NCFOM II: Jagr Revisited

Robin Brownlee
May 01 2009 12:21AM

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So, Jaromir Jagr could see himself in Edmonton Oilers colours, could he? I bet he could, as long as there's lots of green to go along with the copper and blue he suddenly seems to be fond of.

After sounding thoroughly disinterested a few months ago about overtures made by president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, Jagr has the hearts of some Oilers fans all a-titter now that's he's apparently cozied up to the idea of all that green, ahem, I mean copper and blue.

Thursday at the IIHF World Championships, Jagr was quoted in the National Post as saying: "That was really exciting when I heard Edmonton pushed really hard to get me, I really appreciate it.

"I want to thank those guys (in Edmonton). And, if I ever got there (back in the NHL), they would be my No. 1 pick because they showed me the interest first. I never forget that. I respect that and they would be my first pick."

Really? Is that so? Is that right? It seems to me Jagr's flip-flop on interest by the Oilers is equalled only by the KHL's reversal of financial fortune. Wasn't it just a few months ago Jagr shrugged off Edmonton?

He said: "Yes such an opportunity really existed. The teams had discussed how that could be fulfilled. But it did not depend on me. Should Omsk ask me to join Edmonton, I'd do that, but that was not something I desired myself."

Now, apparently, he does.

Sign the papers, old man

Already 37 and several years removed from his prime, Jagr still has one year remaining on his contract with Omsk of the KHL and indicated he intends, at least for now, to honour it.

That would mean Mario Junior would be nearing his 39th birthday by the time he signs for a stack of cash, I mean pulls on a jersey, with the Oilers. What would it take to get Jagr? One season at $6 million, $7 million?

I wrote back on March 10 that I think pursuing Jagr and trying to turn back the hands of time is a waste of money and effort for the Oilers, and I don't feel any different about it today. The reasons remains the same.

What, there won't be a player available as a UFA this summer for $6 million who's got more in the tank and can be a part of the future of organization for more than a year? Jagr, in what looks to me like a money grab and nothing more, is GM Steve Tambellini's best option? I think not.

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1. Even if Jagr isn't the player he used to be, he'd be worth that stack of dough because, well, he'd do so much for the image of Edmonton as a destination for unrestricted free agents. We have, after all, been shunned often and by many. You can't put a price on esteem.

Well, no. Putting together a team capable of competing for a Stanley Cup would do far more in terms of attracting UFAs -- welcome to the Motor City Marian Hossa -- than paying sucker money to a once-great player a decade past his prime. Works OK in Detroit, no?

2. So what if Jagr only has 27 points at Christmas? The young players on the roster need a mentor and Jagr would be great. He's a leader of young men and that's what's been lacking around here. Think about the kids. How else are Sam Gagner and Andrew Cogliano supposed to develop?

I don't know, how did Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane manage without a $7-million nanny wearing a jock in Chicago? Who did Rick Nash learn from in Columbus, Jody Shelley? Alex Ovechkin figured it out in Washington without having Father Time on the wing.

3. Still, even if Jagr was in it only for the money and it turned out he wasn't even a legitimate top-six forward any more, it would be really cool to bring him in just to say we did.

No. Jagr's mullet in the 1990s was cool. Winning is cool. Looking ahead instead of back over your shoulder is cool. Having a long-term plan and taking some lumps in the short-term to do it right and make it work is cool. I don't think Jagr fits into that.

Somebody might pay Jagr's price, but it shouldn't be the Oilers.

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#1 treblecharger
May 01 2009, 12:48AM
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Geez, you're cranky Brownlee!!! I dunno... you make a good case but I still feel like Jagr would be an upgrade on what the Oil have. Salary cap? ....not my effin job, man, I just say an Oiler top 6 with Jagr in it is better than what we are sitting on today, you cranky b astard!

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#2 ed
May 01 2009, 12:48AM
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Agreed! Like you said, not only a waste of $ but also a waste of time and effort. There are better much better options. Hell, Mats Sundin would be a better option. Jagr's not even a good leader. Captals anyone?

