall Place, or sit catatonically in front of the TV, so hopefully; and emerge having received an emotional shit-kicking, it's so hard to keep you shit together and not get mad at anybody. That's where you've got to feel bad for the easy targets like Penner and MacT. They're the equivalent of our collective stress ball.

I'm usually the last of the Oiler fans I know to get negative or criticize the team. But, when I do, there's a little part of me that calls me a hypocrite, that asks me where my loyalty is. 'Cause, no matter what, I know I'm going to be glued to my set tonight so hopefully and so positively. Expecting them to pull it out of the fire one more time, like they have for 29 years.

And if they don't (something we don't even want to think about?) We'll be following this team on the web all summer, looking for something, anything, that resembles news in a woefully slow hockey news season; and speculating positively about what will be done to make them the team we want them to be. It's what we do...we're Oiler fans.

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#17 Wanye Gretz
April 02 2009, 11:53AM
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DonDon wrote:

Wanye, get over it.

Get over it. Yeah DonDon I have been preaching this new angle for what all of 2 hours?

I can see how you must get tired of me defending MacTavish and Lowe all day long.

Signed, The guy who invented FMNF

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#18 humantorch
April 02 2009, 11:53AM
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IS LIKE, dammit.

"NHL players, by and large, have no idea what “really” living in a [their sport]-crazed city IS LIKE."

*looks around for the edit post button, doesn't find it, shotguns a bud light instead*

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#19 risto
April 02 2009, 11:53AM
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Jonathan:

The redwings play for their teammates, and have an owner who shows loyalty to his players.

Success breeds fan complacency. In the dynasty days, nobody bothered to come for the first 2 playoff rounds knowing we would demolish Calgary and Winnipeg before meeting the Norris pigeon enroute to the Grail.

Detroit's constant success and cratered economy play a wee factor in their attendance.

as for club culture, The Illitch's hands-on approach has worked in cultivating the good kind of "old boys" network, where the star players stay to work and Gordie Howe is always welcome. We get occasional "Boys on the Bus" reunions and the plumbers from those teams now run a hockey club stocked full of sensitive thoroughbreds and treated like subservient pack mules.

Wanye:

Chin up, old buddy. If we hadn't spent the 80's in love with the Oilers while the recession killed our economy, and spent a bit more time loving our city instead, perhaps we all wouldn't be breaking our backs right now trying to make this a world-class city. Hey, it's how we roll here. We love hockey, always will. High standards were set, and we expect a good brand of entertainment.

The Oilers right now are a struggling team, who don't seem to want to play for themselves or their unbelievably loyal fans. We've come a long way in the shadows, through the crucible of Peter Puck's death throes as owner, where the fans literally took emotional ownership of the team and the EIG pooled together to save the last WHA franchise.

In fact the organization REMEMBERS the fans for their support, hence the PleaVideo from earlier this week; you know Gagner, Gilbert, Shelly and Cogliano would love to feel the playoff buzz here.

Our owner shows loyalty to his management. Management doesn't win anything, and without 6 or 7 of the best hockey players in history, they wouldn't have won squat in their playing careers. KLowe came out at City Hall after the SCF'06 and called the season a "failure". It's been all downhill since for him, sad but true.

Remember, it's entertainment. Wanye's namesake put us on the international map, and we should shine out at the hockey world. I'm gonna sing the anthem, hope O'Sullivan drills Michalek at the blueline, size up Cheechoo for his Oiler jersey next season and cheer until I'm hoarse.

"Buy the ticket, take the ride" HST

PS - the only regrets I have as a fan is a few things I've yelled at Dallas players. They would be tame to what Chicago and Ranger fans yell at their own players.

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#20 Archaeologuy
April 02 2009, 11:55AM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that youve hit rock bottom this morning. Listen to yourself man! Dedication is exactly what MacT has but cant get out of his players anymore. It's ok to thank MacT for his service but move on, and it doesnt make anyone less of a fan. MacT and K-Lowe cant lace-em up and play anymore, so its up to them to develop and maintain the culture of dedication that is clearly missing. Yes thats on the players, but a bad handiman blames his tools.