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#3 jeanshorts
May 01 2009, 12:51AM
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I don’t know, how did Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane manage without a $7-million nanny wearing a jock in Chicago? Who did Rick Nash learn from in Columbus, Jody Shelley? Alex Ovechkin figured it out in Washington without having Father Time on the wing.

I mostly agree with everything you said, but could you have picked better examples?? No offense to our young studs, I love em to death, but they are no where near the caliber of Ovechkin or Nash.

But again, I whole heartedly agree that Tambo should definitely pursue every other available option out there before he takes a sniff at Jagr's mullet. Unless Jagr wants to sign for 4 mill or less. He'd do that right? Right??????

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#4 ed
May 01 2009, 01:12AM
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Ovechkin's out of this world, but Toews/Kane are absolutely at Nash's caliber. Hell, I'd say that Kane is already better than Nash.

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#5 ed
May 01 2009, 01:13AM
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ed wrote:

Ovechkin’s out of this world, but Toews/Kane are absolutely at Nash’s caliber. Hell, I’d say that Kane is already better than Nash.

And I just realized that you weren't comparing Toews/Kane, but the Oilers young'ns (Gagner, Cogs, etc.).

Time to sleep!

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#6 Jack Bauer
May 01 2009, 01:37AM
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If it came between the option of starting the season with 6 million in the bank vs. having Jagr, id pick having Jagr in a heartbeat.

Now if there is a better option for 6 million then im all for the better option, but something is better than nothing if were willing to spend The Dark Lord's money to its fullest.

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#7 Tyler
May 01 2009, 01:56AM
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Rick Nash is pretty awesome now but he took a huge leap once they got a coach who introduced him to his own end of the ice. Before that he was just an expensive way to lose games by higher scores.

Not that this undermines your point that expecting Jagr to teach anyone anything is as silly as crediting Adam Oates for Shawn Horcoff and Jarret (I have no idea how to spell that; it's as stupid name; Markkanen is easier) Stoll being good at faceoffs.

That said, we'll see what the dollars are like and I don't necessarily believe that he wants to come to Edmonton but a pile of money on a short term deal isn't such a bad thing, particularly if there's no better fit out there and the Oilers have the cap room. Cash is just cash for those of us who aren't Darryl Katz; better in Jagr's pocket than his.

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#8 BUCK75
May 01 2009, 05:38AM
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I could not agree more RobBro.

*clap, clap, clap*

I think money is better spent on a combination or 1 or of:

Mike Cammalleri Vernon Fiddler Manny Malhotra Travis Moen Dominic Moore or JBouw

waste of $ signing Jagr - get some more young blood in here.

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#9 Robert....
May 01 2009, 06:51AM
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..yup..we're in the midst of our short term pain for long tern gain.

Jaro doesn't fit the plan.

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#10 douggy
May 01 2009, 07:09AM
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i agree! the oil should go after younger guys, like cammeleri, hossa, or gaborik. if we wanted to bring in an aging veteran isnt kovalev and koivu a ufa in montreal? bring jager in on a 1yr deal worth no more than 4mil. i also say re-sign kotalik and get rid of soft hand gilbert while he still holds value! is abyone else as excited as i am to have "the vision" visnovsky back next season? hands down one of the best pick ups in oilers history! i hope eberle can crack the lineup this year!

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#11 douggy
May 01 2009, 07:10AM
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p.s. !!!!!! lol.

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#12 Robin Brownlee
May 01 2009, 07:37AM
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Tyler wrote:

Not that this undermines your point that expecting Jagr to teach anyone anything is as silly as crediting Adam Oates for Shawn Horcoff and Jarret (I have no idea how to spell that; it’s as stupid name; Markkanen is easier) Stoll being good at faceoffs.

That's fair enough. I'm not big on paying guys to be "good in the room," etc. In the case of Oates, while his on-ice performance was dismal, he really did take it upon himself to work with the young centres. I saw it first hand. And, with Oates, we were talking a $1.75 million salary, not $5-7 million.

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#13 Colin
May 01 2009, 07:57AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

I could not agree more RobBro. *clap, clap, clap* I think money is better spent on a combination or 1 or of: Mike Cammalleri

How sweet would it be to grab Cowtown's prize UFA?

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#14 Rick
May 01 2009, 08:18AM
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I'm with Robin on this one, what's the point?

The Oilers aren't ready to win now and Jagr won't help them win later so all it ends up doing is wasting cash and muddying the identity of the team which should be the young guys.

So obviously it's got to be about the optics of a "star" wanting to play in Edmonton. Right? It will pay dividends for the Oilers down the road when they are looking to lure UFA's to our town. Right?

Well here is the catch as I see it. It makes for positive headlines when he signs. Which is 1 year away from when the next batch of UFA's become available for the Oilers to try and get.

What happens if, oh just for giggles, let's say Jagr doesn't like it here? Or he doesn't like his role here? Or he gets caught in a sound byte like Cole did where he said he "couldn't keep the smile off his face when he heard he was traded back to Carolina", as an example? After all we are talking about a player that has a reputation of being a prima dona and high maintenance.

Do the free agents remember the positive press from a whole year earlier when Jagr signed or the fresh print from his way out of town? I am betting on the latter...if it was to even make a difference at all.

The whole idea of him signing here is short sighted on every level and if the Oilers had an ounce of sense they would forget about the 'has beens' and focus on what really matters which is building a program with quality players that start to win.

It's the best publicity and sales approach for UFA's they could get.

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#15 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 08:20AM
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On a one year deal, the $$ is (almost) irrelavant... and would almost fit better with the long term plan.

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#16 Chaz
May 01 2009, 08:21AM
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I love the level-headed approach Robin. How many elder superstar payola signings actually work out for the team who signs them anyways? Not many it seems to me, and in my opinion I'd rather sign an aging warrior a la a Keith Tkachuk as opposed to a guy like JJ, although if they threw in a 1991 Mullet clause, I would reconsider.

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#17 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 08:34AM
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If signing Jagr to a 6 million dollar contract forces the Oilers to move the other overpriced players then I'm all for it. It all depends on what Jagr wants out of this deal. If its just a cash grab then I get why the Oil wouldnt want him, BUT if he wants to play for a Canadian team before he retires then maybe he will come at Shawn Horcoff money. Plus, if he's only got 27 points by Christmas wouldnt that put him at a higher pace than 2/3 of the club anyway?

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#18 Rick
May 01 2009, 08:41AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

If signing Jagr to a 6 million dollar contract forces the Oilers to move the other overpriced players then I’m all for it.

The Oilers should be feeling pressure to move the other overpriced players anyways. I don't know why signing Jagr would further that along, except for maybe putting the Oilers in a bigger bind cap wise and forcing them to take even less pennies on the dollar out of desparation.

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#19 SOUBY
May 01 2009, 08:49AM
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Quoting Robin "pursuing Jagr and trying to turn back the hands of time is a waste of money and effort for the Oilers"

Exactly. If the Oil want to bring in a top offensive player then shell out the bucks for a guy like Hossa or make Atlanta a deal they cannot refuse and go after Kovolchuk. These guys are in the prime of their careers with lots left in the tank.

If Jagr would take 2 million for 1 year as a third liner with time on the PP, then maybe you do this deal. You and I all know that his price tag will be more like 5 or 6 million and he will expect 1st line minutes. Not worth the investment.

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#20 Hemmertime
May 01 2009, 08:49AM
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Rick wrote:

The Oilers aren’t ready to win now and Jagr won’t help them win later so all it ends up doing is wasting cash and muddying the identity of the team which should be the young guys.