Youre just going through the spectrum of emotions that most of us are going through in this grieving process. Soon that guilt will switch over to pleading or some crap, by the draft you'll be ready to freak right out on the Oilers for drafting the kid with the bad hip from some third rate American highschool that wasnt even on the top 100 rated players with the 10th overall pick.

That imaginary AK-47 might not be fired today, but soon your upstairs neighbours will be complaining about the imaginary bullets that keep ripping up their floor boards.

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#21 jeanshorts
April 02 2009, 11:55AM
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I'm not really sure I understand your point. I'll agree that Kevin Lowe and MacT have an undying alligence to this city which I respect with all my being, but I don't think that takes away anything from the fact that they aren't, or haven't been very good at their jobs. Same goes for Moreau. He gives it 100 percent every shift, and I'm sure he's an insanely good captain in the room, but from a fan stand point I'd much rather have someone who can consistantly get 40 points and not take 4 bad penalties a game in his spot.

And what's your position on the fans? Are you saying we are in the wrong for being fed up with not having any success for 19 years? That we should go out there and praise every player regardless of how good or bad they are just because they are wearing an Oilers jersey? I'm pretty sure that's not your point but that's just how I interpreted it.

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#22 Archaeologuy
April 02 2009, 12:00PM
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And youre a day late for April Fools!

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#23 Jonathan Willis
April 02 2009, 12:01PM
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I personally hate to see some of the personal crap that gets tossed at MacTavish and Lowe. It's over the line, and unfair.

That said, I have a statement to make which I think is true:

A manager in any position (be it GM, coach, president, whatever) who does not produce results should be fired. History with the team is irrelevant, except insofar as it produces results.

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#24 Cam
April 02 2009, 12:03PM
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Homie wrote:

MacT and Lowe (Lowe in particular) have made a number of poor decisions in the last couple years that will hinder the team’s development in the future and need to be held accountable.

I don't know if I can really fault Lowe all that much. Some of his harshest criticism has come from the Penner offer sheet, but at the time we were lacking size and scoring up front, so he signed a young 6' 4" Canadian boy with 29 goals in his second year. It looked like a good move at the time.

Ryan Smyth he has admitted was a mistake.

So to prevent making the same error he signs Horcoff long term. Horcoff was playing like a first line centre before his injury so he got paid like one. This year he has played differently.

Everyone wanted a first line left winger, so he went after Hossa. His boss told him to. Lost in the balance was GlenX. Can't really fault him there either. Given a choice between Hossa and GlenX I would pick Hossa too.

He was supposed to get a gritty winger to play with Hemsky... so he brings in Cole who supposedly has good hands. Again no dice.

Players keep coming to Edmonton and underperforming here in comparison to how they played int he past... or they go to other teams after we have developed them and absolutely shine. That does not point to the GM... it points to the coach. I am sure MacT is a swell guy and really cares about he organization, but I think it is time for a change. I don't think MacT will eb fired. i am sure he hates losing as much as we hate watching him lose and will step down, or go in another direction.

I have never had a problem with Ex-oilers moving into positions of power. It is no different than Sutters showing up everywhere in the league. They just have to be successful and if they aren't, then proceed accordingly.

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#25 risto
April 02 2009, 12:03PM
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I'm starting to wonder if I should tell my hot sisters to stay away from this emo dude............you seemed like a winner, save the whole cardboard house thingie.

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#26 Wanye Gretz
April 02 2009, 12:10PM
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@ risto:

Emo. That's rich.

And as to your sisters I referred to them specifically at the start of this article as another reason I have been vulnerable in the past.

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#27 Mike
April 02 2009, 12:14PM
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I have to agree.....to a certain point. However, I fork over $6000 a year to this team for my seats, and I expect to at least be entertained for that kind of dough. I'm not asking that they win 82 games a season, but I do ask for a good show. I help pay their damn salaries, so don't tell me that I'm nobody when it comes time to answer the bell. Don't tell me it's my fault for not cheering loud enough at the games. If they want to keep blaming me for their faults, I can just as easily take my $6000 and by my wife and myself a damn nice holiday every year.

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#28 Jonathan Willis
April 02 2009, 12:18PM
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Wanye Gretz wrote:

And as to your sisters I referred to them specifically at the start of this article as another reason I have been vulnerable in the past.

Zing.