I believe with Visnovsky we are a playoff team, and I have expectations of playoffs next season. In playoffs anything can happen, the Presidents Trophy winner doesn't win the cup automatically (or at all). The question is who would you rather have, Gags or Jagr on 2nd line in PO. Looking at free agent talent to me: 1A/B: Hossa, Havlat 3A/B: Cammalleri/Gaborik 5: Saku Koivu/ Sakic / Tanguay 8: Kovalev / Gionta / Jagr / Tkachuk (all old but Gionta)

After that Kotalik, Afinogenov, Satan, Sykora, Comrie level players come into play. Looking at the Free agents available I would say Jagr is a top 10 outlook. I couldn't disagree with someone if they Valued some of the "2nd tier" FA more than Jagr, and since we never seem to get a top 5 FA (besides you Souray! all my love, but I dont believe was a top 5 FA that year because his "lack of defense" - suck it MTL) I think Jagr would be a decent pickup. Jagr's worst season in his career was his rookie year, even if he tied those point #s (57) he would have been second on the Oilers.

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#21 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 08:52AM
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Rick wrote:

The Oilers should be feeling pressure to move the other overpriced players anyways.

Dont under-estimate the Oilers' ability to ignore a problem for much longer than it should. No 3rd line center, No first line LW, Too many goalies, FMNF...

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#22 mjsh
May 01 2009, 08:54AM
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I must be getting old. I remember seeing Jagr's first game in Edmonton a very long time ago. I said to my companion that he should be watched because he was going to be a superstar in the league. I have liked him except for his time in Washington. He was incredible at the Olympics in Nagano. That was a two man team, Jagr and Hasek that won the Olympics.

When the Rangers last came to Edmonton, I was at that game too. I remember Jagr doing very little for much of the game but in the third period he seemed to turn it on a bit. If we think we have too many floaters now, look out if Mario Jr. comes to town. He will frustrate the fans to no end and yet will still produce some points.

A couple more things. I said last August that the Oilers should trade Gilbert and keep Grebs. The others at this site and Lowetide roasted me as if I was crazy. Now it would appear there are many more thinking the same way.

One final memory of Jagr's first game in town. I came down the night before from McMurray and had dinner at Hy's. While I was waiting for my companion to show up, I sat at the bar. A gentleman came in and sat beside me. It was Mario. I few minutes later in came Tom Borrasso. It always struck me as stange that he was the one Mario had dinner with because of his reputation of being moody.

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#23 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 08:55AM
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@ Hemmertime:

Bingo, I think we all know he's the best (FA) we'll be able to get. 1yr, get it done.

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#24 Hemmertime
May 01 2009, 08:57AM
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I cant see why people have so little value of him, looking over his stats Jagr has only scored under 30 twice, and they were 25 and 27 in his first and last years. Let him show he actually is a washed up bum before treating him so :)

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#25 Rick
May 01 2009, 09:02AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Dont under-estimate the Oilers’ ability to ignore a problem for much longer than it should. No 3rd line center, No first line LW, Too many goalies, FMNF…

Believe me, I don't. I keep hoping it will change but until I see it I am not banking on it.

However, the point still stands in that they shouldn't have to create an even bigger problem in order to prompt them to fix one that exists anyway.

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#26 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 09:04AM
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@ Rick: It would be a 1 year contract, i doubt there would be that much trouble after a little jigging and friggin with the lineup.

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#27 Robin Brownlee
May 01 2009, 09:05AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

@ Hemmertime: Bingo, I think we all know he’s the best (FA) we’ll be able to get. 1yr, get it done.

Really? Are you talking about the UFAs this summer or the summer after next season, which is when Jagr would be available if he honours his KHL contract? If you want to be more attractive to the top UFAs, winning is the way to go. Hire the right coach. Sort out the roster here. Spend $5-6 million addressing the holes in the line-up. Make the playoffs. Deal from a position of relative strength, not desperation to make the big splash.