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#29 the claw
April 02 2009, 12:18PM
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@ Jonathan Willis:

exactly right. i may love the company i work for, work long hours, and try really hard but ultimately if i completely suck at my job i'm going to get fired.

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#30 the claw
April 02 2009, 12:22PM
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also, i think the only true sin in the eyes of edmonton fans is lack of effort. we'll cheer for any team as long as they never give up. down 27-0? fight! throw a hit! block a shot! throw a cooler on the ice! anything!

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#31 Don Murdochs Hair
April 02 2009, 12:23PM
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Wayne, Detroit will beat St.Louis, Anahein will fall to the Canucks(even though it pains me greatly to cheer for them),the Mighty Oil will pevail over the Sharks and we will be only a point out, hope will be renewed and we will all feel a little bit happier. Couple that with some more of that Zoolander tea you must have consumed last night and you're rollin again....

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#32 Sandra
April 02 2009, 12:24PM
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Reasign MacT to President of Oiler Traditions.

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#33 Sandra
April 02 2009, 12:26PM
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Roli usually has a bounce back game after a poor performance. so go Oiler go

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#34 Wanye Gretz
April 02 2009, 12:28PM
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@ Don Murdochs Hair:

From your lips to the Gods ears. You always know just what to say to me Don Murdochs Hair.

@ Sandra:

Now THAT is funny.

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#35 mazola
April 02 2009, 12:29PM
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Sandra wrote:

Roli usually has a bounce back game after a poor performance. so go Oiler go

I'm not sure Roli is aware when one game ends and another one begins.

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#36 Sandra
April 02 2009, 12:32PM
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J.D.Desjarlais might be a Mason, too bad we will never really know, if Roli loses it I would like to see what he can do. At least we will know for next year.

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#37 Quinn
April 02 2009, 12:42PM
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I agree totally that KLowe and MacT are the biggest hearts in the organisation. I totally disagree that fans can't express their displeasure in the team they put together.

I am with Willis in that alot of this is over the line/classless/lunacy totally removed from reality/weird, but I do think that comes in the job description. And I even think that those two guys would give the fans that right, even defend their right to do it.

Still, the results have to come or something needs to change. And I believe the organisation has been very patient in allowing these guys enough rope to do what they want (a lot more than in Philly/Boston/Montreal/Tampa/etc.).

Lets give them a great thank you when they leave, and start speculating now about what next season looks like.

'Cause being hopeful is what a fan does too.

Hey, have you heard anything about this Omark kid? Supposed to be good .......

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#38 Homie
April 02 2009, 12:52PM
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Cam wrote:

Players keep coming to Edmonton and underperforming here in comparison to how they played int he past… or they go to other teams after we have developed them and absolutely shine. That does not point to the GM… it points to the coach.

First, I don't think Penner was that bad of a signing. MacT hasn't handled him very well, but he creates offensive chances for the players he is on the ice with and is a real asset on the PP.

Horcoff's signing was terrible. He has a history of inconsistency - one good year then one bad - and he is following that pattern this season. I would have had no problem with a long term signing with a cap hit of 3.5 to 4, not 5.5. He is an excellent second line centre but is now being paid like a first liner.

On the other side, Hemsky's contract is a steal and the Souray signing has been good value this year.

Can you show examples of players who have left here and "shone" other places? I can think of a couple - Lupul and Chimera. And I'm sure you can find these kind of examples for every team, so unless you can show it happens with the Oilers here more than most other teams, this argument doesn't hold water.

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#39 baggedmilk
April 02 2009, 12:54PM
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@ Wanye Gretz:

Anyone can love working for a company, but if they're not doing their job the company doesn't need to love them back.

If you think we're bad here... Calgary fans wanted Iginla gone after his slow start, Montreal is ready to burn the city down, Vancouver was all over Luongo when he was bed sh*tting, Toronto fans boo relentlessly every single game, same with Ottawa. We're no worse, brother Wanye.

Kevin Lowe may love this city and this team, but he crippled it by paying Steve Staios $3 million/per, trading draft picks for an inflatted Penner contract, and handing wolf eyes first line centerman's money.

Love for the team is great, but performing your job is more important.

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#40 Jonathan Willis
April 02 2009, 12:56PM
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Sandra wrote:

J.D.Desjarlais might be a Mason, too bad we will never really know, if Roli loses it I would like to see what he can do. At least we will know for next year.

Exactly like Mason, except... older... with mediocre AHL numbers... and inferior junior numbers.

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#41 shakey
April 02 2009, 01:11PM
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Wayne, just because your pack-mule did a great job and worked day in day out for you for 10 years doesn't mean you let him keep working after it's clear he can't get the job done. Your old dog Daisy, she would run and chase the ball until she'd pass out and would never let you down but at some point, that old dog needs a rest and eventually will need to be replaced by a new dog that will run and chase until they pass out. If we never let go of our pack-mules and old dogs we'd still be cheering for Bucky to successfully complete his one-handed-inside-outside move and hope that Ryan Smyth gets the rebound and Big George and Gator double team some poor stupid Flame. All of these guys were better people and community guys than hockey players and we loved them for it and won't forget them but when it's broken, you fix it. The Oilers right now is broken.

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#42 shakey
April 02 2009, 01:15PM
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Damnit...Wanye not Wayne.

That's twice now.

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#43 Scarlett
April 02 2009, 01:17PM
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Just because they care and want to be here does not mean they should be. Fans want and deserve a winning team, not an underachieving team we should be content with just because the coach/gm want to be here.

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#44 SquidRx
April 02 2009, 01:23PM
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@ Wanye Gretz: *wipes away tear and double taps chest with fist*

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#45 Undertow
April 02 2009, 01:30PM
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@ Mike: Anyone know what place they are on the Season Seat Registry waiting list? I know people that have been on the list since it was started. You're not that important Mike. Show some spirit.

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#46 Word
April 02 2009, 01:32PM
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Dude. Your article makes me feel like I should go give MacT and Lowe a hug. I thought Mac was the bomb when I went to the old Craig Mactavish-Charlie huddy Hockey Camp back in the day... but now? It's just not working.

Why did they do this to themselves? Why couldn't they simply have retired before becoming lepers?

I can't understand why MacTavish and Lowe have driven themselves to the point of being scorned in public, when they could have pulled out a few years ago and been the B-List Edmonton Celebrities that people come home and tell their kids that they saw in the grocery store... Y'know, like more important versions of Gizmo Williams.

I don't want to see them driven out of town, but I don't want to see the Oilers lose anymore. Mac and Lowe, please just move up to nominal cushy positions and bask in your (deservedly) glorious past without f*cking up the future anymore. You deserve it. So do we

One love. Word.

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#47 Archaeologuy
April 02 2009, 01:35PM
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I'm only responding to Wanye's twitter account on here because I'm too lazy to learn about Twitter, but...

Wanye, do you read the Sun on a regular basis? The sunshine girls are men in drag 90% of the time. Whoever choses those ladies is probably that creepy foreign guy who keeps eye contact with you just a second too long all the time and smiles oddly when the big girl in the office adjusts her Lulu Lemon pants.

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#48 TOAST
April 02 2009, 01:39PM
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@ Wanye Gretz: Thanks for putting my dads picture on your post. I know he'll really appreciate it...

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#49 d-rock
April 02 2009, 01:50PM
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I'm no hockey genius. In fact I'll admit that I haven't been any more than a fair-weather fan until this season. But I've been quite dedicated this season, following games and reading blogs.

And I've always been disappointed in the attitude on this site. Ever so rarely has anyone really sounded like a fan.

No, we're not Detroit. Nor would I be an Oilers fan if we were like Detroit. Who wants to watch hockey robots win games as if programmed for success instead talented players with a passion for the game? (Allow me this exaggeration)

I don't think the Oilers are going to win a cup merely on fan support. But maybe everyone will feel better, fans and players alike, if we realize we've got an exciting team with lots of potential in a City rich with history and dedicated supporters. We saw it come to fruition in the Cup run.

So, I agree, lay off the criticism a bit. And next year when the Oilers struggle again, stick with them so they don't have to make a desperate plea for fan support.

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#50 Dennis
April 02 2009, 01:52PM
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Reminiscing hurts even more when you don't have current playoff berths to obsess over.

I don't care where guys came from but I do care about being able to watch my own club in the playoffs.

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