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#28 Rick
May 01 2009, 09:08AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I believe with Visnovsky we are a playoff team, and I have expectations of playoffs next season. In playoffs anything can happen, the Presidents Trophy winner doesn’t win the cup automatically (or at all).

This could all be true but after we twist and turn the logic ten ways over you are still left with;

- the better the team the better the chances - just getting to the playoffs to get a shot is banking on another cinderella run and that never carries over from year to year

I am just suggesting that the Oilers need to forget about the hail mary's and start using their short game. You can still get to the same result but it is much less risky and you're on the field much longer.

Besides, how much of distraction would Jagr be?

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#29 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 09:09AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Ogden Brother wrote: @ Hemmertime: Bingo, I think we all know he’s the best (FA) we’ll be able to get. 1yr, get it done. Really? Are you talking about the UFAs this summer or the summer after next season, which is when Jagr would be available if he honours his KHL contract? If you want to be more attractive to the top UFAs, winning is the way to go. Hire the right coach. Sort out the roster here. Spend $5-6 million addressing the holes in the line-up. Make the playoffs. Deal from a position of relative strength, not desperation to make the big splash.

I'd take him for one year in a heart beat this summer... next summer I'd re-evaluate and see where the cap is first.

"Winning attracts" FA's is really overated, every year we see FA's scater from teams that did well to crap teams to follow the $$$.

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#30 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 09:09AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Spend $5-6 million addressing the holes in the line-up. Make the playoffs. Deal from a position of relative strength, not desperation to make the big splash.

That doesnt sound like Oiler hockey to me. I dont think we can sell Lowe on this one. Try not to venture too far out of the Box Robin, you just lose your credibility when you suggest such crazy ideas.

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#31 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 09:10AM
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Ogden Brother wrote:

Robin Brownlee wrote: Ogden Brother wrote: @ Hemmertime: Bingo, I think we all know he’s the best (FA) we’ll be able to get. 1yr, get it done. Really? Are you talking about the UFAs this summer or the summer after next season, which is when Jagr would be available if he honours his KHL contract? If you want to be more attractive to the top UFAs, winning is the way to go. Hire the right coach. Sort out the roster here. Spend $5-6 million addressing the holes in the line-up. Make the playoffs. Deal from a position of relative strength, not desperation to make the big splash. I’d take him for one year in a heart beat this summer… next summer I’d re-evaluate and see where the cap is first. “Winning attracts” FA’s is really overated, every year we see FA’s scater from teams that did well to crap teams to follow the $$$.

Also, it doesn't matter what summer. The odds of this team landing a top end FA (and if he does come his salary NOT ending up as a bigger wieght on the team then the current deals) is slim to nill.

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#32 RossCreek
May 01 2009, 09:29AM
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Well put Robin.

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#33 oilersseasonticketholdersince99
May 01 2009, 09:34AM
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Why stop at Yagr,lets go and sign Roenick and Lemeiux out of San Jose,lets get Chelious from Detroit.We do not need a overpriced former star here in Edmonton,we need leadership,grit and a coach that can put a system in place, that will work with the team that he has.Not a bunch of over age former stars that should have called it quits years ago.Put a winner on the ice and we wont need to chase the free agents, they will want to come and play here in Edmonton.

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#34 Hemmertime
May 01 2009, 09:36AM
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@ Ogden Brother: We could land J-Bo, hes top end. I don't want us to (would rather keep proven performers here over UFA), but we could. Landing a Top end FW is hard ya, but thats also what 25 other teams that dont land one each year say.

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#35 RossCreek
May 01 2009, 09:38AM
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@ Ogden Brother: @ Archaeologuy: Figures you 2 would be all for it... lol. I'd rather not argue this one though... much like Yammi Jagr... a waste of time.

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#36 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 09:38AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: We could land J-Bo, hes top end. I don’t want us to (would rather keep proven performers here over UFA), but we could. Landing a Top end FW is hard ya, but thats also what 25 other teams that dont land one each year say.

You think Bo would come here?

Even if he would, we'd have to move one of Souray/Vis/Gilbert/Grebs...maybe two.

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#37 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 09:39AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: @ Archaeologuy: Figures you 2 would be all for it… lol. I’d rather not argue this one though… much like Yammi Jagr… a waste of time.

I'm all for any deal that makes the team better today without sacrificing tomorrow.

Jagr on a 1 year deal (this summer) does just that.

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#38 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 09:43AM
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@ RossCreek: I'm for it, but only under the right circumstances. If he wants 6 mill then I doubt the Oil can afford him AND fill the other holes on the team.

But if it's August 1st and the FA's have passed the club by and the trades have all been made AND there's a little coin left in the bank why not push him to leave the KHL a year early?

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#39 RossCreek
May 01 2009, 09:49AM
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@ Archaeologuy: @ Ogden Brother: If its August and all the dust has settled and he'd take less than Horcoff's 5.5 cap hit and its a 1 year deal and Rita McNiel is still alive and... ...then matbe I'd consider it. I wouldn't totally poo-poo this idea, but I don't think its anywhere near a slam dunk that I'd do it. Not really plan A or B, maybe more like plan M.

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#40 Jason Gregor
May 01 2009, 09:51AM
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Putting together a team capable of competing for a Stanley Cup would do far more in terms of attracting UFAs — welcome to the Motor City Marian Hossa — than paying sucker money to a once-great player a decade past his prime. Works OK in Detroit, no?

Robin,

How can you say he is a decade past his prime? In last year's playoffs he had 15 points in ten games. He is only three years removed from an 123 point season. In 06/07 he had 96 points, and in 07/08 he had 71. Those numbers would put him first amongst the Oilers.

The Oilers PP has sucked for a few years, you don't think he would make it better. He'd be motivated to play with Hemsky, and Jagr loves the spotlight. Fans in Edmonton would embrace him the instant he stepped off the plane.

Hossa isn't going to be a free agent come the 1st of July, Gaborik will want too much for too long even with his injury history. Cammalleri is another small forward. Havlat might be the best option if he doesn't re-sign in Chicago.

Free agent busts are normally signed to long term deals. For a one year deal Jagr is a no-brainer, and a two-year pact might work depending on the numbers.

Jagr at 80% of his former self is still better than anything the Oilers have, or most of the UFA's. He would make Hemsky better and that might be the most important aspect of signing him.

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#41 Robin Brownlee
May 01 2009, 09:52AM
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oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:

Why stop at Yagr,lets go and sign Roenick and Lemeiux out of San Jose,lets get Chelious from Detroit.We do not need a overpriced former star here in Edmonton,we need leadership,grit and a coach that can put a system in place, that will work with the team that he has.Not a bunch of over age former stars that should have called it quits years ago.Put a winner on the ice and we wont need to chase the free agents, they will want to come and play here in Edmonton.

My INSIDE SOURCE (Miss Cleo) tells me the Oilers will target Glenn Anderson. Did you see that move during his jersey retirement ceremony? Andy's still clutch. One year at just $4 million.

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#42 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 09:53AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Archaeologuy: @ Ogden Brother: If its August and all the dust has settled and he’d take less than Horcoff’s 5.5 cap hit and its a 1 year deal and Rita McNiel is still alive and… …then matbe I’d consider it. I wouldn’t totally poo-poo this idea, but I don’t think its anywhere near a slam dunk that I’d do it. Not really plan A or B, maybe more like plan M.

Ya well plan A/B/C/D are likely pipe dreams. If he'll come without messing up the long term I'll take him.

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#43 Archaeologuy
May 01 2009, 09:54AM
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@ RossCreek: I agree, he wont be a long term solution to any problem the Oil have. So yeah, not a plan A or B, but a neat option if the stars align.

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#44 Sandra
May 01 2009, 09:56AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Tyler wrote: Not that this undermines your point that expecting Jagr to teach anyone anything is as silly as crediting Adam Oates for Shawn Horcoff and Jarret (I have no idea how to spell that; it’s as stupid name; Markkanen is easier) Stoll being good at faceoffs. That’s fair enough. I’m not big on paying guys to be “good in the room,” etc. In the case of Oates, while his on-ice performance was dismal, he really did take it upon himself to work with the young centres. I saw it first hand. And, with Oates, we were talking a $1.75 million salary, not $5-7 million.

Wasn't it MacT who said you can't teach faceoff's. Either you have it or you don't? Why wasn't Oats brought in to help Cogs, Gags, and Brodz? We have Pete Peters who .... I really don't know what he does here with thr goalies.

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#45 Peter Pan
May 01 2009, 09:58AM
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If it was me, I wouldn't sign anybody. Actually I would trade a few of the geezers they've got and properly rebuild. They've already wasted the past 3 seasons with no direction. Good draft picks were given away (see D.Penner), cap space was thrown away (see S.Horcoff), and our prospects had no home until only a year or so ago. Too many mistakes and lossed opportunities. We will not build a championship team anytime soon, so why not rebuild and go from their. The Senators suffered for years, but it paid off with great players and teams for years to come. The Bruins, Sharks, Hawks, etc did it right. The Panthers are close too after years of dispair. Why are the Oil afraid to go that route? Is it because of the mid '90's?

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#46 Robin Brownlee
May 01 2009, 10:01AM
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@ Jason Gregor: The reference to the decade past his prime was looking at him approaching 39 after next season. And yes, Jagr did put up points in more recent years, but that doesn't mean his last big year was his "prime." By 2010 he'll be five years removed from his his 123-point season and that' a long, long time in the context of a player racing toward 40 years old. He's on the decline and that decline will be more pronounced by 20-10. Bad idea.

We must disagree on this one.

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#47 RossCreek
May 01 2009, 10:05AM
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@ Ogden Brother: @ Archaeologuy: Fair enough. I've been telling buddies for the last couple years to try and get Havlat out of Chicago (probably wouldn't have been too hard prior to this season), so I'd say he's a good option. If healthy, he's dynamite. If. Curious to see what happens to him this summer. Played balls out in a contract year. Coincidence? We'll see. Think I'd take Jagr @ 5 over Kotalik @ 2.5 though.

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#48 Tim S
May 01 2009, 10:07AM
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All reports are that Jagr has been the best player on the Czech team, he had a decent season in Russia I guess and he had a good season his last with the Rangers. There is no proof that the wheels are about to fall off.

If we can get him for this summer, after missing out on a few other offensive UFA's then I would be all for adding him. Horcoff Hemsky Penner/Kotalik a first line does not make. Where there are other holes to fill finding Hemsky a running mate needs to be one of them.

Saying all that again it must be THIS summer and a 1 year deal.

All of Jagr's comments sound like a guy that would like to get out of Russia sooner rather then later, while at the same time protecting his current contract incase there is no getting out of it.

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#49 Ogden Brother
May 01 2009, 10:08AM
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RossCreek wrote:

@ Ogden Brother: @ Archaeologuy: Fair enough. I’ve been telling buddies for the last couple years to try and get Havlat out of Chicago (probably wouldn’t have been too hard prior to this season), so I’d say he’s a good option. If healthy, he’s dynamite. If. Curious to see what happens to him this summer. Played balls out in a contract year. Coincidence? We’ll see. Think I’d take Jagr @ 5 over Kotalik @ 2.5 though.

Depends, Havlat for 4 years at 5.5 per? Sure. Havlat for 8 years at 6.5 per? No thanks.

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#50 RossCreek
May 01 2009, 10:08AM
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@ RossCreek: That just shows what I think of Kotalik. Where did the superstar Jags place in KHL scoring? Surely a player like him tore that league up and ran away with 1st, right? Right?

*quickly goes to check KHL stats AFTER beaking about him*

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